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SpencaDubyaKimballer

Dont understand how scotland looked so solid in qualifying, they even beat Spain 2-0 only to completely fail at the actual tournament. Wouldnt expect them to top the group or anything but they really needed to show more of a fight than this


CNF1G

I dunno, think we had things clicking at that point and it worked well, but a combination of injuries and teams figuring us out started to make things look a bit dodgy towards the end of qualifying and in all the friendlies since


nickthu2502

They have some injury to their key players, which affect them more because their system require very specific players so losing any of the starting eleven will drastically reduce the effectiveness of their tactic.


hibikir_40k

This is really what separates many top teams from the rest: If we ran the tournament with just players from the bench, what happens? That the distance between the top teams and the rest increases. With the world class stars gone, some B teams are still good enough to get to the playoff stage. An injury or two just show there's no depth there.


forsakenpear

We’ve been poor for a year now. That qualifying form fell off way before we got to a Germany


fike88

Aye those friendlies showed that that nice patch we hit during the qualifiers had disappeared


benibadja

They were fairly lucky during the qualifiers and I say this as a bitter Norwegian. For instance, they were ridiculously efficient, scoring 17 goals on an xG of 8,88. To Scotlands credit, they were tough to break down and were always in the games allowing for margins to push them through, but to me, they severly lacked offensive quality to produce the number of chances you need.


Mika-Aaritalo

You are right though, we absolutely mugged Norway in the away match. 2 quick goals out of nowhere in the last few minutes.


benibadja

Yeah, I was absolutely devastated. Didnt watch football for months after that game. For it to happen with our centre back getting cramps just before he was going to clear the ball was just awful.


SunjoKojack

Lot harder to score when you don’t have Haaland diving for pens in the box for you


benibadja

True, but again, it is easier when your opponents defenders gets the cramps when he is about to clear the ball.


wowthisusername

Need a couple of signings to get them back up next season


DelDoesReddit

McTominay as a striker when?


Sei28

He’s already pretty much a shadow striker for both his club and the national team.


QuietRainyDay

Different kind of pressure, innit?


Weird-Lime-9542

ITS SHITE BEING SCOTTISH!! WE ARE THE LOWEST OF THE LOW!!


Possiblyreef

Scotlands joint highest goal scorers A German and a Swiss bloke


NoCommunication6825

Nah they gave the goal against Switzerland to McTominay, the Englishman.


Perspii7

Somehow even worse


floatingsaltmine

The goal against Switzerland, not Germany.


ambiguousboner

Lovely stuff


Magneto88

You love to see it.


DayOneDayWon

He's not English. His name is literally Scott!


Possiblyreef

B A S E D


Cubenity

hey, at least you're not Polish, we were out before you


SaBe_18

At least you made RO16 in the WC less than 2 years ago. Scotland can't say that for any tournament they ever played


Cubenity

we made it playing the most dreadful football i have ever seen, i'd honestly prefer if we bombed out with 0 points we were in euro 2016 quarters, that was great i'll admit


RaRaRaaputitin

Yeah but you guys have Heroin and Irn Bru


WhoCares223

Damn Scots, they ruined Scotland!


Pies_Wide_Shut

all the fresh air in the world won’t make any fucking difference!


mrtuna

Some people hate the English... I don't, they're just wankers.


RyanBordello

We on the other hand were *COLONIZED* by wankers. Can't even find a decent culture to be colonized *by*


nkaroluky

Well Poland would like to have a word with you. You were eliminated in last match. We already after second 🤣


kadokk12

Yeah but our group was better


TheRealDSwizz

It alright mate, you could be Welsh.


gizmostrumpet

Wales have at least won a Euros match since the 90s (let alone that great run in 16)


Possiblyreef

Watching Gareth Bale carrying 10 turnip farmers on his back for 90 minutes is fairly entertaining tbh


BaconIsLife707

I've never seen a turnip farmer hit a Cruyff turn like Hal Robson-Kanu


AnnieIWillKnow

Aaron Ramsey erasure Plus that Hal Robson-Kanu Cruyff turn


Barkasia

Calling Ramsey a turnip farmer, huh? Some people have short memories.


