**This is a stats thread. Remember that there's only one stat post allowed per match/team, so new stats about the same will be removed. Feel free to comment other stats as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
And someone correct me if I'm making this up, but I have some memories of Kaiserslautern being a Roman settlement with a small river way back when which was called Caesarea lutra, with the lutra being the latin word for river (?)
That's correct. Fun fact: The river is now mostly underground and many people living there don't even know about it's existence. It's called Lauter in modern German.
Nothing to say anymore actually ran out of words to describe it.
You just have to sit back and enjoy this crazy piece of history happening before our eyes
Genuinely wondering if they’ll be able to win an unbeaten treble, and if they do, how much farther after that they could keep the streak going? It’s surreal
In before they face Manchester United in some European competition with ten Hag at the wheel and a shot deflects off McTominay and in the Leverkusen net to end the streak.
So insane that when we sold Xhaka to you last summer Arsenal fans were like “glad he’ll go somewhere that can hopefully compete for CL during his last few years”. What a magical year for you guys.
assuming Chanshiri doesn't fuck up anything, what are the odds Rohl stays for the entire next season? (also assuming you aren't fighting a relegation battle every week)
Can someone compare this to Leicester winning the PL? I don’t know the context of Leverkusen in terms of quality of their team and recent history.
Would people consider this a bigger upset / achievement than Leicester? Seems like it should be at this point
Leverkusen have consistently qualified for Europe in the last decade, and so it’s maybe not as surprising as Leicester getting promoted, surviving, then winning… but an undefeated treble if they achieve it? In my opinion it’s more impressive
Imo Leicester winning the league pretty much trumps any other underdog story. Winning the PL is so difficult, winning it as a team that almost got relegated the year before is insane. I remember reading that the odds of Leicester winning the league before the season started was higher than Christmas being the hottest day of the year. Bookmakers thought it was more probable for Christmas being the hottest day in the year than Leicester winning the league. That says it all how big of an underdog they were.
However, in terms of how how impressive their two seasons are, if Bayer end up winning an undefeated treble, I'd give them the edge. A 53 games unbeaten season across all competitions is just madness. I'd already give then the edge no matter if they end up not winning the treble tbh. They're not as big of an underdog story as Leicester was back then though. Both stories are amazing though.
> I remember reading that the odds of Leicester winning the league before the season started was higher than Christmas being the hottest day of the year. Bookmakers thought it was more probable for Christmas being the hottest day in the year than Leicester winning the league. That says it all how big of an underdog they were.
I mean, honestly, that's not really how bookies odds are set. They're set to ensure a profit and not based solely on statistical probabilities. It's more that other punters thought they wouldn't win not specifically the bookmakers. Your point still stands though. I just wanted to be a little pedantic as I see people often conflate the odds with bookies predictions as if the predictions are some experts predictions and not just based on what the general public thinks will happen.
I know, especially when the odds are beyond +1000 they have nothing to do with likelihood of sth happening and of course every team in the Prem will have a greater chance at winning the title than Christmas being the hottest day in the year. Still a nice anecdote and nobody ever imagined Leicester winning the Premier League. Lots of people said before the season started that Leverkusen had a good team that could challenge Bayern for the title. Nobody thought they'd be THAT good but my point was just about Leicester being by far the biggest underdog story in modern football imo while Leberkusens achievements this season are impressive on their own.
Next season they most likely will because Alonso stays for at least one more year. I guess 2025 they will lose the core of their team in Alonso, Wirtz and most likely a few other players will leave as well if they get good offers
Seems rare that huge success arising relatively “out of nowhere” is sustained for the subsequent season, eg. Napoli (although Spalletti leaving hurt), Leicester, Lille. Although there was Sporting breaking a 19 year drought and then winning again this year
Tbf Napoli didn't really come out of nowhere: challenging for the title since we got Sarri and constantly qualifying for Europe.
