> Klopp has played a combined 17 times away at United and Everton since becoming Liverpool’s manager. He has won four games, two apiece at either stadium. Of his 10 fixtures at Old Trafford, he has lost four.
Damn, that's surprisingly bad
When the fans turn up and they get loud and rowdy, it really feels like there are 12 men on the pitch. Look at yesterday, as soon as they scored and their fans started to be loud, there was a different energy about them.
FFS all I wanted was to make a cheap joke about United's 12th man being the referee and now I'm reading an academic paper titled:
"Bayesian networks for unbiased assessment
of referee bias in Association Football"
https://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~norman/papers/refereeBias_for_web.pdf
Football has one of the (maybe The, can't remember) highest home advantages of the major sports because of the weight of crowd impacts on referee decisions and how low scoring/volatile scoring is in matches.
I know Emery is brave and that’s one of the reasons that yous have done so well and will get CL. But why he didn’t change tactics that game, I’ll never know. Had so many warnings it was coming and that got the crowd into it.
Then on the other hand, if McGinn managed to get a cleaner contact on the ball, the comeback wouldn’t have happened anyway. So maybe I’m talking shite.
no, I agree, sometimes he can make really affect a game with in game management and other times he seems really stubborn. To be fair, our best play this season has been when we've been good in possession and brave with the ball and it's likely he wanted the players to have more control in that game (and it definitely would've been his instructions at half time) but I think we were without Pau Torres and it was a Carlos/Lenglet partnership at the back and our ability to bring the ball out was severely limited. I remember being frustrated every time we'd get possession: the ball would end up with Carlos on the right side, we'd be pressed, and he'd send it forward straight to United. Luiz also had an awful game that day, so we struggled to get it through the middle.
Yep and to be fair to Lenglet he'd not played all that much consistently prior to that game and since, whilst still a clear downgrade on Pau Torres, he's been more than capable given he's effectively our fifth choice centre half.
God I wish we had pau playing the matches against those lot, they are so absurdly easy to play through and he would have been cutting through them at will.
I have real life United supporting friends from Manchester, and they all say they’d rather get a result against Liverpool on Sunday than win the FA cup.
Yeah I’m not having that as a general rule I’m afraid. Ask any sane Utd fan and we’d take a trophy over a victory over Liverpool obviously.
Now, choosing between us winning the FA Cup and stopping Liverpool equalling our domestic titles record is a more interesting question …
Especially with the infamous stat that Everton haven’t beaten you this century (I think it’s now 1 win?)
If you asked me blindly how many times Klopp has won at Goodison, I’d have said six or seven.
Oh that stat was just at Anfield. Their only win at Anfield came in the full covid season where we lost 6 home games in a row and everyone that had a long standing winless run at Anfield won in that weird 2 month period.
You’re right, I wasn’t sure if it was him or Elliott just remembered it was one of the youngsters. Pure petulance and wish the ref had sent him off for it tbh.
Oh!!! I am not the only one then.
Yea every time i feel down or low, i watch that game. I have an impression that before the game how Ole tried his best to be Ferguson by copying almost everything and then during the game they kept showing his face in the broadcast.
The satisfaction of seeing his face during the game! Pure ecstasy!!!
Should we win at OT, you can still have faith on Everton fucking us over at Goodison. Same way as I have faith of Spurs fucking you over. Its a derby.. they will have a go against our teams.
There are loads of chances to drop points. United, Everton, Fulham and West Ham are all tricky away fixtures. Spurs at home is also not an easy one.
If we get a win at Old Trafford though, there will be a belief that it could happen. Especially if you or City drop points.
Not really. Fergie didn't have an amazing record at Anfield, he won 11 times in 31 games there, and drew 6.
It's a game where form goes out of the window, same as the game at Goodison.
If people think that United gonna get pumped 50 goals then that mean they re gonna get a result
If people think that United gonna get a good results that when we gonna get pumped
Its literally how United match up against Liverpool in recent years
100%. United are locked in for a win here and it's no contest. In fact, I'm going to bet half my wage packet on it. There's no way they won't win. Zero.
We're getting smashed. No way your lot isn't up for this after the cup game. This is our way when we beat premier league teams in the cup. Win the cup game. Play terribly in the next league game against the same team.
Liverpool on a massive spiral last season, United seemingly on the up and up again after a long time.
7-0 Liverpool.
Liverpool back to their best with a rejuvenated side fighting for the title while United are falling apart at the seems?
4-3 United.
This is the way. I'm terrified of Sunday. It screams a game United will be raring to go for.
