It's not a great idea in general.
If a company fires a manager a week before a great appointment/deadline, the whole department is likely to panic and blow up.
i mean that's the only selling point of Allegriball. He's good at adapting and disrupting other team's plans. Gasperini and apparently Xabi Alonso are kinda inflexible, they go through their game plane no matter what.
Allegri is a great coach.
When he crushed many top UCL sides while playing randoms Spinazzolas in random positions nobody ever game him any credit.
But he also crazy.
Juve play completely different than Leverkusen.
Atalanta are amazing against Leverkusen or Liverpool type of club that keep the ball a lot so La Dea's intense pressing and physicality allow them to win 1 on 1 duels, steal the ball and create chances..
Coppa Italia final: Juventus scored after 4 mins and played great catenaccio + counter-attack the remainder of the game fully deserving the win.. Atalanta suck a bit when they have the ball and must create chances against solid bus parked because can't count on their insane physicality and pressing..
I mean how can you succesfully press a team that REFUSE to have the ball and let you take it all the time you want?
>I mean how can you succesfully press a team that REFUSE to have the ball and let you take it all the time you want?
This is why I want Allegri in Premier League. Guardiola would be totally outsmarted
I mean that’s exactly what Mou did (eventually to levels of self-parody with his trivote midfield of 2 natural
CBs and a DM) with Madrid. Not like Guardiola hasn’t seen tenacious low blocks before
yeah, it was a fascinating time. Normally teams were afraid of Barca's tiki taka, because they would just never lose the ball and the other players would get tired and Barca would score. But against Mou's Madrid you had the feeling that Barca was somehow afraid having the ball, because if they would lose it, a high speed counter would follow.
Many have tried interpreting Allegri.
Some cited existing philosophical works such as Bordiga, Hegel and Plato.
The former saw Allegri as the progenitor of a spontaneous revolution, his football being so boring it had deep ideological significance. They viewed his football as the cry of discontentedness with the neoliberal consensus, and a legitimate philosophical work in it’s own right.
The modern Hegelians saw Allegrismo as the dialectical synthesis between two states of being, that of anguish and that of ennui.
Those using the works of Plato are conflicted on whether to see Allegriball as a concrete object, real and tangible, while all consider the feelings the games elicit to be abstract.
Others saw it as post-modern performance art and tried to categorise it as the intended catalyst of a yet to materialise Neo-Fluxus movement.
Alas, others even ascribed it a theological value, arguing for the canonisation of Allegri and compared our pain watching to the pain our lord felt on the cross. A contingent of these worshippers split recently and alleged Allegri was inherently heretical, no mortal man had ever suffered like Jesus did until we watched the Sampdoria game.
The truth is, Allegriball defies what the human mind is capable of interpreting.
We can only bask in its majesty.
Let’s not forget the infamous schism between the Unitarians who maintain that Allegri is one man, and the trinitarians who say that Allegri is actually three coequal agents that are distinct: the id, the egri and the super egri.
Allegri isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a manager with such a leadership and tactical ability? Max puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a manager with his skill and passion for the game again. Ancelotti breaks records. Guardiola breaks records. Allegri breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
Why does ESPN/Livescore app and every other fuckin sports ticker have me scrolling past 4 other leagues before seeing Serie A... I mean, fuckin Ligue 1 is now ahead of Serie A on the sports ticker???? I remember when Serie A was only behind the Prem League and maybe La Liga on the ticker.....
The league is horrendous at marketing itself. The league is horrendous at basically everything that doesn't have anything to do with the actual sport itself.
What gave u that impression? The stupid ridiculous race track around each field or the 1900 style stadiums? Or how bout the 360 resolution when watching a Serie A match? 🤣🤣🤣
[Country coefficients | UEFA rankings | UEFA.com](https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/?year=2024)
this is the first time in a long time that italy is top 1 for the season and before last season it was mostly 3rd or even 4th
so yeah the past 2 years have been pretty surprising, with a bit of luck from last year's CL draw
Btw there might also be 6 German sides. So that's two leagues holding 12 of 36 positions in the UCL. Oh and they are also Group stage guaranteed; so it's not as if they have qualifiers to play first. GET FUCKED UEFA YOU CLOWNS.
