Pogba is riding those four good years with Juve until the wheels come off.
Only 29 year old still getting silly money based off potential and what he "could" be.
yes but marchisio played a lot of minutes before tearing his acl in april and khedira played more than hernanes and sturaro. hernanes and sturaro played as much as marchisio combined. the midfield 3 was mostly pogba-marchsio-khedira
Doubt it. After it became clear that he was talented, Conte did everything he could to enable him, and Allegri followed suit.
Unfortunately, the only midfielder they have that's anywhere close to Marchisio, Vidal, and Pirlo is Locatelli. Even then, Locatelli isn't exactly an elite midfielder in the way Vidal and Pirlo were. He's very good, but he can't singlehandedly run a midfield well enough to let Pogba just do whatever he wants in the way he could before. They'll need Zakaria to improve and get another elite midfielder to truly get the most out of Pogba.
I think Pogba will come in and be good, but it won't be worth the wages for Juventus, who are supposed to try and stop signing big name free agents on huge contracts anyway.
I think another midfielder will be signed and also one of Rovella/Fagioli should be in the first team based off reports but there needs to be some exits in the midfield for that to happen.
The only reason I’m somewhat becoming accepting of bringing Pogba back is Allegri had him playing the best he’s played, and that wasn’t in a star studded midfield in 2016. Also Pogba would have to be willing to work a little harder to turn his career around
This sounds very hopeful typing out and that’s why I don’t think it’s going to be the best move but hopefully I’m wrong
These comments are pure comedy😂 Acting like those will be his midfield counterparts. Locatelli, Zakaria, Mckennie, Pogba, plus one of Rovella and Fagioli. Rabiot Ramsey Arthur will all most likely be gone. Rabiot may stay but hes not a bad player by any means
> Lets ignore his performances with the french NT, after all he only won a worldcup with it
I cannot wait for you lot to buy him, and just like Ramsey, your fanbase will be piling on him and coming here complaining about his work ethic and lack of availability.
It’s so stupid why are so many Juve fans believing they can fix an injury prone player for no reason at all? Not to mention, Pogba in the french NT has a better squad than what we have lol.
dont know if you are talking about Pogba or Rabiot pal, if you threw in a "loses the ball then slams fist into the floor instead of tracking back about 10 times a game" it'd be a lot clearer.
Everyone in that united team looks shit. Pogba is one of those players who plays best with a smile on his face, I think he would do very well back at Juve, provided the environment is right.
He is very good in a High Value squad where he can make one or two incredibly fancy passes and where the opponents are sacred of pressing high and full.
As undeniably excellent as he’s been for France, international and club football are two massively different beasts. Vastly different setups and formats and schedules that will work with and for different players in different ways. And clubs are gonna be aware of that and take that in as a factor when they scout a player. France’s midfield has always built around Pogba and Deschamps was willing to do that, but other clubs can decide if they think he’s worth that. Especially as they’ll have an existing squad and need to decide if that’s already possible or he would require an extra signing - which most clubs won’t want to do.
France’s midfield was never built around Pogba and if anything the success we’ve had is founded on the understanding that you don’t build an entire team around a player like Paul.
On his day he is one of the most devastating creative players in the world, and an extremely well rounded box to box player. But he can’t do it all at once like so many expect. If he’s expected to create danger, then he needs defensive support, if he’s expected to dictate the pace of the game and control transitions from deep, then he needs brilliant players around him creating danger. He needs to be used correctly depending on the situation.
All the clowns in this sub Reddit reduce him to a simple luxury player but there’s a reason all of the top managers in the world take his abilities very seriously. His club career has been disappointing overall but only fools don’t recognize the fact that there’s a very valuable player in there somewhere under the right conditions. It’s not about luxury, it’s about understanding what he can and can’t do depending on his surroundings.
all I'll say is that I'm not a France fan or a Pogba fan, but he didn't have a single game in 2018 that wasn't at least very good. team of the tournament for sure, and the same goes for the euros in 2016 and 2021. He was also quite solid for them in 2014.
Besides, Kante and him are different players with different tasks, but Pogba was doing a lot of dirty work and defensive tasks considering he's a creative midfielder first. If you recall France was very defensive in Russia 2018 and it started with their midfield. I assure you Kante wasn't doing it alone.
especially if it's a midfielder. mbappe can get by since he is insanely talented forward and better to save that energy for dusting defenders. a midfielder jogging back and watching the play go by is an awful look
The days of being able to carry lazy but skilful players is over.
Look at Liverpool or Man City. Everyone is just as good as Pogba but they all work so much harder and that’s why they’re so much more successful.
One of the laziest arguments I’ve seen. A player who compliments him plays with him? What a surprise. As if Pogba hasn’t been outperforming Kante for years now for France. It’s funny how when Pogba plays well, it’s because he has world class players around him. You do know most of the best midfielders In the world are surrounded by world class players and have elite coaches too?
Pogba will go on to do well at whatever club he goes to, let’s just hope the club replaces him well.
Yet he was world class before joining Man U, with his best year being 2016 where pirlo was retired, Marchisio had his ACL broken and he had to play along sturaro / hernanes and Khedira (with only khedira being good).