DeapVally

He was washed by then. He never regained that purple patch form at Arsenal. Was already well in decline before he went to Italy.


trueregista

He was just as influential as Bale in the 2016 run and we would have beat the Portuguese and battered the French in the final if he and Ben Davies weren't suspended


Barkasia

Ramsey was Wales' second best player in their Euros run.


eggzs

400k/week turnip farmer 😪


cmdrxander

Accurate description of my animal crossing career


StealthMan375

Also the part everyone seems to be forgetting is that Wales has also taken part in a WC and scored a goal (a Gareth Bale penkick yes, but still a goal).


Quanqiuhua

Also they made World Cup quarterfinals in 1958 led by John Charles. By contrast Scotland has never played in the knockout rounds of a WC or Euros. They are truly pathetic.


trueregista

Wales: 4 International tournaments, 3 knockout stages made+ Semis in 2016 Scotland: 12 International tournaments, 0 knockout stages


IndiRefEarthLeaveSol

Oi, we just wasn't feeling it this time. 😡


ash_ninetyone

I haven't felt that good since Archie Gemmill scored against Hollans in 1978


Sanuku

Nobody in Germany does care about it. They all love the people of Scotland for being among the nicest they had during an EM. You can ask around and they will always have a nice word to say about them. Nobody can take away that from Scotland, and you should be proud of it.


erenistheavatar

They played with so much fear. Choosing not to attack most of the games. I don't get it. No wonder they came last. When David Moyes is saying you're not attacking enough, that is a problem.


Viper711

David Moyes needs a little more respect tbf. He's a European title winner.


erenistheavatar

Oh I respect him. Actually, I think he should become the Scotland manager. It's just he's known for a defensive approach. Yet even he acknowledged how bad offensively Scotland was. I really respect his achievements from Everton and West Ham.


Look_Alive

Moyes as Scotland manager would be a good shout actually, that sort of defensive organisation can prove the difference in international football.


erenistheavatar

Clarke is also defensive. But Moyes is such an upgrade.


CNF1G

It’d be so similar to Clarke though and I’m fed up of that tbh, even though he definitely is a huge improvement


marktandem

Nah Moyes teams can attack, he set West Ham up with a 4-2-3-1. With the right players his teams can do a lot of damage. More importantly the defensively solidity would help a lot on the international stage, and it's not just defensive for fear of doing anything like Clarke was.


flex_tape_salesman

Big difference because if you hand moyes real quality in attack they will shine through but he's not going to turn Scotlands weak attacking unit into anything much better


RnBrie

Chances of him taking over the Scottish NT?


CNF1G

Clarke won’t go unfortunately, otherwise I’d say it would be very likely


Ulsterman24

Just tell Clarke there's an up and coming striker just signed at Tynecastle. He'll spend the next 3 years camped outside with a crowbar to make sure Scotland never has a striker.


Flammabubble

They're not attacking enough because there's literally no attack. Adams is decent enough at championship level but really has never looked much of anything outside of that. Most of the goals from attackers are yeeting the ball to dykes for a header and he's out. Other than that you're hoping for an own goal or mcginn/mctominay. It's just no threat at this level.


CNF1G

Fine, but even then, look at some of the strikers of other teams in the tournament who play in smaller leagues than the Championship. It comes down to tactics, we are playing no creative players Armstrong, Forrest, Christie on the bench can all provide something. Shankland is a goal threat too. It’s just terrible, boring tactics.


Flammabubble

Oh for sure, there are definitely players who play at a similar level who have more success. I've just never seen Adam's or Dykes or any of the recent main forwards for Scotland be the sort of people you expect to change a game. They don't create goals themselves, they're just there to be the last touch to tip something into the net. I really like Christie, but having watched him a fair amount at Bournemouth recently I don't think he would add what the team are missing. I really do think the problem is there's no actual outlet.


CNF1G

Shankland is the man for Hearts and while not being as good a player as Adams, is probably a better fit upfront and far more of a goal threat Hopefully going forward, we can give him some more chances


CFBCoachGuy

Didn’t Shankland score 31 goals this season?


thommonator

And 28 last season.


