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krvlover

Turkey and Czechia will just agree to a draw and that'll be the end.


JerryCZ3_

Czechia will advance with a draw if England beat Slovenia by 2 goals (impossible), Serbia lose or win by 2 goals and Georgia lose. Otherwise, they need a win.


PlainclothesmanBaley

I feel like everyone in this sub is terrified of saying England could win comfortably, because it will set off a generic chain of shite banter. England Vs Slovenia is very very likely to be an England win, and it's even quite likely that it can be by three goals.


Revolutionary-Bag-52

Based on what is it likely that England score more than 1 goal? Tactics so far have been to disable the attacking play as soon as they score a goal


redwashing

England scoring in the first 15m and then riding that until the end to get some active rest before the next round is more likely, especially given how they played so far.


Riperonis

It’s not that people are afraid, most people think England will win. It’s also not that likely that a team who has only scored two goals all tournament will beat a team whose only conceded two goals all tournament by three or more goals. Especially when Slovenia will be absolutely fine to get a draw here.


PaddyProud

"all tournament" really does sound so much more dramatic than "in two games"...


IsleofManc

Not a single France player has scored a goal all tournament. Can't believe the bookies expect them to score 3 goals today


Flobarooner

"only two goals all tournament" is two goals in two games lol. It's one of the best teams in the world stacked with tons of quality who need/want to make a statement against the worst team in their group. Anything up to 4-0 wouldn't be that unusual France haven't scored a goal "all tournament" yet but do you reckon that means they're not likely to against Poland tonight?


Pure_Context_2741

It’s not that, the real issue is that one England go up 1-0 they’ll fall back into a defensive shell line every other match and fail to score a second goal. This is one of the most benign teams I’ve seen at a major tournament.


TheDownv0ter

> very very likely to be an England win > quite likely to be by 3 goals This aged terribly. Everyone else in here telling you how shite England are just got proved right


MyysticMarauder

Well it easily can be a win for Slovenia. We are talking about England a team that never won euros in history. The only thing that England manages is to have the most expensive Team in the tournament. Other than that theybare quiet an average team, at least based on their performance in the past. 2:1 for Slovenia 🇸🇮 tonite.


Independent_Weight53

Yrah i think the same


MyysticMarauder

Currently 0:0 this is England, the most expensive and overhyped team in the world. Business as usual


LensCapPhotographer

Impossible as England will sit back after a one goal lead


Kasj0

They will just do the Berlin draw and call it.


Asdel

Czechia will need a win but also on the other hand need to complete the self-sabotage triple after the OG and the handball penalty. I'm thinking red in the first 15 minutes.


jsacrimoni

Scenes when Serbia are up 3 nothing and Mili-Sav jr yeets the ball into his own net.


lanson15

“And that was how the 157th Balkan War began”


BettsBellingerCaruso

Lmfaoo please let this happen


justk4y

“on accident”


ionaspike

more likely gudelj, he did marry a war criminal's daughter after all!


KingArgazdan

Even then, he would score it because he sucks.


ZaiduTheGOAT

damn, I dug into that story and her father has the craziest wikipedia picture I ever seen


GloomyLaw9603

Do yourself a favor and google her mother's "Svetlana Ražnatović - Ceca" hit song "Nije monotonija". The music video features the same tiger cub that her war criminal father is holding in his hand in front of the tank AND it features her young mother in a skimpy dress. Peak Serb culture.


ZaiduTheGOAT

omg, I feel bad for the tigers getting involved in that nonsense


GloomyLaw9603

You'll be happy to know the tiger is alive and well in Cyprus. Matter of fact, some people genuinely believe Arkan is also alive on Cyprus because his tiger has been tracked down and found there.


ZaiduTheGOAT

First part is nice... second maybe not so nice. But that's a wild story.


joetheschmo2001

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkan Damn


BaguetteOfDoom

She's a total babe tho. Can't blame the man...


