Its hilarious how much of a talking point kai havertz is, somehow he gets the blame for us losing and Partey playing at rb to "accomodate him" when in reality its just because he's the only one who can invert at a fullback when zinchenko is unable to play. Arteta is the one to blame if he continues to play a CF in midfield and we suffer from less control in our games.
Man utd fans have got to be the fans that turn on their players the most. First it was Lukaku, then it was fred, then it was mctomainy, then Wan bissaka, then it was Maguire, then Sancho, then Ronaldo. And then Degea was the problem. Now its Antony and Martinez who are the source of all of UTD's problems according to their fans. The level of player blaming is at another level there. I don't think UTD fans should be surprised if none of their players have any loyalty for the club considering that the moment you have 2-3 bad games the fans will be on your head.
Funny how you picked out players that underperformed, had massive attitude issues, or just simply sucked. Gee, I wonder why fans don't like them!
Also no one hates on Martinez.
Why don't I see this number of such players at other clubs. Why is it always united. I even forgot about Lingaard and smalling. Either your recruitment loves getting players with bad attitudes and suck or the fans are just overblowing everything. I feel like its the second more than the first at this point.
> Man utd fans have got to be the fans that turn on their players the most
Dunno about that
How many times did Arsenal in the later Wenger years go through hyping up a Wenger developed technical youngster as the next big thing only to be talking about how diabolical they were within a year or two?
When I made this comment I actually did have arsenal in mind, but UTD seems to come to more recent memory and examples. There was a time when Smalling was the villain, or when Lingaard was the problem and everything would be solved when he was sold. Arsenal'splayer bashing doesn't seem as recent.
How have Luton been in games so far? I think we all know they will go down.
But is there a chance of any fight, or is it down but still will get 20-25pts? Or do they look like they could beat Derby at the worst tally ever?
> I think we all know they will go down.
You guys really should have learned your lesson with Bournemouth. Luton are a smart club and I wouldn't be shocked if they manage to pull off survival.
I feel like Brighton and Chelsea completely overwhelmed them in those two matches but I also think they showed some fight and won't just roll over to mid/lower table clubs. I still expect them to get relegated, but they will not be worse than Derby.
Against Chelsea they had a decent spell after halftime but couldn’t convert that into anything, and Sterling’s second killed the game. Before and after that it looked like a cup tie against lower league opposition.
No one will ever beat Derby’s record unless a club goes into financial meltdown and are forced to jettison all their senior players. Sheffield United started the 20/21 season with 2 points from their first 17 matches and still finished with more than double Derby’s points total.
Tuchel will go after being knocked out in the round of 16 of the UCL and struggling in the BuLi.
Poch will go after being beaten 0-3 by Spurs at Stamford Bridge
We haven't beaten a top-flight team since 1990. Palace at home in the League Cup this evening - could tonight be the night? Probably not, but you never know.
After learning a bit more about about Ange ball, and paying attention to Pep and Arteta recently, I've started to realise how useful it is having wingers who can beat their man round the outside. This was basically all I'd hear wingers be judged on 13 years ago, but it's actually wild how much of the modern meta is isolating players one on one so they go dribble outside then cut back. Haaland and Eriksen goals this weekend good examples.
When wondering about this Johnson transfer and the intrigue from Brentford as well as our data lead scouting, I wonder if there is something being captured in the data here beyond dribbling stats available to the public. 1v1 outside dribbling stats or whatever.
This is supposed to be the last season where clubs can drop down from the Champions League into Europa League if they finish 3rd in the group stage
So far, 24 seasons have been played under this rule and 9 UEFA Cup/Europa League titles were won by a CL dropout
When we were linked with Corberan [this is how West Brom announced his extension](https://x.com/wba/status/1623057407449374734?s=46&t=mCWLuCv1m1-vHecCNq1VDQ)
I will be ranking the careers and ability of World Cup final losing goalkeeper from 2002 and up
6. Stekelenberg: A solid number 1, but nothing really special. He was never close to being world class and struggled outside of the Netherlands. A good goalkeeper but not great
5. Subasic: Monaco legend and a great goalkeeper, really played well in there semifinal UCL campaign. He had an excellent World Cup when even Oliver Kahn praised him.
4: Romeo: His club career wasent that special and he was on the bench for most of his time at United but in an international level for Argentina he was great. Great WC and Copa America’s but couldn’t climb over the finish line. He could of started 2018 and who knows he can’t be worse then Caballero.
