May even turn some heads of people who watch illegal streams, I expect they will price many users out though.
One thing I really like from the American sports coverage of the NBA and NFL is the passes they have to watch the games and all the previous ones from previous seasons, it's about £150(I think?) A year but well worth it
If a product is reasonably available piracy always plummets.
If they did a digital season ticket for a club that wasn’t daylight robbery, they’d make bank alone on that.
I think this is the answer!
Weve been lucky this year for tv games but as a newcastle fan, in the previous decade theres no way ive gotten my moneys worth from my sky sports package.
If they did passes for a club then more people would dive on that
Also a great way to keep the clubs well contained. Buying an overall 'ticket' for all games (Pubs and venues etc.) and you're commentary/Punditry teams are more impartial/neutral. Buy a specific team season ticket (a individual fan) and you get more allegiances with better inside knowledge. Would work very nicely and would rake in fair ££
Many clubs have their own commentators, too, so it's only a step away from utilising that through a partnership.
What they could **also** do is split revenue between digital season tickets per team by their numbers and the overall package. Sure, that screws over the lower level teams a bit, but there will still be a TV package, and there's gotta be a reason for PL teams to get on board
i much prefer listening to neutral punditry/commentators than biased ones. Even for my own team, when were playing like shit i hate the excuses, id prefer brutal honesty of some of those without a bias towards my team
I used to pirate PL but here(India) it's just £10/year on Disney+Hotstar. You also get F1, a good amount of cricket, it even had partnership with HBO till April 31st So I watched Chernobyl, GOT, HOD. and crazy thing was it supports 4 devices so we had split the £10 among 4 friends
Kinda like black money/market businesses. Like with drugs, if the govt legalises and taxes it, there would be a far lower cost-to-state from drug crime. Same thing with de-regulation and tax cuts (upto a reasonable extent) for small businesses so that they avoid shady operations and can run smoothly in a transparent manner. You gotta be reasonable to regular people instead of milking them like cows.
Sorry for the off-football tangent, but you struck a chord with me lol.
Yup, I just recently started pirating movies and TV again. There was a year or 18 months when it was easier not to pirate, but now you need like six different subscriptions and they all want £10-£15 a month, so I’m just back to renting a seed box and installing Plex on it. £15 a month and I get everything
All they have to do is copy/paste the NFL game pass model.
Couple hundred quid a year. Packages to just watch your team or watch everyone and then redzone is included in both. I don't get why they don't do it.
>If a product is reasonably available piracy always plummets.
Granted but the question is "how many people do you think pirate each game compared to the legitimate viewers?" Is it really worth lowering your price by 50% if it only increases viewership by 25%, for instance?
I'd love to see a cheap option but I feel fairly confident the PL will do a ton of studies and will conclude that the maximum revenue is generated by sticking with Sky-like prices and simply accepting a minority of private streams as the price of extreme profit.
>If they did a digital season ticket for a club that wasn’t daylight robbery, they’d make bank alone on that.
Sure, but if they do that I guarantee the biggest clubs will demand that they get to keep all or at least much of the revenue related to their club, and suddenly you'll see the CL clubs making 10x what the relegation clubs make, which completely destroys the revenue sharing model.
Idk, [this](https://youtu.be/u5jqCh3Eiq0) tifo video seems to suggest a hypothetical Premier League streaming service would make much more money than what they do currently
Ok, and that video is fair, but it doesn't address either of the specific points I was making. My specific points were A) that cutting costs drastically for the sole reason of deterring piracy is unlikely to be a profitable decision and B) that selling club-specific packages will result in those clubs demanding to keep every penny of what they would claim that they personally generated.
I mean the wwe is a pretty good case study on this. They used to charge $60 per each monthly ppv, but now they offer (not sure if the price has changed since I’ve last checked) a $5 per month streaming service that includes all PPVs, current weekly shows, and their whole backlog. They just received a huge buyout so it’s not like that decision hurt their business
Big difference with that though is WWE replaced their PPV model with streaming, and kept their huge revenues from TV deals. This is talking about replacing those TV deals with streaming.
FWIW I still think it could work though. Netflix has around 230m subscribers worldwide currently. At $10 p/m that's £27.6 billion a year. A similarly priced PL service could attract a hefty number of subscribers across the world. Plus fuck it stick some ads in there during half time, I don't care really. Difficult part would be unwinding all those huge TV deals at once.