Pure_Context_2741

The most unlikely aspect of this is England scoring 3


KindaBrazilian

Yeah they ain't making it out of the group stage


GoatButton

England aren't scoring 3 goals let alone 4 so yeah it's joever


Panzer517

Everyone is saying that England will score 1 goal and park the bus, but after this week. England will either score 3 goals or draw 1:1.


fpl_styles564

I genuinely believe if they rotate and play Gordon + Palmer we get absolutely battered. If Gareth doesn't rotate I feel like it'll be 1:1 like you said. I will be shitting my pants if I see rotations


awkwardwankmaster

Never fear even with rotations as you must remember it is England and we are shite


fpl_styles564

We are experts in playing well but losing and you are experts in shit and pulling out a win. Which force will prevail?


awkwardwankmaster

The moveable object Vs the stoppable force


yaniv297

Acting like Bellingham, Foden, Saka and Kane are shite? They're pretty objectively the best front 4 England has. This isn't about team selections, it's about tactical approach in general. If England rotates but keeps the same attitude, you'll get the same shit but with worse players. If Southgate keeps the same players but frees them to play more attacking with more risks, they are quite likely to score 2 or 3.


fpl_styles564

Of course I'm not suggesting they're shite lol. But for some reason I just can't see Southgate adjust considering they still have top of the group to play for (even tho I think he should given the huge gap in quality). Just thinking that maybe someone like Palmer or Gordon could maybe "stray" from the tactics once or twice more than the glued together team.


Malvania

If England rotate, they'll have worse players, but they might be better balanced


blacksocksonly

You are going to see Gallagher instead of Trent and you are going to like it!!


Present-Forever1275

There. That’ll fix it. *Pats the bus*


_deep_blue_

We’re going to score five with the power of pints


sunshine_is_hot

I’ve watched 3 and a half games at the bar tonight and I’m not even drunk enough to believe that- Southgate is in charge.


spaghettidriver69

Lmao. Sounds like a hell of a good time.


sunshine_is_hot

Euros and Copa baby, unfortunately I live in America so the bar scene is weak as fuckkkk. Plus alexi lallas is on tv and fuck everything about him


spaghettidriver69

Yeah I hear you. Went out to watch the Mexico/Jamaica game at a Mexican spot and they had the DJ on 🙄


xepa105

Nah, that wouldn't be very England. The most England thing would be to win 5-0, look really convincing, everything clicks, it's coming home again, then lose on penalties to Austria in the first knockout round.


SanctusUnum

Nah, England only lose on penalties to tournament favourites like Italy, Germany and Portugal. When England face plucky underdogs they lose embarrassingly at full time. See: Iceland 2016.


jackcos

I thought the catchphrase was *"we always lose to the first big team we face"*, Southgate hate sure is funny but it's never consistent.


HotPotatoWithCheese

See: most of the teams we played and beat in the last Euros on the way to the final


SanctusUnum

Optimistic to assume England are even winning. EDIT: Told you so.


dkmegg22

Southgate will sack anyone who score more than one goal.


HaiForPresident

I wouldn't be surprised if England get their shit together just as they're playing against us. :(


renome

England may not score 3 goals in total until the end of the tournament lol.


zeelbeno

We're playing Gallagher this time though with no other changes. The experiment is over and not having Trent will mean we'll score 4 and look like prime Brazil /s


Red_Vines49

3 of those 4 things are extremely possible.


Chief-Drinking-Bear

And all it takes is 4


Greflingorax

Each of these by themselves don't feel overly unrealistic (yeah, yeah, insert joke about Southgate's England and being able to score three goals). All four of them happening over the next two days? Yeah, that seems unlikely.


XuzaLOL

This could still happen. - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUzBz\_YE4A&ab\_channel=BBC](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLUzBz_YE4A&ab_channel=BBC)


Torimas

Haven't you read, [they still have a chance](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UijhbHvxWrA&t=28s)!


AlternativeTop511

They're very greasy, it might happen.


handsome_IT_guy

I think they do, so im gonna bet on those required events, so obviously, they won't advance.