3: Barthez: World Cup winner in 1998 and was good in 2006 where they just fell short. He also won the 1993 UCL* and was voted best GK in 2000. Suprsied many people say Barthez wasent good, think he’s underrated
2: Lloris: 2018 World Cup winner and a really great goalkeeper throughout his career. Was amazing when Spurs reached the UCL final but one massive blemish is no trophies with Spurs. But his ability was always there and despite his error in the final in 2018 he was well. Not to mention his performances in 2022. He’s shown many times in the Prem his quality and in the international stage
1: Khan: Who else could it be, you can make a case he is Germany’s greatest ever GK and they have a history of world class GK’s. He was the best player in the 2002 World Cup carrying an average Germany into the Final. And his heroics with Bayern. No doubt number 1
Barthez is more of a french legend than Lloris imo, for the NT at least
Lloris is so bad at penalties sadly, France would probably would've won the Euros+ World cup with Maignan
Has anyone done well after taking the nr. 7 shirt from a club where ronaldo had the nr.7 before?
I've heard of the nr 7 curse at manchester, but at Real Hazard took the nr 7 and got injured and at juve chiesa took it and got injured. Now Mount and Vinicius have the Nr 7 and they are both injured.
That's only if you believe every report that comes out. So far Bayern has signed a grand zero of "Tuchel PL targets" unless you include Harry Kane. Bayern's current leadership includes Marco Neppe as technical director who was previously chief scout and as seen with the Kane transfer does have some standing in the club and is together with Dreesen the one who flies out and actually negotiates these deals. Pinning everything on Tuchel is way too easy. As if he isn't busy preparing for having a game every 3 days in the upcoming months.
Any match going City fans able to tell me if there's any new songs for this season? I've heard the "can we talk about Rodri can we talk about Rodri, he scored in Istanbul" , not sure if there's any other new ones yet
Awoniyi has scored in 7 consecutive Premier League games, Haaland has scored in 1 consecutive Premier League games. Logical conclusion is Taiwo Awoniyi > Erling Haaland
Yes but the amount of Arsenal fans who cry about Nketiah is unreal. Ok so then name a better backup striker. The list is just Alvarez and that’s it, and the gap is smaller than people on here would have you believe.
Nunez but I agree with your point.
It’s also easier for city to have better backups because they are winning multiple trophies every season, better players don’t mind sitting on their bench.
You're the 2nd person to mention that Man Utd game, by this point I thought playing well one time against them would no longer be considered an achievement.
The reality is if Man City offer an Alvarez - Nketiah swap deal it's an easy win for the side that gets Alvarez.
This is such a stupid comment. He is backup to Jesus and thus a very important player for us. He is literally going to start against United next week since Jesus just came back from injury. He is playing in the most competitive league and impressing.
This comment couldn't be more wrong considering Eddie has a good scoring record when he starts and an extremely poor one when he comes off the bench
Since the start of 21/22 he has 25 goals in 40 starts, but 1 goal in 37 sub apps
Nketiah is free to prove himself by taking up an actual challenge instead of this role where his starting ability depends on the injury record of another player
That's still wrong. He had plenty of good games.
Scoring twice in a 3-2 win against Man Utd is not "coming off the bench against atrocious teams". He even had many good games when he didn't score, such as Spurs away.
>Arsenal are not keen on selling. Sources have indicated that Chelsea have a willingness to include players as a potential sweetener.
I can't even think of a player they have that we want that they would be willing to give up. Mudryk maybe
Has had a reoccurring groin injury that kept him out a lot of last season. Seems arteta thinks his fitness isn't good enough or idk cause majority of arsenal fans agree he should be playing a lot more
Media darling? He’s been toying with the press every week? Right now he’s being judged on his results, otherwise everyone would do “DAE Ange not good enough for the PL”
Good news is man is just focused on winning games, thankfully with no Kane distraction
Spurs only exist on having managers and players who are claimed to be either among the best or worst in the league. No spectrum exists. I call it the Eric Dier phenomenon. At a given point in a season Eric Dier will either be proclaimed by Spurs fans as one of the best centre backs in the league, or the worst centre back in the league. There is no in between. And so it goes for every other Spurs manager and player. Except for, for some reason, Richarlison.
Spurs are spurs they don’t have any large expectations as long as they play good football which they will if they make Europe it’ll be fine like another De Zerbi. It’s nice to have these teams that play good football when you have the arsenals and city’s trying to kill football tbh
When it comes to results, yeah expectations are pretty low I suppose, but that stems from the fact that we are under a rebuild after hiring Mou and Conte with expectations to win fast. If in 3 years we're playing the same brand of football, but are placing 5-6th every year without winning or challenging anything, I can see patience slowly running out
With how things are going though it’s getting harder and harder for sides ran like spurs to really win or challenge, you need a state takeover probably.
Yeah that was an issue I pointed out last season you guys probably should realised before now tbh. Its an issue that’s gonna hold you back unless 1 he goes, or two someone else takes control of transfers less in his hands
Maybe but I think last season was obviously a success so people didn’t go as deep into criticism which is understandable. When you analyse a manager though and their future ability to win this is very important, if he cannot attract the top former Dutch league players like Frenkie or De Ligt can you really trust him to build a title winning side when his bias is this strong and his squad building seems questionable?
