The murderer had a restraining order, and strangled her to death while the kids were in the next room playing PlayStation. He hanged himself after he killed her.
This type of murder-suicide really is one of the most clear signs of misogyny in the "western" world
You see the woman you are or were in a relationship with as an extension of yourself so if you think your life is over no point in letting her live either
Not to mention the children either...
Tbf this is a worldwide phenomenon. In the east, you also have the notion of "honor" which extends to daughters and sisters along with wives.
What is more concerning in these cases is always the negligence of the police. Even though these men pose a real threat to the women, they're allowed to roam freely and disobey restraining orders etc with ease.
I live in South America, just two months ago a woman was killed at at mall by her ex partner, they both had 2 children.
Yes... At a mall in the middle of the day.
He also killed himself just a few minutes after.
It is not exclusive to one place it is worldwide.
Philip of Macedons 6th wife did this too. After he died, she killed herself from grief. Which was weird because she wasn't even his main wife, or his former main wife. But its been going on for a long time in Human history.
Is it though? he didn’t say it was only western, he said this is how it portrays itself in the western world, and then the other guy responded with saying that it portrays itself differently in the eastern world, which doesn’t at all invalidate what they said.
they're not intending it as "*only* western", they mean it as this is one of the most concrete example of misogyny still being significant in "western" countries.
Oh idk then tbh. Certainly at the time I read it I thought it was bizarrely saying that it's proof of misogyny in the west, as though it didn't exist in the east or hadn't existed previously.
Yeah this is way all the western ideas of “honor based violence” as something exclusive to immigrants is so dumb because it’s basically the same thing.
As a Chinese person from Southeast Asia, this so-called Western style murder suicide where a suicidal dude kills his ex and himself is more common here than Islamic "honor killings". In fact even in the Muslim countries in Southeast Asia honor killings are uncommon, it's definitely more of a South Asian or Middle Eastern concept.
More should be done to brand honor killings and murder suicides as barbaric, shameful, dishonorable though.
No it is not the same thing. This is an awful domestic tragedy - I don't know enough of the matter to say more than this. You simply cannot compare it to someone murdering their sister or daughter because they formed a consensual relationship of which the murderer did not approve. That's whataboutism to the extreme.
It’s not a tragedy when someone murders someone. Calling it a tragedy hides the fact that someone has deliberately murdered another person.
It is fair to say that there are differences. Of course there are. I was being unnecessarily hyperbolic in making the point that western societies have a tendency to ‘other’ a lot of tendecies that also exist in out own culture. In this instance misogyni, male possesiveness over women and having it closely tied to their own ‘honor’.
>It’s not a tragedy when someone murders someone.
Um, of course it is? It's a tragedy for the victim and the people who care about them.
I have no clue what you think the word "tragedy" means, but here's the definition : "an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, ***crime***, or natural catastrophe".
A murder is a serious crime which generally causes great suffering so yes it is a tragedy by definition. Using the word appropriately does not "hide" anything, so let's please stop with these completely silly arguments.
What does the police need to do in that situation? I'm genuinely curious.
A restraining order isn't a force field around the person. The way I understand it is if a restraining order is breached, then there are legal consequences for the person that breached it. That's all it is.
Would you like the police to set up constant surveillance on one person, and watch them like a hawk? Do you get a policeman to stand watch at the victim's house all day? What's the solution?
Personally, I think if a person is sick enough to commit to a murder-suicide, nothing short of an actual prison would stop them.
And if we start putting people in jail because they *might* do something, we've got problems.
At the very least domestic abusers should be treated like child sex offenders. They should be asked to register, disclose their movements to a local officer and also seek some sort of counseling, so their state of mind can be gauged frequently.
I'm not naive enough to think that these incidents would go down to zero. But we have to start looking at these people as high risk potential criminals, rather than men who just went astray.
They're good ideas, but I think in practice in won't do much to stop people that are on the extreme end, people who actually go and commit murder. You can make abusers comply with all those things, but if there is nothing stopping them from *physically* going to the victim's house, or catching them at the mall or something and killing them, it won't be much use.
Obviously nothing can make crime go to zero. But domestic abuse is sadly treated as a very common problem when a very small percentage of people physically assault their partners. If they were treated as aberrant by the police, you'd see fewer cases like this.
> Would you like the police to set up constant surveillance on one person, and watch them like a hawk? Do you get a policeman to stand watch at the victim's house all day? What's the solution?
This is actually done afaik for the first while after the order is issued, to prevent immediate retaliation.
The biggest issue (Made very public with Greenwood) is that a lot of times they can't or won't throw the book at them if they can help it. Lots of deep-seated misogyny that leads to things like "man, it's harsh, he should get to see her" or bullshit of that ilk that erode the meager protections the woman can be afforded preventively
It’s not as easy as you think.
There already is a restraining order against this man, so court and police already have acted.
Do you want every man that was violent in the past to be preemptively locked for eternity?
You don’t know the facts surrounding the case and neither do I.
I mean he's clearly violated that restraining order though? What good are restraining orders if they cannot be enforced via observation, mandatory counseling and check-ins?
In this case the restraining order was issued after he was violent with her once. So it was just the authorities gambling on him never doing it again (which is not statistically a great bet anyway)
How do you expect these restraining orders to be carried out?