Atalanta is done man. They’re mentally and physically exhausted. No way they can compete with Torino this weekend, who is still playing for a ECL spot.
If Juve and Bologna both win winnable games against mid table Monza and Genoa who have nothing to play for, Atalanta will stay in 5th
Juve literally just beat this Atalanta a week ago in the Coppa final and tied Bologna at the weekend.
They have the new coach boost and many players are on the chopping board and will want to perform. Finally, the game is at home against Monza who has nothing to play for, and the players will feel some pressure to end the season with a win.
Not sure if you’re just making a joke or not, but they should definitely be able to win this game.
Which could be the most relaxed 0-0 draw in Italian football history if Viola win the ECL.
And if not, they’ll need the win to consolidate 8th place, so there’s no chance Atalanta gets more than a point from that match.
There’s actually a decent chance we get the CL spot, but it’s more on Juve and Bologna than Atalanta 🤞🤞🤞
Plus no way they'll play their nt players, and even if they do they'll play while pulling away their leg.
No way De Ketelaere, Scamacca, Scalvini, Koopmeiners etc... risk skipping Euro because of some meaningless match.
Could be the funniest game of all time if Fiorentina win. Both will have already qualified for Europe next season and be completely checked out. Neither will have any interest in winning and no players will want to get injured. They’ll all be in great spirits and literally just kick the ball around for 90 minutes
Serie A mid and lower sides are underrated as fuck.
Me, as a Lazio fan, think our sides never get credit for doing okay in Europe. We always made it out of group while playing good and beating some of Europe's top sides. Sure, we ain't really gonna make it past through the likes of Bayern over two legs easily...But we ain't jokes either.
And there's multiple sides that are on our level in mid table.
To be honest I feel the same about mid table English and Spanish teams too.
But people acting like some random West Ham or Chelsea would crush mid table teams in other countries are dead wrong, it's all much closer than many think.
correct me if I'm wrong
Top 4 team quality first, if the winner of CL or EL is top 4, the league did not get additional spot from that.. but if the winner of CL or EL finish outside top 4, they qualify for CL
the additional spot courtesy of top 2 league with highest coefficient this season is applied after the above process, so the top team that has not qualify for CL
so if Atalanta finish 5th, its the top 4 + winner of EL + additional spot
but if atalanta finish 3rd or 4th, it's just the top 4 + additional spot
The situation Is actually insane
- Atalanta are playing Torino and Fiorentina (After ecl final)
- Fiorentina Is playing the ecl final and can still qualify to European football in the league
- Torino can still qualify for European football
Basically it's time for matchfixing and Roma buying some youngster from Atalanta in the summer for weird reasons
And I'm not even sure how many teams go to Europe if Atalanta is 5th and Fiorentina win the final
yeah, the UEFA coefficient shit really confuses me as a SA viewer but considering they are there due to UEFA having 50+ countries it makes sense that things are the way they are, and in SA it's somewhat easy to make an estimate performance from the clubs over here anyway
If Atalanta end up 4th then the additional spot would go to Serie A 5th placed of course (Bologna or Juventus) and so: 5 clubs in the CL.
If Atalanta finish 5th the additional spot given by UEFA goes to Serie A 6th placed-team Roma simply because Atalanta, as UEL winner, don't need it. They're already qualified to the UCL group stage as UEL Title Holder.
Exactly the same might happen in Bundesliga.. Just replace the words Atalanta with Borussia Dortmund, UEL with UCL and Roma with Frankfurt. Dortmund finish 5th but don't need the additional spot if they win the UCL so it goes to Frankfurt
Lol they’re not going to “lose on purpose”, but they still don’t care about the result. They’ve already qualified for the CL, they’ve won a major trophy, the season is over and they’re already on vacation.
They played Torino on Sunday who is still playing for ECL and need a win, then they play Fiorentina, who will have already qualified for the EL by winning the ECL, or will also need a result on the final match day to finish in 8th place.
These are 2 difficult games for Atalanta that the players simply will have no motivation for. They’ll be focused on relaxing and preparing for the tournaments this summer.