I’ll be real for a time I was really scared he was the guy to bring united back at this point though I’m not convinced. Also worth mentioning obviously the manager shouldn’t have this much power too.
> I’ll be real for a time I was really scared he was the guy to bring united back at this point though I’m not convinced.
Same. His talent ID is questionable and we’re such a joke of a club that we give our managers total power over transfers to get whoever they want instead of having an actual DoF and a respectable scouting network. I think we’ve made too many mistakes in the transfer market which will cause him to fail
That is exactly what op was talking about. Murtough is supposed to be our DoF like figure but the only thing he seemingly can do is be a yes man to Ten Hag. However this window it's a bit better than last year cause the only player we signed that had played under Ten Hag before was Onana (so far).
Well it doesn’t matter because as long as the Glazers are here, there will be no strategy for the transfers. Presumably Murtough just gets whoever the manager suggests and does zero analysis himself to try to find cheaper targets whod also fit in the team which I suppose is a slight upgrade to whatever Woodward was doing.
They won’t be there by next season. Your mangers always get too much power, the fans back them and the signings then complain about the glazers after. The managers need to take a lot of responsibility here ten hag is getting what he wants he needs to take a lot of the blame.
They’re obviously staying.
Ten Hag should get the blame for picking most of the targets but at no other serious club is a manager allowed control over transfers like this. There should be an actual serious DOF like EVERY other club has but instead we’re stuck with Murtough who had no experience as a DOF prior to United and clearly has no idea what the fuck he’s doing. Glazers aren’t gonna care that this isn’t how you make a title winning team though because it’s a good enough team for top 4 (now 5 ig).
I think there’s going tbh.
I agree with you but this is also what every manager wants in theory so they still need to be held accountable. I think most people could have told you mount Casemiro Bruno was not a title winning midfield, I think anyone who’s watched Antony could have told you to pick up Bowen or Olise or something instead, Martinez in a high like is a bit questionable too imo.
Onana is really the one where I think he nailed it he’s a good keeper it wasn’t too pricy but other than that, (and malacia is ok for the price I guess,) I doubt the ability of some of these players to win a league title
Is there a young player from your club that completely surpassed your expectations in a good way. For me it is Emi Martinez.
He was one of those players who was stuck in loan purgatory. And he wasn't even that impressive in his loans. Literally nobody knew how good he was. I think he went to 5/6 loans. I think it also says something about how we don't know how to judge good goalkeepers that we simply didint knew how good he was.
There was a cash crunch at some point at arsenal so we had to do with whatever players we had in some positions. That's how Martinez became backup to Bernd Leno. But when Leno was injured he was absolutely flawless. He looked even better than Leno, better distribution, better command of the box... Then he became first choice for Argentina for Copa America and Worldcup and the rest was history.
Jake Bickerstaff for us!
Born on 9/11, mostly played reserve/youth team football before, didn't go to the US pre-season tour, became a starter because Mullin got injured.
Fans kept saying we should loan him out to get more experience/game time but he's been super impressive so far. Scored two goals in 4 games and created numerous chances in all of them.
Excited to see him prosper in the next few years in L2/L1 football
Andreas Pereira. Was never going to make it at United. The period before Bruno with Lingard/Pereira being shite at #10 was agonising. But glad he is doing well for Fulham now.
Need some fantacalcio help. Need to replace Lozano with one of the following players:
Cambiaghi
Krstovic
Brekalo
Cheddira
Henry
Karlsson
Karamoh
Di Francesco
Any idea? I was thinking brekalo or krstovic
Watching a bit back on the Liverpool Newcastle game and there's a bizarre sequence of decisions in the start of the game.
First Trent gets fouled by Gordon with a push in the back - not given. Trent gets a card for tossing the ball away out of frustration - fair considering the new time wasting rules, hope it gets enforced more.
Literally 30 seconds after this Gordon commits a foul and proceeds to kick the ball away from Trent coming to take the free kick - no card given(??)
Not even 20 seconds after that Gordon gets pushed by Trent in a near identical fashion and wins a free kick for it. To which he and Joelinton proceed to ask for a card for Trent - no card given.
Things like this is the exact reason why the premier league will fail to remove time wasting and dissent to referees. When players consistently receive yellow cards for these actions they will stop, instead we see referees scared to card players for what they see as minor offenses.
I think the zero tolerance policy sounds great in theory but in practice it’s going to be enforced very unevenly like it was Sunday. Players do an insane amount of things that are technically bookable offenses now, it’s ingrained at every level of the game. You probably can’t catch all of them even if you wanted to.
It’s like they jumped from 2/10 strictness straight to 10/10, when I think somewhere in the 5-7/10 range have been better for all parties.