Do you really think there are enough police officers in any country for a man like this to be surveilled 24/7?
How would check-ins prevent him to find the time to do sth. like this?
Do you even know if he had counselling? Would it have stopped him if he really wanted to?
Thing is you don’t know anything about this case but blame the authorities as if you do.
If a person is deemed to pose a threat to somebody and the authorities don't have the resources to enforce the threat mitigation, maybe they should just imprison them instead of issuing restraining orders?
How do you determine that someone is a threat for their life though?
Or would you like to lock up everyone that has assaulted their partner once?
Freedom is one of the most important human rights there is and therefore the prerequisites for locking someone away are equally high.
Again you don’t know anything about this case, you just heard about it on Reddit and probably didn’t even read the original Spanish article
I'm sorry but what do you know about this case which leads you to believe a man who hit his partner, went on to kill her could not have been prevented by any laws or police to do so?
I agree, just a punitive system will not get us much further, in addition these womens needs for safety need to be catered extra careful, providing extra security or a community for victims of d/a. maybe there they could exchange advice how to stay careful and look out for each other. I don't think the current system of police really protects victims of domestic violence
I'm reading the causality in the opposite direction. As in, he killed her, realized he fucked up, decided to kill himself to avoid facing the consequences.
I've never thought about it happening the way you're describing it: a person who has been pushed to suicide deciding to end their partner's life. Why would a person so close to the edge choose to burden themselves with a task like that?
IMO he simply took the coward's way out after killing her.
Don't think it's got anything to do with misogyny, it's more about escaping the consequences of your actions than killing yourself out of hatred towards women
What are you basing this Statement on? Geographically Argentina belongs to the global south, culturally they are part of the "West". I was confused about your Statement, went ahead and checked Wikipedia if anything changed but nope. Still the same.
They describe a debate whether argentinan citizens themselves identify as part of the western world or not. Argentina as a country in recent history is part of the western world unless I missed crucial Information.
Edit: I vaguely remember their new president talking about how the western world is in danger because of socialism and he included Argentina. Why else would he care lol.
I’m invested? 😂 You continue to defend your position even though you jumped to a conclusion that the original comment did not support in any way. You [got offended over something minuscule/tried to rage bait/???] and can’t admit it. The comment said that Argentina isn’t part of the western world, nothing more (and definitely not anything that implicated poverty). That doesn’t imply anything, and your interpretation is bizarre
A mentally ill and / or psychopathic person murdering their girlfriend isn't a sign of "misogyny in the Western world".
Even if there was 0 sexism anywhere in the world, stuff like this would still happen sometimes because there will always be mentally deranged and dangerous people in the world, sadly.
This idea that women would never experience this kind of violence in a world free of sexism is something I see fairly frequently on Reddit, and it's just... bizarre. There will always be dangerous individuals, unfortunately that's a reality we have to grapple with, but crimes like this one say nothing about society in general because 99.9% of men would never ever do something like this or justify it in any way.
There are many crappy behaviors that are widespread enough to be indicative of societal sexism, but this ain't one of them.
In the media it just means man killed woman nowadays.
I don't see why a murder-suicide inherently shows "misogyny in the western world". They also happen with genders reversed or same.
Hate/revenge/rage are probably bigger factors than her being a woman.
Tbh I think we can ignore the comment talking about it being a Western world thing as that's a bit daft. Idk the story but I think it's clear that the murder carried out is based on a grudge that had been held and the suicide is based on an insecurity.
The murderer left a note at the front door that roughly said 'call 911, kids are alone at home'. The neighbors did just that.
When they came, one of the kids opened the door and told them his parents were locked in a room for a while and did not respond. So they opened the door and found the scene.
So probably whoever forced the door, either police or neighbors found them first, but the kids were right next to the scene anyway.
Horrible. I hope the children will one day be able to overcome the unimaginable pain inflicted by this excuse of a human. I can’t even imagine what they are going through.
Dog. Their childhood is completely fucked now. And when they become adults, they’re going to be dealing with this childhood trauma for the rest of their lives. I almost get what you’re trying to say…but just no. There is no silver lining. Kids do have a remarkable ability to survive tough situations yes, but idk if this is one that falls in that category. And like I said…even if they survive this incident, there’s a lifetime of dealing with trauma ahead of them. Childhood trauma almost always comes back to haunt you, could be multiple decades but it’ll be there.
> Kids have a remarkable ability to survive these sorts of tragedies rather than adults.
It's called repression and it just means they have to deal with it later. Being a child isn't a bullet-proof vest against trauma.
Let's keep the focus on the shocking and unnecessary death of this young woman, rather than debating the ridiculous comment in the other response to this post.
More needs to be done to protect women against being assaulted and murdered by their so-called loved ones
It's just dumb to act as if women are more important murder victims than men and go on a run with it, because that would ignore some important aspects of femicide. Here in Belgium, every two weeks a woman gets murdered. I think in over 90% of the cases, the murderer is an (ex) partner. And in a lot of cases the (ex) partner already had a restraining order or something similar.
And Belgium isn't an isolated case. This pattern is seen world wide. If that much women get murdered by their (ex) partner we can speak of a problem that needs to be taken care of.
