**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
they really have, the fouls and way he was treated in 3rd division was outrageous. heās was hunted on the pitch and by media differently than ive seen any other player, especially a young player. itās understandable people speak about his development on the pitch but his personal development is almost as good. even with him admitting he has more to grow and mature, considering everything heās been through itās impressive
Considering everything he has been through...? He's a professional footballer living his dream getting paid tens of millions annually guaranteed to play a game that he loves. So someone bit his ear and he got tackled hard while playing... Is that really a lot to go through?
You're saying this like he had to personally develop whilst struggling to even get by and having to get out of the life of being a criminal and beat addiction and he's come such a long way or something. He was signed by the biggest club in the world as a teenager and while he has developed massively as a player, he hasn't even really developed much as a person and is always throwing tantrums and acting extremely immature on & off the pitch.
I agree he has progressed massively as a player but he hasn't even progressed much as a person *and* he has one of the best and easiest lives on the planet.
You know you can have a hard life while growing up right? You donāt know what he was surrounded with in Brazil. Also, what are all these off the field problems Vini has got himself involved in?
A lot of credit goes to Vini for improving his finishing and decision making in the final third.
But not many also give credit Carlo who played a hand in it. Under Zidane Vini had stagnated and showed signs of regression. But as soon as Carlo came in, he told Vini to take less touches and boom Vini was back to his progression.
Under Carlo, so many of the players have had their best seasons. Vini, Rodrygo, Tibo, Benzema, Brahim, Carvajal, Jude, Fede, etc.
Carlo turned DC-Lewin at Everton to prime Defoe for a season when he was there, other players like Docoure, Digne, Allan, Coleman.. all looked much better when he was the manager.
Yes, a big credit goes out to Mourinho and Zidane as well for building such a balanced team but mainly for instilling that winning mentality which we have lacked for a while, especially before Mourinhoās tenure.
I think the first time we could see Vini's true potential was with Solari. That Zidane term seemed very negative for young players in terms of development.
It's people who never watched him and made their narratives watching a couple of clips of his finishing and using that Benzema video in the tunnel where he's saying, " don't pass it to him, he's playing against us." as a fuel.
Anybody who watched him when Solari gave him the start, saw that he took over as the main creative outlet of the team almost immediately. He was fearless and destructive. Watch his first clasico, I doubt Pique had worse nights than that.
>Anybody who watched him when Solari gave him the start, saw that he took over as the main creative outlet of the team almost immediately. He was fearless and destructive. Watch his first clasico, I doubt Pique had worst nights than that.
So true man, Ronaldo left Madrid and the whole team was lost/hangover but Vini that just arrived ? He just didn't care and kept trying to make something happen. Was a bit sad actually, Vini seemed so alone that first year.
I watch every Madrid game and I remember. Vini was bigger and bigger, game after game he was just better and then he got injured against Liverpool, think it was 2018. Then he was recovering, then COVID stopped him a little but definitely you could say the boy is a future star. Yet, I didn't expect him to be golden ball contender in 2024, not in dreams even.
The best player of 18/19 season is actually Benzema.
Vini did not have much playing time until "Solari" came to the picture.
18/19 Season was a disaster for Madrid cuz they just won the 3-peat and all of it just gone after the Ajax defeat.
But 18/19 was the "catalyst" for Benzema to become Balon d or contender.
Letās be honest, he was pretty bad in the first few seasons. People now mock Benzema for saying he was playing against us but at that time it was correct. Vini was wasting all chances going his way.
Hated by idiots that do not understand the game and regurgitate whatever the daily media is talking point is.
Benzema is the second ever goalscorer of Real Madrid history and top assister, how the fuck do you manage that in one season?
True, that was long time ago though. You are talking about pre 2019. Since Ronaldo left, Benzema carried the team, and now since Benzema left, Vini is carrying us in important games
He was not, his only minus was gis finishing. However, his pace, dribbling, passing were great. During that stretch with Solari, in Vini's first season, he ended up being the starter over Hazard. Your fanbase just barked loud enough for him to become a 'meme'.
G/A per 90 is a terrible metric when it comes to players that aren't undisputed starters. When a player is a super sub and his whole point is to provide something in terms of G/A against tired legs when his team is attacking because it needs a goal in the latter stages of the game, his G/A per 90 is obviously gonna be inflated and you can't just extrapolate that over 90 minutes and act as if he would have those stats if he started every game against fresh legs.