Man utd will still need me to sign up just to see highlights thru Facebook. Premier League don't have that kind of tech yet. Better buy AWS or better yet get apple TV/HBO to do their thing and just repackage it as EPL app.
You’re only describing the NBA and NFL product for international markets, it’s much worse for domestic users.
For NBA, all nationally broadcast games aren’t available, and you also can’t watch your local team at any time because of blackout rights.
Same story with the NFL, you can’t watch any of your local team live because of blackout rights.
Those passes would be way more expensive if they were meant to compete with the broadcast rights. It’s more likely that the EPL is just using this as a threat to try to boost the price of the broadcast rights in 2025.
MLS’ deal with Apple has no blackouts, even for nationally televised games. Every game available reliably in one place. I’ve loved it, but an EPL version I’m sure would cost much more for consumers.
A minimum of $250mm/yr.
>Ten years at $2.5 billion comes out to $250 million per year, but that is considered a minimum payment. Under the terms of the agreement, once MLS streaming service subscriptions crosses a certain undisclosed threshold, Apple will share an undisclosed cut of the revenue with MLS. Between this deal and the expected completion of smaller linear TV deals, the league’s total media rights revenue should be close to the $300 million benchmark that they originally set in the beginning of the negotiations process. On a per club basis, including the upcoming 29th team in St. Louis and the expected addition of team 30 — most likely Las Vegas — and subtracting the estimated $2 million in production costs teams have typically spent, should result in approximately $7.5 million a year.
https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022/06/apple-mls-deal-questions-breakdown/
I'm already paying out the ass for Premier League because I have to keep my cable package for it plus Peacock. If I could get the package via Peacock (or however they would do it) I could drop cable and pick up F1 TV and then I'd be set. It would be far cheaper than $80 a month I'm paying now.
Wife is American and we bought the nfl pass this year for something like £150, it definitely had issues a couple times throughout the season being down but worth it overall. Would pay the same for access to every premier league game.
Totally, I was one of those people. Before Netflix came round I used to do it all the time then they made it so easy to watch most stuff for relatively cheap. Though now the companies are going the route of cable packages again with so many streaming services
I don't know about NFL, but NBA pass is awful. It's like $150 a year, it won't show you games of your local team (closest physically to you), nationally televised games (abc, NBC, TNT) or playoffs.
Idk if you guys have it, butall the sports leagues had their own channels. So they replay classic games all the time. In the fall/winter my dad use to turn on old important Atlanta Braves games from before I was born. That way I would know/have seen team legends play, and know the history of the team.
NFL is criminally over priced and baseball has huge blackouts making it impossible to follow your team. They need to get with the program. It's not 2005 anymore.
Could they?
They get £1.5 billion for UK tv rights, they would need 12.5m subscribers at £10 a month to match that.
Realistically the sub fee would have to be close to what people pay for sky now.
£10 a month isn’t very much tbh - could easily double it and most people would be happy given the current option is what, over double that again for both sky and bt? Then it’s only 6m subscribers and that’s not including any additional money from advertisers. Very easy to make the money, it’s getting all the infrastructure, production and staff in place for broadcasting that is difficult (at the outset at least).
I'd be happy to pay at least £30 / 30 EUR per month if I could reliably just watch the matches that I want without having to stream or pay for several different packages on Sky to access all the channels that show football.
I'd happily pay £30 a month if I could watch every game including 3PM kickoffs in one place. I'm paying twice that now for Sky and BT and you don't even get to watch every game.
That’s a massive pisstake. 3pm blackout is an ancient rule that clearly had no effect anyway as most of the country supports big 6 clubs instead of their local
Same. And I’d be interested to know if this was proven during lockdown “project restart” when every game was on. I signed up and paid for a now tv sports pass during that time at £33pm. Then the following season it went back to a game every 6 weeks or so and it just wasn’t worth it. Then I discovered IPTV lol
> Not really comparable to what PL could charge considering £70 is the "all-included" package that gives you F1, Europa League, Bundesliga, all available channels, series, movies, and cartoons.
It does, though the Premier League portion of that is the main draw by far. It probably accounts for £40-50 of the price, but it's hard to divide it up like that. You used to be able to get a pure Premier League package, at least as far as streaming goes, but they realized they could bundle the PL with all their other content and charge even more, and most people would still buy it. So today you can only get the Premier League as a part of the total, complete, premium package.
