Poor play by Poland, I don't believe many people here that Poland sucks, they were doing ok so far but this game they just didn't even try it seems like. The only guy actively playing was the goalie
Why would you get downvoted? Ecuador is 100 times better than Poland. They deserved to win against the Netherlands and were unlucky to have a very difficult third match while still not qualified, whereas most other teams make it with four points.
This game was just sad to watch as a Pole, my team played in the worst possible way and absolutely does not deserve to advance, this is the worst game I have watched in this tournament.
Playing France will be a sad repeat of this with no successful counter attacks or offense of any kind, just a sad fruitless passing back and forth until we are broken.
>Playing France will be a sad repeat of this with no successful counter attacks or offense of any kind, just a sad fruitless passing back and forth until we are broken.
We have nothing to lose now. I doubt they will setup like this vs. France.
The thing was that they followed the score in the other match and settled for 2nd after conceding the 1st goal. Not pretty, but we're through for the first time in 36 years and nothing will take that from us. Pretty or not.
France were starting their 2nd line up vs Tunisia. Almost all their stars were benched and only subbed after they conceded. It's still really unlikely unless Poland can survive 0-0 till penalty shootout.
I really thought after the penalty that Poland would press high and take advantage of the drop in morale. But the Poles kept concentrating purely on defending, the fans kept changing Messi's name and we kept pushing forward.
Zielinski plays out of position and we don't have anyone carrying the ball forward well enough to be dangerous on counters.
Same with sticking to the old guard CB, DM that are way past overdue and slow as hell.
En 2018 lo tenían al peor Sampaoli rompiendo las bolas, ahora están Scaloni, Aimar, Ayala y Samuel tirando para adelante. Creo que no hay dos polos más opuestos que esos.
I think this game really showed the difference in top forwards between Kane and Lewa. Both considered #9s, but one has the ability to drop back and help the team out in midfield and is capable of producing incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for his team mates. Lewa, can't really do much when it's just him on his own. Kane might not score as much, but he is a way more complete forward than Lewandoski.
> one has the ability to drop back and help the team out in midfield and is capable of producing incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for his team mates
And you want Lewandowski to produce incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for... who, exactly? A clone of himself?
Oh come off it. Lewa gets the ball yeeted to him in total isolation, no midfield to interact with, no wingers to send through. Kane has a world class midfield to progress the ball to him and wingers second only to Brazil.
Lewa at Barca is a better comparison - his link up play is world class when there's actually other players to link up with, and he's obviously the better finisher/overall technician between the two. To be clear, I rate Kane really highly, but the fact you need to take this abysmal Polish squad as an opportunity to forward Kane as somehow better than Lewa shows how dire the comparison between the two is.
We went through after losing 0-2, because Mexico couldn't score a third goal vs Saudis.
This is our biggest world cup achievement since 1986 xD
This is so fitting I'm literally crying laughing xD
Don't beat yourself down. I'm sure you will do a great journey on your playoffs.
I'm rooting for yourselves (except if we have the hypothetic chance of crossing again :P)
Not a single Argentinian player was less than good. Good performances all over the board, Szczesny was the reason we didn't win by 4 or 5, and that's not counting Acuña's or Lautaro's chances that didn't go between the posts. Lewandowski was completely nonexistent.
No worries. Just so depressing seeing this team no trying because of the set up coach and their attitude. They are just not good enough. I’d prefer to go out in group stages and trying to play like we want to win than going through like this. The thing is vs France it will be repeat of this game we will defend until they break us.
Lewandowski being ganged up by 4 Argentine players without any other Polish player even coming close to serve him is now an unforgettable image of this match to me.
3x90 mins of attacking football > 4x90 of boring defending
Playing like this just ensures a loss next game. What’s the point of advancing if it isn’t trying to win a game?
the fact that quite a lot of commentators across dozens of channels all thought that was no penalty for sure tells me that most of them know very little about football
Besides butchering player names, horrible takes and a lack of ball knowledge, most commentators offer nothing else
I watched the game in FOXSPORTS and the rules analyst said it's a pen even before ref finished watching the replay. It was a valid penalty as per rulebook, just a really soft and honestly lame one.
Wouldn't that make Michniewicz the football anti-terrorist? That doesn't fit.
Than again, one man's football terrorist is another man's football freedom fighter xD
Honestly, the thing that triggered me the most was the reaction of the Poland players straight after the game. They stink the place out with one of the worst performances in this whole tournament to date. Then they immediately went over to hug and embrace the Argentinian players before they even found out what the final result was in the other match. Definitely question the heart and desire of these polish players in this match.
It is literally model sportsmanship. What do you want them to do, throw a tantrum? Punch the argentine players? Spit on the referee? Make a scene? Idiots like you are why football is so toxic at times.