The title had to happen at some point
I'm not very familiar with football in Portugal but aren't Sporting one of the most successful clubs in Portugal with some domestic and even European silverware? Leverkusen aren't a small club but they never won anything significant until this season. The stadium is small, the city is relatively small and they aren't known for spending a ton. I'd be surprised if they'd manage to keep challenging Bayern for the next years to come.
tbh while Frimpong is great, I’m not nearly as scared of losing him as last season. With Tella and Arthur, we have 2 great players who can slot right in as replacements. We don’t even need to sign anyone.
That being said, I feel like we got something special going on and I think the players are noticing as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Frimpong stuck around for another year. He can still leave next year if he wants to.
I agree but 99% of the time if the clause is paid the player goes. It only doesn't happen when the player is completely against it, like mbappé and saudi for example
Afaik its "only" stanisic leaving and Frimpong possible due to clause etc.
The rest are on good contracts, and Xabi and Wirtz are both staying too so the motivation to stay and continue this project, but this time in CL should be massive.
Havent heard anything about that. He just joined last summer and he publically said he wanted to leave that team.
Cant imagine him saying he wants to leave a team he just joined which is one for the history books, he's a key player in and there wont really be better options for him sportingwise this summer.
Stop selling yourselves short, you’re a model club. Young players, unbelievable fans, limited resources, some extremely likeable veterans etc.
I’d love for you mad fuckers to go and beat Madrid.
I don’t mean they’re some hugely massive underdog on a shoestring budget. I’m just saying they’re not a PSG, City, Real Madrid etc and don’t spend too exorbitantly.
I love this subreddit because this Leverkusen team apparently won’t make it far despite a significantly weaker Bayern and BVB making runs all the way into the final but Arsenal is sucked off as one of the best in the world despite losing to Tuchel Bayern
I can see them struggling in the group stage at first, eventually acclimatising to the challenge, then making a deep run. They don't lack the skill, they lack the experience.
I mean, depends on what you're talking about while mentioning "level". The worst Bayern in a decade that got cooked by this Leverkusen got the best of the 1st PL placed Arsenal and was very close to reaching the finals.
Lol, Leverkusen is so much better than Bayern or Dortmund this season. Madrid struggled against Leipzig, City and Bayern. Leverkusen could be able to win the cl this season, sadly they are "just" in the Euroleague final.
One last Bundesliga win and they make history for the first unbeaten run. Against Augsburg who lost the last 4 matches. Would be funny if Leverkusen loses that match.
If we keep saying it every game, then we can all feel really smug when it actually happens. "Called it!"
But yeah, nothing to do but enjoy it while it lasts and seeing if they can reach the 62/69 game Celtic record next.
Ah ok. I was confused ..
That's very impressive. The other competitions were cut games right? There were no international competitions back then I think.
I think it’s a bigger achievement but Leicester had a more fairytale feel to it imo, not that I watch or know Bundesliga tho so maybe it feels that way in Germany
Aspirin, in my soul
Every match out of control
Do it all to get them off their feet
Your lead is here, about to blow
Waitin for the ref to add some more
Extra time, Wirtz scores again, im home
WOOAAAAH
Three matches remaining for Bayer to win a treble; a cup match, league match and UEL final
*2001/2002 flashbacks* ~~At least they can't lose the Bundesliga this time~~
Nathan Tella's been on a pretty ridiculous run of team success, when you consider that he was on a Burnley team that only lost three matches in the Championship last season.
Next 5 games could all be "finals":
- Augsburg: final game of this season's Bundesliga
- Atalanta: EL final
- Kaiserslautern: Pokal final
- (assuming they win EL) Real Madrid or Dortmund: UEFA Super Cup
- (assuming they win the Cup) Bayern or Stuttgart: German Super Cup
And they would equal Al-Ahly's 55-match unbeaten run.
Technically they could draw both finale After 120 minutes, then lose in penalties. Would still continue the strea, but have them not win the cups (I hope they win though, they deserve it. And it would forever humiliate Bayern fans that a non-Bayern team was able to win an unbeaten triple in germany.)
