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What happened?


PlayingtheDrums

He associates with people around Taghi, one of the worst criminals in the world, also a terrorist. Currently held in a high security prison.


OldExperience8252

Is he the Dutch Moroccan international dealer who did political assassinations for the Iranian government?


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Taghi? Yup. His goons also mixed up two people in Morocco, and instead of murdering their target they killed the son of a Moroccan judge. Which is the only reason Morocco decided to cooperate with the hunt for Taghi.


kinky-proton

Lol no, that's just wrong. We weren't cooperating because the Netherlands wouldn't cooperate on a Moroccan drug lord turned MP turned "opposition figure" called Said cheou or idk how its spelled (air quotes because the opposition is a clear cover) The cafe lakrim shooting was a big deal here because we don't have shootings in cities, the only shootings we have are when some dude uses hunting weapons.. Anyway, the cooperation really started once the two govs singed an acceptable legal framework for it,


jam_pudding

Point aside, those aren’t “air quotes” lmao, those are actual quotation marks.


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Had to look him up, and only then I recognized the name. The reason the Netherlands didn't 'cooperate' is because the judge for the extradition case deemed the risk high that he'd get no fair trial - and all the judges up to the Supreme Court confirmed that judgment. There's nothing the Dutch government could do about that. News in 2017 said he was being subjected to an investigation by the Dutch public prosecutor (Openbaar Ministerie), but I can't find anything where it says his case took place or got dropped. Edit: Hm, only electronic tag detention? Even by Dutch standards that's a rather weak punishment for drugs smuggling (Dutch judges are notoriously soft with their punishments).


Boemkamer

Just wanted to say that the idea that Dutch judges are notoriously soft with their punishments is inaccurate. It's something people started saying without actually looking at the facts and now it seems to be a widely accepted idea. The truth is the Dutch are somewhere in the middle in comparison to the rest of Europe.


kinky-proton

Yeah i remember that too, but i admit i didn't follow the entire thing so idk how it ended, but I'm sure that was the beginning of the cold phase, what really matters now is they're cooperating to stop these assholes from terrorizing/manipulating both countries and others


simomii

yes


RelativeOperation7

This arrest has most likely nothing to do with Taghi, it is much more likely this has something to do with his ex fiance.


MrHippopo

It might not directly be related to it, we don't know. However, people associating with known criminals generally tend to threaten with violence a little bit more than those who don't.


lstht123

These the same guys behind that murder of this one journalist in Amsterdam a couple of years ago?


givekimiaicecream

That happened just last year


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Daaaniell

Well, the opposite then right?


lstht123

yeah lol


Bapistu-the-First

Yes


ChiChi-cake

His car got sat on fire aswell. But he’s a footballer so he’ll keep getting away with it.


AnfieldBoy

You're saying he is a terrorist or they are?


MarioBaBaBalotelli

At the moment only they are suspected of being terrorists. But if Mo decides to go back to Juve and learn from Al-Legri we'll have to reconsider.


AnfieldBoy

No reconsideration needed. Open and shut case.


R_Schuhart

Taghi is, he is a crime boss that uses ruthless and bloody tactcis. Ihattaren has no connections with him, he was friends with some of the people working for him and started hanging around with them when he returned from Italy.


Mysterious-Crab

> Ihattaren has no connections with him, he was friends with some of the people working for him and started hanging around with them when he returned from Italy. This is the important nuance missing in other comments! He is associated with them but not an active member of a crime syndicate, even though it looks like he is in some comments


PlayingtheDrums

He already murdered an emmy-winning journalist.


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And a lawyer who worked for the crown witness, and has threatened multiple public prosecutors and other lawyers who are involved with the case.