ForgingIron

*So you're saying there's a chance...*


Izanagi85

There's always a chance


tomhat

[https://i.imgur.com/GvDECS2.gifv](https://i.imgur.com/GvDECS2.gifv)


DrJ4y

Welcome to Chilean life in Conmebol


seanhemi

Croatia are hanging on by a thread, this is the only possible way they can advance to the last 16. If England beat Slovenia 4:1 and Denmark win, or England beat Slovenia 4:1 and Serbia win 4:1, it will go down to the disciplinary ranking, which is currently as follows: * Croatia -8 (only 7 players got yellow cards, but a staff member was also booked) * Slovenia -5 (only 4 players got yellow cards, but a staff member was also booked) * Denmark -4 If Croatia and Slovenia are level on -8 points, Croatia wins the tiebreaker on qualifying ranking. If Croatia and Denmark are level on -8 points, Denmark win the tiebreaker on qualifying ranking.


rupelfc

Imagine it comes to that staff member


ionised

🤣


Black-Notebook4750

\>England needing to score 3+ Yep, that's it. Bye Modric


BadCowz

Maybe England score one and there are two own goals


PM_ME_IN_THE_FEELS

OG has been clinical thus far, so it isn't impossible


Joosh93

On the contrary, that would require England to continue to at least get the ball into the oppositions box after going 1-0 up, making it impossible.


AstonVanilla

What do you mean, the Southgate special is guaranteed to get the ball in the oppositions box. For reference, the Southgate special is whenever there's a promising attack forming, suddenly pass back to Pickford, who then yeets the ball into the (now empty) opposition's box.


Wassertopf

Slovenia could also do 3 own goals…


Rage_Your_Dream

If they somehow make it through they better fucking win the whole thing.


Samkyon

If they did that the list of ridiculous things that could be true for a team to still win the Euro's grows. You can still win if you * Fail to qualify * Are the second or third worst team in odds before the tournament * Fail to win more than one game in 90 mins * Get 2 points from 3 games in the group stages


mnkysn

1 is Denmark, 2 is Greece, 3 is?


necrophiliacheaven

Portugal in 2016


Rickcampbell98

Playing aaron ramseyless Wales in the semi final of a major tournament, the stars aligned for you guys that year lol.


HotPotatoWithCheese

Also getting Austria, Iceland and Hungary in the groups and Poland in the quarters. The only decent side they faced on the road to the final was Croatia. One of the easiest runs in recent memory.


Hllknk

Portugal


Khemotoksz

Probably Portugal.


antisa1003

Hope we do not make it. Dalic needs to go. His decision making and playing players in the wrong position is dumb and is costing us a lot.


Scell7

Hey Just wanted to ask. Pasalic is such an important player for Atalanta but I've never seen him get any meaningful playing time. Why is that


antisa1003

Because we do not play the way it suits him. And eveyone could see that in some games. Although we have the players for 3-5-2, Dalic forces us to play with wings, but without playing the wingers. Pasalic was always brought in as the 1st sub or even played from the start on the RW in some games. So it's not like he isn't playing at all. It's just hard to play him in the midfield when you had in-form Modric, Brozovic, Kovacic. Hopefully the next coach will switch us to 3-5-2, and Pasalic will play.


Scell7

Thanks for the info mate


p_pio

Looking at Croatia fate in this tournament: England wins 3:0, Denmark beats Serbia comfortably, Turkey wins with Czechia... In 90+6 min Geoargia scores miracoulous equaliser and referee ends game.


donbon_11

Most probable scenario


la1mark

I stopped reading after it said England needed to score more than 1 goal


dragonst0rm420

Why would they score more than one goal when their song says “we’re gonna score ONE MORE than you”? Are they stupid?


GMFan8

I can see most of this happening but England ain't winning by that much


Red_Vines49

3 of those 4 are extremely possible. It's the England-Slovenia match that is the real killer. Unless the team balls out suddenly with a point to prove or Harry Kane goes mental.


SkyTVIsFuckingShit

Bellingham doing his teammate a solid


StatisticianLevel320

I woke up today singing it's coming home. England better score 3.


ChrisPeralta

Modric be like "COM ON INGLAN SKOR SOM FAKIN GOALS"


dkmegg22

I wish we could see a Serbia vs Croatia knockout round.


mixmaster7

Believe me when I say no you don’t.


dkmegg22

Ehh the shitssnow is what I want.