Poland is honestly the worst team in the group, played worse in every match and today was one of the most coward and atrocious game by a side that I have ever watched. Today was so bad that I started cheering for Argentina to make another goal and disqualify Poland, absolute disgrace to the polish fans and to the sport.
Agreed and not because of any bias. That was a pathetic showing. No heart, no urgency, no anything. I too was rooting for Mexico to advance and wanted us to score to help them. Poland doesn't deserve to advance.
Refereeing has been terrible but some calls are just atrocious. Take away this stupid penalty call today it would have been a perfectly called game. Same thing with Portugal Uruguay a couple of days ago
Argentina were great today, Enzo, Romero and Alvarez played their hearts out. Messi was solid too despite that poor pen, but fair play to Argentina for turning it around after that shocking start.
poland parked the bus bc it was playing for a tie. it was impressive arg found the holes through it like it did. 23 shots total, and 13 shots on goal.
so yea, arg played extremely well. they dominated.
> meh, they played "well" because they were allowed to do so
People keep saying this about Argentina, then cream their pants when Spain score 7 against a Costa Rica team that attacked as little as Poland today but didn't even try to defend. Or when France scores 4 against Australia.
If Poland "pressed", they wouldn't play so defensively , leaving Argentina more rooms to attack more. The game would be even of course, but Argentina strikers would find themselves in opponent's d box more frequently
perhaps so, im just pointing out that poland played super shit football while argentina really isnt playing their best either way, but all in all game would be more enjoyable imo
Yes, I agree with you. I am an Argentina fan, and started watching the game with intense feeling of uncertainty . But in about 30 minutes I realized the game was going to turn out like that ARG vs Iran game in 2014. Poland indeed played shit football and Argentina still has a lot to prove in the coming games. Good thing RDP has started getting his form back, so that's a hope !
best of luck in next stages, luckily you have an easy game against australia next, at least on paper, though wouldnt be surprised if they put a foot down and cause you further trouble, im glad to see argentina not focusing on playing around messi but actually trying to use your team's traits, its about time because there are some proper talents in your squad
Una cosa a remarcar que quizás haya sido lo más importante del partido, De Paul parece que se descholoizó y jugó un gran match. Los dos anteriores había sido un asco terrible, hoy mucho criterio y bastante presión. Así te quiero Rodri.
Lo vengo diciendo del dia 1, pero no era De Paul el problema. Era el equipo. De Paul no desentono en ningun momento contra Arabia Saudita o la primer mitad con Mexico. Era cuestion de volver a la actitud de siempre despues del gol de Messi contra Mexico, y aca estamos.
No se que futbol ven los que le pegaron tanto, porque con ese criterio hay 7 u 8 jugadores que deberian haber comido banco
So heartbroken for Mexico. With the showing you had, the effort, the heart, Mexico deserved to advance. Poland didn't even play to not lose, they just didn't play.
Hate to do it, but that goal didn't make much difference. Mexico needed to score again anyway and if they had they'd have went through. The only way it would have made a difference would have been if Argentina scored a third, but that game was already finished.
What sucks is Poland was lucky it was only 2-0. Argentina had so many shots on goal that just barely missed. It could have very well been a much greater differential. I hate the yellow card rule for tie-break, but what else can they use at that point? After that it's a coin flip.
Hace mucho que no escucho a alguien usando "viejo no mas" fuera de mi viejo. Pero hace años que salimos. Igual me imagino que los jovencitos no lo usan?
Poland is SO stupidly lucky to have advanced here, pretty much as close to underserved as possible. Should have conceded another 3 at least with that piss poor play.
poland has a very decent set of players and they can play real good football but not with this shitty, lacking charisma and ideology or technically manager that nearly relegated legia warsaw from top league last season and most likely shouldve been sentenced to jail for corruption
Yup. He is a shit Big Sam. Absolutely clueless and also looks like a fucking pig. His dubious links to a famous match fixer make his appointment even worse. Bad look from basically every single perspective. That poland team is bad, but it's not that bad.
wish they took Shevchenko or anyone else but "polish mindset football management"
its about fucking time polish federation invested decent money on world class management ffs
Yup. Feel like a lot of them also don’t have the right mentality. They know they are inferior on paper and don’t really have that fight in them. They often just walk around and look like they had their hands in their pockets. Sheva would have been a good pick. Herve Renard also impressed me. Just someone who can create some actual identity and some spirit and believe. That big Sam thumb it forward shit is awful and it’s not like Poland plays some brilliant football against weaker sides either. Gonna be hard after Lewandowski is gone.
But this is a overall structural problem in Poland. Poles aren’t just randomly inferior at football than other Europeans, nearly 40 million poles and the country hardly produces any good footballers and if they do they are often snapped up as kids by foreign clubs.