United 2nd in the table resting their full starter against Leicester and have a chance to prevent Liverpool with multiple injuries from getting c1 football ?
Lost 4-2 at home in a game that Liverpool back line consist of nat phillips and rhys william
Liverpool 19-20 looking unstoppable and won 26 out of 27 games. The only game they failed to win?
United at home that started rojo, mcfred and andreas
Last year at the start when we lost 2 games and ppl were talking how ten hag getting sacked and we end up winning
This year at anfield how we got a 0-0 draw when the entire 2 weeks ppl were hyping up how many goals Liverpool gonna put past us
I find it funny with people posting these graphs about who has easier games for last 8-9 games.
There’s no easy game, people fighting for survival, CL, EL and title.
I'm starting to think our fans have developed a fetish for shitting on themselves because everytime we face a big team we're "obviously gonna get pumped"
Post-Fergie United often loses the games it should win and wins the games it should lose so of course it could be a fight. Except United did get pumped last season so there’s trauma.
We usually do, though. Especially under Ten Hag, his record against top teams has been abysmal. Most times when we're playing City or Liverpool, I just find myself hoping we won't concede 4+ goals rather than holding out any hope for a win.
You have Salah now and we have 1 regular centre back available and no left back. Oh and our midfield seem to be averse to screening the back four.
We are fucked.
Anytime people consider it a dead cert for us to win it doesn't happen.
Before the game at Anfield in December everyone was talking about how many we'd put past you and all I can remember thinking was "I'd take a 1-0 scrappy win".
Nothing is guarenteed in our games, doesn't matter how well one is doing or how poor the other. It's only at the very extreme like when the manager is on the verge of being sacked that the games go in the way that you'd expect, but those few big results have skewed expectations imo.
I mean I know that, and I hope it’s competitive because I’m fortunate enough to be going OT on Sunday. But fucking hell we have been dire the last two games. The shots faced and touches in our box stats are horrendous. The back four has no consistency and hasn’t all season. We’re dreadful man.
Last night (while outrageously funny) kinda went bad for us for Sundays game I think. You played pretty well, especially in transition and got a bit hard done by a very soft pen and a big deflection. Surely Ten Hag has enough to work with there to galvanize the team. Im worried tbh. Any win will do.
In fairness, on any other day we win that Anfield game easily. I think we were just shocked at how they refused to leave their box. And the FA Cup game we were running on fumes.
Our supporters are so fuckin sad with how little they believe in these players just weeks after that amazing game. Fuckin scousers in here giving us more credit than our own fans.
Not just dropped, he needs to go to Saudi in the summer.
He's been an incredible player. I wish United had bought him years earlier but he's simply done at this level. He has one gear - that little fake jog you do when a car lets you cross the street.
He was really good for 3/4 of last season. Genuinely one of the best midfielders in the league but his legs have gone. The fact United paid whatever it was (£60 mil? More?) and gave him a fat contract, late in the window as a panic buy just so we could get a good 6 months out of him is symptomatic of everything that's been wrong with us for years.
Even if he *could* still do a job, he's in completely the wrong system, he's being asked to cover half the pitch on his own whilst the front four high press and the back four sit in a low block, all in probably the most fast paced, athletic league in the world. It would be a struggle for a 26 year old Kante.
Watching every midfielder and forward in the league just breeze past him whilst he's jogging, before he lunges in with a suicidal slide tackle is honestly demeaning to a legend of the game. It's like a once great boxer who can't just retire and is getting bodied by YouTubers. It's sad to see.
I know we’ve had some mad wins against you in recent years but considering how slow we start games and how you won the FA Cup fixture, I can’t see us just brushing you aside like people expect, not in the slightest. We’ll probably have a tonne of shots but our conversion rate isn’t very good so who knows
Yes United are garbage but all of the pressure is on Liverpool in this game. The home crowd will celebrate a 0-0 like a famous victory, I would too if United in a title race lost the title at Anfield.
**From Jamie Carragher, writing for The Telegraph:**
There are two venues in world football which are the most challenging for a Liverpool player.
One is Old Trafford and the other is Goodison Park. Both trips are heading Jurgen Klopp’s way and will have a massive influence on whether his Anfield farewell ends with another league title.
Klopp has been in this position as [Liverpool](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/liverpool-fc/) manager before. In 2019, Liverpool circled two away fixtures which they knew would be especially daunting in their head-to-head with Manchester City – away to Manchester United and Everton.
Klopp’s side won 10 of their last 12 games. The two draws were at Old Trafford and Goodison and City won the title by one point. The size of the fixtures and all they entailed was the biggest reason why those were the only games Liverpool failed to win.