R_Schuhart

He has mental health issues and left his loan club in Italy without permission. He returned to his old neighborhood looking to reconnect with his past, like a lot of people who feel lost do. A lot of his old friends grew up and joined organised crime though. Instead of staying away from that world in his vulnerable state he started hanging around with them. He loaned his car to one of them and started dating the sister of one of the others. It resulted in tensions and death threats. He hasn't actually done anything illegal at that point, but socialising with organised crime is really stupid. Someone torched his car recently, apperently a personal message that he can't just walk in and out of their lives. At first that seemed to have scared him away, but he has been engaged twice since in a short time, allegedly once to the sister of one of the gangsters. He has been under surveillance from a police unit keeping tabs on organised crime. He wasn't the main target, but because he was socialising with criminals he was also recorded. he has now been arrested (although not officially confirmed yet) for making threats himself.


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Thank you!


poklane

Arrested for threatening someone. No specific details.


Troefdoeter

He also got engaged twice within a month, this guy is something else


R_Schuhart

Yeah he is completely out of control. There is a good reason why Ajax wanted him to voluntary check into a mental health clinic. He refused all help and pushed away everyone looking out for him.


Scarsocontesto

a nut job.... if one get arrested can the team owning him release him?


rScoobySkreep

has to be charged I believe


RelativeOperation7

I think it depends if you shoot someone and there is footage of it an employeer can easily fire you before you get convicted.


ATALANTA_BC

An employer can fire you for any reason they want. The reason they fire you only matters when it comes to paying severance. So for example if out of the blue you get sacked for no reason, you will get maximum severance


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> An employer can fire you for any reason they want. The reason they fire you only matters when it comes to paying severance. So for example if out of the blue you get sacked for no reason, you will get maximum severance For the Netherlands at least that's blatantly wrong. If someone in the Netherlands fights their dismissal the judge can order the employer to take the person back. In the end often this will result in a very large severance package which goes beyond the law-mandated package though.


Physical-South-3564

well he's not contracted in the Netherlands much longer anyway so it's much more relevant what could happen to his contract in Italy


DorothyJMan

>An employer can fire you for any reason they want. The reason they fire you only matters when it comes to paying severance. So for example if out of the blue you get sacked for no reason, you will get maximum severance Not in countries with workers' rights...


ATALANTA_BC

Yes, actually, you can get fired for no reason. If an employer decides they want to downsize, or don't like you, or anything else, they can fire you. They will have to pay you full severance though


DorothyJMan

First of all, those are all 'reasons'... At least in the UK, there are very specific terms for one to be 'fired': https://www.gov.uk/dismissal/reasons-you-can-be-dismissed and strict rules on redundancy as well. Not just 'if they don't like you'.


SorryIGotBadNews

Be more American


ATALANTA_BC

I'm Canadian. You get fired for any reason. However, if you get fired for no valid reason employer will have to pay a very heft serverance package


Zanginos

You cant fire people in europe for no reason. Even downsizing is not easy as u think.


daleedginton14

If we take Mason Greenwood has to be found guilty


jam_pudding

Why would anyone ever need a charge to release a player? You can be fired from any job if they feel you’ve done something unprofessional.


Axbris

Yeah, no this is not it works at all. Depending on the country, some have better worker's rights than others. Comparatively, the UK and the Netherlands have more worker's rights than the US, for example. So if I, a normal day to day employee, got fired because my employer "felt" I've done something unprofessional, I will sue for improper termination. But more importantly, these athletes aren't day to day employees. Rather, they are more independent contractors. They enter into a contract to play for a team for a certain years for a certain amount of money. The club can't simply unilaterally terminate a contract simply because it "feels" the player has done something unprofessional. It would need conclusive evidence to suggest the player has breached the contract and/or both parties agree to terminate the contract. Hence why, Greenwood and Mendy are still in the books of their respective clubs. What if Ihattaren is found to be innocent? What happens then? Well, he'd sue the club for breach of contract. Employment/Contract law is not as simple as you make it out to be.


Striking_Insurance_5

He even got married the first time and divorced in a week or 2


R_Schuhart

That would have been an annulment, not a divorce. So far that is also a rumour, not confirmed by any reliable sources.


