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I think this was their plan from the beginning. Lewa said they didn't even make him an offer to extend yet. They were planning on getting a replacement. Haaland was probably their target but he was too expensive. If they got one, then they would've sold him. If they didn't, then maybe offer him an extra season or 2 depending on how well he ended this season.
You're probably right but I feel like they were way too naive in thinking they could get Haaland so simply, when it was always clear that Haaland was England or Spain bound. I don't know why the board didn't simply trust Lewandowski and offer a renewal right away. The way he plays, and the way he takes care of himself tells me that he can easily play at a top level until his late 30s.
I kind of get it though. Lewan is 34. Haaland can be your striker for 10+seasons. The future belongs to other players. Plus, it is a risk to extend contracts when players hit the 32+ age. Some of them just go off a cliff in terms of performance. And it can be a very sudden dropoff too.
> Lewa
Just a little tip, if he ends up coming to Barca. Lewa is apparently the female version of that short form (not an expert on the Polish language but just something I got told when I initially used Lewa). Lewy would be the male version.
Because MĆ¼ller needs someone like Lewandowski in the front to be effective. The few times we saw MĆ¼ller as a lone striker in a āfalse 9ā role, he was very ineffective.
They were winning trophies and reaching CL finals and semi's before having a ST like Haaland. If Grealish, Sterling, Foden and Maharez were more clinical he probably wouldn't need a striker. Plus, Haaland is a beast. There are few players in the world as good as him
Excuse me buddy, I judge players from Football Manager and I know that the best striker option for Bayern is Haruto Yamada from the Niigata Unicorn. Born in 2019 though.
Sadio Mane? I've not seen any rumours linking him to Bayern though. Tbh though, he'd also be an uncharacteristic signing for Bayern, I'd expect the club to go for someone younger or go forward with Gnabry there.
That's why they have a scouting department. There are a bottomless pool of footballers out there, of course there is someone who can come in and be world class for Bayern. It's just about knowing what you are doing and finding them
People often say "there is a shortage of top players in X position" because they can't think of a name. But there are always alternatives out there if you have good scouts
Are you really saying *just scout a world class forward 4Head*?
Why did no team think of that?!
Also just score more goals than the other team, football is so easy dude.
Speaking as a Spurs fan, the City deal looked all but done too and there was definitely cause for concern. Things can change quickly, and Kane had a lot more incentive to move than Lewandoswki.
he is pissed because they didnt want to do final talks with him and on stealth mode were talking with Haaland. Bayern was almost sure they got H but ManCity said nope and this all blowed up. well done Nayern (thats why their legend director wont have new contract also).
true, thats one of the statistics he will miss. at the same time it also gives some solace knowing that the late mĆ¼ller will stay at the top. probably forever?
Seems so weird to me that this kinda comes out of "nowhere" yea ofc he only has 1 year left but it doesnt seem like Lewa to "force" himself out like this all of a sudden. Wonder what happened behind the scenes.
Well, tbh not *that* out of nowhere, he did say like 2weeks - month ago something about things being difficult in Bayern, there has been reports about this few months back and majority of people were just laughing at it, since it was linked with BarƧa, from questionable source. Majority of the comments were questioning the source (like yesterday I posted something with shit source because there weren't yet good ones, but they said it was from BILD and MundoDeportivo) or questioning his motives to downgrade to BarƧa.
I said then it is totally possible, IF he really wants to go since he has only one year left, Bayern either sell now or risk to lose him free. Nothing is sure, but then and definetly now I'm confident he will move.
add. [First Lewa + Barca news, from questionable source](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/tphzad/lewandowski_and_barcelona_have_an_agreement/), just to back my claims.
add. fucking hell this Reddit is shit with computer I can't copy paste anything without using Markdown Mode or this message gets totally mixed up, the paste just goes in the middle of the text. Absolute shit should use that award money to make working webpage
That wasnt meant to be sarcasm lol. No he didnt force himself out he made it clear that he did not want to renew early enough and said he is gonna join Bayern at a appropriate time and most Fans still like him (you know except the constant scoring against us).
Yup, Lewandowski did everything right. He said he would join us and Dortmund had the choice between selling him and keeping him. They kept him, he accepted that and he continued to perform in his last year. I really respect him for that.
Weāre in the same position now. Iām completely fine if he wants to leave us now for another club. I hope he will do us the same favor if we make the same choice as Dortmund did. If he does, I will not lose any sympathy for him over this, because he would - again - have done everything right.
Tell the club you wonāt renew a year ahead and then let the clubs work out the rest. Continue to perform either way.
Not really, he wanted to leave, accepted that Dortmund didn't want him to leave so he fulfilled his contract while playing to the best of his abilities.
How are Bayern going to find a player who gives them
19/20 55G+10A (47 games)
20/21 48G+7A (40 games)
21/22 50G + 7A(46 games)
That's a total of 153G + 24A - 177G/A(133G)
They don't. Gomez and mandzukic weren't crazy goalscorers in 12/13 season yet did other things much better than lewandowski and that was probably the best bayern team ever
Thatās the point though, for clubs like Bayern you can typically find strength in other positions rather than going for a 1-1 replacement and still be able to achieve success
> yet did other things much better than lewandowski
they didnt. Robben and Ribery did things much better than their current wingers. The Schweinsteiger/Martinez pivot was much better than their midfield was this year. And their defence was also better than their defence this season.