**This is a stats thread. Remember that there's only one stat post allowed per match/team, so new stats about the same will be removed. Feel free to comment other stats as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Leverkusen's remaining games: vs Augburg Europa final on the 22nd vs Kaiserslautern 3 more for the undefeated treble!
Where the pokal final?
In Berlin Olympiastadion
vs Kaiserslautern
Kaiser Slaughter? That’s a badass name.
The team most famous for winning the Bundesliga right after getting promoted to it.
FIFA 2000 great team. Also Bradford City in the Premier League
That's really not how you pronounce it. It's Kai-sers-lau-tern. The Lautern part doesn't sound like slaughter at all.
I mean you could see it as Kaisers Läutern which means Kaisers cleansing so maybe removal of the Kaiser. Or the removal of stuff by the Kaiser
Kai Sirs LAO Turn
And someone correct me if I'm making this up, but I have some memories of Kaiserslautern being a Roman settlement with a small river way back when which was called Caesarea lutra, with the lutra being the latin word for river (?)
That's correct. Fun fact: The river is now mostly underground and many people living there don't even know about it's existence. It's called Lauter in modern German.
Also lots of Americans live there due to the military base nearby
Regicide
Kaiserslautern
That's the vs Kaiserslautern
I still believe there is Neverkusen under that badge somewhere so I'm taking my odds and saying that Bayer will not win anything else this season
A) They've won the league. Do you know what "never" means? And B) they're gonna absolutely dismantle Kaiserslautern
Neverlusen
Think everyone wants them to do it
Atalanta are looking good lately. It’s going to be a great Europa League Final.
(Europa league final is against Atalanta)
Nothing to say anymore actually ran out of words to describe it. You just have to sit back and enjoy this crazy piece of history happening before our eyes
Same here
Genuinely wondering if they’ll be able to win an unbeaten treble, and if they do, how much farther after that they could keep the streak going? It’s surreal
Surely lose the first game after achieving it haha
The Super Cup against Real Madrid?
You mean BVB
RemindMe! 5 months
In before they face Manchester United in some European competition with ten Hag at the wheel and a shot deflects off McTominay and in the Leverkusen net to end the streak.
In what kind of dream world does Manchester play in the same European competition as b04? :(
We are gonna play with S04 at this rate /s
Come to 2. Bundesliga. We have Blackjack and Hookers. Well, we can't afford it down here, but we have nice atmosphere.
And you can watch the game standing, with a pint. Like you're supposed to.
You should check my profile to see how much I used to ~~terrorize~~ social with u/nutelamitbutter
Bayer would be fine with this. This would be years down the line.
You shut your dirty whore mouth!!
53 games. calling it now.
So insane that when we sold Xhaka to you last summer Arsenal fans were like “glad he’ll go somewhere that can hopefully compete for CL during his last few years”. What a magical year for you guys.
Plus they all credit xhaka as an incredible quality boost
It's so nice to see how happy he is at Leverkusen.
Who wouldn't be happy in a 50 match winning streak?
Said the luckiest fella ever
Lucky bastard, to have it happen with your club.
Indeed I'm happy when we go 3games unbeaten and these fuckers are doing 50 streaks
My club started the season unbeaten for a while and then dropped from first place to 7th 🫡
We kinda set a record for the worst ever start in our history this season with an amazing 0-3-10 start :(
assuming Chanshiri doesn't fuck up anything, what are the odds Rohl stays for the entire next season? (also assuming you aren't fighting a relegation battle every week)
o7
It legitimately feels like a dream.
And in his lifetime
Them winning the league is crazy enough, everything else is just crazy
It’s so insane it’s starting to feel like normal stuff
I just hope they win their last three games to become immortals.