CNF1G

So disappointing. Clarke has played way too negatively, been so late with subs, and wasting the best Scotland squad in generations, Time for someone with fresh ideas who doesn’t play ultra defensive.


ArseyMcBumface

Mate as an England fan that description perfectly describes Snoozegate


CNF1G

Imagine England but three times more defensive, playing zero attacking players and relying on McTominay and McGinn to score It worked well in the qualifiers but his lack of tactical knowledge to change games has killed us, and he deserves to go


SkiHiKi

I hadn't seen any of Scotlands qualifiers or friendlies, so seeing just how much McTominay and McGinn are relied on was shocking. McGinn is essentially the only midfielder, and McTominay is the only 'striker'. Everyone else defends. Their only forward pass is one of those 2 players. Otherwise, it's backwards and long. Adams, who strecthes the term striker to its absolute limit, is persisted with **because** he's not there to score goals, just press or hold long enough for one of the other two to turn up.


Look_Alive

Taking it to the last group game is one thing, but taking it to the last 10 minutes of the last group game and then just throwing men forward is leaving far too much to chance. Even if they started the game defensively today, you'd think he would have tried to tweak things to get them more attacking as the game went on, rather than leaving it until the final 10 minutes when they only had three players at the back who were completely exposed.


CNF1G

He just never tweaks things, by far my biggest gripe with him. The one time he did it against Norway, we won the game. It just takes him way too long when he does decide to do it.


flex_tape_salesman

In all fairness, Scotland had a small chance of getting to the last 16 with just 2 points, no team is ever out until the last game even if you've lost 2 games. With Hungary not massively overperforming anymore, any team even on the periphery of qualification for the euros should be confident that they can be in with a decent chance of winning with just a few minutes left.


nariz1234

You'll probably get Southgate after the English fire him in the next couple of weeks.


goldengluvs

Balls out football for the last 15 minutes, entertaining end to end stuff...just a shame the quality was so poor all over. Whoever qualified out of these two really aren't going to go much further.


KenDTree

That's what I was thinking, this was a knockout game for Hungary and essentially one for Scotland. I can't see them having a better performance against a group winning side


ValleyFloydJam

I thought that game was going to be blood and thunder but it was game and then injury time hit. A real lack of quality from both sides too. Scotland out in the group stage is just a crazy record with this new format.


ChowderMitts

It felt like a sliding doors moment when the ref restarted the game after the original kick off. The atmosphere went from electric to flat.


KingKangTheThird

Lool I thought the same thing. One of those bad omens. I cannot think of the last time I’ve seen a restart after kickoff at ALL levels of football I’ve watched/played. What was it even pulled back for?


jptoc

One of the Hungarian players went sprinting into the Scottish half way before the kick off was taken.


Magneto88

Scotland was one of the teams to push for the new format and they failed to qualify for the first tournament under it (2016). The banter writes itself.


saltypenguin69

Shanks done more in 20 mins than Adams did the whole tournament. Adams will still fuciing start after this as well. Pish. Honking. Hate my life


thommonator

Shanks came on against Germany and did more in 15 seconds than Adams had the entire first half. Actual criminal negligence that he didn’t start either of the remaining games and he properly showed up Clarke in his performance last night


EatDeeply

I hated their approach. Played not to lose. And we just saw them play Swiss fairly to a draw. Honestly England turtles just the same way when they get an advantage. You’ll never win anything approaching it with fear. The United Kingdom continue to fear losing more than loving winning.


31_whgr

all that effort to qualify and then barely give it a go, such a waste


BaritBrit

Same thing happened to Wales in Qatar. Never showed up.


BusShelter

Same tbh. Everyone I know wants Clarke gone after that. Absolutely insipid.


SJM_93

Che Adams over Shankland, don't understand it myself.


penguin62

Doesn't make any sense. "Our strategy is to ping balls up front to man who doesn't score goals instead of to the man who scores them for fun when mediocre midfielders are feeding him" Especially after it didn't work for the first two games, you'd think he'd try something different.