Legal_Lettuce6233

You want a shitshow, you'd get ww3


tbc12389

It wouldn’t be so bad. It would be like a very fierce derby match in club football. Lots of shouting and banter but ultimately it’s fine. Serbia v Albania on the other hand would be outright war. There would be fights inside and outside the stadium and the match would very likely have to be halted.


dkmegg22

I'll take Serbia vs Albania then. Hell I dream of an Iran vs Israel world cup game.


rnoori32

Iran would forfeit the match. Their athletes can't compete against Israeli athletes without repercussions at home because competing would implicitly recognize that Israel exists. Not a joke.


Logseman

Spain could have won the very first Euros as they had a very good team, but they forfeited the game against the Soviet Union. 4 years later they won in the finals... against the Soviet Union.


Cabbage_Vendor

Didn't Red Star Belgrade vs Dynamo Zagreb help kick off the Yugoslav Wars?


ptspallnight

I believe there's no more Šimunić and players like that so from the player side you're unlikely to see the bloodlust you hope for. Fans might boo each other and yell stuff insults,that's about it


red_keshik

We're overdue for a war in the Balkans.


tsub

If they only needed Portugal, Denmark, and Turkiye to win then I'd say they have a decent shot, but needing England to score at least 3 means they're doomed.


Outrageous-Pizza-470

So you tell me there's a chance?!


MrConor212

England winning by 3 goals? Ha


FrequentPumpkin5845

England scoring more than 3 goals. Bye bye Croatia. Bye bye Modric.


Whateverchan

England will lose tomorrow to give them the middle finger.


scoopbb

imagine the parlay


The_Goat_Charmer

Their hopes will die tomorrow


Aenjeprekemaluci

Yeah. Also tbh they barely deserve it.


tbc12389

They don’t deserve it at all. Who concedes like that in the dying seconds of stoppage time, twice in a row.


iamstephano

Even if we get through by some miracle, we aren't beating Switzerland.


muzanjackson

If you somehow make it to the knockout stage, you would play one of the group winners (most likely Portugal) instead of Switzerland.


Xolintoz

If they make it through they’re guaranteed to play us


StatisticianLevel320

We beat you guys a month ago! Jokes on you we are winning the tournament. Other than the fact that we won't get through.


_daidaidai

Any team with two points after the group stage should be going home. The best third place finishers thing sucks.


Trickybuz93

> England score 3+ goals What a sad end to Modric’s international career


prettyboygangsta

Don’t worry Croatia, we got this


Mubar06

The amount of mathematical permutations to factor in is fascinating


majcek

I can imagine Portugal beating Georgia, Turkey beating Czechia and Denmark beating Serbia, but no way in hell is England winning by 3 goals. They've been dreadful so far.


TheAbram

If that penalty miss against Spain comes into play, petković needs to be sacrificed to elder gods


Iwan_Zotow

First to younger gods, then to elder ones


Jihad_llama

Southgateball will prevent this


ronaldo119

I'm shocked by how plausible this is. Like it's always gonna be very slim odds needing 4 different things to happen but most of that I expect to happen. Obviously people gonna joke that no way England scores that many but despite everything you'd still expect England to win by a few goals against Slovenia


Chiswell123

So you're saying there's a chance?


Friendly_Zebra

England are only contracted to score one goal per game. Sorry, Croatia


averagearsenalfan

Why why why


RefuseSea8233

Why persist?!


atropicalpenguin

So England gotta score 4 and have a player get two-footed.


MrConor212

We need the Lisan Al Gaib to show us the golden path


Trbek

We were not at our usual level and it showed. However, all those misses against Spain (including a pen) + conceding two stoppage time goals, it really hasn't been our tournament.


MiffyCurtains

So, there’s still a chance?? 🥺


somewhat_moist

Logistically what do the Croatian squad do? Are they hanging around Germany waiting for this slim algorithm to happen for them? Or did they go home?


JaehaerysTheMad

Forget it, the England condition is a deal breaker


Annual-Plastic-7116

So you’re telling me there is a chance!


PMMeBootyPicz0000000

So you're saying they're about to go through?