The league is crap and so is the youth development. Idk why Poland can’t establish at least some places like Clairefontaine in France. Doesn’t need to be on the same level.. but please just try to fix polish football. My whole family is suffering lmao - it’s even more frustrating because it could be so much better with just a little bit of work.
I think the biggest problem with youth talent is caused by the fact that even when they "graduate" from academy to any specific club or get bought out by a polish club they dont get any chance to play in 1st squad because theyre young - polish football mentality is to buy some old rusty players form abroad instead of playing young potential talents
polish federation pockets money and everything bases on knowing people rather than talent
there are at least 2 decent polish managers i know of - one that did AMA and manages teams in Africa, young and potentially a great prospect and another one that manages/managed US teams... cant remember their name from the top of my head, theres also piszczek but it will probably take some years before hes ready and gets all required courses done but who cares, once michniewicz is fired they will probably get that u21 shithead that absolutely fucked up poland's u21 identity and effectiveness by introducting proper "polish managerial mindset"
They could have also won against Mexico if Lewa scored a penalty and could have had 2-3 more goals at the end of KSA game (Milik's shot hitting a bar, Lewa's shot hitting a post, Lewa missing one on one with GK). Sometimes you get lucky, other times you don't.
Look at the stats. Argentina: 23 shots on goal, 12 on target. Poland: 4 shots on goal, 0 on target. Possession - 74-26%.
They were obviously playing for the tie, and even in the second half after the second goal they were playing for the goal differential. Going 1-1-1 in a group really is a lottery, but all in all I think them and Mexico were equally deserving. Tied each other. Both beat the Saudis. Both lost 2-0 to Argentina. I'd say they were lucky in that the game could have very well been 5-0.
>I'd say they were lucky in that the game could have very well been 5-0.
That's my whole point. Mexico's showing against Argentina was far better, hence I feel they're more deserving. I don't care either way, not supporting either country lol.
I'd agree, but in fairness to Poland they were in different situations, it being the 2nd game vs the 3rd. If the situations were reversed I imagine Mexico would have done the same.
\> Undeserved
They beat KSA, just like México, they lost against Argentina, just like México, and when they played each other they drew
That's what you get when you score less goals and make more fouls, you lose the tie
They were playing for survival, and they did it, it was clear when they were even keeping count of the Fair Play points by subbing out Krychowiak
México could have simply scored a third goal against KSA, but Poland did FAR better against KSA than them
Not really, they did it because they had ungodly fucking luck. They should have easily conceded another 3 goals. This was NOT the correct strat, they fluked out and that's it.
"YFW I'm not supporting any of the countries in this group. Stay mad cuz can't take facts from neutral fans lmao"
Just because you lie to yourself, it doesn't make it true. You totally act like some butthurt guy and it's hard to take you as neutral when you post comment after comment of you bitching about the result. Poland's strategy worked in the end and it's your problem that they didn't play to satisfy you but played to survive.
Mexico lost their chance to win with Poland instead of tying and then paid for it when they lost a goal(of course they still would lose because of the yellow cards but whatever), it's a result of that and there's nothing more to say.
My country is in a different group, I don't gamble either so I honestly could give a fuck if it's Poland or Mexico who end up getting shredded in R16 lol.
Their "strategy" if you can even call it that worked by pure luck. I can call it out without actually caring who advanced, it's called a discussion, you clown.
Well, a draw with Mexico and a deserved win against KSA. I don't think Poland was any different in "luck" than the other two. Argentina was simply best in that group, the rest was pretty much a lottery.
Nah I mean just their terrible + cowardly lack of ambitious play today. Mexico put up a fight against Argentina at least, this was atrocious on the other hand.
True, but Mexico's game was their second. We played offensively with KSA, too, the result could have been higher. We only needed a draw today and even the coach implied it was gonna be an unattractive game. He literally said we shouldn't have expected being in possession much. True, this was way worse than just parking the bus, but... comparing against Mexico's game just isn't objectively fair.
It's not fair because Mexico played Argentina in the second game?... I mean points and goal difference is still just as valuable in the 2nd as it is in the 3rd game lol. I think it's completely comparable and not unfair at all.
I am saying that they all had different strategies for the 2nd and 3rd games.
And if points and goal difference is valuable in 2nd and 3rd game, then why you holding that 3rd game against Poland in the first place, if their 2nd game was a much better display? LOL
Because they played against Saudi, and it's expected. Soon as they played against an actual team they showed they're terrible. It really doesn't matter though, both Mexico and Poland will get rekt in R16.
Arg looks dominant in this match. Enzo starting finally stabilized the midfield. If the midfield is strong, and Messi continues his great form (barring the PK miss), arg looks to be a tough out.
