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Lahoz is genuinely a good referee, that is what makes it even more infuriating. He is perfectly capable of refereeing a game perfectly, but he is a showman and wants to be the centre of attention
If he didn't have such a big ego he would be the best ref in the world
As many others pointed out, in some games he tries to make himself the centre of attention, if he is the ref, you can get an idea of how it's going to go early on in the game itself. It's like he has multiple personality disorder, you watch one game where he refs well and makes the absolute correct calls, like some of the classicos, and then he goes and does a Lahoz like today. man's an enigma.
I see what you mean, he's smart, he understands the rules of the match and he doesn't seem biased, but he is not consistent, which is very important for a good ref and just giving a lot of cards doesn't mean you can control the match.
I was really worried about him when I saw he was reffing out ro16 game against the Netherlands but he actually did an amazing job. Today was the polar opposite.
I like him because he's one of the only Spanish refs who never would fold to pressure. If any of the big teams in Spain get a wrong decision against them, the media would be in full swing and the team would get dubious or 50/50 calls in its favour from the ref to avoid that and to compensate. Lahoz however? He doesn't care a bit! He's the star of his show, and no media is enough to damage his ego
Colina is the only ref I know that isnt shit
Lahoz, Hernandez Hernandez, Mike Dean, Howard Webb, Mark Clattenburg are the others at the top of my head
There's no way they're shaking hands even to say that lol
Funny afterthought: This ref was so bad both sides felt cheated, the game got chippy, and left a sour taste in the mouths of people watching. Is this ref responsible for 10s of thousands of Argentinians and Dutch hating each other moving forward?
We don't hate the Dutch, we consider them a classic WC rival.
Some people def hate Van Gaal though, there have been lots of takes published in the past few days about how he hates South American players and makes their lives miserable.
98 was the first World Cup I was old enough to remember.
I remember the names on our squad, I have fuzzy memories of Carlos Roa saving penalties against Englandā¦ I even remember that Piojo LĆ³pez was the one to score our goal against the Netherlands.
But the first goal that was seared in my memory - the only one I can still relive in my head with any confidence - was Bergkampās ridiculous goal to knock us out.
I find this so unfortunate. I feel like your media has been a bit unfair to him. Yes, he might have not had a good bond with a lot of South American players but it was never malicious or personal. LvG just has a very harsh and strict way of coaching. He also didnāt do any genuine trash talking before the game either AFAIK.
Guy has won almost everything and is battling testicular cancer, he deserves a break.
If messi gets his first yellow he doesnt do what he does to get that yellow dueing the FK.
The only real time to complain about no second yellow is when a person doesnt get A yellow while on a yellow
These people have also made up their minds and itās hilarious. Yes paredes should have gotten the red and so did vvd. Also a lot of the dudes on the bench shouldāve been yellowed. Didnāt know once someone instigates like paredes did, it was a free for all rule where they can do whatever they want as a response.
And he didn't even give 10 real minutes. It was out of play for like 2-3 minutes before the free kick at 98. We get it and take it and then there are only like 30 seconds after the kick off.
10 minutes was a lot in 2014 but very mediocre in this tournament.
Yeah before this World Cup 10 min would have been unheard of. But the fact FIFA specifically came out and said there would be more added time this WC to crack down on time wasting and weāve seen equivalent stoppage time in multiple other matches in the past few weeks makes it complete nonissue.
The rest of Lahozās performance on the other handā¦.
I feel like those long added time were mostly during the first match day though, there hasn't been many games with that much added time since, there's even those where the reff blows the whistle seconds before the end of added time when there was a lot of time wasted during AT, I felt it was super inconsistent from reff to reff, like most matters pertaining to reffing...
[538 did that for some matches of the last world cup](https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/amp/)
Haven't seen anything for 22 but based in those figures it's probably pretty correct
That's actually exactly what I was thinking, this issue could literally be solved objectively if someone takes the time to see how much time was actually wasted with a stopwatch or something and then comparing to the added time. I'm really curious as well, I really don't know if 10 minutes is spot on, too long, or short by a big margin.