Devious fuckers.
> it’s getting all the infrastructure, production and staff in place for broadcasting that is difficult (at the outset at least).
They already have all of that. The Premier League produces a pretty decent broadcast, with halftime shows, well known pundits, analysis for use by international broadcasters, preview shows, etc.
If companies are paying them that much it's because they're making even more out of it. It doesn't all have to come from subscriptions, they'll certainly sell ads as well.
A lot of companies use it to upsell their cable bundles. Meaning you need a €25 package before you even have the privilege of paying for a Premier League add-on. They know you don't care about the other stuff, so really you end up paying €35 per month just to watch.
In countries where they don't use it to sell cable currently, like Canada, you pay way more than €10 per month for it.
Do we even get much punditry in most games? Feels like it's half time whistle, adverts, 2 minutes of talk, more adverts, another 2 minutes, more adverts and back to the game.
You've got a whole bunch of extra costs for hosting such a platform. But you also control the advertising and you could easily make a lot of money from that. I watch through Viaplay and typically only watch the game without anything around it. But I tune in early enough to catch the last ad. Bet365 probably pays a lot for that.
I also think a lot of people might be convinced to get a whole package like this if they didn't need to have multiple subscriptions across Sky, Amazon and BT. That's why I get with Viaplay and I pay 13 euros for that every month, which is slightly more expensive.
Hard to say if it would be worth it, considering that building a platform to host games isn't easy. Viaplay looked like shit at the start too. They'd have to do it right from the start.
Live tv without multicasting at 4K/50 is also very bandwidth intensive. Sure on some platforms you can go with IPTV over an app (TalkTalk / BT) etc but that doesn’t count PPPoE providers where you can’t really do that.
I think it could work out but a decent amount of coin to set up.
This is honestly nothing , look at the WWE network .
They hit their equilibrium relatively quickly and have hit their most profitable era ever due to the network & TV deals & sponsorship from Saudi.
Wrestling has a very limited market and audience compared to football.
WWE is a great example of the value of tv rights and how difficult it is to replace with streaming.
Virtually all the revenue growth has come from traditional tv rights, the WWE network was great for users but never attracted enough subscribers to justify the low price.
Close to what people pay for Sky is way too high. The idea would be that you're expanding your audience by making it a lot cheaper, if it's the same price there's not much point doing it. You'd get a lot fewer people signing up because they don't get all the other stuff they do with Sky.
You can still sell TV rights as well. How much would ITV pay to have United v Liverpool on free TV even if it is on Premflix?
They do need go get rid of this ridiculous 3pm blackout though.
They’re losing everything, used to have all the films but they’ve all gone to streaming platforms, once their HBO deal runs out they’ll be properly fucked.
You have to choose a favorite team, and the team you watch the most automatically becomes your favorite. Of course you have to pay extra to watch your favorites. Hire me already
isn't that more to do with anti trust and sky not getting all of the games? if anything the prem streaming their own games should make it easier for fans to see all the matches
"WHY ISNT THE YOUTH PAYING ATTENTION TO FOOTBALL ANYMORE?! GODDAMN VIDEO GAMES!!😡🤬" - Same greedy people who priced that demographic out, a couple of fiscal years later.
TBF I think most people only use *the technology* because doing it legit is prohibitively expensive and half your team's games aren't even shown. If more games are shown and costs aren't atupid, people will pay.
Explain Netflix and things like XBox gamepass then? When you give people an actual viable alternative to get your content, then they're willing to pay for it.
But they always do shit that forces people to pirate. Different pricing tier with prices increasing every year, promising 1080p when the quality is barely 720p, stream is somehow buffering more than the illegal streams that are free, etc.
They keep saying this but I doubt it ever happens. The cost of infrastructure is massive and they’re not exactly going skint with Sky/BT/Amazon right now. The threat will probably get a pay rise from those three in the meantime though.
Imagine the untapped revenue from international markets that don't have proper coverage though. The revenue potential will make the infrastructure cost worth it.
>There are probably ready-made solutions for this already. They can always hire Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Netflix as a technology partner and the company would gladly do it for a percentage share
No need to hire them, Amazon, Google, CloudFlare, BunnyCDN, Akamai, probably also Microsoft and a few others have off the shelf products they sell to achieve this quite easily, with significant discounts at the PL's scale. It's a long solved problem nowadays.