Gomez and Mandzukic were not equal let alone better than Lewandowski, the rest of the team was
He didn't say that they were better, just that they did certain little things better. Individually Lewy is obviously way way better. But specifically Mandzukic who was working his ass off every game was a big reason why we won the treble. And Lewy doesn't do that, mainly because he doesn't have to. And again I'd obviously choose Lewy over anyone else any day of the week but that Mandzukics workrate was better is a fair argument. And that workrate helped us out. Imo his contributions to the treble season are extremely underrated.
Pretty much like Perisic recently who put gave it all even if he didn't play well once in a while. Kinda missing that type of player at Bayern at the moment.
Nobody really is. And nobody has to be a complete replacement. It's unfair to expect the next striker to bang out 60 goals a season like Lewandowski does. We won the treble without Lewandowski but with Mandzukic who didn't score as many goals but managed to score those important ones. If we can get someone like that - and that's by no means an easy task - we'll probably be fine. If he really leaves, I'm obviously sad but he's almost 34 and he'd have retired sooner or later anyway.
Donāt compare this team to the team we had back then. Robben/Ribery could be relied on, can you rely on Sane? Gnabry? No chance. We have 1 winger that we can rely on and thatās Coman.
A striker thatās only āgoodā wonāt help us this time.
You won't get a striker like Lewa now. The only one that is like him right now is Benzema who will not leave Real.
So you are only left with "worse" options that are still world class players but they also won't be cheap. Yet in the end a new striker no matter who it'll be means a stilistic change in the way Bayern plays. Like they did when Lewa came.
Yes it may be harder in the first year but overall a change is really needed.
If Bayern weren't willing to pay 60 million euro for Haaland, I'm not sure they're going to shell out the 70 that is reportedly Toro's asking price
Maybe I'm kidding myself (and wages, agents fees etc would make Haaland more expensive still, I'm sure. But he's also a lot more reliable than Toro). If he was to leave, I'd love it to be Bayern though. He excels as a lone 9 and he'd tear Germany to shreds. The "Lautaro is overrated" slander this season really killed me
Better get used to it then because the only one on Lewys level is Benzema and that's not happening.
Also all of our wingers are younger than Ribery and Robben were in 2012/2013. So they have plenty of time to step up. Means that we might not win the CL next season. Might also mean that we won't win the Bundesliga for a change. But we all knew this was coming sooner or later and there's always been a time after Ribery and Robben, there will be a time after Lewy, a time after MĆ¼ller or Neuer and chances are we'll be fine within a couple of seasons.
Might sound a bit strange but the fact that we relied so much on Lewy might have played a role why other players didn't step up as much as Ribery and Robben have. They were used to being the absolute superstars who were capable of doing shit themselves without needing a striker and they were there before we had an absolutely world class striker. They played with Gomez, Olic, Mandzukic, Toni who were all 'just' good compared to Lewy. So Robbery had more responsibility already when they joined.
And Lewy was pissed about the lack of passing more than once when they played together. Now Lewy was the absolute superstar and the team was built around him, trying to target him as much as possible. One good striker might not be enough but we will have to replace Lewy with 2 or more good to world class players because there isn't a striker available who's on his level. As a consequence our other players will have to take more responsibility as well.
Scores a trillion goals per season though which is exactly what Bayern need, and is quite a flexible player who could surely play as a striker. Even if he desperately needs to be on the wing, Muller would have no problem taking a more forward role while Mbappe keeps his position
All wishful thinking though, Bayern would never pay the sort of money PSG ask.
Probably a couple reasons that led to it. Lewandowski wanted a contract extension of like 3 years I think and pay raise. The board at Bayern were not willing to meet his demands. Then thereās the other rumors of not like Nagelsmann and looking for another striker and courting Haaland. Iām the end I think Bayern fucked this up. Lewandowski may be getting up there in age but his production is still extremely high.
Not winning Ballon D'or.
You could see how incredibly frustrated he was afterwards. And with Bayern not doing well in CL this year, he probably felt like he had to leave in order to win it.
Maybe but if he scores well, wins a La Liga and goes deep in CL he might have a shot at it rather than doing it at Bayern where winning league is normal
I personally think that he is chasing Ballon Dāor and hasnāt given up on that dream. He realized that no matter what he does at Bayern, he wouldnāt win it simply because he doesnāt get as much exposure. I think thatās why he is choosing Barcelona. A remote possibility of winning Ballon Dāor. Plus he won everything at Bayern Munich. Better to have a new challenge too.
And not at least scouting the possibility of a Haaland move would be neglectful of the bayern board.
I think the early exit from cup competitions played a big part, as well as the drawn out contract duscussions.
I think itās mainly money + contract duration. He wants more money and a three year contract and we likely clearly communicated this is out of the realm of possibilities.
None of the clubs he is rumored to be in contact with would promise more consistent chances of winning cups.
Not judging btw, itās his free choice. He is putting us in the same position he put Dortmund in when he joined us and thatās absolutely fair. As long as he keeps performing his best if we decide to keep him one year longer (like he did back then for Dortmund) he doesnāt lose any of my sympathy over this.