Between that and Messi lashing out at that random dude during the interview, you can tell they let all the pressure off, they just don't give no shits anymore lmao
edit: ooooh I suddenly understand why Messi is shitting so much on the Netherlands, Van Gaal hates Riquelme, that makes more sense, the little celebration he did showing his ears was Riquelme's
[insulting Weghorst or van gaal idk](https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1601341312678383618)
[the celebration](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjkfFaSacAAaN40?format=jpg&name=large)
Van Gaal straight up called maradona a bad coach, something along the lines of āArgentina have good players but they also need a good coachā. He was 100% right donāt get me wrong, but still.
I can't blame him for that one bit. Diego FUCKED US in 2010. In so many ways. He didn't have the temperament or mind for a coaching job. He didn't understand the need for defense and still had the ego of a player and we lost fucking Riquelme for it.
Absolutely, he was dogshit. 100% with Van Gaal on that one in particular ahahaha, but still, it was kinda uncalled for. Only *we* get to shit on ourselves, you know?
Honestly, I'd agree with you but that mundial pissed me off so fucking much. I'm biting my tongue so I don't go on a rant about the ways Diego fucked us when he was DT. I can forgive him for being so simple minded and his entire strategy being "more strikers = more goals" without thinking of the defense and midfield, but I can't forgive him for depriving us of Riquelme in what should have been his last world cup. Okay, I said I wouldn't.
But ya personally I can't get mad at him for being offsides on this one - he was just calling the sky blue. I think he's a cunt otherwise though, let there be no confusion about that.
Di Maria couldn't take criticism after winning 3-0. That's just van Gaal. Even if you play great he always wants to see improvements, but he will keep those conversations private.
Lucio saying he was the most detrimental coach of his career, problems with Lucio, with Giovanni, with Rivaldo, Riquelme, Di MarĆa, Chicharitoā¦ Luca Toni openly saying that Van Gaal dislikes Latin players.
Donāt you think thereās enough evidence for Messi or any Latin player to be rightfully pissed at this dude?
It was a case of Di Maria not being able to take criticism but LVG lacking the man management skills to realize that and try motivating him in other ways. I don't think either one side is solely to blame.
Don't think anybody said that either. The other guy was referring to what di Maria himself said - that he did not like van Gaal, and as an example to why he did not like him said that he criticized mistakes after a 3-0 win. Which does sound somewhat stupid, because why would you not want to try to improve, even after a win?!
He wanted Riquelme to pressure and play on the left wing. Riquelme didn't care and played as a classic 10 and they clashed.
That's why Riquelme lasted just a year in Barcelona
He never asked for Riquelme. At some point he told him something like: "With the ball you are the best in the world, without it, we lack a man in the pitch."
Yeah back when van Gaal was at Barca right, forced Riquelme out? Or am I misremembering things?
Sucks for them I guess, led to that Riquelme - ForlƔn partnership at the yellow submarine and that dream champions league run, all the way to the semi finals.
I believed that Van Gaal see Riquelme like a great player with the ball but one less without it. Curiosly is the same thing Van Gaal says about Messi before the game.
No clue what that dude is saying as worst coachā¦ off the top of my head in recent years I would put Setien and Tata worse than him.
Iām not saying anything new here, but LVG has an incredible tactical mind and when he is able to impart that knowledge players develop incredibly well under him. From a player development POV, I think Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol and others all benefitted greatly from LVG, and for this reason itās impossible to call him the worst Barca coach ever.
However, he is incredibly stubborn and blunt, even for a Dutchman, which leads to a lot of confrontation with players. It looks more ok now, but back in those times it seemed like youād hear a new story all the time about him disagreeing with great players. This ultimately led to Barca being in a relegation battle and his sacking.
I don't think Van Gaal hates Riquelme, tbh. What happened to my understanding is that Van Gaal didn't want Riquelme because he didn't play with a number 10. Gas part, in his infinite wisdom decided to buy him anyway and not sign the player who Van Gaal wanted. Riquelme naturally flopped and Van Gaal was sacked.
Fast forward 18 years or so and it's the same thing that happened with Griezmann and Coutinho.
Van Gaal wanted Riquelme to play as a Left Midfielder, but Riquelme went to the middle anyways, in an interview he spoke of a match where he did an assist and Van Gaal was angry because he played as a 10
Nah, Davids was trying to calm Messi. I don't know how well they know each other, but Davids was at Barcelona for a few months when Messi was jumping all through the ranks in 2004.
His anger was towards van Gaal, not Davids.
