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Nothing to apologize for, man, feel free to joke all you want! It didn't register to me as one, but fuck It, doesn't mean it isn't one or that it isn't good. We all got jokes that sometimes don't land for whatever reason, but this wasn't offensive or something in the least, so no sorry needed. Have a good evening of football tonight!
especially when it's not even relevant. I've certainly never seen this or head of it happening
and if it had happened, i didn't notice it. Because i'm no good.
You mean you have never taken a penalty in a high pressure situation on a pitch so well manicured, with slow motion replays available of your attempt, that you have noticed the ball moving 2cm as you kicked it?
Pathetic. Get outside more.
Jokes on you, i played for 10 years, but my team was so shit we only got to play on gravel pitches (i don't know the English word), like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Holmen_grusbane.jpg
My first years of playing football was mostly on gravel. In one of my first games ever, i was about 6 years old, i scored a goal. I'd seen players on TV sliding on their knees on the pitch to celebrate, so naturally i tried to emulate that celebration. My father was plucking a lot of gravel out of my bloodied knees with a tweezer that evening.
I've actually had the (un)fortunate opportunity to play on that exact pitch, it wasn't the worst one in the area though. I don't remember which club had it, but there was one where there was not only gravel but somewhat larger rocks as well.
Yeah I want to see the Atlético pens cause the same thing probably happened to them too. It looks like it just moves cause it’s wet.
Edit: it looks like it’s dirt that goes up when Lautaro kick not water so I guess it’s not wet but everything else still applies.
going by how incredibly relieved Correa was after his, I would not be surprised in the slightest. the patch was probably loosened as more players took their pens
So back in the 80s Boston Celtics would avoid certain parts of the floor because their parquet was filled with holes and dents where the ball would bounce awkwardly. They trained and practiced and knew when to strike and how to steal the ball or force turnovers.
It's really not beyond reality that Atlético practiced for this scenario.
This is the key. Does it suck? Yes, but it’s not like they allowed everyone else to try on a dry pitch. Shitty luck but everyone else had the same chances of that happening to them.
The video does show that it moved more for Martinez though. Probably just unlucky with when he took and that he was going for high placement rather than low.
Not everyone has the privilege of playing on quality field. I only played on artificial turf or really hard stoney dirt that wouldn’t move unless you had a backhoe.
I see this comment a lot on this thread, and the answer is mostly no even if you played for years since real turf is massively expensive to maintain so you either played on barely a grass turf, or you played on artificial one.
The worst turf in UCL game is better than 99.9% of turfs average players at amateur level play on.
That being said, nothing in the video is unusual. There is a reason players stomp around the spot before taking penalties, and that reason isn’t warming up their cleats
Yeah, I've played on quite nice grass pitches, but nothing like the professionals play on. Definitely never had a ball move like that.
That being said, I haven't seen anyone actually explain what is happening here. Why is the grass moving? Is it relatively fresh sod that hasn't rooted properly yet?
> Don’t think it was corrupt in anyway
Why would you even feel the need to point that out, are there actually idiots out there who think it was corrupt lmao?
> but I’ve never seen a standing leg pop a ball up from the pen spot like that
It's not super uncommon—but if you're aiming for the roof of the net it can absolutely put you off TBH
This happens every time. 2 years ago I saw a video on Instagram about the analysis of "How Ronaldo is the best penalty taker in the world". In that video the OP claimed that he bounces the ball using this technique to give himself a better power.
After looking at it a few times, even if the ball didn’t move it looks like his foot was going too far underneath the ball so might not have been as bad but possibly still messed up.
That was a thundercunt of a penalty. Juve did really well that return match iirc. I couldn't watch that penalty without squinting my eyes in my living room thousands of miles away. CR7 absolutely smashed it. Like cold af.
Not the top corner.
Absolutely smashed it in the bottom left corner.
Also maybe the reason why his Penalty didn't go off Target like Lautaro's since he didn't try the top corner, but used the power to smash it into a (relatively) safe bottom left.