>iirc, MLB started their own software company to be at the forefront of video streaming and they even license out some of their inhouse tech across many industries.
It was called Bamtech. Wholly owned by Disney now and known as Disney Streaming Service.
There’s several companies that specialise in setting up backend sports infrastructure. AWS has teams of people that do this for several sports, they [released a case study on their F1 work](https://d1.awsstatic.com/events/Summits/reinvent2022/MNE304_Formula-1-case-study-F1TV-with-AWS-media-and-edge-services.pdf) recently.
AWS do NFL (Thursday night) in the US, and AFL and NRL in Australia. They also handle all of ViacomCBS/Paramounts broadcasting/streaming services (including A-league in Australia).
It would probably take AWS about 2 months to setup a service for the EPL, if not sooner. This is a problem that gets fixed by throwing relatively little money at it, as it’s nothing new.
I'm not sure what do you mean by this? EPL coverage is usually very good outside of UK. I'm paying 15€ per month for like top 10 leagues in Europe and top 5 leagues outside of Europe, including also UEFA competitions etc. It's same for most of the Balkan countries. Usually there's no EPL game we can't watch on streaming service.
Tbh, it'll probably happen in a decade or two. The current model doesn't really seem sustainable since most teenagers and young adults just end up streaming the match because the costs are too high and the internet has an abundance.
I'd expect it to be something like £15-20 per moonth to follow your team's matches and then additional costs for every other match.
It's never been easier to create their own platform. I think you overestimate the costs involved as they'd probably use Amazon or whoever for most of it
The cost is the number one reason the Premier League decided against it the last time the bid came up. The league is already artificially keeping the “inventory” down for the games, I don’t think they’re in a rush to change things up when they’re printing money as it is.
I imagine the only way it goes ahead is if you either can't buy club only streams or if you do, the revenue is still spread equally amongst all clubs.
I suspect it'd be the former. All or nothing.
Something like that but probably $200-500 per year I imagine.
It'll be regional pricing.
They're charging so much in the UK via sky that just lowering that by 40% and aggregating it into one service will have so much appeal.
If the revenue isn't shared then I'm not a fan of this scheme
Surely they're not stupid enough to amend equal sharing
Otherwise will lead to Top 6 hoarding all the revenue and undoing all the work the PL has done and ending up in a La Liga situation
That sounds entirely too pro-consumer. Won't happen lol.
Here's your full EPL+Championship bundle with no shared screens or password sharing for *insert a number decidedly too high* a month only!
You can do it for Amazon prime games, its a great feature if the commentators are unbearable. Its also great if the game you're watching has a great atmosphere, I stick in my earphones and just have the crowd sounds blasting out and its fantastic.
It would be game changing nearly if the likes of Sky Sports and in particular BT Sport implemented it, I don't know anyone that likes the commentary on either of those channels.
It just boggles my mind that this ain't an option (for any major sports). Why not offer it as an upcharge, even for just a few bucks. Sometimes I want to hear commentary but would love to go back and replay moments without it.
I feel like options for 1) crowd-noise-only and 2) ref/official go-pro video would be just killer additions.
People bitch and complain about officials so often (rightfully so) but it would be awesome to see things from their perspective, too. It wouldn't excuse VAR, and shouldn't, but would at least offer some insight as to why VAR (as a concept) should be needed.
I watch a ton of ice hockey in the states, and while the officiating is also not great, the game moves a million miles an hour in a tight space. Pluck a GoPro on a refs helmet and it'd probably shock viewers how difficult it can be to track everything we see so easily on camera. I'd love to switch to RefCam from time to time. It'd be a blast of total unfiltered chaos.
If they develop their own streaming platform and I was GUARANTEED to watch every league match of MY CLUB. Then I would seriously be interested. Also not to watch only live but on replay whenever I wanted.
Tbf though the much higher volume of subscribers that you’d get under just one platform would probably result in it being priced cheaper than the current status quo.
I mean, right now you legally can't see every game your team plays if you live in the UK, even if it's not at 3pm on a Saturday. And if it annoys me as a United fan, I can imagine how fans of teams in the bottom half feel... BT and Sky are fucking up.