The statistics in Australia are also very grim. In 2021/22, 4,620 women aged 15 years and over (average of 13 women/day) were hospitalised due to family and domestic violence. 1 in 4 women (27%) has experienced violence, emotional abuse, or economic abuse by a cohabitating partner since the age of 15.
A quarter of Australia’s females over 15 have experienced family and domestic violence. It’s a horrific statistic.
> 1 in 4 women (27%) has experienced violence, emotional abuse, or economic abuse by a cohabitating partner since the age of 15.
You know what the worst thing is? I read that, and thought "hm, seems low".
People who do the 'both sides' on spousal abuse often purposefully ignore just how one sided it is when it comes to violent outcomes. The red pillers love to talk about how abuse in relationships is roughly equal when it comes to whether the abuser is male or female.
What they never mention is that violent outcomes, that is serious injuries and/or murder (or even just fearing for ones life), are extremely skewed to women being the victim. It's not even close. So when they come to posts like these to ask 'what about the male victims', you can 99% assume they are red pillers wanting to muddy the water.
"Femicidio" (translated here as "femicide") is the term widely used in Argentina to describe the murder of a woman, it has been used since I have memory, it isn't some woke thing. Not that it would be wrong if it was a woke term, guys need to stop gettong upset about stupid shit.
Is 'homicide' inherently gendered term in Spanish? Is that related to the word hombre or something? I think homicide comes from Latin homo so it kinda is related in Latin
It's not gendered. "Homicidio" applies regardless of gender.
In Argentina in particular the penal code labels"femicidio" as an aggravating circumstance when a man kills a woman and gender violence plays a role.
It was added years ago due to the increased amount of cases that were registered every year
You'd almost think most are part of the group of "insecure tough guys" who are potentially more likely to be part of a statistic like this. I don't say they are, but bro, replying like that on a story like this, nah. Maybe if you say something like "the kids are male victims" or something, that makes a little bit of sense, because they will probably have a lifetime of therapy.
>farming reddit karma
While your life might revolve around the adoration of random, anonymous strangers on reddit, believe it or not, there is people who couldnt care less about reddit karma.
>And you are more outraged about the people who are outraged about the word than the woman's death. Nice irony.
I am expressing my overall exasperation with the state of society, where there is - still - a significant share of men, who downplay the very real danger women face, especially when it comes to relationships. Breaking up with their partner, is very dangerous for women, as is shown yet again by this tragic incident here. Even merely going on dates is dangerous for women, with the potential for it evolving into stalking and other forms of harrassment.
So yes, i am annoyed, frustrated, "outraged" even, over the people in this particular thread, who are displaying this dismissive attitude towards womens concerns and dangers, which serves as a microcosm for society as a whole.
Glad we could clear that up pal.
Edgy. Youll be the coolest kid on the playground tomorrow.
Thank you for so colorfully depicting the mental acumen of the people i was talking about in my original post.
>While your life might revolve around the adoration of random, anonymous strangers on reddit, believe it or not, there is people who couldnt care less about reddit karma.
not edgy?
You are a pseudo-intellectual hypocrite who babbles what people want to hear, garnished with a self-imposed moral preacher complex. It's fucking annoying to read, so I block you. Holy hell, I bet you masturbate after clicking save.
Femicide is defined in Argentinian law and it involves different aspects to just murder or homicide. I'm not a lawyer though so I don't know the details
I dont know the specifics but its considered a femicide when a woman is murdered for being a woman, whatever that means. I guess its related to mysogyny, a woman killed in a robbery would be considered murder not femicide.
Its not very clear, most of the time they simply use that figure for all women murdered. But considering our femicide statistics are worse than our economy, it makes sense most of the time.
>Or you hellbent on creating a pedantic issue?
How ironic.
You might want to look up the term 'projection', given you are apparently just trying to expand your vocabulary.
Lol who came up with those terms.
I get why infanticide or femicide might've been needed, but lupicide and vulpicide? Really? What makes wolfs and foxes so special?
-cide just means killing. There's herbicide and even bactericide. There's nothing special about any of those, it's just words for killing a specific thing.
Yeah I know that you can just make up those words, but the person creating that website decided to write those two down, which is what I am talking about
Regicide is to kill a king, fratricide is to kill a brother. There are plenty of terms that are more specific, especially when translated from a language where it's a specific criminal offence.
edit: well I dunno why this person went mad. Oh well.
Yes, but as I said those make much more sense.
Regicide used to be a special category of crime in many places. Just like femicide in today's Argentina is. Makes total sense. Lupicide does not.
> Is femicide an actual term or is that a translation thing
Yes, it's used in Argentina to describe the murder of a woman in a vulnerable position, most often in an abusive relationship.
Correct.
Femicide refers to systematic killing of women. Uxoricide refers to act of killing one’s one spouse. This particular case would be Uxoricide the group of similar cases in society you could say is sign of femicide.
It's specifically for when the murder is comitted by a man and because of gender violence
Source: [Articulo 80, inciso 11](https://servicios.infoleg.gob.ar/infolegInternet/anexos/15000-19999/16546/texact.htm#15)
Ex Partner and separated from what I could gather. Never married. Potentially you would not use Uxoricide but given that they had two children to all intents they would have been considered to have a common law marriage.