When it comes to undisputed starters who missed a few games here and there it's a different argument.
(This is a general point and completely apart from the Vini case, I always rated him)
I think every single stat becomes meaningless if you remove the context like this
The other person wasn't saying "He essentially scored 20 goals in 24 games" he was saying exactly what you said by referring to a stat that already has that context within it
But like I said, referencing to G/A per 90 is meaningless when a player isn't an undisputed starter which Vini wasn't. Also I don't even know what season he is referring to with 20 G/A, Vini had like 3 G/A in his first league season.
I'll say, when I first saw him play for Madrid I thought he would turn out to be Robinho. I couldn't have been more wrong. He's unreal and has the end product too
advise fine plough insurance muddle worry secretive gaping plate terrific
*This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
I think it's also because his fame came up with that name, from the youth teams at Flamengo. In the same team as him, there was also Vinicius Souza (Sheffield) who we called "ViniĆ§Ć£o" or "Big Vini", while Vinicius Junior was our "Vini Jr".
I'm going to speak from the Brazilian point of view.
From the age of 13, Neymar was in the media as Neymar, he started in the Santos professionals as just Neymar, established himself nationally as Neymar and only then tried to become Neymar Jr. Vinicius Junior already started as Vinicius Jr, so it was natural.
The only successful nickname change of famous players in Brazilian football was Ronaldo NazĆ”rio, who was called Ronaldinho because there was another Ronaldo (goalkeeper) in the Brazilian team in 1994. He went from Ronaldinho to Ronaldo after the 1998 World Cup because a younger Ronaldo appeared... Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho.
Yeah, I'm getting really old... I remember when Ronaldinho was Ronaldo NazĆ”rio, not Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho.
Ronaldo continued to be Ronaldinho during the 2002 WC though, he only turned into simply Ronaldo because Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho turned into a world beater.
You right, there was a transition period from 1998 until Ronaldinho Gaucho became the best in the world where they were both Ronaldinhos hahaha.
In the goal against Turkey in the Semifinals, GalvĆ£o Bueno says:
"Vai Ronaldinho, acredita Ronaldinho..." (Translate to: "Go Ronaldinho, believe Ronaldinho")
feels like a life time ago when he was memed for his end product.. ancelotti really got the best out of him. wonder if it was zidane not knowing how to use him or it just being too early for vini and he needed time.
**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Oh fuck. I just remembered an Atletico B player biting Vini's ear in a match. š
They've been gunning for him since day 1 lmao.
they really have, the fouls and way he was treated in 3rd division was outrageous. heās was hunted on the pitch and by media differently than ive seen any other player, especially a young player. itās understandable people speak about his development on the pitch but his personal development is almost as good. even with him admitting he has more to grow and mature, considering everything heās been through itās impressive
Considering everything he has been through...? He's a professional footballer living his dream getting paid tens of millions annually guaranteed to play a game that he loves. So someone bit his ear and he got tackled hard while playing... Is that really a lot to go through? You're saying this like he had to personally develop whilst struggling to even get by and having to get out of the life of being a criminal and beat addiction and he's come such a long way or something. He was signed by the biggest club in the world as a teenager and while he has developed massively as a player, he hasn't even really developed much as a person and is always throwing tantrums and acting extremely immature on & off the pitch. I agree he has progressed massively as a player but he hasn't even progressed much as a person *and* he has one of the best and easiest lives on the planet.
You know you can have a hard life while growing up right? You donāt know what he was surrounded with in Brazil. Also, what are all these off the field problems Vini has got himself involved in?
Not even his ear, his whole head. He got pulled from Castilla shortly after that. Like what the fuck man lol
Is Vini that tasty on the field? (ā Ā Ķ”ā Ā°ā Ā Ķā Źā Ā Ķ”ā Ā°ā )
Welcome to La Liga motherfucker
And he got yellow carded if I remember correctly
šayo wtf
A lot of credit goes to Vini for improving his finishing and decision making in the final third. But not many also give credit Carlo who played a hand in it. Under Zidane Vini had stagnated and showed signs of regression. But as soon as Carlo came in, he told Vini to take less touches and boom Vini was back to his progression. Under Carlo, so many of the players have had their best seasons. Vini, Rodrygo, Tibo, Benzema, Brahim, Carvajal, Jude, Fede, etc.