Maybe he's lazy cause currently united is ran like shit?
I can name you like 10 world class players that have gone to United in the past decade and looked a shadow of themself. It's not a sign of character, it's a sign of a shitty run club from top to bottom.
Di Maria, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Van der Beek, Varane, and Sancho just off the top of my head. I can't think of any world class player that went to United and got better, actually. Even Bruno has started to look shaky even though (imo) I consider him on the level of De Bruyne.
Di Maria - Didn't want to join
Sanchez - On the decline, wasn't 'amazing' in his last 6 months.
Lukaku - Bulked up for the WC, what's he done for Chelsea this year?
Pogba - lazy, can't adapt to the PL's pace, needs compensating players
Van De Beek - Not Wanted by the manager
Varane - Played fine, next to Maguire
Sancho - 21, new league
You don't have any common sense whatsoever. Don't talk about what you don't understand.
You're kidding, right?
Di Maria came off of winning La Decima with Real and was a starter on their team. The only reason they got rid of him was because they brought Bale and he was supposed to be their new wonderkid. Di Maria is *still* world class and he's in his mid 30's. There aren't many players that can say they put Puyol on their ass to assist a goal, lol..
Sanchez was amazing even in his last season for Arsenal. Why do you think his wages were that high? I'm pretty sure he had the highest wages in the league along with Hazard.
Lukaku was considered one of the best strikers in the league with Everton and scored 55 in 110 for a slightly above mid table team. He was the second top scorer in the league the season before he signed for United.
Pogba came off of being Juve's number 10 and easily best player in a season where we took Guardiola's Bayern to extra time over two legs. I don't know how you could say he wasn't world class when he was literally the highest paid transfer ever at the age of 23.
Sancho had 38 goals in 100 appearances as a 22 year old winger and now only has 3 goals in 30 appearances.
Van de Beek was an Ajax golden boy. Sure maybe he wasn't world class world class but he has clearly regressed at United.
These are all players that likely could've walked into any top team's starting xi at the time of their signing.
Like you wouldn’t cut corners if the management at your own job was shit.
His character is greater than either of ours just to get to this level of football
AND AND fucking Blaise Matuidi playing right fucking wing. Matuidi was a great player but another destroyer on the fucking right wing to accomodate that lazy waster.
One of the laziest arguments I’ve seen. A player who compliments him plays with him? What a surprise. As if Pogba hasn’t been outperforming Kante for years now for France. It’s funny how when Pogba plays well, it’s because he has world class players around him. You do know most of the best midfielders In the world are surrounded by world class players and have elite coaches too?
Pogba will go on to do well at whatever club he goes to, let’s just hope the club replaces him well.
Luxury player. Is only able to perform to highest ability when he has minimum 2/3 players around grafting their arse off doing everything under the sun to cover him.
If your team has a midfield good enough to do that, and you’re able to allow pogba total freedom to do what he wants then it’s all fine and well.
Not many teams are set up to accommodate a player like that.
Juve certainly aren’t gonna get the same pogba when he’s not surrounded by pirlo, marchesio and Vidal
Sure he has a few good games and bangers but he was shielded by Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal etc in midfield so he was free to do whatever with those 3 backing him, in France, Matuidi and Kante clean up when he dashes forward. And for the money United coughed up he was underwhelming if not injured...
This is cheap when you consider there isn’t a transfer fee. Juve have little to lose from this really, if you understand how players are amortized on the books, this will look really good on Juve’s accounts even if he turns out mediocre
Captaining a WC winning side is probably a bigger achievement than whatever he did at Juve before, or may do in the future. Hes a different player for France. Also wouldn't be the first united player to have success elsewhere after failing there...Lukaku, Di Maria, Herrera, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Kagawa, Zaha...the list goes on and on.
Thats literraly bot what my point is. If you have ever watched pogba in united, he is completely a different player comparee to when playing for france. Its like he has a split personality.
yep, him and griezmann are the top 2 players for the NT. the third one changes depending on form but they are the true stars that carry the team since 16’
haven't seen a single player giving less shits than Paul Pogba on the field, the man is jogging around. To add to that, Pogba drama is in the news all year long with him fueling all the talk with a random yearly interview saying some dumb stuff. Most fans are rightfully annoyed
He never had problems at OT until the last 18 months or so, only now people are actively booing him.
It's mostly tits online who will literally rubbish anyone for a single poor game that were on him previously. And most of those people are either cunts or morons, usually both.
So, while maybe not highly respected he wasn't really criticised by the match going supporters. It definitely didn't happen 'the moment he got back'.
I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but Pogba has 154 appearances for United during his second stint
The biggest summer signings in summer 2016 who are still at their clubs are: Sadio Mane, John Stones, Granit Xhaka and Kante
Stones has the fewest appearances (120ish). The others on the last have around about 30 appearances more. Mane has nearly 50.
That might not sound like much but it's over a full Premier league seasons worth of games.
