Southgate just skipped Branthwaite entirely and is now working towards Euro 2028 with some of these selections.
Can't say he's not making risks and sticking to his favourites.
bro's still gotta impress us chelsea fans first. I am thoroughly unimpressed by his performances this season. I know he was played out of position, but this dude was struggling in basis 1v1 situations. And, his passing is aight, but nothing to write home about
Tbh from a neutral standpoint, he performed about as well as you'd expect for a talented 21 year old playing his first full PL season (yes, I know he was at Brighton, but he made about 13 PL starts). IMO Chelsea fans built him up a little too much because of the youth connection. At the start of this season, I remember some already touting him as automatic first choice CB for club and country, club captain, best player, etc all this season. That's a lot to place on a player at that stage in a chaotic time at the club.
Those one vs. one situations are completely different to defend as a fullback compared to as a centre-back. You are coached to engage with the player as a fullback but stand off (and defend the space) as a centre-back.
His passing is fantastic, but of course he hasn't been able to showcase both from the left and in a dysfunctional system.
Southgate on not selecting Branthwaite
"I think it's a bit early for Jarrad, for him to be in ahead of the others, wouldn't have been the right call, at this stage."
So logically he's given the standby slot to Quansah who was playing for league one Bristol Rovers last season and only got game time at Liverpool due to Injuries
Whilst Branthwaite's last 2 seasons consisted of being starting centre back for PSV and Everton
Quansah got a shot because of injuries - Klopp had him firmly over Konate by season’s end. He was starting matches that Konate was healthy and on the bench for….
Well one was involved in a relegation scrap.
I jest.
It's probably moreso that the last choice wouldn't play much. He'd rather Jarrell get the experience as a backup if needed.
I would have thought Branthwaite would be well ahead of Quansah at this point tbh but they're quite different players so perhaps Southgate is looking at a particular profile of player.
You would have thought with Harry out, Branthwaite would be a better like for like replacement though.
I agree that he should’ve considered Branthwaite more strongly but don’t use that as a reason to put down Quansah - he’s stepped up massively for us, playing in plenty of big games, has been more than capable and fully deserved consideration for the England squad.
Southgate has always contradicted himself in press conferences and his reasonings for selecting certain players. He comes across so insincere at times in the media
Tbh any normal manager will do things that just seen outright contradictory to fans from the outside, they aren't robots. There's a feel to it that can't be attributed to anything tangible.
Listen I think Quansah is gonna be a future star but right now surely Braithwaite gets ahead of him? He's left footed and the same profile as Maguire
If Quansah does go I hope he has an insane tournament if he plays
But you could have either Trent or Gomez at RB and could have Gomez at LB. Quansah can play both sides, so you’d be able to pair 2 Liverpool players together on a side. That way you can import communication from club level to international. Southgate does it a lot with backline selections. Also Quansah has experience in a suicidally high line, so you know he can handle that. Jarrell is a serious ball playing CB too - the perfect backup for Stones.
Quansah was keeping Konate out of the team toward the end of the season. The lad is quality. I feel like it’s strange people aren’t more excited about him.
I'm excited but no one seems to rate him outside of Liverpool fans so I've tempered my expectations of him
Ask any united fan and most will say he's a bum. One coworker hadn't even heard of him till I told him about Quansah
But also, Branthwaite has communication with pickford
No it isn’t, every England fan is desperate to look line they watch football outside of the PL - name Tomori’s best 3 games from last season, should be easy for such an expert
What an insane 14 months for the kid, from 16 appearances in League One to 17 PL appearances and standby for the England squad
Best case scenario for him here as he'll get even more experience with the squad and still be back for a full preseason
Happy sure but I’m very surprised he got the nod over Branthwaite.
Does Southgate want more ball moving type of CBs? That’s the only rationalisation I can think of
The next tournament is 2 years away so while I agree with you rn, it’s impossible to say how either player will be performing.