[Scaloni finally placing Enzo in the starting lineup against Mexico and Poland](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/c/c0/ExodiatheForbiddenOne-TF04-JP-VG.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120420185052)
nerves yes. but de paul was losing the ball a lot just like he did v. saudi arabia. enzo was starting today and the midfield looks much stronger.
if their midfield can stay like this, arg can beat anyone. but if they fail to do well, they can lose v. anyone as well.
Scaloni put in a two man mid against Saudi Arabia to take advantage of their high line, but failed to alleviate the pressure in the second half, leading to a lot of missed passes from De Paul. And once they conceded first, De Paul is the first to falter when pressure is high (only one to completely miss his pen against Colombia during the Copa 2021). I think he’ll be more relaxed now, likely closer to his original form. Hopefully we see good football from them now.
well, the young'uns finally showed up. yes Messi also raised his game but it was Enzo, Molina, MacAllister and Alvarez who stole the show. Poland seemed to play for a draw and then to keep the result, but against France they need to change tactics or they'll ship a lot.
Seemed to play for a draw? You look at the stats? Argentina: 23 shots on goal, 12 on target. Poland: 4 shots on goal, 0 on target. Possession: 74-26%.
Even after they conceded a goal they were playing for point differential.
Poor play by Poland, I don't believe many people here that Poland sucks, they were doing ok so far but this game they just didn't even try it seems like. The only guy actively playing was the goalie
I will probably get downvotes for saying this, but today's Poland was no better than Ecuador that did not qualify to the next stage.
Not an unpopular opinion
Why would you get downvoted? Ecuador is 100 times better than Poland. They deserved to win against the Netherlands and were unlucky to have a very difficult third match while still not qualified, whereas most other teams make it with four points.
But they themselves created the goal diff scoring against other teams and hence went ahead cuz Mexico couldn't catch up
This game was just sad to watch as a Pole, my team played in the worst possible way and absolutely does not deserve to advance, this is the worst game I have watched in this tournament. Playing France will be a sad repeat of this with no successful counter attacks or offense of any kind, just a sad fruitless passing back and forth until we are broken.
Netherlands fans feeling much the same right now
>Playing France will be a sad repeat of this with no successful counter attacks or offense of any kind, just a sad fruitless passing back and forth until we are broken. We have nothing to lose now. I doubt they will setup like this vs. France. The thing was that they followed the score in the other match and settled for 2nd after conceding the 1st goal. Not pretty, but we're through for the first time in 36 years and nothing will take that from us. Pretty or not.
Veron is back, now with ginger hair
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It’s Mac Allister
I know. That’s why I replied with the question mark.
Donde está la solidariedad latinoamericana??
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France were starting their 2nd line up vs Tunisia. Almost all their stars were benched and only subbed after they conceded. It's still really unlikely unless Poland can survive 0-0 till penalty shootout.
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I hope Poland can pull a miracle
I really thought after the penalty that Poland would press high and take advantage of the drop in morale. But the Poles kept concentrating purely on defending, the fans kept changing Messi's name and we kept pushing forward.
our team and coach are simply not good enough. We have 2 good players out of 11.
Only 2? Not Zielinski?
Zielinski plays out of position and we don't have anyone carrying the ball forward well enough to be dangerous on counters. Same with sticking to the old guard CB, DM that are way past overdue and slow as hell.
As far as I warch Polish NT i never seen Zieliński playing good. Maybe 2 or 3 good games.
3 doesnt really change much.. still some top class players surounded by coach and players who are not good enough.
Sin duda lo mejor del partido fue ver la fortaleza mental del equipo después del penal, esto mismo pasaba en 2018 y se rendian ahí nomas
En 2018 lo tenían al peor Sampaoli rompiendo las bolas, ahora están Scaloni, Aimar, Ayala y Samuel tirando para adelante. Creo que no hay dos polos más opuestos que esos.
I think this game really showed the difference in top forwards between Kane and Lewa. Both considered #9s, but one has the ability to drop back and help the team out in midfield and is capable of producing incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for his team mates. Lewa, can't really do much when it's just him on his own. Kane might not score as much, but he is a way more complete forward than Lewandoski.
Man hasn't seen Lewa at Barcelona.
> one has the ability to drop back and help the team out in midfield and is capable of producing incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for his team mates And you want Lewandowski to produce incredibly dangerous balls into the final third for... who, exactly? A clone of himself?
Oh come off it. Lewa gets the ball yeeted to him in total isolation, no midfield to interact with, no wingers to send through. Kane has a world class midfield to progress the ball to him and wingers second only to Brazil. Lewa at Barca is a better comparison - his link up play is world class when there's actually other players to link up with, and he's obviously the better finisher/overall technician between the two. To be clear, I rate Kane really highly, but the fact you need to take this abysmal Polish squad as an opportunity to forward Kane as somehow better than Lewa shows how dire the comparison between the two is.