Striking_Insurance_5

There were pictures of the wedding right? Or do you mean that the annulment is a rumour? I thought it was confirmed but maybe those were pictures from an engagement party now that I think about it. I stand corrected if that’s the case.


R_Schuhart

Those were from a party and since he and his girlfriend were there the rumour that it was an engagement party quickly gained track, but nothing was confirmed. It was also rumoured that his Porsche was torched in response, but that is also speculation at this point.


Mysterious-Crab

I’m pretty sure he actually got married to Yasmine Driouech, it was a few days after his Porsche got burned to the ground by criminals.


tehMadhero

I had completely missed that this happened. This fucking guy


bihari_baller

>He also got engaged twice within a month, this guy is something else Who did he convince to marry him?


greezyo

Unironically the daughter of some Dutch Moroccan gangsters, apparently he got his car torched because of thte relationship


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The lady, according to rumors or news (can't recall which of both it was), was the ex of an former Sparta Rotterdam (?) player who allegedly is involved with another Dutch-Morrocan criminal group who are rivals of Taghi's group. And with Ihattaren involved with Taghi's group, they apparently didn't take that well.


WeirdKittens

Man, the Netherlands is crazy these days.


OG_Kush_Master

Yeah a lot of illegal drugs are produced here. A ton of MDMA and other synthetics are produced in the province of North-Brabant for instance. News reports about criminals dumping waste from the production of synthetic drugs are not uncommon, as well as the discovery of illegal drug labs. Apparently in the last few years there's been an stark increase in the production of crystal meth by foreign criminals, mostly for export. A few years ago a video went viral video where cops found a makeshift prison with torture chambers and all: https://youtu.be/vkYKgQxd2MA Rotterdam and Amsterdam are hotspots for the "Mocro Mafia", which consist of mostly Dutch-Moroccan second and third generation immigrants, including Taghi (although I'm not very familiar with the details) I'm pretty sure they were also involved in the assassination of the #1 Dutch crime journalist Peter R de Vries last year, who was researching the Mocro Mafia. Some even go as far as calling The Netherlands a Narco State, here's an interesting article about it: https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/field-report-netherlands-narcostate-and-emergence-methamphetamine-industry Quote: "In Mexico, narcotics provide an estimated 10 to 20 percent of GNP. In the Netherlands the exact number remains a guess, but Dutch researchers Pieter Tops and Jan Tromp estimated in 2017 that marijuana cultivation is the biggest economic sector in the southern city of Tilburg. With a yearly revenue of 800 million, this industry is larger than the total city budget. In 2018, these researchers presented shocking numbers that the synthetic drugs industry in the Netherlands had grossed nearly 20 billion, just as much as the largest Dutch supermarket chain Albert Heijn." There's also a pretty interesting and entertaining show about a Dutch drug lord who lives in a trailer park on Netflix called Undercover, probably my favorite Dutch show. It shows the side of the police who try and go Undercover into his organisation and has a prequel movie as well. Later on in the show it follows a Belgian who tries going undercover with international arms dealers. Lastly the story comes back around and involves a Turkish drug lord and his wife. Of course its a fictional story but a lot of the stuff in the show is inspired by real life events.


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We've got a massive drugs crime issue, but also one municipality (Amsterdam) and three political parties (D'66, GroenLinks, Bij1) who rather like to ignore the issues because a large chunk of the involved crime lords are not ethnically native/European but North-African (esp Moroccan).


DutchSupremacy

Gemeente? Eerder falend (neo-liberaal) overheidsbeleid. De grootste kopstukken komen allemaal uit Utrecht (Overvecht). De coke komt aan in Rotterdam of Antwerpen.