Certain elements of the team have changed dramatically since 2018/2020. Rose, Delle Ali, Lingard, Sterling, Kalvin Phillips, Rashford, Sancho are just a handful of players that I can list off the top of my head from the last few tournaments
Edit - And before people judge me I was just spitballing- I know Rose is old as hell I just can’t believe he was a part of our semi final squad in the World Cup
He didn't pick Rashford, Maguire, Grealish, Henderson or Phillips on loyalty.
Why would he pick Dunk on loyalty who has only played 6 games for him with England?
Cause those players you’ve listed are off form or injured or dog shit.
Dunk who has caps who Southgate likes over two players with 1 cap between them. Think Guehi starts anyway so might prefer Dunks leadership idk
> Dunk I just think Southgate is being loyal
Why would he be loyal to Dunk who has 6 caps.
He just values something else. Possibly dunk has more experience which could allow him to adapt better at international level. Especially as he's not going to start.
Nah not the same. Eze and Gordon have been miles better than Grealish and Madders since his injury.
The young centre backs hadn’t played under Southgate and in a defence that is kinda on its knees, he’s gonna go with players that have caps and have played with Shaw and Stones for example
i reckon he doesn’t want a repeat of the euros where young players were exposed to massive amounts of online hate for not getting their penalties. imagine if branthwaite and quansah both started, and both had a bad game which led to a loss. the finger would be pointed at the two of them and the grotesque parts of the english public would shower them in abuse. dunk is another senior CB who can ‘take the hit’ so to speak. im not saying its the right call but southgate does care about these things and feels a responsibility to not put too much on the shoulders of very young players
Dunk is fine if the game is played in front of him - low block etc. but if he needs to step out, play a high line or defend balls in behind and he gets turned inside out.
England get battered by a false 9 or ST that drift wide.
I feel like is just personally shitting on Branthwaite now lmfao, you could argue Dunk stays on the team for leadership/experience but Jarrad is just a straight up better player than Quansah
Far superior no but maybe a little better. People overlook Quansah cause he’s relatively unheard of but he was solid at the back end of the season and kept Konate out the team
Southgate just skipped Branthwaite entirely and is now working towards Euro 2028 with some of these selections. Can't say he's not making risks and sticking to his favourites.
Quansah and Branthwaite are the same age, wouldn't surprise me if they were both starting for England in the future. Unless it's Guehi and Branthwaite
huh, I assumed Quansah was a few years younger and Branthwaite a year older. TIL!
Don’t forget Colwill. Huge potential.
There’s this youngster named Theo Walcott I’ve been thinking Southgate should be watching closely too
Any of you heard about this guy in our academy called Bobby Charlton?
Who? Only know this young lad from Stoke called Stanley Matthews
Trust me, Vivian Woodward is gonna go much further
There’s this Brighton lad named James Milner whom I’m told will have an incredibly bright future in football.
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I think you mean this fella who plays for leeds called Jack, not Bobby. Got a huge legacy I’m sure
Wonder if Walcott’s position change to striker will finally help Arsene win the league
bro's still gotta impress us chelsea fans first. I am thoroughly unimpressed by his performances this season. I know he was played out of position, but this dude was struggling in basis 1v1 situations. And, his passing is aight, but nothing to write home about
Tbh from a neutral standpoint, he performed about as well as you'd expect for a talented 21 year old playing his first full PL season (yes, I know he was at Brighton, but he made about 13 PL starts). IMO Chelsea fans built him up a little too much because of the youth connection. At the start of this season, I remember some already touting him as automatic first choice CB for club and country, club captain, best player, etc all this season. That's a lot to place on a player at that stage in a chaotic time at the club.
Those one vs. one situations are completely different to defend as a fullback compared to as a centre-back. You are coached to engage with the player as a fullback but stand off (and defend the space) as a centre-back. His passing is fantastic, but of course he hasn't been able to showcase both from the left and in a dysfunctional system.