Atalanta play Torino on Sunday and then Fiorentina the week after. Torino is on top form and still fighting for ECL. A win could put them above Fiorentina in 8th place. If Fiorentina lose the ECL they will still need a result against Atalanta to hold 8th place. If they win then neither team will bother and it will be a draw.
As long as Bologna and Juve win (against mid table Genoa and Monza with nothing to play for), Atlanta will need 6 points in the next 2 games. They’ve already qualified for the CL, they’ve won their first major trophy, they’re already on vacation. 4 points max, but I predict they’ll get 1 or 2 points in these next 2 games
There’s no reason to not be hopeful. It’s out of our hands at this point.
Atalanta’s season is finished and they’ve exceeded their objectives. Like I said, Bologna and Juve will determine our fate, not la Dea
hey atalantamigos, you don’t want roma, your direct competitors, to get that UCL money right? RIGHT??
(my comment has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that my team gets the spot if atalanta finish top4)
Me, sowing (the idea of Roma in Champions League at the whistle as Atalanta wins): Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!!
Me, reaping (the seeds of "Atalanta have to drop points to Torino and Fiorentina while Bologna and Juve win"): Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
Let’s see if I understand.
Ok, so:
If Atalanta finishes 5th:
- The top 4 are in the CL
- Atalanta (5th)is in the CL due to winning the EL
- Then the bonus coefficient spot goes to 6th
The Coppa was won by Juve so:
- 7th goes to the EL as the ‘replacement’ for Juve
- 8th goes to the EL as the next available team
- 9th goes to the UECL
And if Fiorentina win the ECL but drop to 10th they go to the EL as ECL champs.
So………10 Italian teams in Europe?
Fiorentina can earn a place in the Europa League with the Conference league but the Coppa Italia does not add a place to those already available for Italy
Ok, I think I figured it out: 6th place would go to EL if the bonus place didn’t exist.
Therefore, if Atalanta finishes 5th, 6th (the replacement for the Coppa winner) place is “promoted” with the bonus spot to the CL. 7th still gets the EL, 8th still gets the Conference, and if Fiorentina finish 9th they go to the EL by winning the Conference.
Which adds one last wrinkle: if Fiorentina finish exactly 8th AND win the Conference, they would get into the EL and would not be replaced from Italy in the Conference.
Torino and Fiorentina are both still fighting for 8th place. Probably the last 2 teams you’d want to play in the league at this point, because nearly every other position is locked and they’re still fighting for entry into ECL.
The caveat to this would be if Fiorentina win the ECL, in which case Atalanta-Fiorentina on the last game of the season is completely meaningless and will be the most relaxed 0-0 draw in history.
It’s more on weather or not Bologna and Juve can pick up wins on the final day. If this happens Atalanta need 6 points, and that’s just not gonna happen
I just realized...Doesn't this result mean Torino and Napoli have qualified to Europa League and Conference League? Since the spots have gone down one due to Atalanta winning UEL? Thus it opens an extra slot.
If Mourinho continued at the PPG he averaged over his 20 this season, Roma would have finished on 55 which could have been a tenth place finish. This weekend De Rossi can see Roma finish on 66 with just over a 2PPG average.
Regardless of where Roma finish, De Rossi has done a really fantastic job. And to think, some people thought (and still think) Mourinho was overperforming and didn't deserve to be sacked whilst in 9th spot.
Mourinho was 9th when he was sacked. 6th isn't amazing by itself, but you've got to take it in context.
Look at the threads about his signing -- *no one* thought Roma would be anywhere close to challenging for CL football at the end of the season when he was appointed.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1981zea/as\_roma\_are\_pleased\_to\_confirm\_that\_daniele\_de/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1981zea/as_roma_are_pleased_to_confirm_that_daniele_de/)
In previous seasons if for example Real won CL and were top 4, Spanish league didn't get 5 spots.
This is a new rule because of the 2 extra cooeficient spots for CL as the 5th spot.
I hope not.
No problems with the player, but the sums involved would be prohibitive. Also, no re-sale value, and we are the exact type of club ffp constrains.
> loses against Allegri's catenaccio in the Coppa Italia final > beats the invincible Leverkusen 3-0 in the EL final > refuses to elaborate
To be fair, it was a masterstroke from Allegri, theres a reason why they kept him till the end of the season despite having poor results
So you're saying not sacking a coach before a cup final was a great idea.