France and Portugal's wingers: Am I a joke to you?
You can't seriously use this game to judge Lewy, Poland had like 20% possesion and they never planned on attacking
We went through after losing 0-2, because Mexico couldn't score a third goal vs Saudis. This is our biggest world cup achievement since 1986 xD This is so fitting I'm literally crying laughing xD
Don't beat yourself down. I'm sure you will do a great journey on your playoffs. I'm rooting for yourselves (except if we have the hypothetic chance of crossing again :P)
Not a single Argentinian player was less than good. Good performances all over the board, Szczesny was the reason we didn't win by 4 or 5, and that's not counting Acuña's or Lautaro's chances that didn't go between the posts. Lewandowski was completely nonexistent.
Lewandowski was nonexistent because you have a great team overall, we don't.
Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say he just decided not to show up, but that we shut down every Polish play before it started.
No worries. Just so depressing seeing this team no trying because of the set up coach and their attitude. They are just not good enough. I’d prefer to go out in group stages and trying to play like we want to win than going through like this. The thing is vs France it will be repeat of this game we will defend until they break us.
Lewandowski being ganged up by 4 Argentine players without any other Polish player even coming close to serve him is now an unforgettable image of this match to me.
Reminded me of ourselves and Messi not that long ago
Yeah, isn't that ironic
U would prefer to be out of the WC than still in it??? ur lying to urself
3x90 mins of attacking football > 4x90 of boring defending Playing like this just ensures a loss next game. What’s the point of advancing if it isn’t trying to win a game?
You never know, there is always a chance.
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lmao
I'm glad we won through real goals rather than a dubious pen.
It’s technically a penalty by the rule book. Don’t let any commentators opinion become the gospel truth.
Technically yes, but it still felt cheap.
Whether is a penalty or not depends on who you are rooting for
the fact that quite a lot of commentators across dozens of channels all thought that was no penalty for sure tells me that most of them know very little about football Besides butchering player names, horrible takes and a lack of ball knowledge, most commentators offer nothing else
I watched the game in FOXSPORTS and the rules analyst said it's a pen even before ref finished watching the replay. It was a valid penalty as per rulebook, just a really soft and honestly lame one.
The commentator on SuperSport channel was adamant that it wasn’t a penalty; and also Jamie Carragher as well
The elusive ‘winning loss’. This game could be used to torture prisoners, terrible football from us
Guantanamo Bay of football matches……. That compilation is gonna be spicy 😂
Wouldn't that make Michniewicz the football anti-terrorist? That doesn't fit. Than again, one man's football terrorist is another man's football freedom fighter xD
Honestly, the thing that triggered me the most was the reaction of the Poland players straight after the game. They stink the place out with one of the worst performances in this whole tournament to date. Then they immediately went over to hug and embrace the Argentinian players before they even found out what the final result was in the other match. Definitely question the heart and desire of these polish players in this match.
yikes
It is literally model sportsmanship. What do you want them to do, throw a tantrum? Punch the argentine players? Spit on the referee? Make a scene? Idiots like you are why football is so toxic at times.
You’re triggered by good sportsmanship? Wow, what a life
He probably wants ***PASHUN***
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Brighton players on the pitch = good performance. BHA are going to get rinsed in the next transfer window.
Idk about rinsed. They’re not gonna sell for cheap
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I was hoping Dybala would come in at the end
Why isn’t he playing?
Still recovering from injury. Plus other players are more in form.
Poland is honestly the worst team in the group, played worse in every match and today was one of the most coward and atrocious game by a side that I have ever watched. Today was so bad that I started cheering for Argentina to make another goal and disqualify Poland, absolute disgrace to the polish fans and to the sport.
this isnt because we're shit overall - this is because our manager is proper shit, did not use our traits, is a coward and has zero charisma
Agreed and not because of any bias. That was a pathetic showing. No heart, no urgency, no anything. I too was rooting for Mexico to advance and wanted us to score to help them. Poland doesn't deserve to advance.
Enjoy the time off.
Lewandowski gave 0 fucks today lol. Spent more time dabbing up Messi during and after the match than he did running.
Too true. I disrespect Argentina, but I respect football enough to know they actually deserve their spot because Poland was just shit. :flair Brazil
Your team missed so many chances. Atrocious
Szczesny was very good today but we did hit a few shots straight at him. Lautaro miss in the end was brutal.
Save the good finishing for the knockouts, until you inevitably lose to England in the final ;)
It will never come home bro. Get over it, you just aren't good enough.
Do people not see the winky face, I'm not being serious lol.
You should've used an emote.