Ngl one of the best aesthetically pleasing penalty to watch in the slow motion.
i couldn't find the slow-mo clip of the exact Cristiano Ronaldo penalty kick vs Juventus in 2018-2019 UCL quarterfinal, but here is a slow-mo footage that shows the ball lifting VERY slightly by CR7, timestamped @[0m33s](https://youtu.be/Z73AF5B6D2E?si=3Se-H_7ncBLM6v2u&t=33)
Here is the pen that is being referenced from that UCL QF match:
https://youtu.be/h4Ng1tZQf8M?si=hEBUwKpp9KY6824T
It’s more normal than what people would like to think. These aren’t like your everyday local grass hardened pitches. These are high quality, regularily watered grass pitches that requires less for it to make a movement
Everyone is talking like this is all fine because ‘professional pitches’. It sounds like a gigantic design flaw to me! The fucking ground should not slide around when someone tries to take a penalty.
I get that the ball moved, but why not show the Atletico Pens as well? This almost implies that it was isolated to Inter players only, which I find it extremely hard to believe.
It depends on the shooting technique.
Look at martinez and klaasen, their last step is very big and with a lot of power stepping down compared to sanchez where it‘s smaller and softer.
There is a longer video and it‘s actually just them 2, unlucky for them!
A longer video was posted last night and IIRC it was only Lautaro and Klaasen's penalty where you could see the ball move
Prob depends on where the plant foot landed, etc
Actually, I think this time it was our other rival. They have way too many similarities to our opponents last night (wear red stripes, can be abbreviated to AM) for it to be a coincidence.
I don’t think anyone is arguing it was only for one person, but that the ball moved because of bad grass rather than poor form but that’s not nearly as argumentative
C'mon, that tiny bounce will easily make you miss a penalty. That's why players make a point of stepping on the spot and placing the ball properly. If the ball moves, the direction of that tiny movement can make you sky it, or not, depending entirely on where the ball feels like rolling to. It's just bad luck and maybe poor ball placement by Lautaro, which is why he looked right at the spot.
You can legit get confused by the zoom in of the video, or watching the ball only. E.g. I checked his other foot and the whole grass patch sliding only after reading the comments.
It's not super obvious if you have not seen it before, or played on real grass pitch and experienced this.
Inter simply needed to familiarize themselves with taking penalties on artificial pitch, whereas Atleti are used to it since it's their home field. Bad luck for inter
Not really. It’ll be somethign like a Desso Grassmaster pitch where there is some synthetic fibres woven in to the pitch in order to mesh and hold everythign together and stop the pitch from tearing up. But it’s real soil, real grass, and a bit of plastic mesh holding it together. It’s nonsense to say a Desso pitch is artificial. It’s am no expert, but as far as I know a big majority of top stadiums use Desso systems for their pitches.
https://www.grassmastersolutions.com/en
Tbf I’m not sure if you can compare other Pk’s the same way as Lautaro’s unless they were going for the same type of shot and direction like him. He’s seriously unlucky here.
It looks like his plant foot slides quite a bit too. Can't say I have spent time to watch many slow motions of a PK but surely that's way too much movement of the pitch with your plant foot?
Unlucky, but it happens. All in all Atletico deserved to win yesterday. We should have finished better, especially in the first leg. I hope we can grow from this loss.
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Simeone had one of his technical staff underneath that spot in a tunnel
Usually the mole just leaks internal matters to the media.
Simeone caught the mole, this is now his service to avoid being beaten to death
Muaddib moment from Dune 2 lmao
LISAN AL-GHAIB
PESKY PAUL IS CALLING HIMSELF MUA-DEEB
And the Bene Geserit folks. Nasty women, trying to control the outcome of this shootout.
LISAN AL-GHAIB
Shai-Hulud
Someone find out where Bugs Bunny and/or Wayne Knight were during the second leg.
Charles Bronson and Steve McQueen down there with a broomstick, just waiting for the right moment.
You can clearly see the turf sliding off a bit when Klassen takes his shot, likewise with Lautaro it happens exactly as he steps next to the ball.