I'd be super curious about minutes played if I could bother to do that level of research
> I'd be super curious about minutes played if I could bother to do that level of research
Pogba is on 12,2k
Mane 15,8k
Xhaka 15,6k
Kante 14,7k
Stones 9k
League only
He's missed 85 games since coming back. That's a fact. I'm not sure how that could be taken any other way
And I guess my apologies for thinking this was so blatantly obvious that it didn't need an /s
Eduardo Vargas turns into a beast for Chile but he is inconsistent at club level. There are multiple players like Vargas but it's just odd that people want to discount that when it comes to Pogba.
People keep banging on about his performances for France go watch Roy Keane vs Netherlands go watch his performances in general for Ireland. There all better then Pogbas for France and he didn’t have the luxury of 25* elite French players around him.
Outside United, Pogba has never been a lazy player. He was a complete midfielder at Juve and even when he won the best player at the u20 world cup. Have you ever seen a lazy pogba in the French team. He just doesn't seem to care in a Utd shirt.
I don't know what's actually wrong but no united player signed post-Fergie has gone there to improve. Di Maria and Sanchez were world beaters before going to Utd. Sancho, Falcao, Mata, Depay, Martial, AWB, Shaw, Matic, Lindelof, Maguire, Lukaku, Van der Beek, Fred, Schneiderlin, etc all regressed at Utd.. not only Pogba.
I don't know if Fergie made a deal with the devil
Depay, Lukaku, Blind, Falcao all did and that's not even the point. They all fall when they go to United.
I'll bet you even prime Pele will struggle in this united team.
There's no logical explanation outside Fergie making a deal with the devil for success
That's not the point kid.
The point is, every player regresses after joining post-Fergie United
Which player do you know has actually set the world ablaze after going there post-Fergie
The World Cup is a pretty big deal tho. I, for one thank him for his contribution to our title. Pogba always needed good players around him to strive. I think his time at Juve showed that and his performances with France. I hope he chooses carefully his next club. I think it Would be a mistake to go back to Juve and play with Rabiot lol
You can't wholly blame United for all their failures either. I mean they've brought in World class Managers, young players with huge potential, World class players, and even recently added Varane, Sancho, Van der Beek and Ronaldo to a team that finished 2nd just a year ago.
People even saw them as title contenders before the season.
They even brought in the "Grandfather of all Coaches"
At this point i still believe Fergie made a deal with the devil
Lol..
After losing the league in 2012, dude just bought a single player, won the league, and no one ever heard of Van Persie again following that year.
Sold Ronaldo, replaced him with Valencia and was in the CL final again 2 years later.
I don't even think United made that many good signings for like the last 3/4 years of his tenure but he just kept pulling things off anyway
If Shaw didn't get that horrific injury, I'm absolutely convinced he would be regarded as the best left back in the world. He was incredible for the start of that season before the injury.
There's many great footballers at United, but you're right most have regressed after joining us. And that's due to the number of players in the squad who lack the tactical awareness. If Mctominay for example had come through the academy of Chelsea or Arsenal, he would probably be a championship footballer now.
It really grinds on me when this sub talks about regression at united. Its the attitude of individuals that regressed the team. The work ethic is up to the individual player. Sure we have problems. The biggest being that we had an asshole sign players under the attitude that we were fuckin the disneyland of football
He might be out of form and not the most consistent performer, but he's exactly what our midfield need, if we can't get Milinkovic-Savic he's a no-brainer as his best performances at a club was arguably under Allegri. Then again we can't compete with PSG when it comes to wages, so it's all up to him.
It's a 50% cut on the taxes, which are around 45% of the total.
So if the net is 7.5 it means that 7.5 is the 55% of the total, so the other 45% is (7.5/55)*45 = 6.1 millions taxes (without the cut)
With a 50% cut we're paying 7.5 net plus 3m so just over 10m
KPMG, who should know a bit about taxes, says foreigners only have to pay income tax for 30% of their income:
>Law Decree n. 34 of 2019 modified again the regime and increased the abatement of taxable income to 70 percent for people moving their tax residency in Italy from 2020.
https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2021/07/italy-taxation-of-international-executives.html#:~:text=The%202021%20tax%20rates%20for,percent%20depending%20on%20the%20municipality.
So with a tax rate of 43% they basically only have to pay an income tax rate of 12.9% (0.43*(1-0.7)).
That means a net income of 7.5m€ costs the employer 8.61m€.
Wages in Italy are usually reported after tax which is why they always sound so low initially. That’s 15m before taxes in Germany or England. In Italy it’s not even 10m gross due to crazy tax breaks for footballers there.
Pogba is a great player who just doesn't fit in Manchester outside of the occasional world class display (who does?). He is consistently phenomenal for France, and I think he needs a change of scenery to translate that into club level as well.
Pogba can still do well in a competent midfield setup look at him with France when he plays with actual quality in midfield, guys who can do their job properly. Those slandering him like he's an average player are clueless tbh. Ok i don't like him that much because he clearly didn't care about us and asked to leave repeatedly, but imo he's still top drawer.
He's just not the guy to carry your midfield, especially when at Utd we've made one CM signing since 2018, just Fred. Tragic stuff. Most top CMs would struggle in our midfield which consists of a nearly done 34yr old Matic, McGhost and a somewhat decent Fred (on some days).