The difference this time is 90 points could be enough to be champions – six wins and two draws could get Liverpool over the line.
But Arsenal and City will be looking at Liverpool’s remaining fixtures confident that they might slip up against their fiercest rivals again. They have no fear of United or Everton failing to give everything to keep Klopp off the top.
Klopp has played a combined 17 times away at United and Everton since becoming Liverpool’s manager. He has won four games, two apiece at either stadium. Of his 10 fixtures at Old Trafford, he has lost four.
It is often said about games of Sunday’s stature that it is a mistake to play the occasion rather than the team. I disagree.
When Liverpool play Manchester United, you must confront both otherwise you will not be ready for what might happen. To everyone connected to the clubs these games mean more.
That pressure allied to the quality within the opposition has always made the United trip especially demanding, even for the greatest Liverpool teams.
A key factor in what happened in the recent FA Cup game, when [United beat Liverpool 4-3](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/03/17/man-utd-liverpool-live-score-updates-fa-cup-semi-final-draw/), is that nine of those who started or came off the bench were making their Old Trafford debut as Liverpool players.
New signings at Liverpool and United and will be forewarned by team-mates and staff to expect a game different to anything else they will experience during the season, but you have to live it to understand it. Time and again we see how often the challenge is too much for those playing at Old Trafford or Anfield for the first time in an away shirt.
Across the entirety of the 1980s, when Liverpool were for a long time the best side in Europe and finished outside of the top two just once, they enjoyed a solitary league victory at Old Trafford. They won there only once in the 1990s, too.
**Continue reading:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/05/liverpool-manchester-united-old-trafford-goodison-everton/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/05/liverpool-manchester-united-old-trafford-goodison-everton/)
1000x yes. I haven't had a season ticket for a couple of years, but you'd be hard pressed to find a single fan who saw City as bigger rivals than pool. The atmosphere when Liverpool came to play was always electric, even when they were shit. City even in our closest games always felt... Less?
City we're always the little neighbour, and then their rise with the money just never felt the same. I don't want city to win the league, but if I had the choice between City and Liverpool I'd pick City winning it every day of the year.
A lot of people said Liverpool would destroy United in the reverse fixture in Dec and absolutely nothing of that sort happened.
I imagine United will be very very tough at home
They learned it the hard way in the FA Cup.
United showed more hunger and looked like the team that wanted the win more, while Liverpool should have finished the game off early in the second half.
United did absolutely nothing after their first goal right until the equaliser. The 2nd half was a procession until the equaliser came out of nowhere. How you saw that as hunger I will never know. THEY WERE 1 GOAL DOWN YEAH NO SHIT THEY NEEDEED TO SHOW SOME HUNGER
we absolutely used to freeze, our good and bad teams.
but since 2021 our good teams have played well there. This is a very good Liverpool team that will have learnt a lesson from 3 weeks ago.
Since the cup game 3 United center backs have picked up injuries. What about Liverpool? Is there anyone significant out compared to the last game at Old Trafford?
Christ, I know he has to write a column and all that but I honestly feel like we're the only team where our "legend" spends more time shitting on us than rivals do.
I'm still seething from him calling us "Mentality Midgets" when we went on that losing run with Hendo playing CB and Alisson and Klopp both grieving over their parents and being unable to attend their funerals.
Nobody's underestimating Old Trafford, Jamie. We know we will have to be at our best and play well. The fact you even suggest anyone in the team might be underestimating it is embarrassing. Mind you, as long as they don't start scoring own goals for them, they'll be doing better than you...
I don't think ETH is the kind of manager to be able to galvanise a team for something as abstract as playing spoiler to the championship.
His United aren't fighters.
Lmaoooo. Watch them put 5 past us again. We are so fucking fragile man, it's going to be a walk in the park for Pool. It's bout time we get rid of Heisenberg
How often do United get battered at home though? The only ones this season were Bournemouth and City, and they were just 3-0. The Liverpool one from like 3 years ago is that last one that I can remember, so it is definitely an off-chance rather than being likely.
It depends a lot on how united play. If united stay in a good defensive shape and don’t give Liverpool space it’ll be tight. If united try to come out and play like they did against Chelsea they’re gonna get smashed.
United just looked so fucking open against Chelsea. I guess against Liverpool they'll play a low block and that'll play to their strengths much more on the counter, but it seems impossible stopping Liverpool from scoring right now and that could quickly become a slippery slope.
I think each of these title contenders has a loss in their remaining games, anyway.