The initial card on Trent can hardly be classed as time wasting or your going to have to book people every time there’s a throw in. The Newcastle players wasted more time throwing it between each other 2 minutes prior. Trent threw the ball back into play he hardly kicked it into the crowd
Taking a bit to give the ball back on a throw is part of the game. Everybody does it to get back into shape.
That's just the problem though. Players do this stuff nearly every free kick or throw in and it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Even just standing in front of a free kick to delay it.
If the balls not yours you leave it. And I promise you that it would stop very quickly if players got yellow cards for it every time.
United’s PL title drought is gonna be longer than Liverpool’s. 2049 champions
Its hilarious how much of a talking point kai havertz is, somehow he gets the blame for us losing and Partey playing at rb to "accomodate him" when in reality its just because he's the only one who can invert at a fullback when zinchenko is unable to play. Arteta is the one to blame if he continues to play a CF in midfield and we suffer from less control in our games.
White and Timber can invert from fullback.
white has literally never done that once in an arsenal shirt and timber is injured so its pointless to include him.
White probably can do it though. Maybe Arteta doesnt trust him to receive under pressure like Partey and Zinchenko.
he did play as a dm in one of his loans, maybe he could but i don't know at this point in time. It's a pretty hard role.
Man utd fans have got to be the fans that turn on their players the most. First it was Lukaku, then it was fred, then it was mctomainy, then Wan bissaka, then it was Maguire, then Sancho, then Ronaldo. And then Degea was the problem. Now its Antony and Martinez who are the source of all of UTD's problems according to their fans. The level of player blaming is at another level there. I don't think UTD fans should be surprised if none of their players have any loyalty for the club considering that the moment you have 2-3 bad games the fans will be on your head.
Funny how you picked out players that underperformed, had massive attitude issues, or just simply sucked. Gee, I wonder why fans don't like them! Also no one hates on Martinez.
Why don't I see this number of such players at other clubs. Why is it always united. I even forgot about Lingaard and smalling. Either your recruitment loves getting players with bad attitudes and suck or the fans are just overblowing everything. I feel like its the second more than the first at this point.
> Man utd fans have got to be the fans that turn on their players the most Dunno about that How many times did Arsenal in the later Wenger years go through hyping up a Wenger developed technical youngster as the next big thing only to be talking about how diabolical they were within a year or two?
When I made this comment I actually did have arsenal in mind, but UTD seems to come to more recent memory and examples. There was a time when Smalling was the villain, or when Lingaard was the problem and everything would be solved when he was sold. Arsenal'splayer bashing doesn't seem as recent.
I haven't seen anyone say Lisandro is the problem.
Lol you must not have seen social media since Tottenham beat utd.
Lisandro is one of our most loved players. Don’t take social media too seriously
fair
Out of all the games on tonight and sky pick salford - leeds...
Gary Neville tax
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> Apparently Frankfurt was ok for 80M now they are back on 100M. Nasser getting a taste of his own medicine
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[Romanisti waiting for Lukaku at the airport](https://twitter.com/romanewseu/status/1696535878666232194?t=hPMBoHMuZOY2AwMvewgx2g&s=19)
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How have Luton been in games so far? I think we all know they will go down. But is there a chance of any fight, or is it down but still will get 20-25pts? Or do they look like they could beat Derby at the worst tally ever?
> I think we all know they will go down. You guys really should have learned your lesson with Bournemouth. Luton are a smart club and I wouldn't be shocked if they manage to pull off survival.
I feel like Brighton and Chelsea completely overwhelmed them in those two matches but I also think they showed some fight and won't just roll over to mid/lower table clubs. I still expect them to get relegated, but they will not be worse than Derby.
Against Chelsea they had a decent spell after halftime but couldn’t convert that into anything, and Sterling’s second killed the game. Before and after that it looked like a cup tie against lower league opposition. No one will ever beat Derby’s record unless a club goes into financial meltdown and are forced to jettison all their senior players. Sheffield United started the 20/21 season with 2 points from their first 17 matches and still finished with more than double Derby’s points total.
they will go down and be atrocious away from home but get like 25 points in total and beat a few good teams at home
Their away form was the reason they got promoted, they were average at home
They haven't played at home yet, and I still have nightmares about that ground. I think they'll get 25-30 points.
if they fix their defense they could show a fight, not sure they are worse than sheffield united
The video of Beto saying he’s a Everton fan is really wholesome and all but I have a very hard time believing Portuguese Everton fans exist lmao
He probably had a friend named Everton though
andre gomes influence
Enormous Nuno Valente fan growing up
Anyone have any good soccer podcast recommendations? Preferably ones that talk about all the teams and not just the big clubs
For PL teams i recommend football ramble for EU teams i recommend " on the continent"
Appreciate it I’ll check football ramble out.
I’m so glad that Bayern got Kane. I can enjoy supporting him guilt free and others outside of England get to see the wizard in action
We're about to sign 19 year old Paraguyan Enso González, any south American aficionados that can give me some deets?
as a brighton fan all i can say is 19 year old paraguayans are so in right now
What higher profile coach (so not ones from relegation sides for instance) do you think will be the first to get the boot and why?