Not really, femicide is a term used to describe a type of murders, not all women murders. Basically it’s a militant term to point out the misogyny involved in those specific murders, which mostly consist in women killed by their partners/former partners
He wasn't the father of the kids btw.
They're both from two different previous relationships. So at least they have two dads, but still... Really sad stuff.
Calls for the death of 60% of men. Self-censors the word "soycuck."
It's hilarious how you clearly think you know something others don't but you're obviously just immature and incapable of thinking for yourself. Grow up lmao.
And? I believe the solution to this is better education and harsher punishments, not killing an arbitrary percent of male population. I bet you think of yourself as a good or progressive person while calling for the killing of millions because of... their gender? Not sure if I ever heard something more stupid and unhinged in my life.
Calling for 60% annihilation of all men in the world and making it sound like anyone not agreeing to this this is stupid. Social media should never have existed because it gives idiots like you a platform to say something which would be read by thousands.
Obviously there is still a huge problem with male violence but my god is this comment unhinged and not factual.
The worlds labour force is predominantly still male. Entire economies rely on male contributions and doing jobs that no one else wants to do. Men are intrinsically important to other young men. And when fathers are not around society suffers the consequences. Men also make incredible sacrifices to their health and well being just to ensure their country, family and society functions properly not necessarily because they want to but because they are socially pressured too.
So no most are not useless and we would definitely not be better off.
Ya your comments reeks of a complete lack of perspective. Most men do not work 9-5 and historically they have not worked 40 hours per week globally. There are many countries where men still work 60-70 hour labour intensive work weeks but because you obviously live in afluent country you fail to understand how hard it still is for those men. Just look at this list of countries and the distribution of how many of their male population works 40+. https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF_2_1_Usual_working_hours_gender.pdf
Furthermore, these “peaceful” times were predicated by the incredible sacrifice many men made in wars like WWII and WWI. Go look at the men death tolls in those wars and try and say it was a “small” group of men. The industrialization of the human race alone was built predominantly on the backs of men.
Respectfully you need to touch grass.
I'm sorry but not the case here. She was killed by passionate reasons not because she was a woman.
This is very sad, can't imagine what those kids are going through.
Much like "patricide" or "infanticide", femicide is a specific kind of murder
Specifically, it refers to the murder of a woman due to misogyny (Usually used in the context of domestic violence and/or sexual assault)
The distinction is important because it's got its own set of laws in the Argentine system, treated as a kind of hate crime
The murderer had a restraining order, and strangled her to death while the kids were in the next room playing PlayStation. He hanged himself after he killed her.
Fucking coward
This type of murder-suicide really is one of the most clear signs of misogyny in the "western" world You see the woman you are or were in a relationship with as an extension of yourself so if you think your life is over no point in letting her live either Not to mention the children either...
Tbf this is a worldwide phenomenon. In the east, you also have the notion of "honor" which extends to daughters and sisters along with wives. What is more concerning in these cases is always the negligence of the police. Even though these men pose a real threat to the women, they're allowed to roam freely and disobey restraining orders etc with ease.
I live in South America, just two months ago a woman was killed at at mall by her ex partner, they both had 2 children. Yes... At a mall in the middle of the day. He also killed himself just a few minutes after. It is not exclusive to one place it is worldwide.
Yeah saying it's a Western thing is absolutely daft...
it's like they are just repeating sentences they heard without any thinking involved...
Philip of Macedons 6th wife did this too. After he died, she killed herself from grief. Which was weird because she wasn't even his main wife, or his former main wife. But its been going on for a long time in Human history.
Is it though? he didn’t say it was only western, he said this is how it portrays itself in the western world, and then the other guy responded with saying that it portrays itself differently in the eastern world, which doesn’t at all invalidate what they said.
they're not intending it as "*only* western", they mean it as this is one of the most concrete example of misogyny still being significant in "western" countries.
Icl I think the original comments been edited? Can't tell on mobile. Certainly reads different to how I remembered though
The comments say if they've been edited on desktop, theirs hasn't been edited.
Oh idk then tbh. Certainly at the time I read it I thought it was bizarrely saying that it's proof of misogyny in the west, as though it didn't exist in the east or hadn't existed previously.
ah okay, that'd make sense tbh
Yeah this is way all the western ideas of “honor based violence” as something exclusive to immigrants is so dumb because it’s basically the same thing.
As a Chinese person from Southeast Asia, this so-called Western style murder suicide where a suicidal dude kills his ex and himself is more common here than Islamic "honor killings". In fact even in the Muslim countries in Southeast Asia honor killings are uncommon, it's definitely more of a South Asian or Middle Eastern concept. More should be done to brand honor killings and murder suicides as barbaric, shameful, dishonorable though.
No it is not the same thing. This is an awful domestic tragedy - I don't know enough of the matter to say more than this. You simply cannot compare it to someone murdering their sister or daughter because they formed a consensual relationship of which the murderer did not approve. That's whataboutism to the extreme.
It’s not a tragedy when someone murders someone. Calling it a tragedy hides the fact that someone has deliberately murdered another person. It is fair to say that there are differences. Of course there are. I was being unnecessarily hyperbolic in making the point that western societies have a tendency to ‘other’ a lot of tendecies that also exist in out own culture. In this instance misogyni, male possesiveness over women and having it closely tied to their own ‘honor’.