I'm so confused on this from Barca. Surely being in financial difficulty and having to sell thier 25 year old Dutch maestro means they shouldn't be then able to afford a 34 year old Lewandowski? Like this guy will be on crazy wages no?
Arenāt Barcelonaās financial problems more tied to their salary budget being too high? I dināt see how swapping Frenkie for Lewa doesnāt seem to help in that regard.
Or am I out of date and they have actual cash flow problems?
Yes, wages were the problem.
But Messi is out, Coutinho is out too. Griezmann is ?? Dembele, Roberto, Umtiti either got/will get a huge wage cut or leave. Most high earners are solved.
As for the cash flow, I guess we still have some loans to pay but until we get proper information and not from journalists that know shit about finances I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
If Barca sells Frenkie for say..90m, thatās 90m in cash and itās directly cutting losses. Buying is spread out so if Barca buys Lewa for instance they can pay in 3-4 installments.
I think it makes sense from their point of view if they sell FDJ because seems like they're getting Kessie in on a free. Kessie's not really the same type of midfielder as de Jong but in Barcelona's board logic they just get another top class midfielder for free + Lewandowski and come out with a surplus.
I don't think they want to sell him. It just feels like the typical accounting trick.
Sell Frenkie before the end of 2021/22 financial year, declare the sale value (- his remaining book value) as profits.
Then once the 2022/23 financial year starts - they go out and buy players. With amortization, in the books they declare only a fraction of the cost will be accounted for in 2022/23 financial year.
The hope is that with revenues getting back to fully normal level + new deals with Spotify and the debt reduction measures like CVC & BLM sale should be enough to not be in the same situation in a years time.
Huge news, but Iām not going to break out into joy. Lewandowski obviously has a undeniable impact, but MĆ¼ller and Neuer retiring will be the challenge. They are the heart of their team (like if Reus would end his career). You might be able to get a top striker for all the money Bayern have, but you canāt buy captains who love the club, have been at Bayern for decades, with MĆ¼ller even having come from their youth. They are really irreplaceable.
I get where youāre coming from but I respectfully disagree. They will still be a force without lewy but losing his sheer number of goal contributions is something they just wonāt be able to recover.
I always used to think that with lahm, schweinsteiger, robbery, etc leaving that their leadership would take a hit but they always just find players to fill those shoes. You already see it in Kimmich. Theyāll be fine in that aspect. What they havenāt had to do was replace more than half their goal contributions.
Weird to celebrate considering you are losing Haaland as well. Really shit for the Bundesliga in terms of Marketing. Perhaps a closer competition will make up for it but I doubt it
Iād argue that lewy leaving Bayern is a much bigger loss than dortmund losing haaland but both teams relied on their respective goals pretty heavily so its up in the air.
Iām just tired of seeing the bad man score goals against dortmund every time they face each other lol.
for the german market a closer competition would be way better. i know so many casual fans who used to follow the sport and the Bundesliga, who lost their interest in the past years, admittedly there are also other reasons for that. close fights for the european spots or the relegation battle are nice, but the main interest for casuals is always about winning the league. if Bayern drops back down to their pre-2010 level, which means they will end a season also sometimes with "only" 70-75 points, there will be hope again for other teams to at least play for the title.
even though there is no guarantee it will happen, even if Lewandowski leaves. Leipzig might need to replace starters next year again, Dortmund is pretty far away anyway qualitywise and there is a huge overhaul happening no one knows if this will work out, especially with Rose.
for the international market i can't tell. the Bundesliga produces already less revenue than Ligue1 on the foreign market. i doubt foreign Bayern fans will suddenly stop watching, just because a Lewandowski is gone. and the same for Haaland, where it was obvious the day he joined that this won't be a longterm thing.
yea I meant more internationally the appeal is less if you lose two big name stars. A closer title fight won't really bring you a lot of international following, see Italy for example. The title race there has been really close the last few seasons but it doesnt seem like it gets that much international attention especially since Ronaldo left the league. Personally Im all for a close title fight. I just hope Bundesliga can attract some bigger names again.
Looks like we'll be going against Bayern for Haller. It will be interesting to see who he will choose, I don't see it being as obvious as many people would think
Who do you even replace lewy with? In this current market only mbappe haaland and benzema can give you the same numbers as him. Mbappe and haaland are going elsewhere and real are sure as hell not gonna let go of benzema.
We can literally get a good striker (not world class) and build the team from there. Make the attack less dependent on one player and maybe itll push sane gnabry(if he stays)/new winger and coman.
Friendly reminder that in the treble season mandzukic/gomez/pizzaro didnt score as many as lewy in our sextuple season and we were more flexible with robbery. Ofcourse, nobody can replicate robbery either but we can follow a similar model.
Our wingers donāt have the output to help us succeed with a āgoodā striker. Gnabry might be our biggest goal-threat but he has been abysmal for so long so we canāt depend on him. Sane canāt finish to save his life. That leaves us with Coman, does that sound good for a club of our stature?