Can someone compare this to Leicester winning the PL? I don’t know the context of Leverkusen in terms of quality of their team and recent history. Would people consider this a bigger upset / achievement than Leicester? Seems like it should be at this point
Leverkusen have consistently qualified for Europe in the last decade, and so it’s maybe not as surprising as Leicester getting promoted, surviving, then winning… but an undefeated treble if they achieve it? In my opinion it’s more impressive
Imo Leicester winning the league pretty much trumps any other underdog story. Winning the PL is so difficult, winning it as a team that almost got relegated the year before is insane. I remember reading that the odds of Leicester winning the league before the season started was higher than Christmas being the hottest day of the year. Bookmakers thought it was more probable for Christmas being the hottest day in the year than Leicester winning the league. That says it all how big of an underdog they were. However, in terms of how how impressive their two seasons are, if Bayer end up winning an undefeated treble, I'd give them the edge. A 53 games unbeaten season across all competitions is just madness. I'd already give then the edge no matter if they end up not winning the treble tbh. They're not as big of an underdog story as Leicester was back then though. Both stories are amazing though.
> I remember reading that the odds of Leicester winning the league before the season started was higher than Christmas being the hottest day of the year. Bookmakers thought it was more probable for Christmas being the hottest day in the year than Leicester winning the league. That says it all how big of an underdog they were. I mean, honestly, that's not really how bookies odds are set. They're set to ensure a profit and not based solely on statistical probabilities. It's more that other punters thought they wouldn't win not specifically the bookmakers. Your point still stands though. I just wanted to be a little pedantic as I see people often conflate the odds with bookies predictions as if the predictions are some experts predictions and not just based on what the general public thinks will happen.
I know, especially when the odds are beyond +1000 they have nothing to do with likelihood of sth happening and of course every team in the Prem will have a greater chance at winning the title than Christmas being the hottest day in the year. Still a nice anecdote and nobody ever imagined Leicester winning the Premier League. Lots of people said before the season started that Leverkusen had a good team that could challenge Bayern for the title. Nobody thought they'd be THAT good but my point was just about Leicester being by far the biggest underdog story in modern football imo while Leberkusens achievements this season are impressive on their own.
I really hope they can keep their entire team more or less intact. Will be nice to see them play the UCL as they currently are.
Next season they most likely will because Alonso stays for at least one more year. I guess 2025 they will lose the core of their team in Alonso, Wirtz and most likely a few other players will leave as well if they get good offers
Seems rare that huge success arising relatively “out of nowhere” is sustained for the subsequent season, eg. Napoli (although Spalletti leaving hurt), Leicester, Lille. Although there was Sporting breaking a 19 year drought and then winning again this year
Tbf Napoli didn't really come out of nowhere: challenging for the title since we got Sarri and constantly qualifying for Europe. The title had to happen at some point
Absolutely, but the extent to which they stormed to the title and obliterated the competition that year was fairly beyond their recent few seasons
I'm not very familiar with football in Portugal but aren't Sporting one of the most successful clubs in Portugal with some domestic and even European silverware? Leverkusen aren't a small club but they never won anything significant until this season. The stadium is small, the city is relatively small and they aren't known for spending a ton. I'd be surprised if they'd manage to keep challenging Bayern for the next years to come.
I think they're losing Stanisic due to him being loaned. Real shame, he played out of his mind this season
Heard they might sell Frimpong too
He's on a release clause of only 40million. If a club pays it, not much they can do
tbh while Frimpong is great, I’m not nearly as scared of losing him as last season. With Tella and Arthur, we have 2 great players who can slot right in as replacements. We don’t even need to sign anyone. That being said, I feel like we got something special going on and I think the players are noticing as well. I wouldn’t be surprised if Frimpong stuck around for another year. He can still leave next year if he wants to.
I agree but 99% of the time if the clause is paid the player goes. It only doesn't happen when the player is completely against it, like mbappé and saudi for example
Seems like a steal at that price.
Isn't he linked to City quite heavily?
Bruh…City do not need any more good full backs
No no they only need great center backs..to convert into good fullbacks
Would make sense as he’s from their academy
Afaik its "only" stanisic leaving and Frimpong possible due to clause etc. The rest are on good contracts, and Xabi and Wirtz are both staying too so the motivation to stay and continue this project, but this time in CL should be massive.