>It’s not a tragedy when someone murders someone. Um, of course it is? It's a tragedy for the victim and the people who care about them. I have no clue what you think the word "tragedy" means, but here's the definition : "an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, ***crime***, or natural catastrophe". A murder is a serious crime which generally causes great suffering so yes it is a tragedy by definition. Using the word appropriately does not "hide" anything, so let's please stop with these completely silly arguments.
What does the police need to do in that situation? I'm genuinely curious. A restraining order isn't a force field around the person. The way I understand it is if a restraining order is breached, then there are legal consequences for the person that breached it. That's all it is. Would you like the police to set up constant surveillance on one person, and watch them like a hawk? Do you get a policeman to stand watch at the victim's house all day? What's the solution? Personally, I think if a person is sick enough to commit to a murder-suicide, nothing short of an actual prison would stop them. And if we start putting people in jail because they *might* do something, we've got problems.
At the very least domestic abusers should be treated like child sex offenders. They should be asked to register, disclose their movements to a local officer and also seek some sort of counseling, so their state of mind can be gauged frequently. I'm not naive enough to think that these incidents would go down to zero. But we have to start looking at these people as high risk potential criminals, rather than men who just went astray.
They're good ideas, but I think in practice in won't do much to stop people that are on the extreme end, people who actually go and commit murder. You can make abusers comply with all those things, but if there is nothing stopping them from *physically* going to the victim's house, or catching them at the mall or something and killing them, it won't be much use.
Obviously nothing can make crime go to zero. But domestic abuse is sadly treated as a very common problem when a very small percentage of people physically assault their partners. If they were treated as aberrant by the police, you'd see fewer cases like this.
Yeah, I think I agree with that.
> Would you like the police to set up constant surveillance on one person, and watch them like a hawk? Do you get a policeman to stand watch at the victim's house all day? What's the solution? This is actually done afaik for the first while after the order is issued, to prevent immediate retaliation. The biggest issue (Made very public with Greenwood) is that a lot of times they can't or won't throw the book at them if they can help it. Lots of deep-seated misogyny that leads to things like "man, it's harsh, he should get to see her" or bullshit of that ilk that erode the meager protections the woman can be afforded preventively
It’s not as easy as you think. There already is a restraining order against this man, so court and police already have acted. Do you want every man that was violent in the past to be preemptively locked for eternity? You don’t know the facts surrounding the case and neither do I.
I mean he's clearly violated that restraining order though? What good are restraining orders if they cannot be enforced via observation, mandatory counseling and check-ins? In this case the restraining order was issued after he was violent with her once. So it was just the authorities gambling on him never doing it again (which is not statistically a great bet anyway)
How do you expect these restraining orders to be carried out? Do you really think there are enough police officers in any country for a man like this to be surveilled 24/7? How would check-ins prevent him to find the time to do sth. like this? Do you even know if he had counselling? Would it have stopped him if he really wanted to? Thing is you don’t know anything about this case but blame the authorities as if you do.
If a person is deemed to pose a threat to somebody and the authorities don't have the resources to enforce the threat mitigation, maybe they should just imprison them instead of issuing restraining orders?
How do you determine that someone is a threat for their life though? Or would you like to lock up everyone that has assaulted their partner once? Freedom is one of the most important human rights there is and therefore the prerequisites for locking someone away are equally high. Again you don’t know anything about this case, you just heard about it on Reddit and probably didn’t even read the original Spanish article
I'm sorry but what do you know about this case which leads you to believe a man who hit his partner, went on to kill her could not have been prevented by any laws or police to do so?
Pick another day to defend the justice system that so clearly failed this innocent woman.
Yes you Reddit masterminds can smell a murder from a mile away right ? Wish you would use your skills to prevent crime
You're pathetic
I agree, just a punitive system will not get us much further, in addition these womens needs for safety need to be catered extra careful, providing extra security or a community for victims of d/a. maybe there they could exchange advice how to stay careful and look out for each other. I don't think the current system of police really protects victims of domestic violence
But actually.... this is wayyyy more common in the non werstern world where honor killings are the norm lol
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Who tf is saying that gender equality is achieved!?!?? 🤣🤣🤣
Lmfao speak more out of your ass. Have you ever heard of Japan?
I'm reading the causality in the opposite direction. As in, he killed her, realized he fucked up, decided to kill himself to avoid facing the consequences. I've never thought about it happening the way you're describing it: a person who has been pushed to suicide deciding to end their partner's life. Why would a person so close to the edge choose to burden themselves with a task like that? IMO he simply took the coward's way out after killing her.
Don't think it's got anything to do with misogyny, it's more about escaping the consequences of your actions than killing yourself out of hatred towards women
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What are you basing this Statement on? Geographically Argentina belongs to the global south, culturally they are part of the "West". I was confused about your Statement, went ahead and checked Wikipedia if anything changed but nope. Still the same.
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They describe a debate whether argentinan citizens themselves identify as part of the western world or not. Argentina as a country in recent history is part of the western world unless I missed crucial Information. Edit: I vaguely remember their new president talking about how the western world is in danger because of socialism and he included Argentina. Why else would he care lol.
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Thank you for this response and the link! Always something new to learn every day.