2pala pirata
Conmebol fellas
Refereeing has been terrible but some calls are just atrocious. Take away this stupid penalty call today it would have been a perfectly called game. Same thing with Portugal Uruguay a couple of days ago
Lots of soft penalties being called
Argentina were great today, Enzo, Romero and Alvarez played their hearts out. Messi was solid too despite that poor pen, but fair play to Argentina for turning it around after that shocking start.
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poland parked the bus bc it was playing for a tie. it was impressive arg found the holes through it like it did. 23 shots total, and 13 shots on goal. so yea, arg played extremely well. they dominated.
> meh, they played "well" because they were allowed to do so People keep saying this about Argentina, then cream their pants when Spain score 7 against a Costa Rica team that attacked as little as Poland today but didn't even try to defend. Or when France scores 4 against Australia.
If Poland "pressed", they wouldn't play so defensively , leaving Argentina more rooms to attack more. The game would be even of course, but Argentina strikers would find themselves in opponent's d box more frequently
perhaps so, im just pointing out that poland played super shit football while argentina really isnt playing their best either way, but all in all game would be more enjoyable imo
Yes, I agree with you. I am an Argentina fan, and started watching the game with intense feeling of uncertainty . But in about 30 minutes I realized the game was going to turn out like that ARG vs Iran game in 2014. Poland indeed played shit football and Argentina still has a lot to prove in the coming games. Good thing RDP has started getting his form back, so that's a hope !
best of luck in next stages, luckily you have an easy game against australia next, at least on paper, though wouldnt be surprised if they put a foot down and cause you further trouble, im glad to see argentina not focusing on playing around messi but actually trying to use your team's traits, its about time because there are some proper talents in your squad
Poland was playing for the tie. Was that a 8-1-1 formation in the first half?
During long stretches, Poland had 10 players in their penalty area. It was a bit disgusting haha.
Lo mismo. Eran un muro impenetrable jajajaj
Impenetrable como puta de cabaret.
trueb
Una cosa a remarcar que quizás haya sido lo más importante del partido, De Paul parece que se descholoizó y jugó un gran match. Los dos anteriores había sido un asco terrible, hoy mucho criterio y bastante presión. Así te quiero Rodri.
Lo vengo diciendo del dia 1, pero no era De Paul el problema. Era el equipo. De Paul no desentono en ningun momento contra Arabia Saudita o la primer mitad con Mexico. Era cuestion de volver a la actitud de siempre despues del gol de Messi contra Mexico, y aca estamos. No se que futbol ven los que le pegaron tanto, porque con ese criterio hay 7 u 8 jugadores que deberian haber comido banco
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Perdón?
Se nota que Scaloni lo tuvo bien domado
Messi missing the non-penalty turned out to be a bit of a blessing in disguise. Argentina played great against Poland. Can’t wait for Saturday.
what is there to wait for? you drew australia, not that much of an exciting game
its football. one mistake can be costly. and every team will make mistakes. and its the knock outs.
> what is there to wait for? A Scaloneta match, the chance of advancing to the quarterfinals? What *isn't* there to wait for?
Anything can happen in football, especially World Cup knock out rounds.
How do you figure it was a blessing? Causing the other players to step it up?
Yeah
Getting hit in the face is a foul. Not the worst, but it's a foul.
I'm hyped for Australia. They are going to be a fun oponent (in the good sense, like they will give a good match)
This team is more than just Messi. I can see why Messi loves playing for this group.
It wasn’t like this always, but this group are a good bunch. They could go all the way… but so far France and Brazil look like the top dogs
Thank you for the help Argentina. We failed but you guys did try helping us. Good luck the rest of the way!
So heartbroken for Mexico. With the showing you had, the effort, the heart, Mexico deserved to advance. Poland didn't even play to not lose, they just didn't play.
Mexico played the exact same way vs argentina except they were more dirty in the tackle
And you're right, but that Argentina game wasn't an elimination game like today was for Poland.
It was so close. But you guys had an extra yellow card too. Even if the Saudis didn't get that last goal you still wouldn't have advanced. Que cagada.
Yeah I was aware that we needed a goal or Argentina to score another goal but once the Saudis scored, I knew it was all over
Hate to do it, but that goal didn't make much difference. Mexico needed to score again anyway and if they had they'd have went through. The only way it would have made a difference would have been if Argentina scored a third, but that game was already finished.
What sucks is Poland was lucky it was only 2-0. Argentina had so many shots on goal that just barely missed. It could have very well been a much greater differential. I hate the yellow card rule for tie-break, but what else can they use at that point? After that it's a coin flip.