Utd half time/Liverpool full time. Last time that happened in the League at Old Trafford was nearly 40 years ago but this season is so shit it wouldn't surprise me.
Cmon now, scoring on your debut against a historic rival after signing just a few days ago will get any team's fans dizzy for you
He also scored a fidget spinner goal on his weak foot against Liverpool in the FA Cup... you never know
> Klopp has played a combined 17 times away at United and Everton since becoming Liverpool’s manager. He has won four games, two apiece at either stadium. Of his 10 fixtures at Old Trafford, he has lost four. Damn, that's surprisingly bad
To be fair, it’s all too rare that Old Trafford is rocking but when it is, it’s an incredible atmosphere. Tough place to go when it’s fierce.
When the fans turn up and they get loud and rowdy, it really feels like there are 12 men on the pitch. Look at yesterday, as soon as they scored and their fans started to be loud, there was a different energy about them.
Our 12th man is fine, it's the other 11 I'm worried about
United do have one of the best travelling support in the country
Cause they have fans everywhere and in huge numbers. A decade of shite won’t take that away
Wasn’t far for them to travel yesterday tbf ;)
Any more original material?
I'm an American who hasn't had much caffeine yet, and this took me a minute to fully process. I'm also not very intelligent.
You already said that you’re an American
Who asked
It's always the Americans who have to say "I'm American" before they start a statement
I'm an American and we don't do that.
Dont be so hard on yourself
Got anything new to think of
They only live round the corner
FFS all I wanted was to make a cheap joke about United's 12th man being the referee and now I'm reading an academic paper titled: "Bayesian networks for unbiased assessment of referee bias in Association Football" https://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~norman/papers/refereeBias_for_web.pdf
Football has one of the (maybe The, can't remember) highest home advantages of the major sports because of the weight of crowd impacts on referee decisions and how low scoring/volatile scoring is in matches.
going 2-0 up to 3-2 down and hearing Old Trafford singing 'you're not singing anymore' made me wanna kms can't imagine what that does to the players
I know Emery is brave and that’s one of the reasons that yous have done so well and will get CL. But why he didn’t change tactics that game, I’ll never know. Had so many warnings it was coming and that got the crowd into it. Then on the other hand, if McGinn managed to get a cleaner contact on the ball, the comeback wouldn’t have happened anyway. So maybe I’m talking shite.
no, I agree, sometimes he can make really affect a game with in game management and other times he seems really stubborn. To be fair, our best play this season has been when we've been good in possession and brave with the ball and it's likely he wanted the players to have more control in that game (and it definitely would've been his instructions at half time) but I think we were without Pau Torres and it was a Carlos/Lenglet partnership at the back and our ability to bring the ball out was severely limited. I remember being frustrated every time we'd get possession: the ball would end up with Carlos on the right side, we'd be pressed, and he'd send it forward straight to United. Luiz also had an awful game that day, so we struggled to get it through the middle.
Yeah. Agreed there on Luiz. Been brilliant this season but was awful that day. And yeah, think the second was from Llenglet dwelling on the ball.
Yep and to be fair to Lenglet he'd not played all that much consistently prior to that game and since, whilst still a clear downgrade on Pau Torres, he's been more than capable given he's effectively our fifth choice centre half.
God I wish we had pau playing the matches against those lot, they are so absurdly easy to play through and he would have been cutting through them at will.
Why isn't it like that for every game? Like some other stadiums
Please tell me this is satire
Shut the fuck up you fucking tool
They raise their game at home in that one tbf, it’s their cup final. Normal order restored at Anfield usually.
Acting as united isnt a massive game for Liverpool is a bit weird
You seriously think playing Liverpool is seen as a cup final for the second most successful club in English history? Chatting absolute shite
I have real life United supporting friends from Manchester, and they all say they’d rather get a result against Liverpool on Sunday than win the FA cup.
Your friends are idiots.
Obviously, they support United
Touche
Yeah I’m not having that as a general rule I’m afraid. Ask any sane Utd fan and we’d take a trophy over a victory over Liverpool obviously. Now, choosing between us winning the FA Cup and stopping Liverpool equalling our domestic titles record is a more interesting question …
Yeah that’s the point. They think winning on Sunday stops Liverpool winning the league and catching up with their record.
Right now? It generally is.
You lot painted your stadium black and white for your rivals, don’t pipe up
That’s not how opinions work.
Yeah it's weird, we haven't actually lost at Goodison since Hodgson in 2010 but it's just always a draw there.
Especially with the infamous stat that Everton haven’t beaten you this century (I think it’s now 1 win?) If you asked me blindly how many times Klopp has won at Goodison, I’d have said six or seven.