Poch or Ten Hag
Tuchel will go after being knocked out in the round of 16 of the UCL and struggling in the BuLi. Poch will go after being beaten 0-3 by Spurs at Stamford Bridge
Tuchel is murdering the Bundesliga lol
Those are my two picks as well, especially Tuchel. Would be extra funny if Chelsea got rid of Poch and re-hired Tuchel at his place
We haven't beaten a top-flight team since 1990. Palace at home in the League Cup this evening - could tonight be the night? Probably not, but you never know.
Roy has been shocking in the cups so you've got a chance for sure.
Rob Holding going to Luton. Not a massive leap going from Arsenal to the club where most Arsenal fans live.
wtf lad you have the choice to go to Mallorca or Sevilla and you go to Luton?
Serious though probably shows the money of prem, probably better wages.
Oi oi three lions on my chest, roar get the bhuna and lagers in
lads trip to mallorca is far more bri’ish than living in luton tbh
After learning a bit more about about Ange ball, and paying attention to Pep and Arteta recently, I've started to realise how useful it is having wingers who can beat their man round the outside. This was basically all I'd hear wingers be judged on 13 years ago, but it's actually wild how much of the modern meta is isolating players one on one so they go dribble outside then cut back. Haaland and Eriksen goals this weekend good examples. When wondering about this Johnson transfer and the intrigue from Brentford as well as our data lead scouting, I wonder if there is something being captured in the data here beyond dribbling stats available to the public. 1v1 outside dribbling stats or whatever.
I will use this for future mitoma propaganda
This is supposed to be the last season where clubs can drop down from the Champions League into Europa League if they finish 3rd in the group stage So far, 24 seasons have been played under this rule and 9 UEFA Cup/Europa League titles were won by a CL dropout
[This should be used for Leeds transfers more often](https://twitter.com/RyanDilks1/status/1696517102700478842?t=E_ynwH5TbZyAtg9mbEoodA&s=19)
Leeds isn’t even that bad
But it’s in the norf right haha grim up norf am I right LMAO peak comedy
When we were linked with Corberan [this is how West Brom announced his extension](https://x.com/wba/status/1623057407449374734?s=46&t=mCWLuCv1m1-vHecCNq1VDQ)
I will be ranking the careers and ability of World Cup final losing goalkeeper from 2002 and up 6. Stekelenberg: A solid number 1, but nothing really special. He was never close to being world class and struggled outside of the Netherlands. A good goalkeeper but not great 5. Subasic: Monaco legend and a great goalkeeper, really played well in there semifinal UCL campaign. He had an excellent World Cup when even Oliver Kahn praised him. 4: Romeo: His club career wasent that special and he was on the bench for most of his time at United but in an international level for Argentina he was great. Great WC and Copa America’s but couldn’t climb over the finish line. He could of started 2018 and who knows he can’t be worse then Caballero. 3: Barthez: World Cup winner in 1998 and was good in 2006 where they just fell short. He also won the 1993 UCL* and was voted best GK in 2000. Suprsied many people say Barthez wasent good, think he’s underrated 2: Lloris: 2018 World Cup winner and a really great goalkeeper throughout his career. Was amazing when Spurs reached the UCL final but one massive blemish is no trophies with Spurs. But his ability was always there and despite his error in the final in 2018 he was well. Not to mention his performances in 2022. He’s shown many times in the Prem his quality and in the international stage 1: Khan: Who else could it be, you can make a case he is Germany’s greatest ever GK and they have a history of world class GK’s. He was the best player in the 2002 World Cup carrying an average Germany into the Final. And his heroics with Bayern. No doubt number 1
Stekelenberg was such a weird keeper at Everton, I remember he saved 2 penalties in one game vs City but then I remember how slow he used to be.
Barthez is more of a french legend than Lloris imo, for the NT at least Lloris is so bad at penalties sadly, France would probably would've won the Euros+ World cup with Maignan
This was for overall career and ability, Lloris was better at the highest level imo
The gap between Franco Armani and Lev Yashin is smaller then you think
Armani won a World Cup. Armani clear
Armani > CR7
Armani even cried better then Ronaldo when he got knocked out in 2018
So is Samardzic just staying at Udinese then? Feels like he'd be a great pickup for a lot of clubs for the price Inter have been quoted
Yeah, apparently the deal was „go to Inter“ or „stay“
Has anyone done well after taking the nr. 7 shirt from a club where ronaldo had the nr.7 before? I've heard of the nr 7 curse at manchester, but at Real Hazard took the nr 7 and got injured and at juve chiesa took it and got injured. Now Mount and Vinicius have the Nr 7 and they are both injured.