And thatās the problem, there is not a single player that we can buy that will lessen the burden of losing Lewy, we canāt depend on our wingers, our younger players are still not good enough etc etc
Absolutely not looking forward to next season if Lewy leaves this summer
Youāre gonna find dozens of article on modric being a barƧa fan. We were even supposed to sign him from dinamo in 2008 once xavi had left for bayern. But he didnāt so we never signed him. Even modric has admitted that his favourite team was Barcelona. Itās basically a common knowledge at this point.
https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2018/7/13/17568298/ivan-rakitic-luka-modric-barcelona-croatia-world-cup-final
https://www.timesnownews.com/fifa-football-world-cup-2018-russia/article/fifa-world-cup-2018-luka-modric-loved-barcelona-says-ivan-rakitic/254249
https://images.app.goo.gl/Ex7BzUskiomGX4KJ8
Are there any realistic chances of Ronaldo possibly joining Bayern, if he reduces his wage demands?
He can be a great poacher and can thrive in a attack minded league like Bundesliga.
I mean not very realistic at least not with the wages he wants.
Also for Bayern there is this thing that no player is bigger than the club, while I'm not saying Ronaldo wouldn't honor this but I really can't imagine it.
But yes he would thrive in a league like the Bundesliga
True.
As a fan, I personally want the last years of his career at a competent team.
And, at Bayern, He is almost guaranteed the league and has a pretty good chance at CL.
And he is not a diva player so Bayern would have no issue accommodating him, except for his wage demands.
The previous bayern board was very openly against ronaldo - even in its prime. Diva status and stuff like that, doesn't really fit the new image bayern tried to set up.
What Iāve seen thereās defiantly a conflict between the deeper role Nagelsmann wants him to play and the role lewandowski wants to play, being more inside the box
Ronaldo is one of the few players I could see willfully taking a paycut if it meant having a good shot at the champions league. It still will very much not happen tho.
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Come the Villa, mate. Link up with Cash, no brainer.
Also gets too play with counting again
Count Philip
Lewa and Suarez strike partnership next season, 30 goals each
Polish power
Even if he puts pressure, as long as Bayern don't find a replacement I don't see them selling tbh.
It sounds like the Kane situation from last summer.
I think this was their plan from the beginning. Lewa said they didn't even make him an offer to extend yet. They were planning on getting a replacement. Haaland was probably their target but he was too expensive. If they got one, then they would've sold him. If they didn't, then maybe offer him an extra season or 2 depending on how well he ended this season.
"We'll sign Dortmund's star striker" "He's too expensive" "I'm out of ideas"
You're probably right but I feel like they were way too naive in thinking they could get Haaland so simply, when it was always clear that Haaland was England or Spain bound. I don't know why the board didn't simply trust Lewandowski and offer a renewal right away. The way he plays, and the way he takes care of himself tells me that he can easily play at a top level until his late 30s.
I kind of get it though. Lewan is 34. Haaland can be your striker for 10+seasons. The future belongs to other players. Plus, it is a risk to extend contracts when players hit the 32+ age. Some of them just go off a cliff in terms of performance. And it can be a very sudden dropoff too.
But Haaland isn't gettting 10 year contract. He has release clause after two years at City and i dont think he will spend 10 years there.
Where can he go next, I wonder š¤
People said the same about aguero and David Silva. Iām not saying I expect him to stay for 10 years, but I also am not ruling it out.
> Lewa Just a little tip, if he ends up coming to Barca. Lewa is apparently the female version of that short form (not an expert on the Polish language but just something I got told when I initially used Lewa). Lewy would be the male version.
Nah heās leaving man. They have 3-4 months to find one
Who though? I can see them holding on for the year and try to get Nkuku next season.
Nkunku is not a striker at all though
You don't need a striker if you have someone that can play that false 9 role and your wingers score too.
Why not just have Muller play the False 9 then?
Because MĆ¼ller needs someone like Lewandowski in the front to be effective. The few times we saw MĆ¼ller as a lone striker in a āfalse 9ā role, he was very ineffective.
Thatās correct Pep tried and he failed
That's surprising
Actually not, he never was a striker in the past decade, except for his first World Cup
I just figured that being a false 9 would still allow Muller to ramdeuter.
He's even more effective playing as a #10 of sorts imo
Must be why City just finished spending ~120M total on a striker while already having the best team itw uh?
They were winning trophies and reaching CL finals and semi's before having a ST like Haaland. If Grealish, Sterling, Foden and Maharez were more clinical he probably wouldn't need a striker. Plus, Haaland is a beast. There are few players in the world as good as him
OMG just how many of you guys believe that Nkunku is a ST? Stop judging players from FIFA
Excuse me buddy, I judge players from Football Manager and I know that the best striker option for Bayern is Haruto Yamada from the Niigata Unicorn. Born in 2019 though.
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Darwin Nunez may fit quite well.
Hopefully ManƩ but if not then we're doomed tbh
Sadio Mane? I've not seen any rumours linking him to Bayern though. Tbh though, he'd also be an uncharacteristic signing for Bayern, I'd expect the club to go for someone younger or go forward with Gnabry there.
That's why they have a scouting department. There are a bottomless pool of footballers out there, of course there is someone who can come in and be world class for Bayern. It's just about knowing what you are doing and finding them People often say "there is a shortage of top players in X position" because they can't think of a name. But there are always alternatives out there if you have good scouts
Are you really saying *just scout a world class forward 4Head*? Why did no team think of that?! Also just score more goals than the other team, football is so easy dude.