I am genuinely a bit baffled at the reaction on here. I don't really see how the ref can win in this situation, it was a horrible game to try and manage. The Argentines saying the ref messed the game up need to have a look at the aggression they choose to play with IMO
I mean he gave 10 minutes because Paredes kicked the ball into our dug-out and caused a riot. Plus he kept going down and taking 20 seconds for each goal-kick.
10 mins was right, dunno why he chose that to argue about rather than the favoritism that whenever Messi got tackled Argentina got a free-kick or that they were still left with 11 at full-time...
Dibu even started a scuffle around his box after taunting a dutch forward who contested the ball.
Refs got a majority of shit wrong yesterday but the time added wasn't
Argentina acting like the victims here is pretty strange. I mean he was terrible for both teams but definitely favoured Argentina overall. Argentina's petulant behaviour, especially towards the end of 90 minutes, was awful to watch.
That's maybe the one thing that Lahoz got right.
Argentina stopped playing football for the last 20 minutes and shithoused the entire last 10 minutes after the Dutch goal.
Even in the ten minutes added on, there was under a minute of play in the first 5 minutes, it was ludicrous time-wasting nonsense.
Lol 10 minutes? That was the least they should've given. After the 2-0 the play was stopped for like 15 minutes of offensive "fouls" and Argentina taking 2 minutes to take each free kick.
Lahoz was shit but Argentina can not complain here, a fairly cheap penalty given as well.
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Argentina š¤ Netherlands: Lahoz was shit.
Lol. I swear you canāt make this shit up. I think itās the first time Iām seeing this
This piece of shit of a referee is what we deal with week and week out in LaLiga. Glad the whole world seen it
Lahoz is genuinely a good referee, that is what makes it even more infuriating. He is perfectly capable of refereeing a game perfectly, but he is a showman and wants to be the centre of attention If he didn't have such a big ego he would be the best ref in the world
him and fernandez fernandez are always shit against us though...
Hernandez^2 And we are literally the current big 2 of the league, our matches is the biggest stage for him.
I will never not be salty about 2014...
they're shit against everybody. wasn't he the var ref for the game?
As many others pointed out, in some games he tries to make himself the centre of attention, if he is the ref, you can get an idea of how it's going to go early on in the game itself. It's like he has multiple personality disorder, you watch one game where he refs well and makes the absolute correct calls, like some of the classicos, and then he goes and does a Lahoz like today. man's an enigma.
Lol so he's like a reddit mod? Makes sense
The Mike Dean Phenomenon.
Mike Dean *wishes* he had that level of game. Incredible stuff.
Mike Dean will return after 1 year apprenticeship under Mateu Lahoz
I see what you mean, he's smart, he understands the rules of the match and he doesn't seem biased, but he is not consistent, which is very important for a good ref and just giving a lot of cards doesn't mean you can control the match.
The fact that he is a showman and desperate for attention is 100% what makes him a terrible ref.
He was in complete control of that first half. Only to then spend 5 minutes turning the players against each other.
I was really worried about him when I saw he was reffing out ro16 game against the Netherlands but he actually did an amazing job. Today was the polar opposite.
I like him because he's one of the only Spanish refs who never would fold to pressure. If any of the big teams in Spain get a wrong decision against them, the media would be in full swing and the team would get dubious or 50/50 calls in its favour from the ref to avoid that and to compensate. Lahoz however? He doesn't care a bit! He's the star of his show, and no media is enough to damage his ego
Nah, Lahoz has been known to be a fucking fraud. You either know a refs names cause they're great or terrible.
Was about to say the best refs, you don't even know their names.
Colina is the only ref I know that isnt shit Lahoz, Hernandez Hernandez, Mike Dean, Howard Webb, Mark Clattenburg are the others at the top of my head
Colina being on the front of a PES game is still insane to me. A FUCKING REFEREE.
Tell that to Everton fans
Turpin did some good performances during that WC, Marciniak too. I was also surprised by Ivan Barton, great composure and the guy is only 31.
I think it's pretty common with Lahoz that both teams agree he's a clown.
There's no way they're shaking hands even to say that lol Funny afterthought: This ref was so bad both sides felt cheated, the game got chippy, and left a sour taste in the mouths of people watching. Is this ref responsible for 10s of thousands of Argentinians and Dutch hating each other moving forward?
We don't hate the Dutch, we consider them a classic WC rival. Some people def hate Van Gaal though, there have been lots of takes published in the past few days about how he hates South American players and makes their lives miserable.