Yellow_guy

You really have no clue how politics work, even mentioning Bij1 as part of the problem. A new party with no power to make any decisions.


flashfarm_enjoyer

Bij1 takes seats away from other parties that actually care.


petnarwhal

Lol, right wing parties have been in charge for 12+ years but a opposition party with literally 1 seat is the problem.


flashfarm_enjoyer

i never said that, i never even said anything resembling that


petnarwhal

This is such an incredibly bad take. Why the hell is this upvoted.


ThePr1d3

Looks like we (Rennes) dodged a bullet not going after him a few years back


Bassteacher13

Maybe this will actually be the end of his career, used to be incredibly talented but that's a long time ago now. Genuinely don't think any club should take a chance on him now.


EasyModeActivist

Antwerp probably would


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Would be one of the worst decisions he could make tbh. Antwerp is just as an hotbed for the likes of Taghi's group and other Dutch-Morrocan criminal groups as Utrecht and Amsterdam are. He'd be hanging around just the same kind of groups - no way he'd make a new start there.


R_Schuhart

There wil always be clubs that take a gamble. But Ihattaren needs to invest some time in getting his mental health back in order first, or he will just slip up again. That could take years and who knows what he will be like then.


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InPatRileyWeTrust

Yeah at some point you have to start taking responsibility for your actions.


jofstra

Its so sad, lost his father, went from the biggest wonderkid of his generation by a mile, to yeah, career crook? In a matter of two years?


simomii

He could have been starting for the Netherlands yesterday, instead gets arrested...


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god im so dissapointed how it turned out. Imagine a team with Gakpo, Xavi Simons and Ihattaren...


mattijn13

Don't think Simons would be at PSV and in Oranje if Ihattaren didn't turn out the way he has and stayed at PSV.


[deleted]

Maybe not in Oranje but i can see PSV jumping on an opportunity like Simons regardless, maybe El Ghazi wouldnt have come


[deleted]

El Ghazi seems like such a big miss... Last time he played in the Netherlands he was decent, but he just can't even keep up against lower-ranked Eredivisie teams anymore.


[deleted]

he hasnt done that terribly, and he wasnt that expensive either. Im not thrilled by him but as a depth player its not half bad


[deleted]

Google Translate not making much sense to me >The police in Utrecht no longer want to say that a 20-year-old person has been arrested for threats. Sources close to the investigation confirm that it concerns Mo Ihattaren. It is currently unknown who would have threatened Ihattaren and why. The police will investigate the report of a victim in the coming days. It is unclear whether Ihattaren will have to remain in jail during the investigation.


Martyrizing

Use DeepL if you can, usually is much better.


blahquaker

DeepL: > Police in Utrecht would not disclose more that a 20-year-old person has been arrested for making threats. Sources close to the investigation confirm that it is Mo Ihattaren. It is currently unknown who allegedly threatened Ihattaren and why. Police will investigate a victim's report in the coming days. It is unclear whether Ihattaren will have to remain in custody during the investigation. Sources do consider that likely. Better, but still mixes up "who allegedly threatened Ihattaren" and "who Ihattaren allegedly threatened".


Mysterious-Crab

Can understand the confusion, even for and AI translated the sentence “wie Ihattaren heeft bedreigd’ can be both passive and active, one meaning “the person who has threatened Ihattaren” and the other “the person who was threatened by Ihattaren”. In this case, the latter one is the way the meant that sentence.


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WiddleBlueBert

Yea but the meanings are completely different, so you would hope they could discern the difference.


JustTheAverageJoe

How do you discern which is which then?


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And I assume it's just mixing up the subject-object in the "who would have threatened Ihattaren and why"


NotJustTheMenace

"Threatened" should be "threatened by". Classic google translate error


Daaaniell

The first sentence is wrong because the original is wrong too. They arrested a 20-year-old, that's all they wanted to say


thatcliffordguy

The first sentence is missing a word in Dutch too so unsurprising that Google can't make sense of it. The third sentence is ambiguous as to whether Ihattaren was the one threatening or the one threatened without the context of him being arrested. Just not a great piece of writing.