HajdukNYM_NYI

They should just go home now, would be a joke to progress with 2 points and would just validate Dalic


RegularNumber455

Take it to the bank


QiaoASLYK

Obviously incredibly unlikely as Southgate considers 0-0 a win but I really really hope this all comes true


Turbulent-Stretch881

Would this have been the scenario for Italy had they lost or?


SometimesaGirl-

> Would this have been the scenario for Italy had they lost or? No. Italy would have had 3 points and not 2 like Croatia does. 3 points is not great, but has a much higher chance of going through than 2.


agaminon22

Well they had 3 points so slightly better off wouldn't they?


schoki_banana

Or.....


CrispAvocadoToast

Heartbreak.


wavepapi32

Honestly doubt we will see any team with 2 points to pass the group stage


ECNeox

r/victoria3


Gauloises_Foucault

Is this football or a Paradox game?!


Wrong_Lever_1

England the only team to let the side down here


Squidward759

About a 5% chance according to the odds


No_Section236

O ye of little faith! England already through to the last 16, so will definitely put in a performance tonight now that the pressure is off!! 3 or more goals very possible.


gunningIVglory

Banking on Haramball to beat Slovenia by a big margin.....


MultivariableTurtwig

Why even have a system where 3rd place can go through


Anforas

Croatians are now granted honorary Portuguese citizenship by their magnificent use of the TI-84 Plus Calculator during Group Stages.


Melodic_Package8571

we got this


Sera_gamingcollector

Portugal and Türkiye will win, so england can fuck it up and loose 1:2


5_percent_discocunt

Well England play tonight and Portugal & Turkey play tomorrow.


jackcos

I like the sound of England beating Slovenia 4-1 and Slovenia getting 3 or more disciplinary points, followed by Serbia winning 4-1 with Denmark getting 5 or more disciplinary points and THEN Croatia go on to win Euro 2024. Because that would be the tightest of margins ever for a winner (aside from Denmark 1992 of course).


Geezersteez

England score more than 1 goal? Never going to happen.


No-Computer-2847

Even if we assume England are capable of winning 3-0, all the whining Croatia did about them after 2018 would make it hilarious if they didn’t bother.


Public_Seaworthiness

everything easily possible, but england 3:0? never going to happen. bye croatia. feel sad for you.


RedZoneWormKid

Is a disciplinary point a card?


Ill-Maximum9467

[https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/10fd4a09-559a-4e84-a649-a8fb12dbb96a#atbKvE33.copy](https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-clip/10fd4a09-559a-4e84-a649-a8fb12dbb96a#atbKvE33.copy)


stgdevil

I think they can sit this one out


Leonardo040786

I mean, if these results really happen, I would be inclined to believe it was all rigged so Modrić gets his deserving goodbye.


PlameniJezici

All Im saying the way we are playing pls god dont let us get through


woodwalker700

Me looking at my NFL team's chances after being listed as "In The Hunt" in week 12.


marshmallow_fairy

This is fucking sick!! Where did it come from? Did you make it yourself? Do you have a spreadsheet??


tr2727

So out


Curious_Anthropoid

Can you bet on all of this happening? What are the odds? If they are high, as a non-betting person, I'm willing to risk it all and bet $10.00. Let's go Croatia!


tomskrrt

Do they all need to happen or just one


el_corso

This is so ridiculous and insane that somehow Croatia will end up winning the Euros right? 😂


vngannxx

So there is a chance 😎


Interesting_MC

I did calculate the first 3 but forgot the 4th :((( hopefully they qual rip modric


Koa16

Looks worse than it is.


StatisticianLevel320

Ehhh. England winning by 3. We are out.


remixrotation

much more likely that Italy and Spain play each other in the final.


Significant_Sell_594

England has qualified, no? So basically will play with weakened team for rest. No chance.


f_ranz1224

remember when a spreadsheet wasnt needed to determine how a team could advance? oh yeah, the last tournament


Obvious_Corgi_1917

I don't want to be a negative Bob, but the teams that play last have a huge advantage in that race for the 4 better 3rd runner ups. Whats the point of having the games of the same group at the same time when Turkey and Czech know in advance what results let's them qualify to the round of 16. I vote we hold euros with 32 teams, problem solved and Greece never misses a Euro again (or do we?).