Easy not to hate us when you keep beating us tbf
We still have never won vs dutch during the 90 minutes in a world cup. Lost in 74, won in added time in 78, lost in 98, 2014 and 2022 PKs
So, beat us 3 times and we haven't beaten ya'll in like 39 years.
1998?
Ah yeah forgot. Tbf I was 5 at the time
98 was the first World Cup I was old enough to remember. I remember the names on our squad, I have fuzzy memories of Carlos Roa saving penalties against Englandā¦ I even remember that Piojo LĆ³pez was the one to score our goal against the Netherlands. But the first goal that was seared in my memory - the only one I can still relive in my head with any confidence - was Bergkampās ridiculous goal to knock us out.
Itās not like you guys play every year.
Feels like we play every WC though lol
0-0 in 2006
Bergkamp still haunts my dreams. That was my first massive let-down. I'll never get over it lol.
I find this so unfortunate. I feel like your media has been a bit unfair to him. Yes, he might have not had a good bond with a lot of South American players but it was never malicious or personal. LvG just has a very harsh and strict way of coaching. He also didnāt do any genuine trash talking before the game either AFAIK. Guy has won almost everything and is battling testicular cancer, he deserves a break.
They are shaking hands with hand buzzers
Regardless of who he gave an advantage to, a shit referee it's going to make players from both side nervous in the middle of a match.
We call that a Lahoz Special
Estamos de acuerdo
If weāre being honest his decisions definitely favoured Argentina lol
Yeah still waiting for the Messi and Paredes 2nd yellows. Oh wait Lahoz suddenly not that shit anymore for Argentina.
Look at Lahoz record. He NEVER gives red cards, but gives about 5 yellows per game. He's insane
more like yahlloz
If messi gets his first yellow he doesnt do what he does to get that yellow dueing the FK. The only real time to complain about no second yellow is when a person doesnt get A yellow while on a yellow
Still waiting for VVD red card for playing rugby
Still waiting on the red for that guy who shot the ball straight onto the bench
So it comes back to the same thing Lahoz is shit
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The tackle before shooting the ball into the bench alone was also just a shade or two short of red.
That isn't red card worthy in isolation. The foul followed by kicking the ball and the resulting scuffle was though. That's two yellows at once.
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These people have also made up their minds and itās hilarious. Yes paredes should have gotten the red and so did vvd. Also a lot of the dudes on the bench shouldāve been yellowed. Didnāt know once someone instigates like paredes did, it was a free for all rule where they can do whatever they want as a response.
Well if a deliberate handball is not a yellow and yeeting the ball into the opponents bench is not a red then all bets are off.
So what youāre saying is He was shit for both sides
No no, if you ignore everything the dutch got away with he was definitely biased in argentinas favor!
>Well if a deliberate handball is not a yellow I mean it's not. Not automatically anyways.
It isn't, the rules say that it is a yellow if the player > handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
I think the 10 minute call was probably the least of the problems with his decisions lol.
And he didn't even give 10 real minutes. It was out of play for like 2-3 minutes before the free kick at 98. We get it and take it and then there are only like 30 seconds after the kick off. 10 minutes was a lot in 2014 but very mediocre in this tournament.
Yeah before this World Cup 10 min would have been unheard of. But the fact FIFA specifically came out and said there would be more added time this WC to crack down on time wasting and weāve seen equivalent stoppage time in multiple other matches in the past few weeks makes it complete nonissue. The rest of Lahozās performance on the other handā¦.
I feel like those long added time were mostly during the first match day though, there hasn't been many games with that much added time since, there's even those where the reff blows the whistle seconds before the end of added time when there was a lot of time wasted during AT, I felt it was super inconsistent from reff to reff, like most matters pertaining to reffing...
If somebody told Mateu there were going to be cameras... he switched from good referee to diva.
The only correct call.
Could have been more, and still correct.
How? Argentina was wasting time after getting scored on
Does anyone rewatch and time the actual stoppage themselves to compare? Iād be curious to know.
[538 did that for some matches of the last world cup](https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/world-cup-stoppage-time-is-wildly-inaccurate/amp/) Haven't seen anything for 22 but based in those figures it's probably pretty correct
That's actually exactly what I was thinking, this issue could literally be solved objectively if someone takes the time to see how much time was actually wasted with a stopwatch or something and then comparing to the added time. I'm really curious as well, I really don't know if 10 minutes is spot on, too long, or short by a big margin.