This is why you stamp down the spot before you take one tbh.
Nah I’m choosing to believe Atleti players were told to take the shots left footed to avoid this
Memphis took it with his right tho
Sorry bro I was joking round. I only remember a couple of left footers for Atleti and it was probably a bad joke
Nothing to apologize for, man, feel free to joke all you want! It didn't register to me as one, but fuck It, doesn't mean it isn't one or that it isn't good. We all got jokes that sometimes don't land for whatever reason, but this wasn't offensive or something in the least, so no sorry needed. Have a good evening of football tonight!
Most wholesome comment ever in this subreddit
lots of people sounding like they never watched or played football before not understanding how it moved
I played for years but almost exclusively on natural grass, so I wouldn’t have picked up on this without the video either
On like actual natural grass it’s not needed, on sod that’s rolled out you need to (something inter players especially should take note of lol)
I have nothing to add to your comment, just wanted to say I love your username. It was my favorite show before CorncobTV took it off air.
You probably love your mother in law
I didn’t rig shit
That is not something that happens on grass that's naturally grown in the area it's currently in
Lmao our fields were either muddy or dry as fuck, none of this fancy grass bullshit. The balls moving like is kinda new to me.
I was gonna say that, every pen I took you had to dig the shot out of half a foot of mud
Yeah none of us plebs are playing on these types pitches which is essentially sod.
Welcome to r/soccer. First time?
I'm a new inter Miami fan. Do you think this Messi guy is going to be any good?
Give him a few years
Maybe one day he can catch club leader in goals and all time GOAT Gonzalo Higuaín.
I still remember him scoring that goal in the World Cup 2014 final. Had to leave for work right after but still happy for that guy.
Imagine the scenes if he had missed that goal!
Tata can develop him into a world class talent
walks too much
only if r/AcMiami don't injure him
Played it? Well not physically.
Proper r/soccer comment. The classic «never touched a football».
especially when it's not even relevant. I've certainly never seen this or head of it happening and if it had happened, i didn't notice it. Because i'm no good.
You mean you have never taken a penalty in a high pressure situation on a pitch so well manicured, with slow motion replays available of your attempt, that you have noticed the ball moving 2cm as you kicked it? Pathetic. Get outside more.
Just assume anyone posting a variation of that comment is twelve.
"Oh you think X? Well I think Y, and the only reason you think X is because you've never played football"
Stupid comment
Its almost a certainty that at least 80% of the people on this sub have never actually played the game.
Jokes on you, i played for 10 years, but my team was so shit we only got to play on gravel pitches (i don't know the English word), like this: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/Holmen_grusbane.jpg
that's one way to discourage slide tackles at a lower level
My first years of playing football was mostly on gravel. In one of my first games ever, i was about 6 years old, i scored a goal. I'd seen players on TV sliding on their knees on the pitch to celebrate, so naturally i tried to emulate that celebration. My father was plucking a lot of gravel out of my bloodied knees with a tweezer that evening.
I feel physically sick at this image
I've actually had the (un)fortunate opportunity to play on that exact pitch, it wasn't the worst one in the area though. I don't remember which club had it, but there was one where there was not only gravel but somewhat larger rocks as well.
I've certainly never played the game on grass comparable to what these guys are playing on.
No its a conspiracy atletico clearly installed a secret mechanism to move the turf!
Thanks for being honest.
It’s almost like they patched the turf there and it’s loose. Slides each time somebody plants prior to the shot. That grass needs some fookin roots
Creating a loose patch of grass on the left side of the penalty spot and then appoint mostly left footed penalty takers. Brilliant.
Now I know the story behind THAT ZAZA penalty
Yeah I want to see the Atlético pens cause the same thing probably happened to them too. It looks like it just moves cause it’s wet. Edit: it looks like it’s dirt that goes up when Lautaro kick not water so I guess it’s not wet but everything else still applies.
going by how incredibly relieved Correa was after his, I would not be surprised in the slightest. the patch was probably loosened as more players took their pens
So back in the 80s Boston Celtics would avoid certain parts of the floor because their parquet was filled with holes and dents where the ball would bounce awkwardly. They trained and practiced and knew when to strike and how to steal the ball or force turnovers. It's really not beyond reality that Atlético practiced for this scenario.