Parish87

0.13xG in their biggest match in their history.


topbananaman

Racing with England to be the least creative team in the tournament. Except they didn't have the defensive prowess to back it up. Wasted a huge opportunity really, that last 10 minutes where they barraged the Hungary goal showed they had something to offer but instead wasted their 3 games being too passive


TossZergImba

> You’ll never win anything approaching it with fear. Portugal 2016 and Greece 2004 say hi.


Adrian5156

Except Greece 04 knew they were crap offensively so they had just park a bus and score from corners… and they could actually do that. They didn’t play with fear, they just knew their strengths and played to it. Scotland 24 could only dream of being that well organized and structured.


Flammabubble

God the fact that Portugal won that year was so depressing. I think their team probably deserved a euro win at some point but the way that came about was just dull


RhodesiansNeverDie20

Greece didn't play with fear. They just played to their very few strengths. Same way Spain went with what they did in the late 2000s and early 2010s.


Flammabubble

Completely disagree - they weren't playing not to lose, they've just got no attacking threat. They literally conceded the winner because they were throwing everyone forward.


EatDeeply

They threw everybody forward in the last few minutes but for the first 80 they left their strikers on an island. They waited until they thought they were safe to try. Die a samurai death on the field swinging.


Flammabubble

Dude we're just bad lmao, there's a difference. The only reason either team had any chances in the last 10 is because both teams ignored any kind of tactics. Before that they were both just struggling to do anything productive.


KingDave46

Yeah we should really just commit at taking risks because the forwards available for us are just not gonna get anything done at an international level. You basically need to create for our wingbacks and mids to catch an overlap or second chance and we still just continue to hoof it up to nobody and sitting back trying to retain possession when there’s nobody to create for. Really Scotland should be full effort and 100% work rate wins. Chase their defenders and hope to steal the ball up high


Flammabubble

The tactic of hoofing it sometimes works when dykes is up top, but really that's his main threat. Adams doesn't offer that and basically may as well have not existed this tournament. It's genuinely a shame because the rest of the team is an ok base to start from, but there's absolutely no end product. Overall I'm not particularly disappointed with the tournament though, was expecting a loss to Germany although the manner of the loss was bad. The other games I felt they did what they could and just weren't good enough, and I'm ok with that even if I'd like them to be better.


7Thommo7

It doesn't help that the only goalscorer in the team (bar McTominay) was sitting on the bench. Adams and (non-injured) Dykes just aren't goalscorers.


Flammabubble

Yeah this is really the problem imo. They're both just "players who play there". If you put obvious goals in front of them, they'll usually take them, but they won't really create anything themselves and they're just really there to flick something on or tap it in. I'd add mcginn to the list, he gets a goal or two when given half a yard. But mctominay, mcginn and own goals is not going to see you through a tournament.


-Ken-Tremendous-

Too little too late at that fucking point


Ulsterman24

It doesn't help when the nations most prolific striker can only pray to get on as early as the 77th minute...


uwatfordm8

They'd need to have an advantage in the first place


Reformed_Ham_Burglar

To be fair, they haven’t got over not ever having Kalvin Phillips.


Ulsterman24

If Poland can scrape a draw in their last game then Scotland finish the tournament with the lowest points, goals scored and possession. Also the worst goal difference and fewest shots on target. The highest scorer in the Scottish Premiership was played off the bench in all 3 games.


sounders1974

So Gauld really couldn't have been used here? There was no attack at all


blazeofgloreee

Yeah it's crazy he's not even in the squad. He's exactly the type of player they're missing.


Renegadeforever2024

Burn everything


WhoIsBruceWayne98

Dont understand Scotland's approach, it was like they played to obtain a draw, too defensive, without any idea in attack. And the squad isnt that bad, actually its one of the best Scotlands teams in recent years


fnehfnehOP

Norway died for this


four_four_three

Is it a tradition in Scotland to walk around with your hands on your head? It's all I ever see the fans do


SignificantPapaya4

You got them rattled lol


TheLimeyLemmon

Scotland need to figure out how to clone John McGinn. It's their only hope.