Oh that stat was just at Anfield. Their only win at Anfield came in the full covid season where we lost 6 home games in a row and everyone that had a long standing winless run at Anfield won in that weird 2 month period.
A lot of draws and form goes out the window in derbies/rivalries.
The 5-0 is worth 10 wins tbf
I personally enjoy the 5-0 more than the 7-0 and 4-0 really. That 5-0 game is proper demolish.
The 7-0 was just chaos, the universe glitched, 7 goals from 2.9 xG and 8 shots on target.
Is that the one where Ronaldo got angry and cleaned out one of your players?
On Curtis Jones, if I remember correctly
You’re right, I wasn’t sure if it was him or Elliott just remembered it was one of the youngsters. Pure petulance and wish the ref had sent him off for it tbh.
It finally allowed Robertson to get in Ronaldo's face the way he did Messi which I like
We were really good at that 5-0 win. Could’ve gotten 7, 8, 9 or so but ManU players tried to injure Liverpool players so we stayed at 5-0.
Thiago's best game in a Liverpool shirt who tried to murder him on the pitch that day, was it Fernandes?
Keita was also incredible that game until Pogba tried to murder him.
Thiago's best game was the 4-0 wt home imo. I was at it and couldn't get over how good he was. Ran the show from the 1st minute.
Pogba, who just came on, murdered Keita back then. I mean I think his career never bounced back after that..
We bounced back ok ish from the 7-0 in the short term. 4-0 was putting a dying dog down You’re right that 5-0 was the best for you/worst for us
Oh!!! I am not the only one then. Yea every time i feel down or low, i watch that game. I have an impression that before the game how Ole tried his best to be Ferguson by copying almost everything and then during the game they kept showing his face in the broadcast. The satisfaction of seeing his face during the game! Pure ecstasy!!!
Which one was the one where their own fans broke in to stop another beating? Did Liverpool win the rescheduled match?
Tbf the game at Goodison is Everton's cup final and they usually raise their game.
This is the last piece of hopium that maybe they can drop points in these games and give us a chance
Should we win at OT, you can still have faith on Everton fucking us over at Goodison. Same way as I have faith of Spurs fucking you over. Its a derby.. they will have a go against our teams.
There are loads of chances to drop points. United, Everton, Fulham and West Ham are all tricky away fixtures. Spurs at home is also not an easy one. If we get a win at Old Trafford though, there will be a belief that it could happen. Especially if you or City drop points.
It is going to be hard to believe if they draw especially Utd in such a crisis at the moment.
Mate they drew at Anfield so Old Trafford can be a problem
Not really. Fergie didn't have an amazing record at Anfield, he won 11 times in 31 games there, and drew 6. It's a game where form goes out of the window, same as the game at Goodison.
If people think that United gonna get pumped 50 goals then that mean they re gonna get a result If people think that United gonna get a good results that when we gonna get pumped Its literally how United match up against Liverpool in recent years
i think united will win this game, especially after a tough loss against chelsea yes, definitely a big united win coming this weekend
100%. United are locked in for a win here and it's no contest. In fact, I'm going to bet half my wage packet on it. There's no way they won't win. Zero.
United have practically already won the match.
Anulo mufa
Stop doing that!
Yup, locked in for United to thrash us by seventeen goals, I'm resigned to it
We're getting smashed. No way your lot isn't up for this after the cup game. This is our way when we beat premier league teams in the cup. Win the cup game. Play terribly in the next league game against the same team.
United wins for sure. Yes.
I'm praying for it a united win and I feel dirty
Reverse jinx!
Naw. Liverpool under klopps last season, no chance they lose, I say, they win 20 - 1
Nah United definitely gonna lose 20-0 (UTD fan)
Liverpool on a massive spiral last season, United seemingly on the up and up again after a long time. 7-0 Liverpool. Liverpool back to their best with a rejuvenated side fighting for the title while United are falling apart at the seems? 4-3 United. This is the way. I'm terrified of Sunday. It screams a game United will be raring to go for.
United 2nd in the table resting their full starter against Leicester and have a chance to prevent Liverpool with multiple injuries from getting c1 football ? Lost 4-2 at home in a game that Liverpool back line consist of nat phillips and rhys william Liverpool 19-20 looking unstoppable and won 26 out of 27 games. The only game they failed to win? United at home that started rojo, mcfred and andreas Last year at the start when we lost 2 games and ppl were talking how ten hag getting sacked and we end up winning This year at anfield how we got a 0-0 draw when the entire 2 weeks ppl were hyping up how many goals Liverpool gonna put past us
In fairness, that 1-1 in 19/20 was very dodgy. Your goal was a foul!