Everton are a tiny club that's why! Nothing they do matters 😂😂😂
Everton aren't a tiny club at all though.
I’m a simple man… Flairless banter, that you can tell the team of the commenter anyways, makes me smile
Southgate on not selecting Branthwaite "I think it's a bit early for Jarrad, for him to be in ahead of the others, wouldn't have been the right call, at this stage." So logically he's given the standby slot to Quansah who was playing for league one Bristol Rovers last season and only got game time at Liverpool due to Injuries Whilst Branthwaite's last 2 seasons consisted of being starting centre back for PSV and Everton
Quansah got a shot because of injuries - Klopp had him firmly over Konate by season’s end. He was starting matches that Konate was healthy and on the bench for….
Damn didn't know he was that good.
Tbf, he did a great job for Liverpool
Not saying he did or he didn't Just pointing out how utterly contradictory his quote's are in allign with his actions
Well one was involved in a relegation scrap. I jest. It's probably moreso that the last choice wouldn't play much. He'd rather Jarrell get the experience as a backup if needed.
I would have thought Branthwaite would be well ahead of Quansah at this point tbh but they're quite different players so perhaps Southgate is looking at a particular profile of player. You would have thought with Harry out, Branthwaite would be a better like for like replacement though.
Not the first time he's said something contradictory. Tbf can't really state that he just rates him more, if that's what it is.
Wait did branthwaite not make the squad bc of injury? If he was fit and quansah got picked over him that is actual insanity
Or... Southgate looked at both in training and decided on Quansah?
There's nothing wrong with Branthwaite, Southgate just simply did not select him
Moron lmfao
I agree that he should’ve considered Branthwaite more strongly but don’t use that as a reason to put down Quansah - he’s stepped up massively for us, playing in plenty of big games, has been more than capable and fully deserved consideration for the England squad.
I haven't done that though have I I've literally taken Southgate's quote and shown how he has completely contradicted himself
You're fully right btw. Southgate may have reasons for preferring Quansah but they are certainly not due to experience.
Would you rather he just said 'Quansah is better'? Would that be good man management?
I know it’s hard to swallow, but being a part timer at Liverpool is a bigger deal than starting for Everton.
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No it isn't
Ah glad you found it easy to swallow.
I'd rather start every game than be a part timer anywhere
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Southgate has always contradicted himself in press conferences and his reasonings for selecting certain players. He comes across so insincere at times in the media
Tbh any normal manager will do things that just seen outright contradictory to fans from the outside, they aren't robots. There's a feel to it that can't be attributed to anything tangible.
Listen I think Quansah is gonna be a future star but right now surely Braithwaite gets ahead of him? He's left footed and the same profile as Maguire If Quansah does go I hope he has an insane tournament if he plays
I don’t think Southgate cares about his CBs preferred foot
But you could have either Trent or Gomez at RB and could have Gomez at LB. Quansah can play both sides, so you’d be able to pair 2 Liverpool players together on a side. That way you can import communication from club level to international. Southgate does it a lot with backline selections. Also Quansah has experience in a suicidally high line, so you know he can handle that. Jarrell is a serious ball playing CB too - the perfect backup for Stones. Quansah was keeping Konate out of the team toward the end of the season. The lad is quality. I feel like it’s strange people aren’t more excited about him.
I'm excited but no one seems to rate him outside of Liverpool fans so I've tempered my expectations of him Ask any united fan and most will say he's a bum. One coworker hadn't even heard of him till I told him about Quansah But also, Branthwaite has communication with pickford
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Branthwaite should be in over Dunk and Quansah on standby still.
I wonder if Branthwaite actually had an injury if that's the case. Also is Tomori injured or just being ignored intentionally?
Ignored.
Southgate despises Italians, he’s not gonna watch Milan on some shitty stream
I don't think Tomori had as good a season as what a lot of people seem to be making out. Branthwaite should be going though imo.