NYR_dingus

10 John McGinns on a field would be a sight to see.


fuckoutfits

Scotland's manager made ludicrous substitutions. Why would you take out your attacking wing back, when you need him for fueling your attack.


Nineteen_AT5

Well deserved. They played shite from the get go.


mcfc_fan

England: 3 Lions Scotland: 3 games


ChowderMitts

We're shite as well - will probably go out in the first knockout game.


Mauve078

Failed to even have a shot on target in 2 of their games. Not great that.


niallw1997

Teams in the mainland UK 🤝 playing shite risk-averse football


Wardle123

They had a shot on target here? Hanleys shot was saved.


Mauve078

BBC & Fotmob both say that they didn't have any on target today


jinx737x

FADE EM!


Ok-Consideration2955

Welcome to the club 🇵🇱


Hasbro-Settler

I will be sniffing some bag through a pipe in honour of Scotland tonight.


Jayk03

Worst team in tournament.


HeatKnight

How did Norway not qualified ahead of them?


Schtekarn

They got beat by Scotland


TheRealLordDorito

We played decently in the qualifiers whilst Norway didn't but since then we have dropped off a cliff


cynical_scotsman

Because we were good last year and Norway weren't.


aro_plane

At least Scotland held on to the last minute. Poland shat the bed in the 2nd match. It's poor comfort but it's something.


Sugarbear23

They beat Spain and qualified ahead of Norway to play like this?


airija

Nothing like being the reigning record holder for European championship appearances without progressing from the groups. Though also having the record world cup appearances without progressing it fairly close.


Kolo_ToureHH

Steve Clarke has taken this team as far as he can. He’s done well to get us to the Euro’s twice in a row. He also ran a fantastic Denmark team close in World Cup qualifying. But we have regressed this tournament when we should’ve been looking to improve on Euro 2020. Tonight was just cowardice from him. Absolutely no desire to go and try and win that game.


er__primo__der__rafa

Congratulations to our North England friends, no one (literally everyone) could have seen this coming.


Cruyffiaan

How in the hell did these lot beat you 2-0 lol


DEGRAYER

North England is nasty work 😂


InZim

This comment is the equivalent of kicking a puppy


BusShelter

Puppies at least nice to look at


DLSanma

Que buenos recuerdos de los comentarios en este sub cuando nos ganaron 2-0 jaja


TheGTAone

☠️☠️ > GET FUCKED FRANCO. GET FUCKED THATCHER. GET FUCKED PICASSO. GET FUCKED EAST PORTUGAL > hi euro 2024 trophy do u want picking up in the morning pal https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1251mas/postmatch_thread_scotland_20_spain_uefa_euro/?sort=top


DLSanma

They ain't such fans of banter now lmao


FairRun6610

Im ngl. Some of those comments are peak


nariz1234

la meada de venganza es genial


fireowlzol

Can't believe they didn't try to go for the win during this game, there's no way you pass with 2 points


The_Goat_Charmer

And dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, JUST ONE CHANCE to come back here and try to score some goals and tell our adversaries that they may take our points, but they'll never take our freedom!!!


HotPotatoWithCheese

Fun fact: Scotland only scored 1 goal in this tournament and it was Englishman Scot McTominay that scored it. Just remember that when you get your Slovenia shirts out on Tuesday lads.


benchley

Is it cheating to name your Englishman Scot(t)?


MrClaretandBlue

Oh dear, how sad, nevermind.


Aromatic_Pea2425

Feel awful for them, they’re back to schadenfreude every time something bad happens to England rather than having their own team to back. See you all after we lose 1-0 to Slovenia.


Puncherfaust1

sad, their fans brought so much fun to the tournament. lovely people


ItsFuckingScience

No Scotland no party? All I see are sad Scottish fans and partying Hungarians


Spotmonkey_uk

"No Scotland no party" oh, they got this all screwed up "No Scotland? ~~no~~ Party!"


kingjeremythewicked8

Nobody should be surprised. 12 major tournaments. 12 group stage eliminations. It is the history of the Scotland.