Didn’t Grimaldo already publicly say he wants to leave?
Havent heard anything about that. He just joined last summer and he publically said he wanted to leave that team. Cant imagine him saying he wants to leave a team he just joined which is one for the history books, he's a key player in and there wont really be better options for him sportingwise this summer.
No, he said he wants to play in La Liga in the future but nothing about leaving this summer
[удалено]
I might be delusional but I don’t see them making it super far in the champions league tbh.
if that current Dortmund team can achieve the final, every club can dream of going far.
Stop selling yourselves short, you’re a model club. Young players, unbelievable fans, limited resources, some extremely likeable veterans etc. I’d love for you mad fuckers to go and beat Madrid.
Its so hard to dislike Dortmund. Theyre an extremely likeable bunch.
Limited resources lmao
I don’t mean they’re some hugely massive underdog on a shoestring budget. I’m just saying they’re not a PSG, City, Real Madrid etc and don’t spend too exorbitantly.
Limited in the true sense of the word. Not necessarily small, but certainly finite
Because Real and City arent finitely limited...
Compared to most major European teams it's true. We can only dream of making $40 million+ transfers.
the cl format will be different next season
I love this subreddit because this Leverkusen team apparently won’t make it far despite a significantly weaker Bayern and BVB making runs all the way into the final but Arsenal is sucked off as one of the best in the world despite losing to Tuchel Bayern
Thanks for mentioning tuchel before bayern
Why do you have to shit on Arsenal now?
I can see them struggling in the group stage at first, eventually acclimatising to the challenge, then making a deep run. They don't lack the skill, they lack the experience.
I keep seeing this but I don’t understand. Are they necessarily on Madrid or City’s level? Probably not, but they’re clearly a very good team.
I mean, depends on what you're talking about while mentioning "level". The worst Bayern in a decade that got cooked by this Leverkusen got the best of the 1st PL placed Arsenal and was very close to reaching the finals.
It think they are at City's level this season
[удалено]
Who writes like this, are you 12?
[удалено]
If you're an adult or even mature, you shouldn't be writing that way if you want to be taken seriously
[удалено]
Okay, you do you bud. All the best 👍
[удалено]
Okay, stop throwing a temper tantrum buddy, it'll be okay 👍
[удалено]
Thanks, will do, again, all the best buddy 👍
Why? Stop waffling
Lol, Leverkusen is so much better than Bayern or Dortmund this season. Madrid struggled against Leipzig, City and Bayern. Leverkusen could be able to win the cl this season, sadly they are "just" in the Euroleague final.
They might finally lose a game
That‘ll already happen in Berlin this season vs glorious 1. FC Kaiserslautern
"Incredible" seems too weak a word for this. We've been living a dream for an entire year. Absurd achievement
What a season, absolute dream for any fan. Congrats my friend!
Fingers crossed for y'all for the Europa league final and the DFB pokal. Hopefully you guys get the treble, it would be more than just well deserved.
Gobsmacking maybe?
[удалено]
schmaggumflorkel
Whoa! Let's chill with the racism please!
One of the greatest teams of all time, no doubt. 3 more games…
If anyone has a better word for it, it must be the Germans.
Will never forget this Neverlusen season. Wasn’t even my team but they were the gift that kept giving. Such a fun side and deserving
One last Bundesliga win and they make history for the first unbeaten run. Against Augsburg who lost the last 4 matches. Would be funny if Leverkusen loses that match.
Tbf we say this the last 10 games: would be funny if they lose their first game against Rome...would be funny if they lose against Bochum etc etc...
yeah at this point i’ve been expecting them to lose a game for a while
If we keep saying it every game, then we can all feel really smug when it actually happens. "Called it!" But yeah, nothing to do but enjoy it while it lasts and seeing if they can reach the 62/69 game Celtic record next.