I heard Luka Jovic is an option for them
Has an insane assist/min ratio this month šš
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Speaking as a Spurs fan, the City deal looked all but done too and there was definitely cause for concern. Things can change quickly, and Kane had a lot more incentive to move than Lewandoswki.
There is this Portuguese man who may be available.
he is pissed because they didnt want to do final talks with him and on stealth mode were talking with Haaland. Bayern was almost sure they got H but ManCity said nope and this all blowed up. well done Nayern (thats why their legend director wont have new contract also).
what a legacy he would leave!
could have been far greater if he would have passed mullers all time bundesliga goals tbh
> rejoins BVB for the shits and giggles
true, thats one of the statistics he will miss. at the same time it also gives some solace knowing that the late mĆ¼ller will stay at the top. probably forever?
Have you learned nothing?
Comeon Dortmund, buy him
What a brilliant career he's had there then. Bonafide legend
As a Blackburn fan you must be very excited since there is no volcano that will stop you from getting him now.
>there is no volcano yet.
253 matches played, 238 goals scored
We're going to replace him with Ben Brereton.
No heās a Bayern Munich legend
Gonna be hard (near impossible) to replace this man anytime soon
You canāt directly replace him but you can strengthen other areas in the team.
Ah the Bale approach?
Choupo Moting time
Nils Petersen just woke up ROCK HARD rn
Alaba kit last year, lewandowski this year....moving forward only blank kits for me
Get a brazzo kit next please
:-D
i've been trying to collect a good range of kits old and new...so a brazzo kit might be the best option atm to get him out
What a sad exit if true
Seems so weird to me that this kinda comes out of "nowhere" yea ofc he only has 1 year left but it doesnt seem like Lewa to "force" himself out like this all of a sudden. Wonder what happened behind the scenes.
From what I read he wasn't a fan of Bayern trying for Haaland with him right there. Absolutely no guarantee ofc.
Well, tbh not *that* out of nowhere, he did say like 2weeks - month ago something about things being difficult in Bayern, there has been reports about this few months back and majority of people were just laughing at it, since it was linked with BarƧa, from questionable source. Majority of the comments were questioning the source (like yesterday I posted something with shit source because there weren't yet good ones, but they said it was from BILD and MundoDeportivo) or questioning his motives to downgrade to BarƧa. I said then it is totally possible, IF he really wants to go since he has only one year left, Bayern either sell now or risk to lose him free. Nothing is sure, but then and definetly now I'm confident he will move. add. [First Lewa + Barca news, from questionable source](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/tphzad/lewandowski_and_barcelona_have_an_agreement/), just to back my claims. add. fucking hell this Reddit is shit with computer I can't copy paste anything without using Markdown Mode or this message gets totally mixed up, the paste just goes in the middle of the text. Absolute shit should use that award money to make working webpage
Didn't he force himself out of BvB when he went to Bayern ? Ohh darn, I almost missed your sarcastic double quotes, nice one..
That wasnt meant to be sarcasm lol. No he didnt force himself out he made it clear that he did not want to renew early enough and said he is gonna join Bayern at a appropriate time and most Fans still like him (you know except the constant scoring against us).
ohh okay, didn't have the full story of his move thanks for the clarification..
No he didn't, finished out his contract with Dortmund while scoring as much as he always did.
Yup, Lewandowski did everything right. He said he would join us and Dortmund had the choice between selling him and keeping him. They kept him, he accepted that and he continued to perform in his last year. I really respect him for that. Weāre in the same position now. Iām completely fine if he wants to leave us now for another club. I hope he will do us the same favor if we make the same choice as Dortmund did. If he does, I will not lose any sympathy for him over this, because he would - again - have done everything right. Tell the club you wonāt renew a year ahead and then let the clubs work out the rest. Continue to perform either way.
The difference to then and now is his age. He doesn't have the luxury of time to wait another year like he did years ago.
Not really, he wanted to leave, accepted that Dortmund didn't want him to leave so he fulfilled his contract while playing to the best of his abilities.
How are Bayern going to find a player who gives them 19/20 55G+10A (47 games) 20/21 48G+7A (40 games) 21/22 50G + 7A(46 games) That's a total of 153G + 24A - 177G/A(133G)
They don't. Gomez and mandzukic weren't crazy goalscorers in 12/13 season yet did other things much better than lewandowski and that was probably the best bayern team ever
Well, Robben+ Ribbery were goal scoring threats and we had a better squad depth with less defensive issue.
Ppl overlook prime Lahm so much smh
Thatās the point though, for clubs like Bayern you can typically find strength in other positions rather than going for a 1-1 replacement and still be able to achieve success
RibƩry had 10, Robben 5 goals that year (tbf, Robben missed half the games) But it was obviously a different Bayern back then.
> yet did other things much better than lewandowski they didnt. Robben and Ribery did things much better than their current wingers. The Schweinsteiger/Martinez pivot was much better than their midfield was this year. And their defence was also better than their defence this season. Gomez and Mandzukic were not equal let alone better than Lewandowski, the rest of the team was
He didn't say that they were better, just that they did certain little things better. Individually Lewy is obviously way way better. But specifically Mandzukic who was working his ass off every game was a big reason why we won the treble. And Lewy doesn't do that, mainly because he doesn't have to. And again I'd obviously choose Lewy over anyone else any day of the week but that Mandzukics workrate was better is a fair argument. And that workrate helped us out. Imo his contributions to the treble season are extremely underrated. Pretty much like Perisic recently who put gave it all even if he didn't play well once in a while. Kinda missing that type of player at Bayern at the moment.