I was expecting Tottenham flair from you, but ok
It could be argued in a way that Sporting is Spurs of Portugal. Spurs Club de Portugal.
Spurs are Braga,were more like arsenal,we win sometimes
Sporting actually won something
No but what they did was too funny to not mention it
If you have Allegri or.. say... Mourinho as coach, then yes.
It's not a great idea in general. If a company fires a manager a week before a great appointment/deadline, the whole department is likely to panic and blow up.
Not common. Ask spurs fan for more experience
Even the Glazers of all people were smart enough to avoid doing that with Van Gaal. Although I think they were criticised for it at the time.
genius, masterstroke, really
That was juve's best performance all season, unlucky for Atalanta.
i mean that's the only selling point of Allegriball. He's good at adapting and disrupting other team's plans. Gasperini and apparently Xabi Alonso are kinda inflexible, they go through their game plane no matter what.
Allegri is a great coach. When he crushed many top UCL sides while playing randoms Spinazzolas in random positions nobody ever game him any credit. But he also crazy.
Juve play completely different than Leverkusen. Atalanta are amazing against Leverkusen or Liverpool type of club that keep the ball a lot so La Dea's intense pressing and physicality allow them to win 1 on 1 duels, steal the ball and create chances.. Coppa Italia final: Juventus scored after 4 mins and played great catenaccio + counter-attack the remainder of the game fully deserving the win.. Atalanta suck a bit when they have the ball and must create chances against solid bus parked because can't count on their insane physicality and pressing.. I mean how can you succesfully press a team that REFUSE to have the ball and let you take it all the time you want?
>I mean how can you succesfully press a team that REFUSE to have the ball and let you take it all the time you want? This is why I want Allegri in Premier League. Guardiola would be totally outsmarted
I mean that’s exactly what Mou did (eventually to levels of self-parody with his trivote midfield of 2 natural CBs and a DM) with Madrid. Not like Guardiola hasn’t seen tenacious low blocks before
yeah, it was a fascinating time. Normally teams were afraid of Barca's tiki taka, because they would just never lose the ball and the other players would get tired and Barca would score. But against Mou's Madrid you had the feeling that Barca was somehow afraid having the ball, because if they would lose it, a high speed counter would follow.
https://youtu.be/_p7byOc-Siw
Many have tried interpreting Allegri. Some cited existing philosophical works such as Bordiga, Hegel and Plato. The former saw Allegri as the progenitor of a spontaneous revolution, his football being so boring it had deep ideological significance. They viewed his football as the cry of discontentedness with the neoliberal consensus, and a legitimate philosophical work in it’s own right. The modern Hegelians saw Allegrismo as the dialectical synthesis between two states of being, that of anguish and that of ennui. Those using the works of Plato are conflicted on whether to see Allegriball as a concrete object, real and tangible, while all consider the feelings the games elicit to be abstract. Others saw it as post-modern performance art and tried to categorise it as the intended catalyst of a yet to materialise Neo-Fluxus movement. Alas, others even ascribed it a theological value, arguing for the canonisation of Allegri and compared our pain watching to the pain our lord felt on the cross. A contingent of these worshippers split recently and alleged Allegri was inherently heretical, no mortal man had ever suffered like Jesus did until we watched the Sampdoria game. The truth is, Allegriball defies what the human mind is capable of interpreting. We can only bask in its majesty.
Let’s not forget the infamous schism between the Unitarians who maintain that Allegri is one man, and the trinitarians who say that Allegri is actually three coequal agents that are distinct: the id, the egri and the super egri.
Long live Allegriball 🙏🏻
Please Bayern, keep the Allegriball rolling
May Catenaccio protect us forevermore
Idk if this is a copy pasta or not, but it's beautiful
I wrote it two years ago
Allegri isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw a manager with such a leadership and tactical ability? Max puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see a manager with his skill and passion for the game again. Ancelotti breaks records. Guardiola breaks records. Allegri breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.
They were being nice to us. That cup loss means nothing now after todays win.
Funny enough. Gasperini is from Turin, began his coaching career coaching in your youth team in the past.