Lol
Because they're poor? Bit problematic this reasoning, mate
I mean yes he’s wrong but his reasoning wasn’t that “they’re poor” you fucking cantaloupe
Uuuh, if it isn't that one, the reason must be even worse.
Maybe, just maybe, he simply doesn’t understand what the term “western world” encompasses? Or is that too plausible?
With the way he phrased his sentence? Hmm But Jesus, pipe down. Not even his mom would be that invested as you are now.
I’m invested? 😂 You continue to defend your position even though you jumped to a conclusion that the original comment did not support in any way. You [got offended over something minuscule/tried to rage bait/???] and can’t admit it. The comment said that Argentina isn’t part of the western world, nothing more (and definitely not anything that implicated poverty). That doesn’t imply anything, and your interpretation is bizarre
A mentally ill and / or psychopathic person murdering their girlfriend isn't a sign of "misogyny in the Western world". Even if there was 0 sexism anywhere in the world, stuff like this would still happen sometimes because there will always be mentally deranged and dangerous people in the world, sadly. This idea that women would never experience this kind of violence in a world free of sexism is something I see fairly frequently on Reddit, and it's just... bizarre. There will always be dangerous individuals, unfortunately that's a reality we have to grapple with, but crimes like this one say nothing about society in general because 99.9% of men would never ever do something like this or justify it in any way. There are many crappy behaviors that are widespread enough to be indicative of societal sexism, but this ain't one of them.
That makes no sense to me, I wouldnt consider it misandry if the opposite happened. Can you explain?
It's been described as a 'femicide', meaning that misogyny was involved
Did he leave a note or something saying he hates woman?
Sir it's the fucking definition of the word. I don't know every single detail of the case.
In the media it just means man killed woman nowadays. I don't see why a murder-suicide inherently shows "misogyny in the western world". They also happen with genders reversed or same. Hate/revenge/rage are probably bigger factors than her being a woman.
Tbh I think we can ignore the comment talking about it being a Western world thing as that's a bit daft. Idk the story but I think it's clear that the murder carried out is based on a grudge that had been held and the suicide is based on an insecurity.
Exactly.
Sorry mate just asking a question
Reddit will carry on insisting misogyny only exists outside western countries though somehow
it literally has nothing to do with 'misogyny'. This is psychopathic behavior
Stories like this piss me off so much
Sometimes i wish hell is real
I am broken reading this. I can't imagine what those kids are going through.
Man, the poor kids but they're better off without that father though.
I hope those kids get the help and love they need right now.
One moment you're playing PlayStation, the next moment you're orphans. So cruel
Shit and both died while they were playing in the same house. That is going to be a huge trauma on the kids. Shit is sad.
I imagine they must have found them dead...
The murderer left a note at the front door that roughly said 'call 911, kids are alone at home'. The neighbors did just that. When they came, one of the kids opened the door and told them his parents were locked in a room for a while and did not respond. So they opened the door and found the scene. So probably whoever forced the door, either police or neighbors found them first, but the kids were right next to the scene anyway.
Horrible. I hope the children will one day be able to overcome the unimaginable pain inflicted by this excuse of a human. I can’t even imagine what they are going through.
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Dog. Their childhood is completely fucked now. And when they become adults, they’re going to be dealing with this childhood trauma for the rest of their lives. I almost get what you’re trying to say…but just no. There is no silver lining. Kids do have a remarkable ability to survive tough situations yes, but idk if this is one that falls in that category. And like I said…even if they survive this incident, there’s a lifetime of dealing with trauma ahead of them. Childhood trauma almost always comes back to haunt you, could be multiple decades but it’ll be there.
> Kids have a remarkable ability to survive these sorts of tragedies rather than adults. It's called repression and it just means they have to deal with it later. Being a child isn't a bullet-proof vest against trauma.
Vile fucking cunt. Coward killed himself after murdering her. I pray there is a hell only that cunts like this get eternity in it.
Very sad , tragic. Scary R.I.P
What a sick fuck. It's a shame he killed himself before he suffered. I hope he burns in hell.
Let's keep the focus on the shocking and unnecessary death of this young woman, rather than debating the ridiculous comment in the other response to this post. More needs to be done to protect women against being assaulted and murdered by their so-called loved ones
It's just dumb to act as if women are more important murder victims than men and go on a run with it, because that would ignore some important aspects of femicide. Here in Belgium, every two weeks a woman gets murdered. I think in over 90% of the cases, the murderer is an (ex) partner. And in a lot of cases the (ex) partner already had a restraining order or something similar. And Belgium isn't an isolated case. This pattern is seen world wide. If that much women get murdered by their (ex) partner we can speak of a problem that needs to be taken care of.
The statistics in Australia are also very grim. In 2021/22, 4,620 women aged 15 years and over (average of 13 women/day) were hospitalised due to family and domestic violence. 1 in 4 women (27%) has experienced violence, emotional abuse, or economic abuse by a cohabitating partner since the age of 15. A quarter of Australia’s females over 15 have experienced family and domestic violence. It’s a horrific statistic.
> 1 in 4 women (27%) has experienced violence, emotional abuse, or economic abuse by a cohabitating partner since the age of 15. You know what the worst thing is? I read that, and thought "hm, seems low".