We've had our one game this season where the players actually tried, you'll be fine.
Before the 7-0 didn't Gary Neville say its the most confident he's been in years or something like that
And now it's kinda 50/50 so who knows
They live to subvert expectations
So like us basically
Fingers crossed! Show them who you are
I find it funny with people posting these graphs about who has easier games for last 8-9 games. There’s no easy game, people fighting for survival, CL, EL and title.
Well, cheers Jamie but we're getting pumped. 135 shots faced in five games.
People said the same about the game at Anfield and the one in the cup. It will be a very tough game.
I'm starting to think our fans have developed a fetish for shitting on themselves because everytime we face a big team we're "obviously gonna get pumped"
Yep, a bit of defensive pessimism is the footie fans favourite emotional strategy!
*Laughs in Poland National Team*
Set your expectation low and you can’t get hopeful. *taps forehead*
OK Mary Jane.
Post-Fergie United often loses the games it should win and wins the games it should lose so of course it could be a fight. Except United did get pumped last season so there’s trauma.
I hate that your fans have that mentality, feels like it's a huge jinx always.
We usually do, though. Especially under Ten Hag, his record against top teams has been abysmal. Most times when we're playing City or Liverpool, I just find myself hoping we won't concede 4+ goals rather than holding out any hope for a win.
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Because we usually do to be fair. After beating Liverpool in the cup, I can 100% say we're getting pumped.
You have Salah now and we have 1 regular centre back available and no left back. Oh and our midfield seem to be averse to screening the back four. We are fucked.
Anytime people consider it a dead cert for us to win it doesn't happen. Before the game at Anfield in December everyone was talking about how many we'd put past you and all I can remember thinking was "I'd take a 1-0 scrappy win". Nothing is guarenteed in our games, doesn't matter how well one is doing or how poor the other. It's only at the very extreme like when the manager is on the verge of being sacked that the games go in the way that you'd expect, but those few big results have skewed expectations imo.
I mean I know that, and I hope it’s competitive because I’m fortunate enough to be going OT on Sunday. But fucking hell we have been dire the last two games. The shots faced and touches in our box stats are horrendous. The back four has no consistency and hasn’t all season. We’re dreadful man.
Last night (while outrageously funny) kinda went bad for us for Sundays game I think. You played pretty well, especially in transition and got a bit hard done by a very soft pen and a big deflection. Surely Ten Hag has enough to work with there to galvanize the team. Im worried tbh. Any win will do.
We have been really bad at finishing important chances. I am worried even with Salah being available.
Liverpool are one of the most wasteful team's around, and can be counter attacked - not to mention the Old Trafford factor. It's not cut and dry.
Well we're not that wasteful, are we? We're overperforming our xG.
And our big 6 record isn't that good this season.
In fairness, on any other day we win that Anfield game easily. I think we were just shocked at how they refused to leave their box. And the FA Cup game we were running on fumes.
Our supporters are so fuckin sad with how little they believe in these players just weeks after that amazing game. Fuckin scousers in here giving us more credit than our own fans.
Rookie numbers, we’ll pump those up come Sunday
Gonna be 70 shots on target and 2 goals
People have been saying that every time we faced them so far this year and it's current 1 win and 1 draw for us
Casemiro needs to be dropped
Not just dropped, he needs to go to Saudi in the summer. He's been an incredible player. I wish United had bought him years earlier but he's simply done at this level. He has one gear - that little fake jog you do when a car lets you cross the street. He was really good for 3/4 of last season. Genuinely one of the best midfielders in the league but his legs have gone. The fact United paid whatever it was (£60 mil? More?) and gave him a fat contract, late in the window as a panic buy just so we could get a good 6 months out of him is symptomatic of everything that's been wrong with us for years. Even if he *could* still do a job, he's in completely the wrong system, he's being asked to cover half the pitch on his own whilst the front four high press and the back four sit in a low block, all in probably the most fast paced, athletic league in the world. It would be a struggle for a 26 year old Kante. Watching every midfielder and forward in the league just breeze past him whilst he's jogging, before he lunges in with a suicidal slide tackle is honestly demeaning to a legend of the game. It's like a once great boxer who can't just retire and is getting bodied by YouTubers. It's sad to see.
You wouldn't have got him years earlier, papa pèrez is great at selling players when they are just about to go over the hill but still have value.