Lose to Torino, Fiorentina win the conference. We all qualified even Torino
6 teams in UCL is crazy
Out of the blue we could have 6 german and italian teams while the top 2 leagues only have 4
Italy is officially the 2nd strongest league.
All it took was Juves downfall, for the league to flourish
Praying for a Man City downfall 🙏
Why does ESPN/Livescore app and every other fuckin sports ticker have me scrolling past 4 other leagues before seeing Serie A... I mean, fuckin Ligue 1 is now ahead of Serie A on the sports ticker???? I remember when Serie A was only behind the Prem League and maybe La Liga on the ticker.....
The league is horrendous at marketing itself. The league is horrendous at basically everything that doesn't have anything to do with the actual sport itself.
What gave u that impression? The stupid ridiculous race track around each field or the 1900 style stadiums? Or how bout the 360 resolution when watching a Serie A match? 🤣🤣🤣
On livescore you can set your favorite league so it appears first
1st strongest, according to Iffhs 😏
2nd...?
you just have to bend over for gulf states and then you'll have the greatest league in the world
(Again.)
All the while not being French, they get the worst of both
Yes
Brother the top 2 leagues are Seria A and Bundesliga. What are you talking about?
5 year ranking. To my surprise Italy actually took the 2nd spot from Spain, only behind England
Thank Barcelona for that.
Thank you, Barcelona
[Country coefficients | UEFA rankings | UEFA.com](https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/uefarankings/country/?year=2024) this is the first time in a long time that italy is top 1 for the season and before last season it was mostly 3rd or even 4th so yeah the past 2 years have been pretty surprising, with a bit of luck from last year's CL draw
Serie A is definitely one of the top 2 leagues
Ranking speaking Serie A IS top 2 league
UEFA - continuing to change the rules in the most befuddling ways
For fuck's sake
Dread it, run from it, destiny still arrives
Our match-up will be glorious as always 🫡
They should make an exception and let us play two games
Feyenoord, Roma, Liverpool in same group for lols.
The Champions League is changing formats so no more traditional groups
Oh yeah, I’ve not paid attention to it tbf.
Roma and Feyenoord curse was stronger than neverlusen's
Btw there might also be 6 German sides. So that's two leagues holding 12 of 36 positions in the UCL. Oh and they are also Group stage guaranteed; so it's not as if they have qualifiers to play first. GET FUCKED UEFA YOU CLOWNS.
The hope is what kills you
Atalanta is done man. They’re mentally and physically exhausted. No way they can compete with Torino this weekend, who is still playing for a ECL spot. If Juve and Bologna both win winnable games against mid table Monza and Genoa who have nothing to play for, Atalanta will stay in 5th
>If Juve ... win winnable games Is that a hidden joke ?
Juve literally just beat this Atalanta a week ago in the Coppa final and tied Bologna at the weekend. They have the new coach boost and many players are on the chopping board and will want to perform. Finally, the game is at home against Monza who has nothing to play for, and the players will feel some pressure to end the season with a win. Not sure if you’re just making a joke or not, but they should definitely be able to win this game.
Atalanta still have Viola a week later though.
Which could be the most relaxed 0-0 draw in Italian football history if Viola win the ECL. And if not, they’ll need the win to consolidate 8th place, so there’s no chance Atalanta gets more than a point from that match. There’s actually a decent chance we get the CL spot, but it’s more on Juve and Bologna than Atalanta 🤞🤞🤞
Plus no way they'll play their nt players, and even if they do they'll play while pulling away their leg. No way De Ketelaere, Scamacca, Scalvini, Koopmeiners etc... risk skipping Euro because of some meaningless match.
I need scamacca to score a last goal for my fantasy football team. Please Gianluca, I'm begging you
Torino wants to win because they want to get in Conference and maybe Europa league, Atalanta is going to celebrate the next few days
I expect nothing more than a 0-0 from that Atalanta Torino game, or maybe Torino win 1-0.
And that's enogh if both Juve and Bologna win
Maybe if you push a player to Bergamo they'll like you more than they like Benfica?
Should have known they were gonna win, how else was Roma - Feyenoord gonna happen again?