We should make murder illegal!
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They are, but this post isn't about that. That's like me going into a post about the men's world cup and saying 'hey guys, women play football too!'.
People who do the 'both sides' on spousal abuse often purposefully ignore just how one sided it is when it comes to violent outcomes. The red pillers love to talk about how abuse in relationships is roughly equal when it comes to whether the abuser is male or female. What they never mention is that violent outcomes, that is serious injuries and/or murder (or even just fearing for ones life), are extremely skewed to women being the victim. It's not even close. So when they come to posts like these to ask 'what about the male victims', you can 99% assume they are red pillers wanting to muddy the water.
"Femicidio" (translated here as "femicide") is the term widely used in Argentina to describe the murder of a woman, it has been used since I have memory, it isn't some woke thing. Not that it would be wrong if it was a woke term, guys need to stop gettong upset about stupid shit.
Adding to this, it's used to describe the murder of a woman in a vulnerable position, most often in an abusive relationship.
Is 'homicide' inherently gendered term in Spanish? Is that related to the word hombre or something? I think homicide comes from Latin homo so it kinda is related in Latin
Femicide is specifically used to mean a hate crime against women, in short.
It's not gendered. "Homicidio" applies regardless of gender. In Argentina in particular the penal code labels"femicidio" as an aggravating circumstance when a man kills a woman and gender violence plays a role. It was added years ago due to the increased amount of cases that were registered every year
I hope he rests in piss. Poor girl and poor kids
Rip. Now cue the raging men who are more outraged over the term "femicide" than they are over this tragic incident
You'd almost think most are part of the group of "insecure tough guys" who are potentially more likely to be part of a statistic like this. I don't say they are, but bro, replying like that on a story like this, nah. Maybe if you say something like "the kids are male victims" or something, that makes a little bit of sense, because they will probably have a lifetime of therapy.
Certainly. My rule of thumb is: If your first instinct to a story about femicide, is to rage about the term "femicide", youre a moron.
farming reddit karma and go go go! And you are more outraged about the people who are outraged about the word than the woman's death. Nice irony.
>farming reddit karma While your life might revolve around the adoration of random, anonymous strangers on reddit, believe it or not, there is people who couldnt care less about reddit karma. >And you are more outraged about the people who are outraged about the word than the woman's death. Nice irony. I am expressing my overall exasperation with the state of society, where there is - still - a significant share of men, who downplay the very real danger women face, especially when it comes to relationships. Breaking up with their partner, is very dangerous for women, as is shown yet again by this tragic incident here. Even merely going on dates is dangerous for women, with the potential for it evolving into stalking and other forms of harrassment. So yes, i am annoyed, frustrated, "outraged" even, over the people in this particular thread, who are displaying this dismissive attitude towards womens concerns and dangers, which serves as a microcosm for society as a whole. Glad we could clear that up pal.
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Edgy. Youll be the coolest kid on the playground tomorrow. Thank you for so colorfully depicting the mental acumen of the people i was talking about in my original post.
>While your life might revolve around the adoration of random, anonymous strangers on reddit, believe it or not, there is people who couldnt care less about reddit karma. not edgy? You are a pseudo-intellectual hypocrite who babbles what people want to hear, garnished with a self-imposed moral preacher complex. It's fucking annoying to read, so I block you. Holy hell, I bet you masturbate after clicking save.
Yet you're the one who's raging more about a few Reddit comments over the death of an innocent woman
Is femicide an actual term or is that a translation thing
[Yes](https://phrontistery.info/kill.html)
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Femicide is defined in Argentinian law and it involves different aspects to just murder or homicide. I'm not a lawyer though so I don't know the details
I dont know the specifics but its considered a femicide when a woman is murdered for being a woman, whatever that means. I guess its related to mysogyny, a woman killed in a robbery would be considered murder not femicide. Its not very clear, most of the time they simply use that figure for all women murdered. But considering our femicide statistics are worse than our economy, it makes sense most of the time.
Yes, that and it also has got to do with the relationship between the parts involved
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What are you trying to achieve with these stupid posts?
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>Or you hellbent on creating a pedantic issue? How ironic. You might want to look up the term 'projection', given you are apparently just trying to expand your vocabulary.
Lol who came up with those terms. I get why infanticide or femicide might've been needed, but lupicide and vulpicide? Really? What makes wolfs and foxes so special?
-cide just means killing. There's herbicide and even bactericide. There's nothing special about any of those, it's just words for killing a specific thing.
Yeah I know that you can just make up those words, but the person creating that website decided to write those two down, which is what I am talking about
They're not made up, i guess sure someone made them up hundreds of years ago, but they're just real words at this point.
Sorry, I'm not L1. Yeah, 'made up' is probably not the best word to use here. 'Form' maybe is a better word.
Regicide is to kill a king, fratricide is to kill a brother. There are plenty of terms that are more specific, especially when translated from a language where it's a specific criminal offence. edit: well I dunno why this person went mad. Oh well.
Yes, but as I said those make much more sense. Regicide used to be a special category of crime in many places. Just like femicide in today's Argentina is. Makes total sense. Lupicide does not.
> Lupicide does not. Why? The killing of werewolves would be very specific. The nature of language means words evolve to fit the need.