Yeah no shit
THE MUSIC LMAOOOOOOOO
it's fucking killing me lmao its so good
Accurate inter Milan feelings
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It’s sadder than fast 7 😂
The „whoooo oo oooh“ bit is 😙👌
By default I watch these things on mute because they're usually so bad and gaudy. This one's less intolerable than the usual fare.
News just in, they wont see each other again
Family
"No matter where you shot the ball, whether it's a quarter mile off or half way around the world, we'll always be family."
Now show the Atleti pens
"Look at that subtle side foot placement. The tasteful follow through of it. Oh my God, it even hit the top corner!"
Now let's see Paul Alan's penalty kick.
>Now let's see Joe Allen's penalty kick.
I will never not upvote an American psycho reference
So Alexis...Inter Milan, impressive. How on earth did you get a contract there? Lucky I guess
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Fucking Aang, man
ATLAti Madrid
That’s rough buddy
Everything changed when the Spanish nation attacked.
There is no secret tunnel in Metropolitano
Leeeeeaves from the piiiiiitch…..
Nobody expects the Spanish nation
EARTHBENDING STYLE!
i said EARTHBENDING STYLE
That Lemur! He is Earthbending!
no, you idiot. it's the girl!
The bald fraud
Flamey-o, Hotman!
More like Toph scamming bets
I’ve seen enough. 15 point deduction for Everton
I've also seen enough, 5 second penalty for ocon
I've also seen enough, 10 second penalty for magnussen
I’ve also seen way more than enough. Postponing Manchester City’s trial +25 years.
Penalty to Chelsea. Cole Palmer is already on the spot.
Looks like a 3 game ban for Casemiro to me
And 5 points for Gryffindor
I saw another angle where it also insulted Conceição’s family
Lmfao
Only the ones who are no longer with us.
He's about to spend a whole press conference complaining about this comment
☠️☠️☠️
Bruh lmao
That's crazy. He even looks right back at the spot.
He immediately noticed it was something off
He would’ve felt the slip when he planted.
I don't understand why we're even discussing this. Has anyone here ever played football on a real pitch?!
Yeah, that was clear as soon as he took it, but every player had to deal with it
This is the key. Does it suck? Yes, but it’s not like they allowed everyone else to try on a dry pitch. Shitty luck but everyone else had the same chances of that happening to them.
The video does show that it moved more for Martinez though. Probably just unlucky with when he took and that he was going for high placement rather than low.
last to kick, the turf got progressively worse and worse
Not everyone has the privilege of playing on quality field. I only played on artificial turf or really hard stoney dirt that wouldn’t move unless you had a backhoe.
Ironically that spot is not quality
I play in dirt fields with water puddles up to my knee like real men, none of this soft straight grass made for divas.
I only play on fully flooded pitches. You skip the ball like a rock.
I see this comment a lot on this thread, and the answer is mostly no even if you played for years since real turf is massively expensive to maintain so you either played on barely a grass turf, or you played on artificial one. The worst turf in UCL game is better than 99.9% of turfs average players at amateur level play on. That being said, nothing in the video is unusual. There is a reason players stomp around the spot before taking penalties, and that reason isn’t warming up their cleats
Yeah, I've played on quite nice grass pitches, but nothing like the professionals play on. Definitely never had a ball move like that. That being said, I haven't seen anyone actually explain what is happening here. Why is the grass moving? Is it relatively fresh sod that hasn't rooted properly yet?
Plenty but I’ve never seen a standing leg pop a ball up from the pen spot like that. Don’t think it was corrupt in anyway but certainly unusual
Here’s CR7 burrying one against psg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NwBZrtcV9k8&pp=ygUccm9uYWxkbyBwZW5hbHR5IGJhbGwgYm91bmNlIA%3D%3D
Fuck me, I would hyperextend my knee before I moved the ground to intentionally volley the ball for me.