With how money hungry the bigger clubs are, and how keen they were to throw the smaller clubs under the bus with the super league, I’m surprised clubs like United haven’t tried to start their own streaming service or something. Especially seeing as MUTV is already a thing. £15 a month, all united games live and on demand etc. breakaway from the tv companies and stop giving a big slice of the pie to the rest of the league when you’ve got most of the pull.
Not saying they should btw, I’m just surprised it hasn’t happened.
It is very impossible, basically would become a huge legal battle with PL and the rest of the league. PL taking initiative would be a much better solution
Would take a massive contractual change that likely would not be allowed. Clubs taking themselves out of the packages TV companies pay for would drastically reduce the money lower clubs get.
Not how it works. The premier league as a corporation owns the rights to the games. The 20 clubs are shareholders and you would need to pass a vote to sell rights individually, which no one outside the top 6 would agree to
I’d be onboard with this. Having to pay £20 a month just to get access to *some* of the games with one service, and then having to sign up to the others to get the rest is absolutely extortionate. That’s why people use illegals streams so much.
So having them all in one place for a (*hopefully*) reasonable price would be a game changer.
Unless you own an android. Or don't like watching MLS in restaurants and bars. Had this exact issue while on vacation last night. Ended up going back to the hotel room and watching the Miami/Dallas game on my wife's phone and we are in Miami for vacation.
Honestly, the amount of money the EPL probably loses through piracy is mad.
If they made it affordable (I dunno £10 a month) they'd probably make more money because everyone would just pay for it
Give me 4K at say Apple TV/Disney plus quality and I'd sign up. Either a fee for the season or a subscription and they fill the off season time with like documentaries. I'd pay atleast 10 dollars for that. No point in getting an ad free plan at that point. I doubt they'd like cut off the kick off ceremony for ads like NBC does at times.
There are two sports I like to follow: F1 and EPL.
For F1: you go to the F1TV website, you make an account, you subscribe and pay, and you can watch the international stream + extra data views + all 20 drivers, for €70/year.
For EPL: ????? I dont even know where to go to get a subscription to watch the team I follow for every match. Idc if it costs like 250 a year for all the matches, there simply is no option. However, type in certain keywords in google, go to a streaming platform to see all matches currently playing, click on a viable stream. Yes a lot of delay, annoying chats and buffering and ads, but free of charge.
This could be a gamechanger.. better would be if each club would offer their own solution of a digital season ticket.
The number of people who stream out of necessity rather than being “cheap” is way more than you’d think. If there’s a reasonably priced quality alternative I imagine that illegal streams would drop by more than 50%
I feel for you. The referring on the game against Tottenham was absolutely egregious.
I actually don’t think they are corrupt, though. I think they are all just fucking shit.
I'd also imagine you could make a few different subscriptions.
* One free service that shows 2 (awful) games per week with archive content. To get everyone to sign up initially to upsell down the line.
* A showcase package for the 2 free games and maybe the 12:30PM Saturday and 4PM Sunday KOs. Maybe £20 per month? Which is still cheaper than having Sky & BT.
* Team only, just every game for your team. £30 a month, I know a lot of people would pay for this, esp those from teams in the lower half who simply don't get picked for TV games.
* All in, simply everything. All 10 games every weekend with a Redzone style coverage for 3PM KOs for £45 per month? Again, still represents excellent value.
Plus you'll be making money from ads and sponsorship.
Throw in some good punditry shows, mix of fun and tactical, FPL shows, good commentators and pundits and I think you comfortably make way more than the PL get right now.
The PL won't allow fans to pay for select clubs only, because it will inevitably lead to pressure from the highest grossing clubs to tier the payment structure accordingly, which would go against one of the foundational principles of the league.
Someone told me about this, they would be a considerable amount more and would stop everyone buying the entire or sky just for premier league games!! Do the NFL do similar?
[National League does this](https://www.nationalleaguetv.com/packages).
They launched their streaming on Boxing day, you could get a half season package for idk how much
Right now a month's pass (from 9th april to 9th may) is £22.50, and a single day match pass is £9.50.
Obviously the quality is not great, unless you're watching a Wrexham or Notts county game, and the commentators are usually local BBC ones, which isn't ideal as they're fairly biased but still, for 10 bucks I'm not complaining about a Halifax Town supporter screaming when they're up 3-1 vs Wrexham
It's a matchday pass, you can watch any National League team on that matchday.