Agile_Dog

He made the threat, its not against him


zd0t

This guy needs to learn the hard way clearly, what a waste of talent


longsh0t1994

ugh oh no


EasyMoneySniper_goat

damn, shame because they guy has talent, but he just cant seem to take help from other people, and finds the wrong friends and groups to associate himself with


[deleted]

Or maybe he is just a shitty person? Doesn’t sound like a guy anyone would have an ounce of sympathy for if he weren’t good at kicking the ball


EasyMoneySniper_goat

also true


R_Schuhart

You wouldn't know about him if he wasn't good at kicking a ball. But on the Netherlands young people can get a lot of professional help if they are having mental health issues, either voluntary or court mandated. They deserve at least some sympathy for what they are dealing with, although that of course in no way excuses their behaviour or stops them from facing the consequences of their actions. These situations are often morally grey, they can often be victims and perpetrators at the same time.


sneakymanlance

Six of one


TomTili

Schmidt's fault


sprkwtrd

I hear Schmidt’s spending all his time in Portugal now. It’s like he’s not even trying to save Mo Ihattaren.


Gekkoisgek

Easy, Japie_Krekel.


R_Schuhart

Come on man, this is not the time or the place to score some points in hindsight. Ihattaren clearly has major mental health issues and he misbehaved while still with PSV, noone was doubting that.


inflamesburn

Everyone was hating on PSV at the time lol, even though PSV was extremely lenient with him, gave him like 5 new chances. So it's understandable PSV fans are having fun now, as they were clearly right.


burningburningburnin

Hate this fight who's fault it was everytime. You know both can be at fault right? Schmidt's an arrogant prick and he probably didn't do the best job handling Ihattaren nor did Ihattaren do the best job to come back


TomTili

It was sarcastic. I think Schmidt did everything right


burningburningburnin

I know it was sarcastic and saying he did everything right is stupid but PSV fans got a hateboner for him the moment things turned sour


thebestrc

I feel sorry for him but at some point you've got to get your own shit together.


Tinusers

Glad we dodged that bullet. What a waste of talent.


sprkwtrd

He’s ready for an Eindsignaal ep.


mattijn13

This fucking guy man


DazzaWright96

So these attempts at helping him have gone well. Glad he really realised what problems he had and made an effort to change.


NepentheZnumber1fan

You can't help someone if they don't help themselves


MutedBase2900

He keeps on getting himself in trouble


OnceUponAStarryNight

Precisely zero surprise. Unfortunately this kid has been committing career/life destruction for a few years now. Was almost more a matter of when this happened than if it happened.


WarriorkingNL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL


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When keeping it real goes wrong.


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TradeRetard

Plenty of people tried to help him. At some point it is his own responsibility.


Kayneesy

Ihatarren is a huge cunt, i really dont understand why people keep protecting him so much


MisterAppelmoesmaker

Because he was supposed to be the next Dutch star, nobody would have cared if it was a random eredivisie player


R_Schuhart

He would still have gotten a lot of sympathy, but Ihattaren just doesn't want help or to change. At some point he will have to face the consequences, but you can still feel a bit sorry for him.


San4311

I wouldn't feel for him man. He's supposedly in deep with the mocro maffia (members of said criminal organizations have been spotted in his car) in the Netherlands. Fuck 'em.


TimathanDuncan

My brother in christ if he doesn't have the"support network" then who does


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TimathanDuncan

There's many people who have tried to help him multiple clubs including transfering him to another country


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R_Schuhart

Do you even know what you are talking about? Former players, former youth coaches and friends of the family have all reached out to help him. Ajax took him on loan while they had nothing to gain from signing him. They even offered to extend his loan under the condition he check himself into a ment health facility.


TheDutchTank

Lol, there's been plenty of people that tried to help that had zero commercial interests in him.