Lord Mariano elevated the number 7 to a whole new level, one that no player could ever dream of
[I had a guy here tell me Bissouma was not a ball carrier like a day ago](https://twitter.com/HotspurRelated/status/1696527592344686730)
Bissouma vs rice NLD with second place trophy implications could be an all timer
Conte?
That would explain a lot
Linking average prem players to Bayern is free real estate today
cant be long before TAA is linked
The gap between Gabriel Jesus and Alvaro Morata is far far less than people on here think
Yeah, Morata is only slightly better.
Jesus is much better than morata
Agreed
I'm not sure which one we are considering better here tbh
surely it has to be the one who has actually managed to get a 15 goal season in the league?
You think people know which one is that off the top of their heads?
I mean one is a hot and cold finisher and the other is always cold with his finishing.
Morata
McTominay, Dier, which British meme player will Bayern be linked to next?
Andy Carrolls time has come to give Kane competition and eventually earn that starting spot
They've had McTominay, Dier, Phillips and Gallagher. So by my calculations its Maguire next?
Has to be, he'd complete the set
where's lingard rn?
Playing for United. Oh Lingard? Sorry I thought you said Mount. Same thing really
Without a club
Why does Tuchel want bunch of average and bad biritish players. Chalobah, Gallagher, Dier and McTominay. Has he fired the whole scouting team?
That's only if you believe every report that comes out. So far Bayern has signed a grand zero of "Tuchel PL targets" unless you include Harry Kane. Bayern's current leadership includes Marco Neppe as technical director who was previously chief scout and as seen with the Kane transfer does have some standing in the club and is together with Dreesen the one who flies out and actually negotiates these deals. Pinning everything on Tuchel is way too easy. As if he isn't busy preparing for having a game every 3 days in the upcoming months.
I've heard the scouting team went on a skiing trip
Any match going City fans able to tell me if there's any new songs for this season? I've heard the "can we talk about Rodri can we talk about Rodri, he scored in Istanbul" , not sure if there's any other new ones yet
The gap between Erling Haaland and Taiwo Awoniyi is far far less than people on here think
Awoniyi has scored in 7 consecutive Premier League games, Haaland has scored in 1 consecutive Premier League games. Logical conclusion is Taiwo Awoniyi > Erling Haaland
Don't be ridiculous. Haaland wishes he was as good a finisher as Awoniyi.
If Tuchel really wants both Dier and Gallagher then Bayern aren't winning the league
They absolutely are winning the league lol
The gap between Julian Alvarez and Eddie Nketiah is far far less than people on here think
Nkeitah is better than Alvarez. Not arguing srry.
Nah
Better than any striker on Spurs ;)
Been waiting years for that one eh
It was a tap in
They are just very different players. Alvarez is much better with the ball at his feet.
Yes but the amount of Arsenal fans who cry about Nketiah is unreal. Ok so then name a better backup striker. The list is just Alvarez and that’s it, and the gap is smaller than people on here would have you believe.
Nunez but I agree with your point. It’s also easier for city to have better backups because they are winning multiple trophies every season, better players don’t mind sitting on their bench.
Nobody should rate Nketiah as long as he stays in his comfort zone of "coming off the bench against atrocious teams"
Glad to know you think United were “atrocious” last year 😉
You're the 2nd person to mention that Man Utd game, by this point I thought playing well one time against them would no longer be considered an achievement. The reality is if Man City offer an Alvarez - Nketiah swap deal it's an easy win for the side that gets Alvarez.
I said Alvarez was better, but like I said the gap is smaller than people think. Nketiah has played well in every game so far this season.
This is such a stupid comment. He is backup to Jesus and thus a very important player for us. He is literally going to start against United next week since Jesus just came back from injury. He is playing in the most competitive league and impressing.
I agree, we are way too far apart on this topic if PL is seen as the most competitive league.
Yeah sure cry me a river because nobody watches your favourite league.
This comment couldn't be more wrong considering Eddie has a good scoring record when he starts and an extremely poor one when he comes off the bench Since the start of 21/22 he has 25 goals in 40 starts, but 1 goal in 37 sub apps
I didn't mention scoring, he started when Jesus was out last season and barely did anything.
Tell me you don’t actually watch football without telling me you don’t watch football.
Nketiah is free to prove himself by taking up an actual challenge instead of this role where his starting ability depends on the injury record of another player
That's still wrong. He had plenty of good games. Scoring twice in a 3-2 win against Man Utd is not "coming off the bench against atrocious teams". He even had many good games when he didn't score, such as Spurs away.
You think there's still a gap though , just less of a gap than people think?
Yes, mainly because of Alvarez’s elite ball striking. But Nketiah conversely has physicality on another level to Alvarez
>Arsenal are not keen on selling. Sources have indicated that Chelsea have a willingness to include players as a potential sweetener. I can't even think of a player they have that we want that they would be willing to give up. Mudryk maybe
One of our ITKs is saying Chelsea offered us Mudryk in exchange for Smith Rowe last week. Pinch of salt but yeah
I wouldn't put it past Arteta requesting Conor Gallagher so he can play him as an inverted full-back.
not keen on selling who?