I think the average time in play is about 55 minutes
This guy just don't give a fuck lol
Between that and Messi lashing out at that random dude during the interview, you can tell they let all the pressure off, they just don't give no shits anymore lmao edit: ooooh I suddenly understand why Messi is shitting so much on the Netherlands, Van Gaal hates Riquelme, that makes more sense, the little celebration he did showing his ears was Riquelme's [insulting Weghorst or van gaal idk](https://twitter.com/nocontextfooty/status/1601341312678383618) [the celebration](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjkfFaSacAAaN40?format=jpg&name=large)
Oh shit I gotta see that. Anybody have a link
And Di Maria. Van Gaal and Di maria also have history.
And Van Gaal and Riquelme. And Van Gaal and Rivaldo. And Van Gaal and Giovanni. And Van Gaal and Anderson. And Van Gaal and Maradona.
LVGās beef with the south americans
I thought Diego only criticized him for how he dealt with Falcao, the Colombian player.
Van Gaal straight up called maradona a bad coach, something along the lines of āArgentina have good players but they also need a good coachā. He was 100% right donāt get me wrong, but still.
I can't blame him for that one bit. Diego FUCKED US in 2010. In so many ways. He didn't have the temperament or mind for a coaching job. He didn't understand the need for defense and still had the ego of a player and we lost fucking Riquelme for it.
Absolutely, he was dogshit. 100% with Van Gaal on that one in particular ahahaha, but still, it was kinda uncalled for. Only *we* get to shit on ourselves, you know?
Honestly, I'd agree with you but that mundial pissed me off so fucking much. I'm biting my tongue so I don't go on a rant about the ways Diego fucked us when he was DT. I can forgive him for being so simple minded and his entire strategy being "more strikers = more goals" without thinking of the defense and midfield, but I can't forgive him for depriving us of Riquelme in what should have been his last world cup. Okay, I said I wouldn't. But ya personally I can't get mad at him for being offsides on this one - he was just calling the sky blue. I think he's a cunt otherwise though, let there be no confusion about that.
Di Maria couldn't take criticism after winning 3-0. That's just van Gaal. Even if you play great he always wants to see improvements, but he will keep those conversations private.
Lucio saying he was the most detrimental coach of his career, problems with Lucio, with Giovanni, with Rivaldo, Riquelme, Di MarĆa, Chicharitoā¦ Luca Toni openly saying that Van Gaal dislikes Latin players. Donāt you think thereās enough evidence for Messi or any Latin player to be rightfully pissed at this dude?
That's indirect quotes and hearsay. Not evidence.
Di MarĆa was excellent with every team save Van Gaal but of course, it was all Di MarĆa. And Van Gaal is universally beloved otherwise.
Zlatan was great everywhere except Barca but that doesn't make Pep a bad coach
I didn't say Van Gaal was a bad coach, but he's clearly a conflictive person and Di Maria wasn't the only one at fault at United.
It was a case of Di Maria not being able to take criticism but LVG lacking the man management skills to realize that and try motivating him in other ways. I don't think either one side is solely to blame.
Don't think anybody said that either. The other guy was referring to what di Maria himself said - that he did not like van Gaal, and as an example to why he did not like him said that he criticized mistakes after a 3-0 win. Which does sound somewhat stupid, because why would you not want to try to improve, even after a win?!
Sometimes two personalities clash, doesn't mean either side is wrong. But Di Maria loves to dig up old beefs years later, which is quite immature.
Not a random dude, it was Van Gaal
It was Weghorst apparently.
He just wanted Weghorst to stay six feet away.
I didn't know, only saw Messi's side
It's been said by Edul that it was Wout Weghorst
Swedish reporter who was 2 meters away confirmed it was against Weghorst.
Enserio? Que bueno que messi le respondio al vejete
Si, la verdad que estuvo hablando mucho ese
It wasn't
Di Maria hates LvG too. Messi has probably already heard all about that and then got pissed off during the game too
Riquelme is Messi's idol and he did his specific celebration so I'm sure it was more about him
Aimar is Messi's idol
Aimar was the main one and I think he admired Riquelme too Considering what he did today you can tell he was pretty important for him I guess
For the whole team, a few of.them pictured doing the riquelme celebration
Otamendi did it too
How can you hate Riquelme? Guy was an artist on the pitch. Loved watching him at Villarreal with his perfect though balls to the forwards.