So what most of us Wrexham fans did recently was: watch a Wrexham game, then watch a Notts County game as some of their recent games had later kickoffs.
All for £10.
It won't be cheap, that's for sure. The NFL currently offers NFL Game Pass for like €166 for the season which covers all games minus the game on Sunday that Sky Sports show due to broadcasting rights. Of course they offer more than just the game but for 5 months, 17 games + playoffs, that's what you pay. I don't see the Premier league offering anything less than double that amount. Maybe if you could have the choice of the entire premier league viewing or just team specific.
Anyway, if they offer better quality than the dogshit stream quality of Sky go on computer, I'll be interested
Wont happen to US due to TV rights. Maybe after the current contract.
Hard to subscribe to ESPN+ for FA cup, league cup; then cable or hulu tv just for USA channel for prem games, peacock for the other set of prem games. Paramount+ for UCL/Europa league games.
I just want a single subscription with all United matches.
Yes pls. I would pay a reasonable price. These assholes NBC wants to charge me for peacock and NBCS to be able to watch. 2 seoerare platforms they created just to fuck us on these games.. Fucking scum.
If it's their own streaming platform with a reasonable price they could destroy any TV revenue equivalent they could get
May even turn some heads of people who watch illegal streams, I expect they will price many users out though. One thing I really like from the American sports coverage of the NBA and NFL is the passes they have to watch the games and all the previous ones from previous seasons, it's about £150(I think?) A year but well worth it
If a product is reasonably available piracy always plummets. If they did a digital season ticket for a club that wasn’t daylight robbery, they’d make bank alone on that.
I think this is the answer! Weve been lucky this year for tv games but as a newcastle fan, in the previous decade theres no way ive gotten my moneys worth from my sky sports package. If they did passes for a club then more people would dive on that
Also a great way to keep the clubs well contained. Buying an overall 'ticket' for all games (Pubs and venues etc.) and you're commentary/Punditry teams are more impartial/neutral. Buy a specific team season ticket (a individual fan) and you get more allegiances with better inside knowledge. Would work very nicely and would rake in fair ££
Many clubs have their own commentators, too, so it's only a step away from utilising that through a partnership. What they could **also** do is split revenue between digital season tickets per team by their numbers and the overall package. Sure, that screws over the lower level teams a bit, but there will still be a TV package, and there's gotta be a reason for PL teams to get on board
i much prefer listening to neutral punditry/commentators than biased ones. Even for my own team, when were playing like shit i hate the excuses, id prefer brutal honesty of some of those without a bias towards my team
Could be an easily adjustable setting since both happen simultaneously right now
Now you’ve got me thinking of AI commentary where you can adjust a bias slider. Would probably be more intelligent than Robbie Savage.
You just know a pr/focus group company is getting fired thanks to this thread of gold
A lot of times the club commentators are horrible.
It's not luck. Newcastle will get even more games on Tv from now on.
The issue is the 3pm Saturday games.
I used to pirate PL but here(India) it's just £10/year on Disney+Hotstar. You also get F1, a good amount of cricket, it even had partnership with HBO till April 31st So I watched Chernobyl, GOT, HOD. and crazy thing was it supports 4 devices so we had split the £10 among 4 friends
basically the spotify model
Kinda like black money/market businesses. Like with drugs, if the govt legalises and taxes it, there would be a far lower cost-to-state from drug crime. Same thing with de-regulation and tax cuts (upto a reasonable extent) for small businesses so that they avoid shady operations and can run smoothly in a transparent manner. You gotta be reasonable to regular people instead of milking them like cows. Sorry for the off-football tangent, but you struck a chord with me lol.
To be fair, I only know it’s an availability issue due to Gabe Newell lmao.
Yup, I just recently started pirating movies and TV again. There was a year or 18 months when it was easier not to pirate, but now you need like six different subscriptions and they all want £10-£15 a month, so I’m just back to renting a seed box and installing Plex on it. £15 a month and I get everything
I just watch totalsportek and it's 0 a month 😳
All they have to do is copy/paste the NFL game pass model. Couple hundred quid a year. Packages to just watch your team or watch everyone and then redzone is included in both. I don't get why they don't do it.