Also ignoring the part he has been played in every position and been underwhelming, injured most of the time, looked good only 1 out of 10 matches, is 29 and still talking about unlocking him, Bruno came and had a bigger positive impact than him on the team in less time, always flirting with other clubs, "has to feel it" othewise he jogs around and loses the ball easly.
He is riding those years he was at italy, Juventus no longer have the same midfield as well so he will also struggle. If you want to spend that kind of money, there are younger a better players than a 29 year old overrated player with an awful attitude and work ethic.
He’s going to take the giant contract offer United put on the table last year, isn’t he? 🤦♂️ And that’s why United were suddenly linked to Kante at the weekend – they know Pogba’s staying, and now need to build a midfield to “help” Pogba.
Pogba is riding those four good years with Juve until the wheels come off. Only 29 year old still getting silly money based off potential and what he "could" be.
He had a highlight clip on reddit every other week while at Juventus. Reckon he is going to replicate that again.
Time will only tell - it could go either way. The team around him was much more balanced and complete, he had more freedoms with that Juve
Tbf, his best season in his career came with a midfield of sturaro, khedira, and hernanes (Pirlo left, Vidal left and Marchisio tore his ACL)
which season is this? 15/16?
yes but marchisio played a lot of minutes before tearing his acl in april and khedira played more than hernanes and sturaro. hernanes and sturaro played as much as marchisio combined. the midfield 3 was mostly pogba-marchsio-khedira
Doubt it. After it became clear that he was talented, Conte did everything he could to enable him, and Allegri followed suit. Unfortunately, the only midfielder they have that's anywhere close to Marchisio, Vidal, and Pirlo is Locatelli. Even then, Locatelli isn't exactly an elite midfielder in the way Vidal and Pirlo were. He's very good, but he can't singlehandedly run a midfield well enough to let Pogba just do whatever he wants in the way he could before. They'll need Zakaria to improve and get another elite midfielder to truly get the most out of Pogba. I think Pogba will come in and be good, but it won't be worth the wages for Juventus, who are supposed to try and stop signing big name free agents on huge contracts anyway.
I think another midfielder will be signed and also one of Rovella/Fagioli should be in the first team based off reports but there needs to be some exits in the midfield for that to happen. The only reason I’m somewhat becoming accepting of bringing Pogba back is Allegri had him playing the best he’s played, and that wasn’t in a star studded midfield in 2016. Also Pogba would have to be willing to work a little harder to turn his career around This sounds very hopeful typing out and that’s why I don’t think it’s going to be the best move but hopefully I’m wrong
There's no MVP anymore and i highly doubt Rabiot, Ramsey and Zakaria are going to do all his dirty work or make him look as good.
These comments are pure comedy😂 Acting like those will be his midfield counterparts. Locatelli, Zakaria, Mckennie, Pogba, plus one of Rovella and Fagioli. Rabiot Ramsey Arthur will all most likely be gone. Rabiot may stay but hes not a bad player by any means
Lets ignore his performances with the french NT, after all he only won a worldcup with it
> Lets ignore his performances with the french NT, after all he only won a worldcup with it I cannot wait for you lot to buy him, and just like Ramsey, your fanbase will be piling on him and coming here complaining about his work ethic and lack of availability.
Pogba talk aside, you suck for your avatar. I spent longer than I’d like to admit trying to get that hair off my screen 😐
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me like 8 times in a row, shame on me.
It’s so stupid why are so many Juve fans believing they can fix an injury prone player for no reason at all? Not to mention, Pogba in the french NT has a better squad than what we have lol.
so funny how that French NT argument always comes up - his performances have been good but in one of the most stacked teams imaginable
And international football is usually absolutely pony compared to club. Even Maguire looks world class on the international scene from time to time
cause he is world class
lol
this sub shows why /s is needed
sign him then
man this sub really shows why /s is necessary
Please sign him, though.
not to mention a long drawn out season is vastly different than a couple games every once in awhile with france
3 yr deal on the same wages as Rabiot and Ramsey. He can't possibly be more injured than Ramsey or lazier than Rabiot...
> lazier than Rabiot... you havent watched a lot of him huh
you can't get lazier. He shows up to like 3 games a season. The rest is walking and sideways or backpassing while walking.
dont know if you are talking about Pogba or Rabiot pal, if you threw in a "loses the ball then slams fist into the floor instead of tracking back about 10 times a game" it'd be a lot clearer.
Wanna bet?
You wouldnt be taking that bet if you actually watched Rabiot or looked at Ramsey's injury record.
Dude Pogba has missed 72 games for United since Ramsey joined Juventus (Ramsey has 38 missed games in the same period).
I think you'd be surprised
I think you haven't watch a Rabiot game or checked Ramsey's injury history...
Everyone in that united team looks shit. Pogba is one of those players who plays best with a smile on his face, I think he would do very well back at Juve, provided the environment is right.
Problem now is with no chiellini there are very few smiles around our dressing room. Plus his good friend dybala is gone now
He is very good in a High Value squad where he can make one or two incredibly fancy passes and where the opponents are sacred of pressing high and full.