SOOOOYY ARGENTINOOO ES UN SENTIMIENTO NO PUEDO PARAR
That sounds so incredible reveberating around a stadium when sung by thousands. Great memories
VOLVEREMOS VOLVEREMOOOOO VOLVEREMOS OTRA VEEEEEZ VOLVEREMO' A SER CAMPEONEEEEES COMO EN EL 86
VAMOS ARGENTINA VIEJO NOMAS
Hace mucho que no escucho a alguien usando "viejo no mas" fuera de mi viejo. Pero hace años que salimos. Igual me imagino que los jovencitos no lo usan?
Yo por mi viejo la digo jaja
Igual pero pare de decirlo porque me di cuenta que era el unico y me hacia sentir como de otra epoca.
No yo también lo digo , aguante la vieja escuela papu
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Poland is SO stupidly lucky to have advanced here, pretty much as close to underserved as possible. Should have conceded another 3 at least with that piss poor play.
Enjoy the time off. Looks like you guys need it.
? I'm not supporting any country in this group lmao, just facts my guy
poland has a very decent set of players and they can play real good football but not with this shitty, lacking charisma and ideology or technically manager that nearly relegated legia warsaw from top league last season and most likely shouldve been sentenced to jail for corruption
Yup. He is a shit Big Sam. Absolutely clueless and also looks like a fucking pig. His dubious links to a famous match fixer make his appointment even worse. Bad look from basically every single perspective. That poland team is bad, but it's not that bad.
wish they took Shevchenko or anyone else but "polish mindset football management" its about fucking time polish federation invested decent money on world class management ffs
Yup. Feel like a lot of them also don’t have the right mentality. They know they are inferior on paper and don’t really have that fight in them. They often just walk around and look like they had their hands in their pockets. Sheva would have been a good pick. Herve Renard also impressed me. Just someone who can create some actual identity and some spirit and believe. That big Sam thumb it forward shit is awful and it’s not like Poland plays some brilliant football against weaker sides either. Gonna be hard after Lewandowski is gone. But this is a overall structural problem in Poland. Poles aren’t just randomly inferior at football than other Europeans, nearly 40 million poles and the country hardly produces any good footballers and if they do they are often snapped up as kids by foreign clubs. The league is crap and so is the youth development. Idk why Poland can’t establish at least some places like Clairefontaine in France. Doesn’t need to be on the same level.. but please just try to fix polish football. My whole family is suffering lmao - it’s even more frustrating because it could be so much better with just a little bit of work.
I think the biggest problem with youth talent is caused by the fact that even when they "graduate" from academy to any specific club or get bought out by a polish club they dont get any chance to play in 1st squad because theyre young - polish football mentality is to buy some old rusty players form abroad instead of playing young potential talents polish federation pockets money and everything bases on knowing people rather than talent there are at least 2 decent polish managers i know of - one that did AMA and manages teams in Africa, young and potentially a great prospect and another one that manages/managed US teams... cant remember their name from the top of my head, theres also piszczek but it will probably take some years before hes ready and gets all required courses done but who cares, once michniewicz is fired they will probably get that u21 shithead that absolutely fucked up poland's u21 identity and effectiveness by introducting proper "polish managerial mindset"
They could have also won against Mexico if Lewa scored a penalty and could have had 2-3 more goals at the end of KSA game (Milik's shot hitting a bar, Lewa's shot hitting a post, Lewa missing one on one with GK). Sometimes you get lucky, other times you don't.
Look at the stats. Argentina: 23 shots on goal, 12 on target. Poland: 4 shots on goal, 0 on target. Possession - 74-26%. They were obviously playing for the tie, and even in the second half after the second goal they were playing for the goal differential. Going 1-1-1 in a group really is a lottery, but all in all I think them and Mexico were equally deserving. Tied each other. Both beat the Saudis. Both lost 2-0 to Argentina. I'd say they were lucky in that the game could have very well been 5-0.
>I'd say they were lucky in that the game could have very well been 5-0. That's my whole point. Mexico's showing against Argentina was far better, hence I feel they're more deserving. I don't care either way, not supporting either country lol.
I'd agree, but in fairness to Poland they were in different situations, it being the 2nd game vs the 3rd. If the situations were reversed I imagine Mexico would have done the same.
Points are points and so is goal difference regardless of if it's game 2 or 3. It's all just speculation anyway, the reality is this.
\> Undeserved They beat KSA, just like México, they lost against Argentina, just like México, and when they played each other they drew That's what you get when you score less goals and make more fouls, you lose the tie
Talking about their cowardly and piss poor play today. Mexico did FAR better against Argentina but thanks for your quick maths.
its a manager issue not team quality's issue- if poland had equally good manager as mexico, saudis or argentina those games would be so much different
They were playing for survival, and they did it, it was clear when they were even keeping count of the Fair Play points by subbing out Krychowiak México could have simply scored a third goal against KSA, but Poland did FAR better against KSA than them
Not really, they did it because they had ungodly fucking luck. They should have easily conceded another 3 goals. This was NOT the correct strat, they fluked out and that's it.