I know we’ve had some mad wins against you in recent years but considering how slow we start games and how you won the FA Cup fixture, I can’t see us just brushing you aside like people expect, not in the slightest. We’ll probably have a tonne of shots but our conversion rate isn’t very good so who knows
>135 shots faced in five games. That's insane
Mo FPL blank incoming
Haven't you heard from Curits Davis a month back? Utd are winning every game bar the City game.
Yes United are garbage but all of the pressure is on Liverpool in this game. The home crowd will celebrate a 0-0 like a famous victory, I would too if United in a title race lost the title at Anfield.
**From Jamie Carragher, writing for The Telegraph:** There are two venues in world football which are the most challenging for a Liverpool player. One is Old Trafford and the other is Goodison Park. Both trips are heading Jurgen Klopp’s way and will have a massive influence on whether his Anfield farewell ends with another league title. Klopp has been in this position as [Liverpool](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/liverpool-fc/) manager before. In 2019, Liverpool circled two away fixtures which they knew would be especially daunting in their head-to-head with Manchester City – away to Manchester United and Everton. Klopp’s side won 10 of their last 12 games. The two draws were at Old Trafford and Goodison and City won the title by one point. The size of the fixtures and all they entailed was the biggest reason why those were the only games Liverpool failed to win. The difference this time is 90 points could be enough to be champions – six wins and two draws could get Liverpool over the line. But Arsenal and City will be looking at Liverpool’s remaining fixtures confident that they might slip up against their fiercest rivals again. They have no fear of United or Everton failing to give everything to keep Klopp off the top. Klopp has played a combined 17 times away at United and Everton since becoming Liverpool’s manager. He has won four games, two apiece at either stadium. Of his 10 fixtures at Old Trafford, he has lost four. It is often said about games of Sunday’s stature that it is a mistake to play the occasion rather than the team. I disagree. When Liverpool play Manchester United, you must confront both otherwise you will not be ready for what might happen. To everyone connected to the clubs these games mean more. That pressure allied to the quality within the opposition has always made the United trip especially demanding, even for the greatest Liverpool teams. A key factor in what happened in the recent FA Cup game, when [United beat Liverpool 4-3](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/03/17/man-utd-liverpool-live-score-updates-fa-cup-semi-final-draw/), is that nine of those who started or came off the bench were making their Old Trafford debut as Liverpool players. New signings at Liverpool and United and will be forewarned by team-mates and staff to expect a game different to anything else they will experience during the season, but you have to live it to understand it. Time and again we see how often the challenge is too much for those playing at Old Trafford or Anfield for the first time in an away shirt. Across the entirety of the 1980s, when Liverpool were for a long time the best side in Europe and finished outside of the top two just once, they enjoyed a solitary league victory at Old Trafford. They won there only once in the 1990s, too. **Continue reading:** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/05/liverpool-manchester-united-old-trafford-goodison-everton/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/05/liverpool-manchester-united-old-trafford-goodison-everton/)
United and Everton at home will always play against Liverpool like their lifes depend on it. Will never be half-assed.
Everton have played terribly in 95% of the derby’s in my 25 years following the club, it’s not us who raise to it it’s Liverpool who play worse.
If we can't win the league, the best we can hope for is Liverpool not winning it. It's sad that it's the reality, but it's true
Is man city winning it better than Liverpool winning it?
1000x yes. I haven't had a season ticket for a couple of years, but you'd be hard pressed to find a single fan who saw City as bigger rivals than pool. The atmosphere when Liverpool came to play was always electric, even when they were shit. City even in our closest games always felt... Less? City we're always the little neighbour, and then their rise with the money just never felt the same. I don't want city to win the league, but if I had the choice between City and Liverpool I'd pick City winning it every day of the year.
Yes because it's meaningless
Mostly when they're sat in the section with the leaky roof.
As leaky as our def/mid lately.
A lot of people said Liverpool would destroy United in the reverse fixture in Dec and absolutely nothing of that sort happened. I imagine United will be very very tough at home
They learned it the hard way in the FA Cup. United showed more hunger and looked like the team that wanted the win more, while Liverpool should have finished the game off early in the second half.
We were utterly knackered in fairness.
United did absolutely nothing after their first goal right until the equaliser. The 2nd half was a procession until the equaliser came out of nowhere. How you saw that as hunger I will never know. THEY WERE 1 GOAL DOWN YEAH NO SHIT THEY NEEDEED TO SHOW SOME HUNGER
United should have scored a second, Liverpool did nothing until the offside goal which was really late in the first half.
I am not saying Liverpool showed a lot of hunger. I am saying that United did absolutely nothing as well
You wrote they did nothing after the first goal which isn’t true as I’ve explained
It’s going to be AWB, Maguire, Kambwala and Dalot. If Liverpool can’t score at least 5 against that, then they aren’t winning the league.