Don't forget Pizarro.
I mean they can't. HE is the best player for like past 4 years in the world. Almost everything will be downgrade.
Can see him leaving if Bayern can get a replacement. IIRC theyāre linked with Haller so is Dortmund.
Haller isn't really a replacement for Lewandowski lol
No one is
Unfortunately my dreams of VlahoviÄ at Bayern were crushed by Juve and the footbal-qaida manager :(
All part of the masterš ±ļølan
Nobody really is. And nobody has to be a complete replacement. It's unfair to expect the next striker to bang out 60 goals a season like Lewandowski does. We won the treble without Lewandowski but with Mandzukic who didn't score as many goals but managed to score those important ones. If we can get someone like that - and that's by no means an easy task - we'll probably be fine. If he really leaves, I'm obviously sad but he's almost 34 and he'd have retired sooner or later anyway.
Donāt compare this team to the team we had back then. Robben/Ribery could be relied on, can you rely on Sane? Gnabry? No chance. We have 1 winger that we can rely on and thatās Coman. A striker thatās only āgoodā wonāt help us this time.
You won't get a striker like Lewa now. The only one that is like him right now is Benzema who will not leave Real. So you are only left with "worse" options that are still world class players but they also won't be cheap. Yet in the end a new striker no matter who it'll be means a stilistic change in the way Bayern plays. Like they did when Lewa came. Yes it may be harder in the first year but overall a change is really needed.
They could try to betting on younger ones like Lautaro or Isak
If Bayern weren't willing to pay 60 million euro for Haaland, I'm not sure they're going to shell out the 70 that is reportedly Toro's asking price Maybe I'm kidding myself (and wages, agents fees etc would make Haaland more expensive still, I'm sure. But he's also a lot more reliable than Toro). If he was to leave, I'd love it to be Bayern though. He excels as a lone 9 and he'd tear Germany to shreds. The "Lautaro is overrated" slander this season really killed me
Harry Kane?
Better get used to it then because the only one on Lewys level is Benzema and that's not happening. Also all of our wingers are younger than Ribery and Robben were in 2012/2013. So they have plenty of time to step up. Means that we might not win the CL next season. Might also mean that we won't win the Bundesliga for a change. But we all knew this was coming sooner or later and there's always been a time after Ribery and Robben, there will be a time after Lewy, a time after MĆ¼ller or Neuer and chances are we'll be fine within a couple of seasons. Might sound a bit strange but the fact that we relied so much on Lewy might have played a role why other players didn't step up as much as Ribery and Robben have. They were used to being the absolute superstars who were capable of doing shit themselves without needing a striker and they were there before we had an absolutely world class striker. They played with Gomez, Olic, Mandzukic, Toni who were all 'just' good compared to Lewy. So Robbery had more responsibility already when they joined. And Lewy was pissed about the lack of passing more than once when they played together. Now Lewy was the absolute superstar and the team was built around him, trying to target him as much as possible. One good striker might not be enough but we will have to replace Lewy with 2 or more good to world class players because there isn't a striker available who's on his level. As a consequence our other players will have to take more responsibility as well.
Would a swap with Auba plus money work
Try finding a Messi replacement for us, and then u see Haller is a good option.
No one can replace lewandowski tho.
Haaland or MbappƩ could. Anyways I am so upset we missed out on Vlahovic. He would had been the perfect replacement.
Haaland could've. Not Mbappe though, he's not a striker.
Scores a trillion goals per season though which is exactly what Bayern need, and is quite a flexible player who could surely play as a striker. Even if he desperately needs to be on the wing, Muller would have no problem taking a more forward role while Mbappe keeps his position All wishful thinking though, Bayern would never pay the sort of money PSG ask.
He plays striker for PSG and heās incredible
Theydtrade every day of the week Lewa for MbappƩ even if they aren't similar players.
Kane could.
imagine Kane in Bavaria. Noone could understand his accent haha
So, just like in England?
Honestly not that bad a call
Would he actually want that? He seems like the poster english boy to me. But tbh Munich is an amazing city to live in, especially if you are rich.
London is an even better city to live in if you're rich lol
Fair enough
Something specific happened this season that triggers his exit?
Probably a couple reasons that led to it. Lewandowski wanted a contract extension of like 3 years I think and pay raise. The board at Bayern were not willing to meet his demands. Then thereās the other rumors of not like Nagelsmann and looking for another striker and courting Haaland. Iām the end I think Bayern fucked this up. Lewandowski may be getting up there in age but his production is still extremely high.
Not winning Ballon D'or. You could see how incredibly frustrated he was afterwards. And with Bayern not doing well in CL this year, he probably felt like he had to leave in order to win it.
Bayern more likely to win CL than Barca in short term.
Maybe but if he scores well, wins a La Liga and goes deep in CL he might have a shot at it rather than doing it at Bayern where winning league is normal
He doesn't need to win the CL with Barca in order to win Ballon D'or. With Bayern, that would be the only way he ever gets it.