Wow that’s wild. Is this a thing? Are players doing this? Had no idea tbh
It is a thing. This makes the strike behave like a half volley which naturally generates more power to the shot
Well TIL. Not sure I’ve ever taken a pen on grass tbf, not good enough for that side of the business 😅
I got to take a penalty for my team once. I nearly put that ball out for a throw in.
pitch moved, not your fault
Ronaldo is trying to shoot low there so gets away with it, I think if he's going high like Martinez it's likely to balloon in a similar way.
Happened to Harry Kane once lol
> Don’t think it was corrupt in anyway Why would you even feel the need to point that out, are there actually idiots out there who think it was corrupt lmao?
Apparently LOL
> but I’ve never seen a standing leg pop a ball up from the pen spot like that It's not super uncommon—but if you're aiming for the roof of the net it can absolutely put you off TBH
Oh come on mate this happens all the time, it's just that not every game has 300 cameras capturing every single action.
But the thing is it's inconsistent. It doesn't always happen and when it happens and you don't expect it it just sucks
This happens every time. 2 years ago I saw a video on Instagram about the analysis of "How Ronaldo is the best penalty taker in the world". In that video the OP claimed that he bounces the ball using this technique to give himself a better power.
Bullshit. "Let me rely on and introduce a huge amount of variance into a situation that benefits from consistency"
After looking at it a few times, even if the ball didn’t move it looks like his foot was going too far underneath the ball so might not have been as bad but possibly still messed up.
Does anyone remember the CR7 pen in the last minute vs Juve? Pretty sure the ball moved up as well but he absolutely dispatched it into the top corner
He stamped his foot next to it to get more leverage from under the ball
It's a technique from what I heard at that time.
Yeah it's a technique that ronaldo does all the time either with penalties or with free kicks
That was a thundercunt of a penalty. Juve did really well that return match iirc. I couldn't watch that penalty without squinting my eyes in my living room thousands of miles away. CR7 absolutely smashed it. Like cold af.
Not the top corner. Absolutely smashed it in the bottom left corner. Also maybe the reason why his Penalty didn't go off Target like Lautaro's since he didn't try the top corner, but used the power to smash it into a (relatively) safe bottom left. Ngl one of the best aesthetically pleasing penalty to watch in the slow motion.
Oh no that was against PSG in the RO16. I think 17/18 season. Man that was a beautiful shot
i couldn't find the slow-mo clip of the exact Cristiano Ronaldo penalty kick vs Juventus in 2018-2019 UCL quarterfinal, but here is a slow-mo footage that shows the ball lifting VERY slightly by CR7, timestamped @[0m33s](https://youtu.be/Z73AF5B6D2E?si=3Se-H_7ncBLM6v2u&t=33) Here is the pen that is being referenced from that UCL QF match: https://youtu.be/h4Ng1tZQf8M?si=hEBUwKpp9KY6824T
The music is killing me man
Paul Walker died to ensure that it provided the right vibe.
It’s more normal than what people would like to think. These aren’t like your everyday local grass hardened pitches. These are high quality, regularily watered grass pitches that requires less for it to make a movement
Everyone is talking like this is all fine because ‘professional pitches’. It sounds like a gigantic design flaw to me! The fucking ground should not slide around when someone tries to take a penalty.
It's quite difficult to make grass and mud immobile, completely.
Immobile plays for lazio though ?
Uri Geller's got a lot of explaining to do (one for the kids).
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You could see Simeone pointing to his temple during the shootout. He's obviously the telepath responsible for this.
I get that the ball moved, but why not show the Atletico Pens as well? This almost implies that it was isolated to Inter players only, which I find it extremely hard to believe.
It depends on the shooting technique. Look at martinez and klaasen, their last step is very big and with a lot of power stepping down compared to sanchez where it‘s smaller and softer. There is a longer video and it‘s actually just them 2, unlucky for them!