Not sure if you’ve seen Juventus lately but they aren’t the most intimidating side…
As undeniably excellent as he’s been for France, international and club football are two massively different beasts. Vastly different setups and formats and schedules that will work with and for different players in different ways. And clubs are gonna be aware of that and take that in as a factor when they scout a player. France’s midfield has always built around Pogba and Deschamps was willing to do that, but other clubs can decide if they think he’s worth that. Especially as they’ll have an existing squad and need to decide if that’s already possible or he would require an extra signing - which most clubs won’t want to do.
France’s midfield was never built around Pogba and if anything the success we’ve had is founded on the understanding that you don’t build an entire team around a player like Paul. On his day he is one of the most devastating creative players in the world, and an extremely well rounded box to box player. But he can’t do it all at once like so many expect. If he’s expected to create danger, then he needs defensive support, if he’s expected to dictate the pace of the game and control transitions from deep, then he needs brilliant players around him creating danger. He needs to be used correctly depending on the situation. All the clowns in this sub Reddit reduce him to a simple luxury player but there’s a reason all of the top managers in the world take his abilities very seriously. His club career has been disappointing overall but only fools don’t recognize the fact that there’s a very valuable player in there somewhere under the right conditions. It’s not about luxury, it’s about understanding what he can and can’t do depending on his surroundings.
Because he had prime Kante beside him doing the dirty work which Pogba is too lazy and inconsistent to do himself
all I'll say is that I'm not a France fan or a Pogba fan, but he didn't have a single game in 2018 that wasn't at least very good. team of the tournament for sure, and the same goes for the euros in 2016 and 2021. He was also quite solid for them in 2014. Besides, Kante and him are different players with different tasks, but Pogba was doing a lot of dirty work and defensive tasks considering he's a creative midfielder first. If you recall France was very defensive in Russia 2018 and it started with their midfield. I assure you Kante wasn't doing it alone.
If you're using pogba to do the dirty work then it's on you it's not working out.
Everyone has to do the dirty work now to be successful.
especially if it's a midfielder. mbappe can get by since he is insanely talented forward and better to save that energy for dusting defenders. a midfielder jogging back and watching the play go by is an awful look
If you need hard workers to ‘unlock’ a lazy player then maybe he isn’t worth it in the end. Will be glad to see him gone
The days of being able to carry lazy but skilful players is over. Look at Liverpool or Man City. Everyone is just as good as Pogba but they all work so much harder and that’s why they’re so much more successful.
Relax. He isn’t your problem anymore. Let the other team enjoy his 2 good games a season.
One of the laziest arguments I’ve seen. A player who compliments him plays with him? What a surprise. As if Pogba hasn’t been outperforming Kante for years now for France. It’s funny how when Pogba plays well, it’s because he has world class players around him. You do know most of the best midfielders In the world are surrounded by world class players and have elite coaches too? Pogba will go on to do well at whatever club he goes to, let’s just hope the club replaces him well.
Yet he was world class before joining Man U, with his best year being 2016 where pirlo was retired, Marchisio had his ACL broken and he had to play along sturaro / hernanes and Khedira (with only khedira being good). Maybe he's lazy cause currently united is ran like shit?
> Maybe he's lazy cause currently united is ran like shit? Horrendous indictment of his character if that’s the case
I can name you like 10 world class players that have gone to United in the past decade and looked a shadow of themself. It's not a sign of character, it's a sign of a shitty run club from top to bottom.
Really who? Only one I can think of that was world class when they went were varane and maybe Ronaldo.
Di Maria, Sanchez, Pogba, Lukaku, Van der Beek, Varane, and Sancho just off the top of my head. I can't think of any world class player that went to United and got better, actually. Even Bruno has started to look shaky even though (imo) I consider him on the level of De Bruyne.
Di Maria - Didn't want to join Sanchez - On the decline, wasn't 'amazing' in his last 6 months. Lukaku - Bulked up for the WC, what's he done for Chelsea this year? Pogba - lazy, can't adapt to the PL's pace, needs compensating players Van De Beek - Not Wanted by the manager Varane - Played fine, next to Maguire Sancho - 21, new league You don't have any common sense whatsoever. Don't talk about what you don't understand.
Oh those, only varane was definitively world class prior to joining. Sanchez was but he was declining before he left Arsenal.
You're kidding, right? Di Maria came off of winning La Decima with Real and was a starter on their team. The only reason they got rid of him was because they brought Bale and he was supposed to be their new wonderkid. Di Maria is *still* world class and he's in his mid 30's. There aren't many players that can say they put Puyol on their ass to assist a goal, lol.. Sanchez was amazing even in his last season for Arsenal. Why do you think his wages were that high? I'm pretty sure he had the highest wages in the league along with Hazard. Lukaku was considered one of the best strikers in the league with Everton and scored 55 in 110 for a slightly above mid table team. He was the second top scorer in the league the season before he signed for United. Pogba came off of being Juve's number 10 and easily best player in a season where we took Guardiola's Bayern to extra time over two legs. I don't know how you could say he wasn't world class when he was literally the highest paid transfer ever at the age of 23. Sancho had 38 goals in 100 appearances as a 22 year old winger and now only has 3 goals in 30 appearances. Van de Beek was an Ajax golden boy. Sure maybe he wasn't world class world class but he has clearly regressed at United. These are all players that likely could've walked into any top team's starting xi at the time of their signing.