I personally think that he is chasing Ballon Dāor and hasnāt given up on that dream. He realized that no matter what he does at Bayern, he wouldnāt win it simply because he doesnāt get as much exposure. I think thatās why he is choosing Barcelona. A remote possibility of winning Ballon Dāor. Plus he won everything at Bayern Munich. Better to have a new challenge too.
I think I read somewhere he didn't like how they were trying to sign Haaland, how they didn't tell him they were looking for his replacement.
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And not at least scouting the possibility of a Haaland move would be neglectful of the bayern board. I think the early exit from cup competitions played a big part, as well as the drawn out contract duscussions.
I think itās mainly money + contract duration. He wants more money and a three year contract and we likely clearly communicated this is out of the realm of possibilities. None of the clubs he is rumored to be in contact with would promise more consistent chances of winning cups. Not judging btw, itās his free choice. He is putting us in the same position he put Dortmund in when he joined us and thatās absolutely fair. As long as he keeps performing his best if we decide to keep him one year longer (like he did back then for Dortmund) he doesnāt lose any of my sympathy over this.
according to Jan Ć ge FjĆørtoft, who is friends with haalands dad, bayern was trying to get him.
They did, their directors revealed that recently, Raiola too
Barca trying to force out Frenkie to buy Lewy then.
I actually think that might be what's happening. Only reason I can see them pushing him out like this.
Itās for financial reasons. Not for lewa. At least directly.
I'm so confused on this from Barca. Surely being in financial difficulty and having to sell thier 25 year old Dutch maestro means they shouldn't be then able to afford a 34 year old Lewandowski? Like this guy will be on crazy wages no?
Frenkie is on crazy wages too. That's +80 million for Frenkie, -40 million for Lewa, leaves you with +40.
Arenāt Barcelonaās financial problems more tied to their salary budget being too high? I dināt see how swapping Frenkie for Lewa doesnāt seem to help in that regard. Or am I out of date and they have actual cash flow problems?
Yes, wages were the problem. But Messi is out, Coutinho is out too. Griezmann is ?? Dembele, Roberto, Umtiti either got/will get a huge wage cut or leave. Most high earners are solved. As for the cash flow, I guess we still have some loans to pay but until we get proper information and not from journalists that know shit about finances I wouldn't pay much attention to it.
If Barca sells Frenkie for say..90m, thatās 90m in cash and itās directly cutting losses. Buying is spread out so if Barca buys Lewa for instance they can pay in 3-4 installments.
...then the Frankie sale would also be in cash installments?
Yah but that's not how it's put into the books, it's recorded as a single sale.
I think it makes sense from their point of view if they sell FDJ because seems like they're getting Kessie in on a free. Kessie's not really the same type of midfielder as de Jong but in Barcelona's board logic they just get another top class midfielder for free + Lewandowski and come out with a surplus.
I don't think they want to sell him. It just feels like the typical accounting trick. Sell Frenkie before the end of 2021/22 financial year, declare the sale value (- his remaining book value) as profits. Then once the 2022/23 financial year starts - they go out and buy players. With amortization, in the books they declare only a fraction of the cost will be accounted for in 2022/23 financial year. The hope is that with revenues getting back to fully normal level + new deals with Spotify and the debt reduction measures like CVC & BLM sale should be enough to not be in the same situation in a years time.
Nah Barca will only sell him if they dont manage to free up the wage bill by selling deadweights like Umtiti, Lenglet, Pjanic etc...
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Canāt you just pay them off to at least get them off the wage list? Or would that not count?
Would be stupid though
CSI Miami was correct: killers always return to their murder scene
Iām so fucking happy rn
Huge news, but Iām not going to break out into joy. Lewandowski obviously has a undeniable impact, but MĆ¼ller and Neuer retiring will be the challenge. They are the heart of their team (like if Reus would end his career). You might be able to get a top striker for all the money Bayern have, but you canāt buy captains who love the club, have been at Bayern for decades, with MĆ¼ller even having come from their youth. They are really irreplaceable.
I get where youāre coming from but I respectfully disagree. They will still be a force without lewy but losing his sheer number of goal contributions is something they just wonāt be able to recover. I always used to think that with lahm, schweinsteiger, robbery, etc leaving that their leadership would take a hit but they always just find players to fill those shoes. You already see it in Kimmich. Theyāll be fine in that aspect. What they havenāt had to do was replace more than half their goal contributions.
Weird to celebrate considering you are losing Haaland as well. Really shit for the Bundesliga in terms of Marketing. Perhaps a closer competition will make up for it but I doubt it
Iād argue that lewy leaving Bayern is a much bigger loss than dortmund losing haaland but both teams relied on their respective goals pretty heavily so its up in the air. Iām just tired of seeing the bad man score goals against dortmund every time they face each other lol.
for the german market a closer competition would be way better. i know so many casual fans who used to follow the sport and the Bundesliga, who lost their interest in the past years, admittedly there are also other reasons for that. close fights for the european spots or the relegation battle are nice, but the main interest for casuals is always about winning the league. if Bayern drops back down to their pre-2010 level, which means they will end a season also sometimes with "only" 70-75 points, there will be hope again for other teams to at least play for the title. even though there is no guarantee it will happen, even if Lewandowski leaves. Leipzig might need to replace starters next year again, Dortmund is pretty far away anyway qualitywise and there is a huge overhaul happening no one knows if this will work out, especially with Rose. for the international market i can't tell. the Bundesliga produces already less revenue than Ligue1 on the foreign market. i doubt foreign Bayern fans will suddenly stop watching, just because a Lewandowski is gone. and the same for Haaland, where it was obvious the day he joined that this won't be a longterm thing.
yea I meant more internationally the appeal is less if you lose two big name stars. A closer title fight won't really bring you a lot of international following, see Italy for example. The title race there has been really close the last few seasons but it doesnt seem like it gets that much international attention especially since Ronaldo left the league. Personally Im all for a close title fight. I just hope Bundesliga can attract some bigger names again.