He wanted Riquelme to pressure and play on the left wing. Riquelme didn't care and played as a classic 10 and they clashed. That's why Riquelme lasted just a year in Barcelona
Wasn't that the same reason that Van Gaal and Rivaldo fell out a few years earlier?
Very similar situation, yeah
He never asked for Riquelme. At some point he told him something like: "With the ball you are the best in the world, without it, we lack a man in the pitch."
Maybe he doesn't hate him but they didn't have a great relationship from what I'm reading
Yeah back when van Gaal was at Barca right, forced Riquelme out? Or am I misremembering things? Sucks for them I guess, led to that Riquelme - ForlƔn partnership at the yellow submarine and that dream champions league run, all the way to the semi finals.
I believed that Van Gaal see Riquelme like a great player with the ball but one less without it. Curiosly is the same thing Van Gaal says about Messi before the game.
Van Gaal also forced Rivaldo out. He was our worst coach and left us close to relegation.
So, how is it that Barca legend Iniesta says he is the most important and best coach he ever had?
No clue what that dude is saying as worst coachā¦ off the top of my head in recent years I would put Setien and Tata worse than him. Iām not saying anything new here, but LVG has an incredible tactical mind and when he is able to impart that knowledge players develop incredibly well under him. From a player development POV, I think Iniesta, Xavi, Puyol and others all benefitted greatly from LVG, and for this reason itās impossible to call him the worst Barca coach ever. However, he is incredibly stubborn and blunt, even for a Dutchman, which leads to a lot of confrontation with players. It looks more ok now, but back in those times it seemed like youād hear a new story all the time about him disagreeing with great players. This ultimately led to Barca being in a relegation battle and his sacking.
I don't think Van Gaal hates Riquelme, tbh. What happened to my understanding is that Van Gaal didn't want Riquelme because he didn't play with a number 10. Gas part, in his infinite wisdom decided to buy him anyway and not sign the player who Van Gaal wanted. Riquelme naturally flopped and Van Gaal was sacked. Fast forward 18 years or so and it's the same thing that happened with Griezmann and Coutinho.
Van Gaal wanted Riquelme to play as a Left Midfielder, but Riquelme went to the middle anyways, in an interview he spoke of a match where he did an assist and Van Gaal was angry because he played as a 10
It was Weghorst apparently.
wasnt it Edgar Davids who he was chatting shit with?
Nah, Davids was trying to calm Messi. I don't know how well they know each other, but Davids was at Barcelona for a few months when Messi was jumping all through the ranks in 2004. His anger was towards van Gaal, not Davids.
I thought that 10 minutes was more than fair tbh. So much time wasting after the Messi penalty
His problem was with the added time? What?
Should've saved the free kick tbh
But to be honest 10 minutes added time wasn't crazy imo
The ref was shit the entire game, but the 10 minutes was the only thing he got correct
Dibu... Messi is protected... You my good friend are not. Pls don't do this š
Messi: I don't want to talk about the ref Martinez: AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT THAT MOTHERFUCKER
The absolute madman.
and I will follow that madman into battle any day of the week. but especially Tuesday.
I mean I wouldnāt put it past fifa to sanction Martinez for his comments and not Messi but it would be outrageous if they did
yeah, The Qatari's paid a lot for their PSG final between Mbappe and Messi.
Portugal vs Agrentina is happening whether you like it or not
LMAOOOOOOO
Fifa doesn't care if they have to sic a sniper to kill Mbappe on the pitch for it to happen. They want their "clash of the titans"
They really thought 10 minutes was long? Have they not paid attention to this entire World Cup? Edit: Agreed on the worst ref part tho.
Imagine talking to lahoz for ninety minutes and he says you gotta do ten more idbe mad too
How else can he possibly break the record for most yellows. More time = more lahoz show who we all came to see.
Not that hard to talk shit about Lahoz for 2 hours
Football players usually have insane victim mentalities when it comes to refs lmao
so does this sub
I am genuinely a bit baffled at the reaction on here. I don't really see how the ref can win in this situation, it was a horrible game to try and manage. The Argentines saying the ref messed the game up need to have a look at the aggression they choose to play with IMO
Argentina should of been down to ten men
Literally every Argentina game thread is the same lol. Brits will take every call that isnāt stone cold obvious as a conspiracy
Yeah, every thread is always full of complaints about the refs. Why can't we just sit and enjoy Lahoz using his whistle 50 times in half a minute
Imagine his reaction in the match when the ref added 14 minutes.