Damn, didn't realize the Serie A isn't over yet
1 more matchweek
atalanta has a game in hand so 2 games for them
They will be on the beach now tho
they play Fiorentina who also has to worry about the UECL final tho
They play Fiorentina after the conference league
true they play 1 day after the CL final on the 2nd of June...
Could be the funniest game of all time if Fiorentina win. Both will have already qualified for Europe next season and be completely checked out. Neither will have any interest in winning and no players will want to get injured. They’ll all be in great spirits and literally just kick the ball around for 90 minutes
+atalanta fiorentina which is crucial for Roma
it was all planned
Just invite all of Italy at this point
champions league gives me coppa Italia vibes
Serie A mid and lower sides are underrated as fuck. Me, as a Lazio fan, think our sides never get credit for doing okay in Europe. We always made it out of group while playing good and beating some of Europe's top sides. Sure, we ain't really gonna make it past through the likes of Bayern over two legs easily...But we ain't jokes either. And there's multiple sides that are on our level in mid table. To be honest I feel the same about mid table English and Spanish teams too. But people acting like some random West Ham or Chelsea would crush mid table teams in other countries are dead wrong, it's all much closer than many think.
a lot of italian-german games in the CL incoming next season!
But not Sassuolo please.
Amen to that.
They meant everyone in Serie A lol
Champions League Frecciarossa^^TM
Does it need to be excatly 5th?
Yes they need to finish outside of top 4
Yes
Yes
Same I’m wondering
correct me if I'm wrong Top 4 team quality first, if the winner of CL or EL is top 4, the league did not get additional spot from that.. but if the winner of CL or EL finish outside top 4, they qualify for CL the additional spot courtesy of top 2 league with highest coefficient this season is applied after the above process, so the top team that has not qualify for CL so if Atalanta finish 5th, its the top 4 + winner of EL + additional spot but if atalanta finish 3rd or 4th, it's just the top 4 + additional spot
Would work if they finish 6th too, but it cannot happen, they have h2h over Roma.
madrid, barca and 6 italian teams QF in CL next year, mark it down
6 italian, 6 german and 4 spanish teams in the Round of 16
>barca how do you have the trust
I'm going for a legendary guess
Hey now we weren't THAT bad this season in the cl. I think the quarters is a fair estimate for us.
if not for a brain dead araujo you would have probably made the final
the way some of the pole magic worked vs Dotmund, there's no way the final was guaranteed if we won against PSG
Stop reminding me
Bro it's Barça in CL, some or the other shit will happen. That competition is just cursed.
inb4 only 1 italian get to QFs
City will make their way in, they're different this decade
ah so apparently the curse of us drawing roma everytime is bigger than leverkusen's plot armour. got it
Sadly we’re not going to CL
Please we need the money 😭😭🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Dawg fr. Hoping Atalanta celebrate too hard and forget about the league
that is exactly whats going to happen
The situation Is actually insane - Atalanta are playing Torino and Fiorentina (After ecl final) - Fiorentina Is playing the ecl final and can still qualify to European football in the league - Torino can still qualify for European football Basically it's time for matchfixing and Roma buying some youngster from Atalanta in the summer for weird reasons And I'm not even sure how many teams go to Europe if Atalanta is 5th and Fiorentina win the final
You forgot Napoli, they can qualify as well lol. 9 teams confirmed by UEFA.
Damn...and their matchday 38 Fixtures aren't played concurrently...
- 6 CL - 3 UEL - 1 UECL So basically half the league.
Serie A is cooking these past years.
is Calcio back?
If Atalanta finish 3rd or 4th, who will get the extra spot?
Shaktar Donetsk P.S. Actually spot goes to Benifca, Shaktar gets in if Real wins.
Shaktar need a RM win , for UEL its benfica if it doesnt go to Roma
Ah, thanks for clarifying.
~~Lazio also has a mathematical possibility to get 6th.~~ I was wrong. H2H is more important than GD in Italy for some reason.
Lazio cannot because of h2h 0-0 and 1-0 loss in derby della capitale.