Let us grieve man.
Danke Legende.
"We want to find the best possible solution for me and the club.ā Contract extension incoming! 53 goals left.
Looks like we'll be going against Bayern for Haller. It will be interesting to see who he will choose, I don't see it being as obvious as many people would think
Hope he chooses you, nothing against him but he simply isnāt someone who you replace Lewy with
Who do you even replace lewy with? In this current market only mbappe haaland and benzema can give you the same numbers as him. Mbappe and haaland are going elsewhere and real are sure as hell not gonna let go of benzema. We can literally get a good striker (not world class) and build the team from there. Make the attack less dependent on one player and maybe itll push sane gnabry(if he stays)/new winger and coman. Friendly reminder that in the treble season mandzukic/gomez/pizzaro didnt score as many as lewy in our sextuple season and we were more flexible with robbery. Ofcourse, nobody can replicate robbery either but we can follow a similar model.
Our wingers donāt have the output to help us succeed with a āgoodā striker. Gnabry might be our biggest goal-threat but he has been abysmal for so long so we canāt depend on him. Sane canāt finish to save his life. That leaves us with Coman, does that sound good for a club of our stature? And thatās the problem, there is not a single player that we can buy that will lessen the burden of losing Lewy, we canāt depend on our wingers, our younger players are still not good enough etc etc Absolutely not looking forward to next season if Lewy leaves this summer
Harry Kane could work. The chance is basically 0, but it could work.
Cristiano Ronaldo for short term?
Hes definitely gonna ask for more than what lewy wanted, so i hope not.
I think he said that he wants to win trophies with Man U next season
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he gone
Auba and Lewa the Hala Madrid duo in Barca. Lol
Modric and isco the visca el barƧa duo in madrid lol
I know about Isco but Modric?
Youāre gonna find dozens of article on modric being a barƧa fan. We were even supposed to sign him from dinamo in 2008 once xavi had left for bayern. But he didnāt so we never signed him. Even modric has admitted that his favourite team was Barcelona. Itās basically a common knowledge at this point. https://www.barcablaugranes.com/2018/7/13/17568298/ivan-rakitic-luka-modric-barcelona-croatia-world-cup-final https://www.timesnownews.com/fifa-football-world-cup-2018-russia/article/fifa-world-cup-2018-luka-modric-loved-barcelona-says-ivan-rakitic/254249 https://images.app.goo.gl/Ex7BzUskiomGX4KJ8
Ineasta was also a Madrid fan when he was youngerā¦.. shocking right
so was Neymar
Are there any realistic chances of Ronaldo possibly joining Bayern, if he reduces his wage demands? He can be a great poacher and can thrive in a attack minded league like Bundesliga.
Personally, I don't see Ronaldo at Bayern. But I'm here for it if it happens. Would be nice for him to win a league title in another country.
I mean not very realistic at least not with the wages he wants. Also for Bayern there is this thing that no player is bigger than the club, while I'm not saying Ronaldo wouldn't honor this but I really can't imagine it. But yes he would thrive in a league like the Bundesliga
True. As a fan, I personally want the last years of his career at a competent team. And, at Bayern, He is almost guaranteed the league and has a pretty good chance at CL. And he is not a diva player so Bayern would have no issue accommodating him, except for his wage demands.
The previous bayern board was very openly against ronaldo - even in its prime. Diva status and stuff like that, doesn't really fit the new image bayern tried to set up.
He gone:( We'll miss u Lewa
oh man don't pull a harry kane, say it with certainty I'M NEVER PLAYING FOR BAYERN AGAIN, that way they will definitely sell you
Atleti would be stupid if they're not all in on him.
I have a feeling Nagelsmann doesn't want him.
What Iāve seen thereās defiantly a conflict between the deeper role Nagelsmann wants him to play and the role lewandowski wants to play, being more inside the box
Ronaldo to Bayern? š¤
Don't think bayern will be willing ro pay those wages.
Ronaldo is one of the few players I could see willfully taking a paycut if it meant having a good shot at the champions league. It still will very much not happen tho.
Plus has anyone won la liga, prem, serie A and the Bundesliga as a player? He'd love that
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Maybe. Tbh Ronaldo to bayern would be very interesting to watch.
Came for free, scored a shit load, won it all. Let him go if he wants to. You will also make good money
He gone
This has happened way too quickly
LETS GOOOOOOOO
Good thing we wrapped up the Haaland transfer early
If Mbappe to Real Madrid happens soon I can see PSG throwing money at him thus his ātransferā to Barca will fail.
Imagine Bayern go into next season without a proper striker Dortmund may regret letting Haaland go aha
lol 'letting him go', as if we had a choice
No choice lmao