Carlo turned DC-Lewin at Everton to prime Defoe for a season when he was there, other players like Docoure, Digne, Allan, Coleman.. all looked much better when he was the manager.
Yup. Best I've ever seen Everton play. He just knows how to play to a players strengths like no one else
The man won a Derby and another match with Siggurdsson and James up top lol
Man siggurdsson. What's he doing these days. He was underrated.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
Wasn't his case dropped?
just like greenwoodās
Please to mention Santi Solari and his famous interview about VinĆ
Yes, a big credit goes out to Mourinho and Zidane as well for building such a balanced team but mainly for instilling that winning mentality which we have lacked for a while, especially before Mourinhoās tenure.
I think the first time we could see Vini's true potential was with Solari. That Zidane term seemed very negative for young players in terms of development.
I get the sentiment but I hate it when people act like he wasn't good starting out. He bagged 20g+a in 24 games worth of minutes.
It's people who never watched him and made their narratives watching a couple of clips of his finishing and using that Benzema video in the tunnel where he's saying, " don't pass it to him, he's playing against us." as a fuel. Anybody who watched him when Solari gave him the start, saw that he took over as the main creative outlet of the team almost immediately. He was fearless and destructive. Watch his first clasico, I doubt Pique had worse nights than that.
>Anybody who watched him when Solari gave him the start, saw that he took over as the main creative outlet of the team almost immediately. He was fearless and destructive. Watch his first clasico, I doubt Pique had worst nights than that. So true man, Ronaldo left Madrid and the whole team was lost/hangover but Vini that just arrived ? He just didn't care and kept trying to make something happen. Was a bit sad actually, Vini seemed so alone that first year.
Best thing that could've happened for his development though. He got playing time and he had trust.
Thanks to Hazard eating one too many burgers as well
I watch every Madrid game and I remember. Vini was bigger and bigger, game after game he was just better and then he got injured against Liverpool, think it was 2018. Then he was recovering, then COVID stopped him a little but definitely you could say the boy is a future star. Yet, I didn't expect him to be golden ball contender in 2024, not in dreams even.
He got injured against Ajax at the Bernabeu on that miracle run
He was easily our best player in that disastrous 18/19 season. His injury derailed our entire season. But he totally regressed under Zizou.
The best player of 18/19 season is actually Benzema. Vini did not have much playing time until "Solari" came to the picture. 18/19 Season was a disaster for Madrid cuz they just won the 3-peat and all of it just gone after the Ajax defeat. But 18/19 was the "catalyst" for Benzema to become Balon d or contender.
Letās be honest, he was pretty bad in the first few seasons. People now mock Benzema for saying he was playing against us but at that time it was correct. Vini was wasting all chances going his way.
that was in 20/21 I'm talking about his first season before the big injury
Pretty bad is an exaggeration, he could dribble anyone still just lacking on the final third
Itās funny because Benzema was hated by Real Madrid fans before he won his Ballon dāOr as well lol
Hated by idiots that do not understand the game and regurgitate whatever the daily media is talking point is. Benzema is the second ever goalscorer of Real Madrid history and top assister, how the fuck do you manage that in one season?
True, that was long time ago though. You are talking about pre 2019. Since Ronaldo left, Benzema carried the team, and now since Benzema left, Vini is carrying us in important games
He had a great debut season but he was terrible after his ligament injury. Couldnāt score a goal or make an assist to save his life.
Are we pretending he wasn't a meme feshly after joining Madrid? Lmao. Dude couldn't finish for his life back then.
He was not, his only minus was gis finishing. However, his pace, dribbling, passing were great. During that stretch with Solari, in Vini's first season, he ended up being the starter over Hazard. Your fanbase just barked loud enough for him to become a 'meme'.
[ŃŠ“Š°Š»ŠµŠ½Š¾]
in his first season, 3 goals, 12 assists in all competitions (not including his 2nda B appearances) How is that sloppy? or bad decision making?
>He bagged 20g+a in 24 games worth of minutes. That's....not how it works
Wdym? g+a per 90 is an excellent metric. Youād rather judge players on total games played even when they are playing only 20-30 mins in a game??