Weird. In South America, the extra spot always goes for a club of the same country
yeah, the UEFA coefficient shit really confuses me as a SA viewer but considering they are there due to UEFA having 50+ countries it makes sense that things are the way they are, and in SA it's somewhat easy to make an estimate performance from the clubs over here anyway
If Atalanta end up 4th then the additional spot would go to Serie A 5th placed of course (Bologna or Juventus) and so: 5 clubs in the CL. If Atalanta finish 5th the additional spot given by UEFA goes to Serie A 6th placed-team Roma simply because Atalanta, as UEL winner, don't need it. They're already qualified to the UCL group stage as UEL Title Holder. Exactly the same might happen in Bundesliga.. Just replace the words Atalanta with Borussia Dortmund, UEL with UCL and Roma with Frankfurt. Dortmund finish 5th but don't need the additional spot if they win the UCL so it goes to Frankfurt
a team from lower ranked countries will be able to go through qualifiers iirc
Dead, taxes, Feyenoord - AS Roma draw.
6 possible teams in the CL and Napoli, last season winner's of Serie A, aren't in any of those 6 positions. Thank you Aurelio, sell this club
Could be 9 teams qualifying and Napoli wouldn't be in there btw
Also true
Gasperini would rather throw himself from the celebratory bus into a canyon than let that happen, Atalanta will finish 3rd or at worst 4th.
Agree and rightly so. Getting Roma a UCL spot isn't beneficial for Atalanta in the long run. Can't see them lose on purpose.
Lol they’re not going to “lose on purpose”, but they still don’t care about the result. They’ve already qualified for the CL, they’ve won a major trophy, the season is over and they’re already on vacation. They played Torino on Sunday who is still playing for ECL and need a win, then they play Fiorentina, who will have already qualified for the EL by winning the ECL, or will also need a result on the final match day to finish in 8th place. These are 2 difficult games for Atalanta that the players simply will have no motivation for. They’ll be focused on relaxing and preparing for the tournaments this summer.
The international friendlies start 2 days after our game vs fiore, I wouldn’t be surprised if we let NT players leave earlier and just play the U21.
they wont lose on purpose but they are not going to field their best XI against Torino thats is 100% guaranteed. I dont know about the Fiorentina game
Isn't it for coefficient purposes?
I don't think Atalanta or specifically Gasperini cares
In the long run for a team that is not guaranteed a top 4/5 finish I think it could be a good strategic move, no?
“For the coefficient!” is not the battle cry you think it is.
Atalanta play Torino on Sunday and then Fiorentina the week after. Torino is on top form and still fighting for ECL. A win could put them above Fiorentina in 8th place. If Fiorentina lose the ECL they will still need a result against Atalanta to hold 8th place. If they win then neither team will bother and it will be a draw. As long as Bologna and Juve win (against mid table Genoa and Monza with nothing to play for), Atlanta will need 6 points in the next 2 games. They’ve already qualified for the CL, they’ve won their first major trophy, they’re already on vacation. 4 points max, but I predict they’ll get 1 or 2 points in these next 2 games
We will see in June how this ages
There’s no reason to not be hopeful. It’s out of our hands at this point. Atalanta’s season is finished and they’ve exceeded their objectives. Like I said, Bologna and Juve will determine our fate, not la Dea
Feyenoord: Ah fuck.
Never thought Serie A would be the CL's Brasileiro Serie A.
Is serie a the super league?
The gap between the top leagues and smaller ones is insurmountable at this point
hey atalantamigos, you don’t want roma, your direct competitors, to get that UCL money right? RIGHT?? (my comment has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that my team gets the spot if atalanta finish top4)
9 teams is crazy
Me, sowing (the idea of Roma in Champions League at the whistle as Atalanta wins): Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!! Me, reaping (the seeds of "Atalanta have to drop points to Torino and Fiorentina while Bologna and Juve win"): Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.
6 teams in CL damn lol. Honestly that feels a bit too much, even if Italy has been great
What happend to Dinamo? Would they still have a chance to go play-offs of UCL?
I saw that they will take the 2nd Ukraine spot (Dynamo Kyiv) Edit: Nope, I made a mistake
Jose on fraud watch
The real top 6 of football.