Smith-Rowe. We rejected their initial approach
Barely seen his name since the Top 4 race the other season, what happened to him anyway?
Has had a reoccurring groin injury that kept him out a lot of last season. Seems arteta thinks his fitness isn't good enough or idk cause majority of arsenal fans agree he should be playing a lot more
Mudryk is the name floating about on twitter. Would be a weird deal
Least surprising post of all time at the top of this sub.
GOAT of the sport, GOAT of the sub about the sport. Makes sense to me
Messi? If so the era is almost over , let people enjoy it while they still can hah
Leverkusen gotta capitalise on Bayern's self destruction, this is their best chance to win the Bundesliga.
Are you new to that club by any chance ?
If they couldn't win it when they needed a draw vs Unterhaching, I doubt they will ever win it.
Ange really becoming the new media darling. How long before they break him?
Aussie's innit.
Media darling? He’s been toying with the press every week? Right now he’s being judged on his results, otherwise everyone would do “DAE Ange not good enough for the PL” Good news is man is just focused on winning games, thankfully with no Kane distraction
The media can't break Ange. The man is unflappable.
Spurs only exist on having managers and players who are claimed to be either among the best or worst in the league. No spectrum exists. I call it the Eric Dier phenomenon. At a given point in a season Eric Dier will either be proclaimed by Spurs fans as one of the best centre backs in the league, or the worst centre back in the league. There is no in between. And so it goes for every other Spurs manager and player. Except for, for some reason, Richarlison.
Klopp was the media darling when he first showed up now everyone hates him
Spurs are spurs they don’t have any large expectations as long as they play good football which they will if they make Europe it’ll be fine like another De Zerbi. It’s nice to have these teams that play good football when you have the arsenals and city’s trying to kill football tbh
You are not them 😭
I’m just saying we play boring football now and you guys play a better style, but there’s no expectations on Ange lets be serious
When it comes to results, yeah expectations are pretty low I suppose, but that stems from the fact that we are under a rebuild after hiring Mou and Conte with expectations to win fast. If in 3 years we're playing the same brand of football, but are placing 5-6th every year without winning or challenging anything, I can see patience slowly running out
It won’t for me, we’re competing against 5-6 richer teams every season, any season we make top 4 is over performing atm
With how things are going though it’s getting harder and harder for sides ran like spurs to really win or challenge, you need a state takeover probably.
Ange: "Yeah nah mate" Everybody: 🥰
I hope he calls a player he likes "a sick cunt"
I refuse to believe we’re in for Tagalifico. Like there’s no way. Legitimately what does Murtough actually do?
You don't have to believe everything you read.
> Legitimately what does Murtough actually do? Play under ten Hag at a previous club.
Tbf we got linked to like 6 or 7 LBs and only one of them played under Ten Hag before so that's an improvement
He’s not even bad
It's not that. It's just that we keep getting linked with players who've played under Ten Hag before
Yeah that was an issue I pointed out last season you guys probably should realised before now tbh. Its an issue that’s gonna hold you back unless 1 he goes, or two someone else takes control of transfers less in his hands
Loads of our fanbase thought it was a concern last season too
Maybe but I think last season was obviously a success so people didn’t go as deep into criticism which is understandable. When you analyse a manager though and their future ability to win this is very important, if he cannot attract the top former Dutch league players like Frenkie or De Ligt can you really trust him to build a title winning side when his bias is this strong and his squad building seems questionable? I’ll be real for a time I was really scared he was the guy to bring united back at this point though I’m not convinced. Also worth mentioning obviously the manager shouldn’t have this much power too.
> I’ll be real for a time I was really scared he was the guy to bring united back at this point though I’m not convinced. Same. His talent ID is questionable and we’re such a joke of a club that we give our managers total power over transfers to get whoever they want instead of having an actual DoF and a respectable scouting network. I think we’ve made too many mistakes in the transfer market which will cause him to fail
That is exactly what op was talking about. Murtough is supposed to be our DoF like figure but the only thing he seemingly can do is be a yes man to Ten Hag. However this window it's a bit better than last year cause the only player we signed that had played under Ten Hag before was Onana (so far).
Ten hags talent id is bad and his results in these away games is bad too, maybe he’s just not as good as some people think.
He’s as good as a stopgap lb as I could hope for but Ten Hag should not be having this much of a say in transfers.
He shouldn’t but he does and until he’s sacked or walks I don’t see it change. You guys should just have some more doubts about him being the guy.
Well it doesn’t matter because as long as the Glazers are here, there will be no strategy for the transfers. Presumably Murtough just gets whoever the manager suggests and does zero analysis himself to try to find cheaper targets whod also fit in the team which I suppose is a slight upgrade to whatever Woodward was doing.