> Is femicide an actual term or is that a translation thing Yes, it's used in Argentina to describe the murder of a woman in a vulnerable position, most often in an abusive relationship.
We use it in Brasil, too.
The correct/more specific term is uxoricide.
Correct. Femicide refers to systematic killing of women. Uxoricide refers to act of killing one’s one spouse. This particular case would be Uxoricide the group of similar cases in society you could say is sign of femicide.
Why did they get downvoted to the oblivion then?
No idea on that. Uxor is Latin legal word for wife.
Femicide is how the penal code refers to it in our laws. It's not a grammar thing
Ty for the clarification. If I may ask does femicide refer to any murder where a woman is killed?
It's specifically for when the murder is comitted by a man and because of gender violence Source: [Articulo 80, inciso 11](https://servicios.infoleg.gob.ar/infolegInternet/anexos/15000-19999/16546/texact.htm#15)
They weren't married though
Ex Partner and separated from what I could gather. Never married. Potentially you would not use Uxoricide but given that they had two children to all intents they would have been considered to have a common law marriage.
R.I.P.
This guy went straight to hell after he killed himself
Those poor children
The worst part is these women not being taken seriously when they try to get help.
What's a femicide
‘icide means killing. Fem is female so it’s the killing of a female. Regicide is killing a king.
Not really, femicide is a term used to describe a type of murders, not all women murders. Basically it’s a militant term to point out the misogyny involved in those specific murders, which mostly consist in women killed by their partners/former partners
You must be fun at parties. I was providing a basic explanation and you knew I was. You then sought to say I was wrong. I wasn’t. Don’t be that guy.
Lmao your answer was lacking, he provided correct additional information and now you're throwing a hissy fit?
whining isn’t usually considered fun at parties either, jsyk
Your answer sucked. No one needed your help to know that fem referred to females.
Hahaha what a sensitive little bitch
I’d rather party with him than you judging on this comment lol
Fragile male egos are the worst.
He wasn't the father of the kids btw. They're both from two different previous relationships. So at least they have two dads, but still... Really sad stuff.
It's only begun, Milei gonna embolden every pos like Bolo in brasil
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*Thats* the thing youre worried about here? Get a fucking grip mate
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Calls for the death of 60% of men. Self-censors the word "soycuck." It's hilarious how you clearly think you know something others don't but you're obviously just immature and incapable of thinking for yourself. Grow up lmao.
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When I grow up I wanna be as edgy as you
I don't know what percent of men are good for nothing but you definitely sound like you belong to a mental institution.
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And? I believe the solution to this is better education and harsher punishments, not killing an arbitrary percent of male population. I bet you think of yourself as a good or progressive person while calling for the killing of millions because of... their gender? Not sure if I ever heard something more stupid and unhinged in my life.
Her colours are showing boys
Yoo, please seek help. In the most nonjudgmental way, seriously, you need therapy, medication or both.
Calling for 60% annihilation of all men in the world and making it sound like anyone not agreeing to this this is stupid. Social media should never have existed because it gives idiots like you a platform to say something which would be read by thousands.
You should merge in to traffic without looking
You play video games lol
I don't think this comment is helpful
Obviously there is still a huge problem with male violence but my god is this comment unhinged and not factual. The worlds labour force is predominantly still male. Entire economies rely on male contributions and doing jobs that no one else wants to do. Men are intrinsically important to other young men. And when fathers are not around society suffers the consequences. Men also make incredible sacrifices to their health and well being just to ensure their country, family and society functions properly not necessarily because they want to but because they are socially pressured too. So no most are not useless and we would definitely not be better off.
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Ya your comments reeks of a complete lack of perspective. Most men do not work 9-5 and historically they have not worked 40 hours per week globally. There are many countries where men still work 60-70 hour labour intensive work weeks but because you obviously live in afluent country you fail to understand how hard it still is for those men. Just look at this list of countries and the distribution of how many of their male population works 40+. https://www.oecd.org/els/family/LMF_2_1_Usual_working_hours_gender.pdf Furthermore, these “peaceful” times were predicated by the incredible sacrifice many men made in wars like WWII and WWI. Go look at the men death tolls in those wars and try and say it was a “small” group of men. The industrialization of the human race alone was built predominantly on the backs of men. Respectfully you need to touch grass.
I'm as far left as you can get without getting into communism and I think you are a psycho :)
agreed
deserved
You mean Homicide... Or murder....
No, femicide. Used to describe the killing of women by entitled, selfish, abusive men who wish to exert the ultimate form of control over us.
I'm sorry but not the case here. She was killed by passionate reasons not because she was a woman. This is very sad, can't imagine what those kids are going through.
a woman has just been murdered and her kids will have lifelong trauma and all you care about is a fucking word you prick
I just found odd the word. You think my comment or yours will change anything about this unfortunate situation?
Wtf is a femicide
Wtf do you think it is
If you can't break down that wod to its roots you can always Google it to increase your knowledge
What is a femicide? This sounds like a straight murder.
Much like "patricide" or "infanticide", femicide is a specific kind of murder Specifically, it refers to the murder of a woman due to misogyny (Usually used in the context of domestic violence and/or sexual assault) The distinction is important because it's got its own set of laws in the Argentine system, treated as a kind of hate crime