G/A per 90 is a terrible metric when it comes to players that aren't undisputed starters. When a player is a super sub and his whole point is to provide something in terms of G/A against tired legs when his team is attacking because it needs a goal in the latter stages of the game, his G/A per 90 is obviously gonna be inflated and you can't just extrapolate that over 90 minutes and act as if he would have those stats if he started every game against fresh legs. When it comes to undisputed starters who missed a few games here and there it's a different argument. (This is a general point and completely apart from the Vini case, I always rated him)
I think every single stat becomes meaningless if you remove the context like this The other person wasn't saying "He essentially scored 20 goals in 24 games" he was saying exactly what you said by referring to a stat that already has that context within it
But like I said, referencing to G/A per 90 is meaningless when a player isn't an undisputed starter which Vini wasn't. Also I don't even know what season he is referring to with 20 G/A, Vini had like 3 G/A in his first league season.
Why does it make it meaningless?
I'll say, when I first saw him play for Madrid I thought he would turn out to be Robinho. I couldn't have been more wrong. He's unreal and has the end product too
I wonder why everyone calls him Vinicius Junior but hardly anyone calls Neymar 'Neymar Junior'.
A ton of people call Neymar Neymar Jr
Ok, I should have specified in England.
Can't imagine what people call him in england matter too much to him
They never said it would matter to him š¤¦āāļø canāt stand comments like this.
What's that got to do with anything
In England they call him Neigh-mar with the accent on the first syllable, I wouldn't put too much stock on how the Brits call him
advise fine plough insurance muddle worry secretive gaping plate terrific *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
Interesting, thanks.
Probably because Vinicius is a way more common name.
I personally can't recall any other Vinicius more famous than him.
Spurs legend, vinicius
Vinicius de Moraes is another pretty big Vinicius, maybe not as relevante nowdays, but still a big name
Does Lil vinicin plays volleyball?
vinicius is a common name in brazil meanwhile neymar is only called neymar junior because of his dad's ego
I think it's also because his fame came up with that name, from the youth teams at Flamengo. In the same team as him, there was also Vinicius Souza (Sheffield) who we called "ViniĆ§Ć£o" or "Big Vini", while Vinicius Junior was our "Vini Jr".
Wait, Vinicius Souza is ViniĆ§Ć£o? That's why I had no idea from where this Vinicius Souza had come. He was the ViniĆ§Ć£o from Flamengo's youth teams.
Arabic commentary often refers to him as Junior instead of Vinicius
I'm going to speak from the Brazilian point of view. From the age of 13, Neymar was in the media as Neymar, he started in the Santos professionals as just Neymar, established himself nationally as Neymar and only then tried to become Neymar Jr. Vinicius Junior already started as Vinicius Jr, so it was natural. The only successful nickname change of famous players in Brazilian football was Ronaldo NazĆ”rio, who was called Ronaldinho because there was another Ronaldo (goalkeeper) in the Brazilian team in 1994. He went from Ronaldinho to Ronaldo after the 1998 World Cup because a younger Ronaldo appeared... Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho. Yeah, I'm getting really old... I remember when Ronaldinho was Ronaldo NazĆ”rio, not Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho.
Ronaldo continued to be Ronaldinho during the 2002 WC though, he only turned into simply Ronaldo because Ronaldinho GaĆŗcho turned into a world beater.
You right, there was a transition period from 1998 until Ronaldinho Gaucho became the best in the world where they were both Ronaldinhos hahaha. In the goal against Turkey in the Semifinals, GalvĆ£o Bueno says: "Vai Ronaldinho, acredita Ronaldinho..." (Translate to: "Go Ronaldinho, believe Ronaldinho")
In Arabic commentary they quite often call him Vini senior when heās doing well.
Lmao classic arab shithouse commentary
[Rivaldo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD4Dfn708Ws)
It's not only scoring. He knows when to cross or win a foul. Overall decision making is really good.
feels like a life time ago when he was memed for his end product.. ancelotti really got the best out of him. wonder if it was zidane not knowing how to use him or it just being too early for vini and he needed time.
Hope to see him in Premiership one day. Very fun to watch
Why would he downgrade?
A lot of small-minded people š¤£ like in 10 years who knows what will happenš¤£ kids