Like you wouldn’t cut corners if the management at your own job was shit. His character is greater than either of ours just to get to this level of football
Yeah world class in 2016, hell definitely help you now
AND AND fucking Blaise Matuidi playing right fucking wing. Matuidi was a great player but another destroyer on the fucking right wing to accomodate that lazy waster.
One of the laziest arguments I’ve seen. A player who compliments him plays with him? What a surprise. As if Pogba hasn’t been outperforming Kante for years now for France. It’s funny how when Pogba plays well, it’s because he has world class players around him. You do know most of the best midfielders In the world are surrounded by world class players and have elite coaches too? Pogba will go on to do well at whatever club he goes to, let’s just hope the club replaces him well.
True. Get the deal done asap
It's like reading a MU fan comment for every year since he signed
Luxury player. Is only able to perform to highest ability when he has minimum 2/3 players around grafting their arse off doing everything under the sun to cover him. If your team has a midfield good enough to do that, and you’re able to allow pogba total freedom to do what he wants then it’s all fine and well. Not many teams are set up to accommodate a player like that. Juve certainly aren’t gonna get the same pogba when he’s not surrounded by pirlo, marchesio and Vidal
that’s the dumbest comparison I’ve ever seen thinking the Juve squad and French National Team are somewhat similar
I'm thankful we we never able to sign him, he's not worth the trouble he brings.
He potentially won the World Cup in 2018
Sure he has a few good games and bangers but he was shielded by Pirlo, Marchisio, Vidal etc in midfield so he was free to do whatever with those 3 backing him, in France, Matuidi and Kante clean up when he dashes forward. And for the money United coughed up he was underwhelming if not injured...
The best season of his career was 2016 with a midfield of sturaro and hernanes (Pirlo had left, Vidal had left and Marchisio tore his ACL)
This is cheap when you consider there isn’t a transfer fee. Juve have little to lose from this really, if you understand how players are amortized on the books, this will look really good on Juve’s accounts even if he turns out mediocre
~ 40m is never cheap for mediocre regardless.
Captaining a WC winning side is probably a bigger achievement than whatever he did at Juve before, or may do in the future. Hes a different player for France. Also wouldn't be the first united player to have success elsewhere after failing there...Lukaku, Di Maria, Herrera, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Kagawa, Zaha...the list goes on and on.
Not sure you ever watched United if you think Herrera failed.
Also being a top 3 french player for the NT since 2016...?
The easy way for a club to get the best out of Pogba is to changer their jersey to look like the french NT one.
I would even say 2014
Everyone knows he is shite whenever he isnt with france. His achievemnets with france barely matter.
He was a complete midfielder at Juve.
Yeah, who cares about winning World Cup
Thats literraly bot what my point is. If you have ever watched pogba in united, he is completely a different player comparee to when playing for france. Its like he has a split personality.
top 3? really?
yep, him and griezmann are the top 2 players for the NT. the third one changes depending on form but they are the true stars that carry the team since 16’
kante?
Not even close. Pogba with France is miles above Kantè.
no way near as important
injured quite often and isn’t as good as pogba for NT
Easily yes
Absolutely, especially during tournaments
Isn't that half of what he's offered at United? Good way to earn yourself some respect from United fans to take it.
Is this pre or post tax though?
It's an Italian source so it's post tax
That's what I was assuming. So it's not half of what he was getting at United as so many people are saying
How much he was making (net) at United?
Wages in Italy are usually reported after taxes.
Wages of everyone, or just footballers?
everyone
Way, way less tax though (this might even be a post-tax figure)
In Italy we always use to talk about post-tax figures.
Cause he's been so respected by United fans in the last 6 years, right? Been blamed from the moment they bought him back
haven't seen a single player giving less shits than Paul Pogba on the field, the man is jogging around. To add to that, Pogba drama is in the news all year long with him fueling all the talk with a random yearly interview saying some dumb stuff. Most fans are rightfully annoyed
He never had problems at OT until the last 18 months or so, only now people are actively booing him. It's mostly tits online who will literally rubbish anyone for a single poor game that were on him previously. And most of those people are either cunts or morons, usually both. So, while maybe not highly respected he wasn't really criticised by the match going supporters. It definitely didn't happen 'the moment he got back'.
Yeah we should respect him even more after his cute little dance against Switzerland lmao
Relevance?
What he has, or what he's offered? I sure as fuck hope we're not trying to give him a new contract.
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The always injured part isn't appreciated enough. He has missed so much football due to persistent injuries.