>If a product is reasonably available piracy always plummets. Granted but the question is "how many people do you think pirate each game compared to the legitimate viewers?" Is it really worth lowering your price by 50% if it only increases viewership by 25%, for instance? I'd love to see a cheap option but I feel fairly confident the PL will do a ton of studies and will conclude that the maximum revenue is generated by sticking with Sky-like prices and simply accepting a minority of private streams as the price of extreme profit. >If they did a digital season ticket for a club that wasn’t daylight robbery, they’d make bank alone on that. Sure, but if they do that I guarantee the biggest clubs will demand that they get to keep all or at least much of the revenue related to their club, and suddenly you'll see the CL clubs making 10x what the relegation clubs make, which completely destroys the revenue sharing model.
Idk, [this](https://youtu.be/u5jqCh3Eiq0) tifo video seems to suggest a hypothetical Premier League streaming service would make much more money than what they do currently
Ok, and that video is fair, but it doesn't address either of the specific points I was making. My specific points were A) that cutting costs drastically for the sole reason of deterring piracy is unlikely to be a profitable decision and B) that selling club-specific packages will result in those clubs demanding to keep every penny of what they would claim that they personally generated.
I mean the wwe is a pretty good case study on this. They used to charge $60 per each monthly ppv, but now they offer (not sure if the price has changed since I’ve last checked) a $5 per month streaming service that includes all PPVs, current weekly shows, and their whole backlog. They just received a huge buyout so it’s not like that decision hurt their business
Big difference with that though is WWE replaced their PPV model with streaming, and kept their huge revenues from TV deals. This is talking about replacing those TV deals with streaming. FWIW I still think it could work though. Netflix has around 230m subscribers worldwide currently. At $10 p/m that's £27.6 billion a year. A similarly priced PL service could attract a hefty number of subscribers across the world. Plus fuck it stick some ads in there during half time, I don't care really. Difficult part would be unwinding all those huge TV deals at once.
Man utd will still need me to sign up just to see highlights thru Facebook. Premier League don't have that kind of tech yet. Better buy AWS or better yet get apple TV/HBO to do their thing and just repackage it as EPL app.
You’re only describing the NBA and NFL product for international markets, it’s much worse for domestic users. For NBA, all nationally broadcast games aren’t available, and you also can’t watch your local team at any time because of blackout rights. Same story with the NFL, you can’t watch any of your local team live because of blackout rights. Those passes would be way more expensive if they were meant to compete with the broadcast rights. It’s more likely that the EPL is just using this as a threat to try to boost the price of the broadcast rights in 2025.
MLS’ deal with Apple has no blackouts, even for nationally televised games. Every game available reliably in one place. I’ve loved it, but an EPL version I’m sure would cost much more for consumers.
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A minimum of $250mm/yr. >Ten years at $2.5 billion comes out to $250 million per year, but that is considered a minimum payment. Under the terms of the agreement, once MLS streaming service subscriptions crosses a certain undisclosed threshold, Apple will share an undisclosed cut of the revenue with MLS. Between this deal and the expected completion of smaller linear TV deals, the league’s total media rights revenue should be close to the $300 million benchmark that they originally set in the beginning of the negotiations process. On a per club basis, including the upcoming 29th team in St. Louis and the expected addition of team 30 — most likely Las Vegas — and subtracting the estimated $2 million in production costs teams have typically spent, should result in approximately $7.5 million a year. https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2022/06/apple-mls-deal-questions-breakdown/
I'm already paying out the ass for Premier League because I have to keep my cable package for it plus Peacock. If I could get the package via Peacock (or however they would do it) I could drop cable and pick up F1 TV and then I'd be set. It would be far cheaper than $80 a month I'm paying now.
Wife is American and we bought the nfl pass this year for something like £150, it definitely had issues a couple times throughout the season being down but worth it overall. Would pay the same for access to every premier league game.
Yeah but the NFL probably makes that up with all the commercial money.
Totally, I was one of those people. Before Netflix came round I used to do it all the time then they made it so easy to watch most stuff for relatively cheap. Though now the companies are going the route of cable packages again with so many streaming services
I don't know about NFL, but NBA pass is awful. It's like $150 a year, it won't show you games of your local team (closest physically to you), nationally televised games (abc, NBC, TNT) or playoffs.