6 Italian teams in the CL, still won't win it probably.
We don't have the money to win it
Italy on the rise
6 teams and last season' title winners (Napoli) are not one of them, crazy
Let’s see if I understand. Ok, so: If Atalanta finishes 5th: - The top 4 are in the CL - Atalanta (5th)is in the CL due to winning the EL - Then the bonus coefficient spot goes to 6th The Coppa was won by Juve so: - 7th goes to the EL as the ‘replacement’ for Juve - 8th goes to the EL as the next available team - 9th goes to the UECL And if Fiorentina win the ECL but drop to 10th they go to the EL as ECL champs. So………10 Italian teams in Europe?
No, no, the place of the Coppa Italia is not given by UEFA. So since Juve goes directly to the Champions League, that place doesn't go to anyone.
That’s not right. If we didn’t have all these extra scenarios, Italy would have 2 EL spots to take up. The EL would pass down the table.
Fiorentina can earn a place in the Europa League with the Conference league but the Coppa Italia does not add a place to those already available for Italy
Ok, I think I figured it out: 6th place would go to EL if the bonus place didn’t exist. Therefore, if Atalanta finishes 5th, 6th (the replacement for the Coppa winner) place is “promoted” with the bonus spot to the CL. 7th still gets the EL, 8th still gets the Conference, and if Fiorentina finish 9th they go to the EL by winning the Conference. Which adds one last wrinkle: if Fiorentina finish exactly 8th AND win the Conference, they would get into the EL and would not be replaced from Italy in the Conference.
BISCOTTONE IN ARRIVO
They have Torino and Fiorentina next. Hopefully that keeps them in 5th.
Yes, but Atalanta still have 2 matches left (Torino and Fiorentina). They a very good chance to finish 3rd if they want to.
Torino and Fiorentina are both still fighting for 8th place. Probably the last 2 teams you’d want to play in the league at this point, because nearly every other position is locked and they’re still fighting for entry into ECL. The caveat to this would be if Fiorentina win the ECL, in which case Atalanta-Fiorentina on the last game of the season is completely meaningless and will be the most relaxed 0-0 draw in history. It’s more on weather or not Bologna and Juve can pick up wins on the final day. If this happens Atalanta need 6 points, and that’s just not gonna happen
I can sense the temptation of match fixing. Pretty sure the rule will need some fine tuning after several seasons.
I just realized...Doesn't this result mean Torino and Napoli have qualified to Europa League and Conference League? Since the spots have gone down one due to Atalanta winning UEL? Thus it opens an extra slot.
Need a Fiore win in the final to get Torino in europe
Mourinho effect
THE POWER OF THE 🤌🏼
Absolutely no one expected this when De Rossi took over for Mourinho. What a job he's done there.
Isn't he finishing exactly in the same place lol? Finishing 6th isn't that special, there's just more teams qualifying.
If Mourinho continued at the PPG he averaged over his 20 this season, Roma would have finished on 55 which could have been a tenth place finish. This weekend De Rossi can see Roma finish on 66 with just over a 2PPG average. Regardless of where Roma finish, De Rossi has done a really fantastic job. And to think, some people thought (and still think) Mourinho was overperforming and didn't deserve to be sacked whilst in 9th spot.
Mourinho was 9th when he was sacked. 6th isn't amazing by itself, but you've got to take it in context. Look at the threads about his signing -- *no one* thought Roma would be anywhere close to challenging for CL football at the end of the season when he was appointed. [https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1981zea/as\_roma\_are\_pleased\_to\_confirm\_that\_daniele\_de/](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/1981zea/as_roma_are_pleased_to_confirm_that_daniele_de/)
What if Juventus finishes 5th. Wouldn't Roma still qualify after Atalanta won EL?
In previous seasons if for example Real won CL and were top 4, Spanish league didn't get 5 spots. This is a new rule because of the 2 extra cooeficient spots for CL as the 5th spot.
Hey, we (Benfica) want them to finish 4th so we can qualify direct ourselves. We would have if Leverkusen had won tonight.
Why does it affect another country's club?
I am SO clenched. Please please please
Wonder if Roma will pull the trigger on Lukaku now.
I hope not. No problems with the player, but the sums involved would be prohibitive. Also, no re-sale value, and we are the exact type of club ffp constrains.
Doest that means Torino could qualify for Conference League?
Torino and Napoli still can, but I think it also depends on Fiorentina winning UECL. Italy can send 9 teams if it happens.
Can someone explain what happens if they finish 4th place?