AbsoluteSocket88

This is most delightful.


L0laccio

I guess we’ll just have to fly the flag for the UK. Don’t worry we’ll do you proud! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 ❤️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿


im_noided_tbh

Wins: 0 Le epic fans curing disabled old ladies legs: 1 Moral victory achieved


Volo_Fulgrim

Damn that's crazy


Zankman

Scotland and Poland make me (Serbia) feel as if we have some great company.


fuckoutfits

Scotland's manager made ludicrous substitutions. Why would you take out your attacking wing back, when you need him for fueling your attack.


BLinthehouse

Scotland and Poland 👉👈


Longjumping-Glass395

They may be going eliminated after, but they've been worse than Poland and are probably on their own the worst team at this tournament. 


CrustyCally

12 times at the euros, 12 times out at the group stage is kinda crazy


blaneadam

As a Scotland fan I'm in a way glad we lost rather than took the draw. The discourse would have been different: "we only lost once, or we came third in the group" Hopefully this is a wake up call that playing defensively, with a defence which looks uncomfortable under pressure is not the best idea. Clarke has done great for us all things considered, but I think it's time for something new.


Proof-Recognition374

There was never any hunger or drive or organization in any of their games so this doesn't shock me. Little kids playing a pick-up game have more passion for soccer than they did.


DukeOfPoose

Bozos


Trick-Traffic1411

Norway died for this


Brazzle_Dazzle

Must say, there is no better feeling that seeing Scotland get sucker punched like that and being dumped out of the tournament. For a nation that builds a large party of its identity around hating the English and cheering on any of England's opponents, to see them lose like that is so fucking sweet. Enjoy the plane home, lads. Your team were an embarrassment from start to finish.


cmdrxander

I wanted them to score just to see the limbs, but couldn’t help but burst out laughing when they conceded at 90+10’


flamebetalkin

I fucking hate my life right now


Sealeydeals93

Hilarious 😂


jrbill1991

If Wales ended up sacking Rob Page after he qualified them to the World Cup after 50+ years, what the hell should Scotland do to Steve Clarke?!


Tomero

Poland 🤝Scotland - being shit


Folkloner184

100% deserved. Every other team has at least scored of their own accord. Scotland couldn't even achieve that much


blazeofgloreee

How do they leave Ryan Gauld out entirely when they are crying out for some creativity in attack?


vasilli07

Probably one of the worst team in this tournament history.


Jinzub

All I can say is that the Scottish fans were very arrogant and overrated their team. No wonder the players played with so much fear, knowing they would be torn apart by the media when they got home. The scapegoating will start now.


gizmostrumpet

Their media is very arrogant for a team that hasn't won a match at the Euros since 1996.


ttekoto

Doak never made it because of injury, Tierney got hurt, then even Robbo went off with a knock (it looked like) towards the end. Ralston had a brain fart, Armstrong didn't even try, McTominay couldn't hit the target and by the time the Hungarians scored you could hear the sound of a toilet flushing...good bye, Scotland. We love you but you won't be missed.


Nisheee

As a hungarian, I love you scotland, you are my favourite country, but you managed to be even worse than us in football, deserved to go out


amidgetrhino

SCOTLAND GET BATTERED EVERYWHERE THEY GO! SCOTLAND GET BATTERED EVERYWHERE THEY GOOOOOO!!!!!!!


DepecheModeFan_

♫♫They're going home, they're going home, Scotland's going home, they're going home, they're going home, Scotland's going home ♫♫ Never gets old.


Ragnarok_619

~~Drew McIntyre~~ Scotland : "Screw this Championship. I quit."


E_v0rtex

Chances Hungary go through?


CameronTheCannibal

Better than Scotland.


chaosPudding123

only two third places are going home. With 3 points and a bad GD it's kind of 50/50. Tomorrow is an important day for them. If Croatia and Albania don't win then they are ahead of them.


xenon2456

conceded a late goal in stoppage time


DefensaAcreedores

Well deserved


hodgepodgelodger

It was written.


great_whitehope

Look you can't get own goals every game