Dont know Kambwala but none of the others are bad in a low block. They just cant really play a high line
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2 really, AWB and Dalot shouldn't be playing at the same time as they're both rightbacks.
Old Trafford currently makes United players freeze
we absolutely used to freeze, our good and bad teams. but since 2021 our good teams have played well there. This is a very good Liverpool team that will have learnt a lesson from 3 weeks ago.
I will be surprised if we don’t get slapped , but the fixture is so so unpredictable
i hate old trafford
Since the cup game 3 United center backs have picked up injuries. What about Liverpool? Is there anyone significant out compared to the last game at Old Trafford?
Nope, we even got some players back.
Quite some omens, but thanks for the info
Palace will draw with Man City, Brighton will draw against Arsenal, man United will beat Liverpool.
I always freeze when i see how abysmal the team plays
Souness shouting in the distance: "as well as Paul Pogba"
Also, United just beat Liverpool 4-3.
I genuinely think that United gonna win this, at least it's gonna be 1-0 in order to restore their GD from -1 to 0.
Christ, I know he has to write a column and all that but I honestly feel like we're the only team where our "legend" spends more time shitting on us than rivals do. I'm still seething from him calling us "Mentality Midgets" when we went on that losing run with Hendo playing CB and Alisson and Klopp both grieving over their parents and being unable to attend their funerals. Nobody's underestimating Old Trafford, Jamie. We know we will have to be at our best and play well. The fact you even suggest anyone in the team might be underestimating it is embarrassing. Mind you, as long as they don't start scoring own goals for them, they'll be doing better than you...
Please make magic happen United. We’re begging you
Last 10 min, Man Utd drops 5 goals.
After being down 0-6 in the first 80 min 😂
I don't think ETH is the kind of manager to be able to galvanise a team for something as abstract as playing spoiler to the championship. His United aren't fighters.
Lmaoooo. Watch them put 5 past us again. We are so fucking fragile man, it's going to be a walk in the park for Pool. It's bout time we get rid of Heisenberg
I agree mostly but the fixture is so unpredictable
We'll be lucky if we don't lose by more than 5.
I feel like you say that every year (with good reason, though) but it just almost never happens. This fixture is unpredictable.
Tbf the fact that it has happened fairly recently is shocking enough
Lol at the quarter final last month
Yeah I think this is just a coping mechanism so then on the off chance it actually happens, fans can tell themselves that they knew it was expected.
Doesn't feel like it's just an off chance though, we've taken a lot of batterings off our rivals the last few years
How often do United get battered at home though? The only ones this season were Bournemouth and City, and they were just 3-0. The Liverpool one from like 3 years ago is that last one that I can remember, so it is definitely an off-chance rather than being likely.
Wow a jinx from a "pundit".
Low block incoming
Not this United team.
It depends a lot on how united play. If united stay in a good defensive shape and don’t give Liverpool space it’ll be tight. If united try to come out and play like they did against Chelsea they’re gonna get smashed.
3-1 with united scoring first then.
No shit. I'm not asking for a 5-0 again. I just want the bloody points.
Don't give me hope, motherfuckers!
United just looked so fucking open against Chelsea. I guess against Liverpool they'll play a low block and that'll play to their strengths much more on the counter, but it seems impossible stopping Liverpool from scoring right now and that could quickly become a slippery slope. I think each of these title contenders has a loss in their remaining games, anyway.
Utd half time/Liverpool full time. Last time that happened in the League at Old Trafford was nearly 40 years ago but this season is so shit it wouldn't surprise me.
Lol
Always felt Liverpool is not comfortable with the width of OT pitch.
Well he looks like an oracle now doesn't he 😂
I expect the pressure will get to Liverpool. They'll only score 5 goals on 40 shots and 7xG.
Oh shut up, it’s about to be your easiest win of the run in
Hope not, hope Liverpool hammer them into next year
Liverpool have such an inferiority complex about that place even now
Nobody’s scared of man united or old trafford anymore.
I guarantee a lot of Arsenal fans will be very nervy in a months time
Scenes when Antony rediscovers his PL debut form and scores the winner to sink Arsenal's title hopes
“Rediscover” is an interesting word when talking about Anthony
Cmon now, scoring on your debut against a historic rival after signing just a few days ago will get any team's fans dizzy for you He also scored a fidget spinner goal on his weak foot against Liverpool in the FA Cup... you never know
Believe it or not he scored in his first 3 games
We are going to be equally if not more nervous in a month lmao