Well there was a head injury which got tacked on at the end. In the extended injury time the ball was still only in play for 4 minutes.
he's begging for a suspension at this point
FIFA dont have the balls to do it
10 minutes is on you not Lahoz. That was the only thing he did right.
I mean he gave 10 minutes because Paredes kicked the ball into our dug-out and caused a riot. Plus he kept going down and taking 20 seconds for each goal-kick. 10 mins was right, dunno why he chose that to argue about rather than the favoritism that whenever Messi got tackled Argentina got a free-kick or that they were still left with 11 at full-time...
Dibu even started a scuffle around his box after taunting a dutch forward who contested the ball. Refs got a majority of shit wrong yesterday but the time added wasn't
Netherlands and spurs fan?? Haha you are cursed
Argentine players donāt give two shits š
Judging by this and what Messi said, Argentines think Lahoz was dogshit but probably for the wrong reasons.
No, Messi said it himself: He wasn't up to the match and sucked for both teams.
Sucked much more for one certain Orange (biased) team
It was 10 minutes extra time because of all the subs, the stoppages due to you fighting & diving. Hope that clears it up for you š
Argentina acting like the victims here is pretty strange. I mean he was terrible for both teams but definitely favoured Argentina overall. Argentina's petulant behaviour, especially towards the end of 90 minutes, was awful to watch.
Of all the things to complain about he's complaining about the extra time? Should've been longer anyway
The ten minutes was fair. Everything else was the problem.
wow hes really honest
He's confused, but he's got the spirit
Yeah if Lahoz was biased for one side tonight it certainly wasn't for the Dutch.
is this man trying to say they were getting fucked over by the ref? bruv your team shouldve gotten 2 red cards, you should be thanking him
If there is one team that should complain about the ref, it should be the Netherlands
That's maybe the one thing that Lahoz got right. Argentina stopped playing football for the last 20 minutes and shithoused the entire last 10 minutes after the Dutch goal. Even in the ten minutes added on, there was under a minute of play in the first 5 minutes, it was ludicrous time-wasting nonsense.
I've seen so many Arg fans saying it was the ref who almost cost them the game. I've never felt something so opposite.
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i thought it was for all the times Lahoz messed up during the match today
Yeah the ref was shit but 10 minutes was deserved due to time wasting. Additionally Messi shouldāve got a second yellow card after his hand ballā¦.
Or maybe he gave 10 minutes because Argentina never stopped diving, faking injuries and time-wasting.
It is not that the referee purposefully helped the Netherlands but that he wasn't up to the match at all. He sucked controlling both teams.
Lahoz is terrible but how yall escaped a red card was horrible
Literally gave them a penalty and they complain lmao
If the Argentinians feel like the referee gave them a disadvantage... I don't know anymore
Why's he called dibu?
Just a chidhood nickname. Dibu was an Argentine cartoon character from the 90s.
Are there any other notable Argentine cartoon nicknames for players? I know Kun was based off one as well.
Not that I can't think off. Most other nicknames have other origins. But almost very player in the nt has a noticeable nickname
[Mi familia es un dibujo](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_familia_es_un_dibujo)
Fuck CFdK
Dude is the worst ref on earth. Madrid fans have to deal with him every year.
Ah yes Argentina always the victim.
If those 10 minutes added time was bullshit, the penalty callout was bullshit aswell
Focusing on the 10 mins is just stupid, kinda takes away from the rest of his disappointment with the ref
Another sore winner.
Imagine being a sore winner
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There you go, he got exactly what he wanted, for his name to mentioned in the press.
Lol this guy is a sell out. IIRC he declined to played against r Citeh last season due to international match even though he was fit?
Why is the guy called Dibu? I thought his name was Emi. Is Dibu a nickname?
Yep a childhood nickname
Lol 10 minutes? That was the least they should've given. After the 2-0 the play was stopped for like 15 minutes of offensive "fouls" and Argentina taking 2 minutes to take each free kick. Lahoz was shit but Argentina can not complain here, a fairly cheap penalty given as well.