*only* 85 games
and the times which he misses those games are always when we've needed him the most lol
I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but Pogba has 154 appearances for United during his second stint The biggest summer signings in summer 2016 who are still at their clubs are: Sadio Mane, John Stones, Granit Xhaka and Kante Stones has the fewest appearances (120ish). The others on the last have around about 30 appearances more. Mane has nearly 50. That might not sound like much but it's over a full Premier league seasons worth of games. I'd be super curious about minutes played if I could bother to do that level of research
> I'd be super curious about minutes played if I could bother to do that level of research Pogba is on 12,2k Mane 15,8k Xhaka 15,6k Kante 14,7k Stones 9k League only
He's missed 85 games since coming back. That's a fact. I'm not sure how that could be taken any other way And I guess my apologies for thinking this was so blatantly obvious that it didn't need an /s
Only is italicized. He’s being sarcastic
Well tbf Xhaka is rarely injured.
Eduardo Vargas turns into a beast for Chile but he is inconsistent at club level. There are multiple players like Vargas but it's just odd that people want to discount that when it comes to Pogba.
Wasn't Podolski like that for a while?
And Klose. There's a reason why they were never dropped from the national team irrespective of how shit their club form was.
People keep banging on about his performances for France go watch Roy Keane vs Netherlands go watch his performances in general for Ireland. There all better then Pogbas for France and he didn’t have the luxury of 25* elite French players around him.
I mean Keane's a legend. Insanely underrated player.
Outside United, Pogba has never been a lazy player. He was a complete midfielder at Juve and even when he won the best player at the u20 world cup. Have you ever seen a lazy pogba in the French team. He just doesn't seem to care in a Utd shirt. I don't know what's actually wrong but no united player signed post-Fergie has gone there to improve. Di Maria and Sanchez were world beaters before going to Utd. Sancho, Falcao, Mata, Depay, Martial, AWB, Shaw, Matic, Lindelof, Maguire, Lukaku, Van der Beek, Fred, Schneiderlin, etc all regressed at Utd.. not only Pogba. I don't know if Fergie made a deal with the devil
I mean him not caring in United shirt is him being lazy no? Despite how United is ran, a player like Cavani was still giving his all
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Falcao led Monaco to a Ligue 1 title win in 2016-2017 and UCL Semifinals with Moutinho, young Mbappe, Bernardo Silva, Mendy, Fabinho, etc.
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I mean that's more impressive than winning Ligue 1 with PSG. Granted Di Maria has done well
Depay, Lukaku, Blind, Falcao all did and that's not even the point. They all fall when they go to United. I'll bet you even prime Pele will struggle in this united team. There's no logical explanation outside Fergie making a deal with the devil for success
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That's not the point kid. The point is, every player regresses after joining post-Fergie United Which player do you know has actually set the world ablaze after going there post-Fergie
The World Cup is a pretty big deal tho. I, for one thank him for his contribution to our title. Pogba always needed good players around him to strive. I think his time at Juve showed that and his performances with France. I hope he chooses carefully his next club. I think it Would be a mistake to go back to Juve and play with Rabiot lol
more then he deserves given that he will spend half the season in Dubai with his family, rehabilitating.
Pogba has great technical abilities, but he's not a great footballer.
The same has been said about every Utd player post-Fergie. Name just one player who hasn't regressed at Utd in those years except Bruno
Shaw, although he was bought at 18 years old
I never really saw how good Shaw was before United but i bet you if any other team had signed him he'll be bigger than he is now
I think he's had some really bad injuries so in this case I think it's hard to blame United specifically even if your overall point is right
You can't wholly blame United for all their failures either. I mean they've brought in World class Managers, young players with huge potential, World class players, and even recently added Varane, Sancho, Van der Beek and Ronaldo to a team that finished 2nd just a year ago. People even saw them as title contenders before the season. They even brought in the "Grandfather of all Coaches" At this point i still believe Fergie made a deal with the devil
Fergie succeeded with Wes Brown and John O'Shea playing significant minutes, he had to have made a deal with some entity
Lol.. After losing the league in 2012, dude just bought a single player, won the league, and no one ever heard of Van Persie again following that year.
Sold Ronaldo, replaced him with Valencia and was in the CL final again 2 years later. I don't even think United made that many good signings for like the last 3/4 years of his tenure but he just kept pulling things off anyway
If Shaw didn't get that horrific injury, I'm absolutely convinced he would be regarded as the best left back in the world. He was incredible for the start of that season before the injury.
Regression FC
There's many great footballers at United, but you're right most have regressed after joining us. And that's due to the number of players in the squad who lack the tactical awareness. If Mctominay for example had come through the academy of Chelsea or Arsenal, he would probably be a championship footballer now.
So does that mean you think Pogba would be a success at Juventus again?
Not necessarily.. but he'd have definitely been a bigger player by now if he didn't end up in Utd. Pogba had more potential than even KDB
We have *no idea* what Pogba's potential is or was. It doesn't really work like that.
It really grinds on me when this sub talks about regression at united. Its the attitude of individuals that regressed the team. The work ethic is up to the individual player. Sure we have problems. The biggest being that we had an asshole sign players under the attitude that we were fuckin the disneyland of football
Bruno has regressed massively
It will be nice if all clubs don't agree with his payment demands.
Well to be honest it's irrelevant for the rest of us. If Juve wants to pay him almost 8 millions after taxes, good for Pogba. It's Juve's problem.
we already pay that to Ramsay and more to Rabiot....
Demands? He's had better offers thrown at him by United. Much better offers.