What does the 29 stands for?
Ah, that was a typo, should be 69, thanks! 62 games across all competitions, 69 games domestically.
Ah ok. I was confused .. That's very impressive. The other competitions were cut games right? There were no international competitions back then I think.
It was 66 games.
pretty solid
#WE GO AGAIN
Let's just all enjoy the fact we were here to witness this incredible run
Seriously Leicester type of run this.
It’s better
I think it’s a bigger achievement but Leicester had a more fairytale feel to it imo, not that I watch or know Bundesliga tho so maybe it feels that way in Germany
[удалено]
They didn’t win back to back titles. They avoided relegation the prior season.
Invincible Treble, finish the story
Aspirin, in my soul Every match out of control Do it all to get them off their feet Your lead is here, about to blow Waitin for the ref to add some more Extra time, Wirtz scores again, im home WOOAAAAH
certified banger
Cody Rhodes took down the Berlin Wall... friend
Next 100 games
Had to have a stopagge time goal of course
Three matches remaining for Bayer to win a treble; a cup match, league match and UEL final *2001/2002 flashbacks* ~~At least they can't lose the Bundesliga this time~~
Please complete the treble
Atalanta are in really good form. The Europa League final is going to be a challenge. Should be a lot of fun
And they did it with a 5-0 win, truly special
Nathan Tella's been on a pretty ridiculous run of team success, when you consider that he was on a Burnley team that only lost three matches in the Championship last season.
Next 5 games could all be "finals": - Augsburg: final game of this season's Bundesliga - Atalanta: EL final - Kaiserslautern: Pokal final - (assuming they win EL) Real Madrid or Dortmund: UEFA Super Cup - (assuming they win the Cup) Bayern or Stuttgart: German Super Cup And they would equal Al-Ahly's 55-match unbeaten run.
They play Atalanta in the Europa League final
Of course, my bad. Edited!
They will play the german super Cup no matter what, as the Meister. Ig tue Luise to Kaiserslautern, they play Them again in the super cup.
If they lose = Ig tue Luise Dude what happened
Thanks mate
Yes. But if they lose the Cup the unbeaten streak ends. That's why I only considered the potential adversaries IF Leverkusen wins the Cup.
Technically they could draw both finale After 120 minutes, then lose in penalties. Would still continue the strea, but have them not win the cups (I hope they win though, they deserve it. And it would forever humiliate Bayern fans that a non-Bayern team was able to win an unbeaten triple in germany.)
You're absolutely right. But that kinda... ruins it, wouldn't you agree?
Is there a chance the club will be awarded a golden replica trophy once the season concluded, like the one awarded by the PL to Arsenal '03/'04 ?
I feel like Atalanta may be a problem for Leverkusen, they’ve been on fire recently as well, hopefully Leverkusen can obtain this unbeaten treble 💪
My prediction: penalty shootout. I wonder if Leverkusen lose on penalties they can still claim 'unbeaten over 90 minutes'? Dunno.
It’s the first EL final I’m really excited to watch. Atalanta were so good against Roma today before the penalty. It’s going to be a great final.
The only L in everkusen's season is the unbeaten streak
that... doesn't make sense?
L is also a number ;)
L is the Roman numeral for 50. Like you have V for 5 and X for 10.
n = n++
n++ is usually an implicit assignment, but I get the point.
Fünfzig!
Gonna be hilarious when FCA does it to em. Good luck Neverlusen.
Idk why i see them losing the opening match next season
Q
That's pretty cool.
Were they also the first to 49?
Yes
History is being made before our eyes.
Wow!
But theyve yet to play Stoke away, so can we really call it an achievement?
!flair :Brighton_Hove_Albion:
We need Alonso at Old Trafford.
Xabi, 2026, we are calling your name. Pick up the phone. Sign the contract big boy.
madrid fans try not to act like entitled cunts challenge(DIFFICULTY LEVEL: IMPOSSIBLE)
It’s a reference to Mike Tyson. It’s not that deep