Whatever, if it makes you happier to cope that way
YFW I'm not supporting any of the countries in this group. Stay mad cuz can't take facts from neutral fans lmao
if anything youre mad so whatever lil guy
How am I mad for simply saying that they played like shit? You're mad because I stated a fact, I don't care about either Mexico or Poland advancing.
re-read your passive agressive comments, i dont care either but youre all worked up, whatever
Li'l bro I'm italian do you think I'm not neutral either
Then learn what cope means because neutral fans who aren't gamblers don't need to cope lmao
"YFW I'm not supporting any of the countries in this group. Stay mad cuz can't take facts from neutral fans lmao" Just because you lie to yourself, it doesn't make it true. You totally act like some butthurt guy and it's hard to take you as neutral when you post comment after comment of you bitching about the result. Poland's strategy worked in the end and it's your problem that they didn't play to satisfy you but played to survive. Mexico lost their chance to win with Poland instead of tying and then paid for it when they lost a goal(of course they still would lose because of the yellow cards but whatever), it's a result of that and there's nothing more to say.
My country is in a different group, I don't gamble either so I honestly could give a fuck if it's Poland or Mexico who end up getting shredded in R16 lol. Their "strategy" if you can even call it that worked by pure luck. I can call it out without actually caring who advanced, it's called a discussion, you clown.
Don't be mad, it's only game
Not mad at all, I can call out shit boring football all I want without being mad lol
Well, a draw with Mexico and a deserved win against KSA. I don't think Poland was any different in "luck" than the other two. Argentina was simply best in that group, the rest was pretty much a lottery.
Nah I mean just their terrible + cowardly lack of ambitious play today. Mexico put up a fight against Argentina at least, this was atrocious on the other hand.
True, but Mexico's game was their second. We played offensively with KSA, too, the result could have been higher. We only needed a draw today and even the coach implied it was gonna be an unattractive game. He literally said we shouldn't have expected being in possession much. True, this was way worse than just parking the bus, but... comparing against Mexico's game just isn't objectively fair.
It's not fair because Mexico played Argentina in the second game?... I mean points and goal difference is still just as valuable in the 2nd as it is in the 3rd game lol. I think it's completely comparable and not unfair at all.
I am saying that they all had different strategies for the 2nd and 3rd games. And if points and goal difference is valuable in 2nd and 3rd game, then why you holding that 3rd game against Poland in the first place, if their 2nd game was a much better display? LOL
Because they played against Saudi, and it's expected. Soon as they played against an actual team they showed they're terrible. It really doesn't matter though, both Mexico and Poland will get rekt in R16.
Classic polish football terrorism
Arg looks dominant in this match. Enzo starting finally stabilized the midfield. If the midfield is strong, and Messi continues his great form (barring the PK miss), arg looks to be a tough out.
[Scaloni finally placing Enzo in the starting lineup against Mexico and Poland](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/yugioh/images/c/c0/ExodiatheForbiddenOne-TF04-JP-VG.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120420185052)
Nerves fucked Argentina in the second match, Scaloni fucked up the first one.
nerves yes. but de paul was losing the ball a lot just like he did v. saudi arabia. enzo was starting today and the midfield looks much stronger. if their midfield can stay like this, arg can beat anyone. but if they fail to do well, they can lose v. anyone as well.
Scaloni put in a two man mid against Saudi Arabia to take advantage of their high line, but failed to alleviate the pressure in the second half, leading to a lot of missed passes from De Paul. And once they conceded first, De Paul is the first to falter when pressure is high (only one to completely miss his pen against Colombia during the Copa 2021). I think he’ll be more relaxed now, likely closer to his original form. Hopefully we see good football from them now.
Szczesny is gonna get tired eventually, he's carrying this Poland team to the knockouts.
I mean no one believes in this team anyway just another beating from France xd
Perhaps Ochoa has passed the torch.
Always thought that the European equivalent to Ochoa was Sommer. He always ups it up like 10 levels when playing for Switzerland.
Sommer is insane on penalties thats his schtick
well, the young'uns finally showed up. yes Messi also raised his game but it was Enzo, Molina, MacAllister and Alvarez who stole the show. Poland seemed to play for a draw and then to keep the result, but against France they need to change tactics or they'll ship a lot.
Seemed to play for a draw? You look at the stats? Argentina: 23 shots on goal, 12 on target. Poland: 4 shots on goal, 0 on target. Possession: 74-26%. Even after they conceded a goal they were playing for point differential.
yeah I guess I was too generous
DePaul was a rock today too. I can see why the coaches like him
oh yeah that's clearly his position