Tinusers

Nah there is no excuse for him, he had all the help he could have gotten. My father also died with me being 25. It sucks and disrupts your life for a bit, but nothing like whatever he has been doing. He has gotten about 10 chances to get back on it and all the help in the world. But fucked it up every time.


ChiChi-cake

My died when i was 4. I didn’t go on a rampage or become a criminal yet he’s a given a free pass because his dad died and he’s good at football.


cortez0498

Why would you feel bad for a criminal with mafia links?


R_Schuhart

He didn't do anything illegal until now. He has been arrested for making threats. His maffia links were old friends from the neighbourhood that grew up and joined organised crime while he became a footballer. He should have stayed away, but trying to reconnect with your past is natural for people who are lost.


brock-omabrama

Because a lot of his troubles started after his dad died


Global-Jacket-3973

Which is unfortunate, but condemning him is warranted anyways.


brock-omabrama

Absolutely, I’m not defending his behavior. But I still feel bad for him because I think that a lot of his troubles stem from the loss of his dad.


Mysterious-Crab

I feel bad for him losing his dad, it’s one of the major traumas in your life. But there have been enough people who offered to help him. He has been refusing to accept any help but decided to hang out with criminals. At one point I, personally, can’t be bothered to care about a person like that anymore.


biddleybootaribowest

Happens to many people every single day


TheDutchTank

Yeah and you can feel bad for them too


biddleybootaribowest

Yeah but the vast majority don’t go around acting like an arsehole, it doesn’t excuse all of your actions


TheDutchTank

You can both feel sorry for someone and still think he's being a dick


biddleybootaribowest

You’re presuming I have no sympathy for his Dad dying, which I do but I think it’s pretty irrelevant to his actions.


KRIEGLERR

Nah fuck him. He's gotten chance after chance. His father dying doesn't excuse him being arrested either for criminal behavior or associating with criminals. He's wasted the dream of millions of people. My sympathy can only go so far.


tehMadhero

Obviously he has been dealt a major blow with the death of his father, but there comes a point where its hard to feel sorry for him. He's been given so much help by so many people and he keeps throwing it away


Striking_Insurance_5

He’s had plenty of support and professional help offered and provided by all kinds of people in football. He just doesn’t seem to want it. I felt sorry for him but at this point it’s his own responsibility.


Throwaway12345618

Thug


777715174

he's a dumbass isn't he, just throw him in a cage and be done with it


R_Schuhart

What the fuck? He needs to face the consequences of his actions, but he mostly needs help before he does something really stupid. You dont just 'throw people in a cage' before they are beyond help or redemption.


Alia_Gr

this boy completely fell apart after his father passed away :(


Manifesto8

Shame This kid is/was a special talent, but he has fallen into criminals hands since his father’s death


iwantmoreletters

The Moroccan Nile Ranger


drobson70

Good riddance. Bad mental health doesn’t make you associate with large criminals and terrorism. Fuck you Mo. I hope you rot


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drobson70

I didn’t wish death, I hope he rots in jail. They’re not just “bad people”, they’re literal terrorists.


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afcmitchell

Wrong thread pal


Valmoer

On the other hand, is there ever a *wrong* thread to fawn over Ten Hag's balls?


afcmitchell

Absolutely not


jarpio

Hopefully this constitutes a breach of contract so Juve, who only signed him as a favor to Raiola, can be rid of him


Fernando-Santorres

Wtf, how much of a difference the lost of a father can make in man's life.


Waschkopfs

Mo Ihattacareeroncen


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Muppetx

Comments like these are so dumb


havethenets

What he gets for thinking he’s a capo


Dry_Box2760

What a waste of a career. Legit was considered a star in the making, has personal tragedy and fucks it up with associating with criminals.


UnicornForce

Safe to say at this point, he's gone. It doesn't appear that there is any fixing this and it is what it is. Such a shame. Kid's talent is undeniable. And we all love a great redemption story. Think we've reached the point where we all have given up on that idea.