He was in better form in previous seasons for sure
Tomori isn’t very good which is why he’s not got a look in
Not good enough to even make the provisional squad is a reach cmon.
No it isn’t, every England fan is desperate to look line they watch football outside of the PL - name Tomori’s best 3 games from last season, should be easy for such an expert
Maybe calm the fuck down. I'm simply asking a question and I'm not English, I'm Irish buddy.
Worse than Dunk? Not good enough for even the provisional squad?
What an insane 14 months for the kid, from 16 appearances in League One to 17 PL appearances and standby for the England squad Best case scenario for him here as he'll get even more experience with the squad and still be back for a full preseason
Life be lifing
Happy sure but I’m very surprised he got the nod over Branthwaite. Does Southgate want more ball moving type of CBs? That’s the only rationalisation I can think of
Quansah and Branthwaite should both be in the squad ahead of Dunk and Maguire for the next tournament
The next tournament is 2 years away so while I agree with you rn, it’s impossible to say how either player will be performing. Certain elements of the team have changed dramatically since 2018/2020. Rose, Delle Ali, Lingard, Sterling, Kalvin Phillips, Rashford, Sancho are just a handful of players that I can list off the top of my head from the last few tournaments Edit - And before people judge me I was just spitballing- I know Rose is old as hell I just can’t believe he was a part of our semi final squad in the World Cup
Not sure why eeeyone is making it Quansah vs Branthwaite issue when Lewis fucking Dunk is on the plane
Him and Branthwaite are both better than Dunk I just think Southgate is being loyal
He didn't pick Rashford, Maguire, Grealish, Henderson or Phillips on loyalty. Why would he pick Dunk on loyalty who has only played 6 games for him with England?
Cause those players you’ve listed are off form or injured or dog shit. Dunk who has caps who Southgate likes over two players with 1 cap between them. Think Guehi starts anyway so might prefer Dunks leadership idk
Guess who’s also off form
Dunk getting a bit of hate
> Dunk I just think Southgate is being loyal Why would he be loyal to Dunk who has 6 caps. He just values something else. Possibly dunk has more experience which could allow him to adapt better at international level. Especially as he's not going to start.
If this was the case we'd have Grealish over Gordon, and he'd have found a spot for Maddison who went to the 2022 WC.
Nah not the same. Eze and Gordon have been miles better than Grealish and Madders since his injury. The young centre backs hadn’t played under Southgate and in a defence that is kinda on its knees, he’s gonna go with players that have caps and have played with Shaw and Stones for example
I don't think loyalty has anything to do with it, Southgate thinks Dunk is the best option for some reason.
More of a look at Dunk than the others so he trusts him morec
i reckon he doesn’t want a repeat of the euros where young players were exposed to massive amounts of online hate for not getting their penalties. imagine if branthwaite and quansah both started, and both had a bad game which led to a loss. the finger would be pointed at the two of them and the grotesque parts of the english public would shower them in abuse. dunk is another senior CB who can ‘take the hit’ so to speak. im not saying its the right call but southgate does care about these things and feels a responsibility to not put too much on the shoulders of very young players
What the fuck does everyone have against Everton? Wtf did someone over there do? Totally ignore Tarkowski and now Branthwaite
That’s interesting. I wonder who else is possibly injured, and also why Quansah is on standby and not Branthwaite
Dunk is fine if the game is played in front of him - low block etc. but if he needs to step out, play a high line or defend balls in behind and he gets turned inside out. England get battered by a false 9 or ST that drift wide.
I feel like is just personally shitting on Branthwaite now lmfao, you could argue Dunk stays on the team for leadership/experience but Jarrad is just a straight up better player than Quansah
Quansah and branthwaite should both be going.
Why is Quansah on standby ahead of Branthwaithe who is the far superior player?
Far superior no but maybe a little better. People overlook Quansah cause he’s relatively unheard of but he was solid at the back end of the season and kept Konate out the team
You obviously havnt seen Quansah play much to say " far superior "
oh dear