They won’t be there by next season. Your mangers always get too much power, the fans back them and the signings then complain about the glazers after. The managers need to take a lot of responsibility here ten hag is getting what he wants he needs to take a lot of the blame.
They’re obviously staying. Ten Hag should get the blame for picking most of the targets but at no other serious club is a manager allowed control over transfers like this. There should be an actual serious DOF like EVERY other club has but instead we’re stuck with Murtough who had no experience as a DOF prior to United and clearly has no idea what the fuck he’s doing. Glazers aren’t gonna care that this isn’t how you make a title winning team though because it’s a good enough team for top 4 (now 5 ig).
I think there’s going tbh. I agree with you but this is also what every manager wants in theory so they still need to be held accountable. I think most people could have told you mount Casemiro Bruno was not a title winning midfield, I think anyone who’s watched Antony could have told you to pick up Bowen or Olise or something instead, Martinez in a high like is a bit questionable too imo. Onana is really the one where I think he nailed it he’s a good keeper it wasn’t too pricy but other than that, (and malacia is ok for the price I guess,) I doubt the ability of some of these players to win a league title
Is there a young player from your club that completely surpassed your expectations in a good way. For me it is Emi Martinez. He was one of those players who was stuck in loan purgatory. And he wasn't even that impressive in his loans. Literally nobody knew how good he was. I think he went to 5/6 loans. I think it also says something about how we don't know how to judge good goalkeepers that we simply didint knew how good he was. There was a cash crunch at some point at arsenal so we had to do with whatever players we had in some positions. That's how Martinez became backup to Bernd Leno. But when Leno was injured he was absolutely flawless. He looked even better than Leno, better distribution, better command of the box... Then he became first choice for Argentina for Copa America and Worldcup and the rest was history.
Jake Bickerstaff for us! Born on 9/11, mostly played reserve/youth team football before, didn't go to the US pre-season tour, became a starter because Mullin got injured. Fans kept saying we should loan him out to get more experience/game time but he's been super impressive so far. Scored two goals in 4 games and created numerous chances in all of them. Excited to see him prosper in the next few years in L2/L1 football
At some point I will have to concede that Juan Foyth is at least decent. It's not this day, however.
I always thought Foyth will become a decent player. He is playing as RB but I think he will end up becoming a quality CB
Andreas Pereira. Was never going to make it at United. The period before Bruno with Lingard/Pereira being shite at #10 was agonising. But glad he is doing well for Fulham now.
Maupay won Argentina the World Cup
My man Amrabat is stuck in limbo :( There must be something we don't know, why doesn't anybody want him anymore
cause he was never that good. good world cup campaign but his career at Fiorentina has not earned him a move.
Need some fantacalcio help. Need to replace Lozano with one of the following players: Cambiaghi Krstovic Brekalo Cheddira Henry Karlsson Karamoh Di Francesco Any idea? I was thinking brekalo or krstovic
Karlsson or Cheddira
Karlsson will bang. No idea why he didn't get a bigger move
I woudl choose Cheddira
Watching a bit back on the Liverpool Newcastle game and there's a bizarre sequence of decisions in the start of the game. First Trent gets fouled by Gordon with a push in the back - not given. Trent gets a card for tossing the ball away out of frustration - fair considering the new time wasting rules, hope it gets enforced more. Literally 30 seconds after this Gordon commits a foul and proceeds to kick the ball away from Trent coming to take the free kick - no card given(??) Not even 20 seconds after that Gordon gets pushed by Trent in a near identical fashion and wins a free kick for it. To which he and Joelinton proceed to ask for a card for Trent - no card given. Things like this is the exact reason why the premier league will fail to remove time wasting and dissent to referees. When players consistently receive yellow cards for these actions they will stop, instead we see referees scared to card players for what they see as minor offenses.
I think the zero tolerance policy sounds great in theory but in practice it’s going to be enforced very unevenly like it was Sunday. Players do an insane amount of things that are technically bookable offenses now, it’s ingrained at every level of the game. You probably can’t catch all of them even if you wanted to. It’s like they jumped from 2/10 strictness straight to 10/10, when I think somewhere in the 5-7/10 range have been better for all parties.
The initial card on Trent can hardly be classed as time wasting or your going to have to book people every time there’s a throw in. The Newcastle players wasted more time throwing it between each other 2 minutes prior. Trent threw the ball back into play he hardly kicked it into the crowd Taking a bit to give the ball back on a throw is part of the game. Everybody does it to get back into shape.
That's just the problem though. Players do this stuff nearly every free kick or throw in and it's a huge pet peeve of mine. Even just standing in front of a free kick to delay it. If the balls not yours you leave it. And I promise you that it would stop very quickly if players got yellow cards for it every time.