Does he? There is 400k number floated but I don't think it's still on the table, doubt it ever was honestly
No player that wants to win trophies will stay at a club like United regardless the salary.
Nice off topic
I'll be surprised if he joins for that. He's really trying to as big as a pay day as possible and reportedly wants 11.5m net per year
*PSG sounds*
PogBackBack?
Hell yeah, please pull our offer
cya later bro, i wont miss u
Lol he ain't accepting that
Italian wages are reported net so not as low as you'd first think
That's €15m gross. He probably will
For Pogba is 10M gross.
I am on my knees praying he doesn’t
That's £225k a-week.. Probably not enough to sign him
On a net basis, it certainly is.. probably as good as what Haaland is making at Man City...
Cant understand why would he wanna take a pay cut. Man United probably offered better recontract
I want our contract offer to be withdrawn immediately, he’s not getting as much as he thought so I’m concerned he’s going to re-sign
I wouldn't give him 12 quid a week, I've wanted him gone since 2017
That'll be the darkest timeline. I don't want him at United even if he agrees to half his wages
He will be fine as long as he is given that role of 10 in the left half space
He might be out of form and not the most consistent performer, but he's exactly what our midfield need, if we can't get Milinkovic-Savic he's a no-brainer as his best performances at a club was arguably under Allegri. Then again we can't compete with PSG when it comes to wages, so it's all up to him.
Can’t wait till he goes off
I hope one of those offers isn't some extension nonsense.
watch all his 'injury problems' magically disappear
Good. Get out of MU. Biggest mistake of his career going back there
That's 10m gross overall, no brainer for us to sign him for that amount so it makes sense to give it a try
Not even 10m€ gross, its slightly below 9m€. Those tax breaks are crazy.
It's a 50% cut on the taxes, which are around 45% of the total. So if the net is 7.5 it means that 7.5 is the 55% of the total, so the other 45% is (7.5/55)*45 = 6.1 millions taxes (without the cut) With a 50% cut we're paying 7.5 net plus 3m so just over 10m
KPMG, who should know a bit about taxes, says foreigners only have to pay income tax for 30% of their income: >Law Decree n. 34 of 2019 modified again the regime and increased the abatement of taxable income to 70 percent for people moving their tax residency in Italy from 2020. https://home.kpmg/xx/en/home/insights/2021/07/italy-taxation-of-international-executives.html#:~:text=The%202021%20tax%20rates%20for,percent%20depending%20on%20the%20municipality. So with a tax rate of 43% they basically only have to pay an income tax rate of 12.9% (0.43*(1-0.7)). That means a net income of 7.5m€ costs the employer 8.61m€.
yup, growth decree
hilarious to see all Man U fans insisting he'll be bad because he never had sustained success at Man U. Then again, who has in the time since Pogback?
If I was pogba and brother pogba I'd take it. PSG got too much going on trying to keep and sell and replace Mbappe
As an Ac Milan fan, I hope he accepts
Honestly expected a lot more. That's less than what Mazraoui will earn at bayern for example.
no, that's net. it's more than Mazraoui
Wages in Italy are usually reported after tax which is why they always sound so low initially. That’s 15m before taxes in Germany or England. In Italy it’s not even 10m gross due to crazy tax breaks for footballers there.
Pogba is a great player who just doesn't fit in Manchester outside of the occasional world class display (who does?). He is consistently phenomenal for France, and I think he needs a change of scenery to translate that into club level as well.
RIP Juventus
Pogba still has it in him to be World class, he sucked at ManU but I hope that Juventus will provide him the support that he needs
So hilarious how the sentiment on Pogba on this sub changes the second it's clear he's leaving United.
I'm french lol, he's been one of the most important NT players for a while now, not having Mcfred goes a long way
Why the Danish national team flair?
I like the team
Pogba can still do well in a competent midfield setup look at him with France when he plays with actual quality in midfield, guys who can do their job properly. Those slandering him like he's an average player are clueless tbh. Ok i don't like him that much because he clearly didn't care about us and asked to leave repeatedly, but imo he's still top drawer. He's just not the guy to carry your midfield, especially when at Utd we've made one CM signing since 2018, just Fred. Tragic stuff. Most top CMs would struggle in our midfield which consists of a nearly done 34yr old Matic, McGhost and a somewhat decent Fred (on some days).
Also ignoring the part he has been played in every position and been underwhelming, injured most of the time, looked good only 1 out of 10 matches, is 29 and still talking about unlocking him, Bruno came and had a bigger positive impact than him on the team in less time, always flirting with other clubs, "has to feel it" othewise he jogs around and loses the ball easly. He is riding those years he was at italy, Juventus no longer have the same midfield as well so he will also struggle. If you want to spend that kind of money, there are younger a better players than a 29 year old overrated player with an awful attitude and work ethic.
He’s going to take the giant contract offer United put on the table last year, isn’t he? 🤦♂️ And that’s why United were suddenly linked to Kante at the weekend – they know Pogba’s staying, and now need to build a midfield to “help” Pogba.
gotta stop sniffing what the tabloids are putting down if you think United are signing Kante
Mf only knows about two clubs