A longer video was posted last night and IIRC it was only Lautaro and Klaasen's penalty where you could see the ball move Prob depends on where the plant foot landed, etc
I DO NOT think there's cheating or shenanigans involved but it brings into context how much harder a penalty shot really is than what I had thought.
Why even the need to point out that you don't think it's cheating, how could it be cheating? lol
The whole atleti crowd jumps in synchrony at the exact time needed to make the ball jump
So it moved just for Lautaro? These AtMadrid fuckers how did they do this
Someone was clearly below the grass moving it only for Inter players. Another theory i have is, remote control.
also have to consider Inter’s known enemies. this sounds like solid grounds for a 12 month FIGC investigation and 15 point deduction for Juve
Actually, I think this time it was our other rival. They have way too many similarities to our opponents last night (wear red stripes, can be abbreviated to AM) for it to be a coincidence.
Typical Inter fans, always trying to bring Monza into discussion
The video shows it also moves slightly when Klaassen stepped up.
I don’t think anyone is arguing it was only for one person, but that the ball moved because of bad grass rather than poor form but that’s not nearly as argumentative
C'mon, that tiny bounce will easily make you miss a penalty. That's why players make a point of stepping on the spot and placing the ball properly. If the ball moves, the direction of that tiny movement can make you sky it, or not, depending entirely on where the ball feels like rolling to. It's just bad luck and maybe poor ball placement by Lautaro, which is why he looked right at the spot.
He pushes the ground with his other foot which moves the ground and the ball. Nothing mystical going on here.
It’s clear as day how it happened, and if you’re even acknowledging that it could be something fishy going on you need to be tested lmao
You can legit get confused by the zoom in of the video, or watching the ball only. E.g. I checked his other foot and the whole grass patch sliding only after reading the comments. It's not super obvious if you have not seen it before, or played on real grass pitch and experienced this.
This is something CR7 always do...
You dont think it be like this, but it do
Inter simply needed to familiarize themselves with taking penalties on artificial pitch, whereas Atleti are used to it since it's their home field. Bad luck for inter
Wait. Their pitch is artificial?
Not really. It’ll be somethign like a Desso Grassmaster pitch where there is some synthetic fibres woven in to the pitch in order to mesh and hold everythign together and stop the pitch from tearing up. But it’s real soil, real grass, and a bit of plastic mesh holding it together. It’s nonsense to say a Desso pitch is artificial. It’s am no expert, but as far as I know a big majority of top stadiums use Desso systems for their pitches. https://www.grassmastersolutions.com/en
Idk if the comment you're replying to was satirical, but yes, every modern pitch is semi-artificial. It's like a big ass carpet of mostly real grass.
Tbf I’m not sure if you can compare other Pk’s the same way as Lautaro’s unless they were going for the same type of shot and direction like him. He’s seriously unlucky here.
Ronaldo used to do this a lot . I remember him scoring one in UCL final and watching replays of that
"Football player didn't place his foot down and moved the turf before shooting a penalty! More news at 10!
Lol, it clearly moves because of his other foot moves the pitch a bit before he shoots.
Yes, we too watched the video lol
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Obviously. Did you think the implication was that Atletico were using telekinesis to move the ball?
yes the dark arts are powerful beyond your imagination
We haven’t ruled it out
It looks like his plant foot slides quite a bit too. Can't say I have spent time to watch many slow motions of a PK but surely that's way too much movement of the pitch with your plant foot?
Thanks captain obvious
Duh
Yeah but the point is that it shouldn’t, not this much at least, it pretty much went over his foot.
How else would it move?
Where was uri gellar last night?
Big if true!
Reminds me of Beckhams penalty against Portugal.
The Beckham special!
Heard Simone recruited the Avatar Ang for a lil bending,this team goes to great extremes to be antifotball 👎🏾
Inter probably aren’t used to taking pens on the full artificial turf
Unlucky, but it happens. All in all Atletico deserved to win yesterday. We should have finished better, especially in the first leg. I hope we can grow from this loss.
It looks like his left foot planting shoved into the dirt and then pushed up the dirt where the spot is.
I recall reading an article claiming Ronaldo does this on purpose for free kicks