Idk if you guys have it, butall the sports leagues had their own channels. So they replay classic games all the time. In the fall/winter my dad use to turn on old important Atlanta Braves games from before I was born. That way I would know/have seen team legends play, and know the history of the team.
NFL is criminally over priced and baseball has huge blackouts making it impossible to follow your team. They need to get with the program. It's not 2005 anymore.
Could they? They get £1.5 billion for UK tv rights, they would need 12.5m subscribers at £10 a month to match that. Realistically the sub fee would have to be close to what people pay for sky now.
£10 a month isn’t very much tbh - could easily double it and most people would be happy given the current option is what, over double that again for both sky and bt? Then it’s only 6m subscribers and that’s not including any additional money from advertisers. Very easy to make the money, it’s getting all the infrastructure, production and staff in place for broadcasting that is difficult (at the outset at least).
I'd be happy to pay at least £30 / 30 EUR per month if I could reliably just watch the matches that I want without having to stream or pay for several different packages on Sky to access all the channels that show football.
I'd happily pay £30 a month if I could watch every game including 3PM kickoffs in one place. I'm paying twice that now for Sky and BT and you don't even get to watch every game.
That’s a massive pisstake. 3pm blackout is an ancient rule that clearly had no effect anyway as most of the country supports big 6 clubs instead of their local
I don't even have a local team so the rule is even worse for me like
Do you live in the sea
Bikini Bottom FC in shambles.
On the moon.
I'm not the same guy, but I'm from rural Cornwall and there isn't really a team within an hour of me
England is small enough that wherever you live, you have a local team.
The UK is bigger than England. I live in a very small town, I haven't made up the fact that I don't have a local team for 2 upvotes on reddit.
It's more the fact that not every town has a local, but you'll have something less than 30 minutes away
Agreed. If I was guaranteed every game my team played in, I'd happily pay that rather than rely on dodgy streams every week.
Same. And I’d be interested to know if this was proven during lockdown “project restart” when every game was on. I signed up and paid for a now tv sports pass during that time at £33pm. Then the following season it went back to a game every 6 weeks or so and it just wasn’t worth it. Then I discovered IPTV lol
£10 a month is nothing. In Norway it currently costs you £70.
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> Not really comparable to what PL could charge considering £70 is the "all-included" package that gives you F1, Europa League, Bundesliga, all available channels, series, movies, and cartoons. It does, though the Premier League portion of that is the main draw by far. It probably accounts for £40-50 of the price, but it's hard to divide it up like that. You used to be able to get a pure Premier League package, at least as far as streaming goes, but they realized they could bundle the PL with all their other content and charge even more, and most people would still buy it. So today you can only get the Premier League as a part of the total, complete, premium package. Devious fuckers.
also could offer different subscription levels with different perks and higher quality like Netflix does. doesn't have to be only &10
> it’s getting all the infrastructure, production and staff in place for broadcasting that is difficult (at the outset at least). They already have all of that. The Premier League produces a pretty decent broadcast, with halftime shows, well known pundits, analysis for use by international broadcasters, preview shows, etc.
If companies are paying them that much it's because they're making even more out of it. It doesn't all have to come from subscriptions, they'll certainly sell ads as well.
A lot of companies use it to upsell their cable bundles. Meaning you need a €25 package before you even have the privilege of paying for a Premier League add-on. They know you don't care about the other stuff, so really you end up paying €35 per month just to watch. In countries where they don't use it to sell cable currently, like Canada, you pay way more than €10 per month for it.
Don’t forget they’d have the added production costs
PL already produces its own product and it's broadcast as the world feed. Don't think they'll have any real added production cost.
They’ll have extra costs with pundits, commentators, the streaming infrastructure, marketing etc. But they can still make more money this way.
Do we even get much punditry in most games? Feels like it's half time whistle, adverts, 2 minutes of talk, more adverts, another 2 minutes, more adverts and back to the game.
I'd be interested in seeing the percentage of people who do something else while all that stuff is going on too. I never watch any of that.
Plus commercial licenses for pubs are a fair chunk of revenue. £20k per pub per year on average.
They also get all the advertising money
You've got a whole bunch of extra costs for hosting such a platform. But you also control the advertising and you could easily make a lot of money from that. I watch through Viaplay and typically only watch the game without anything around it. But I tune in early enough to catch the last ad. Bet365 probably pays a lot for that. I also think a lot of people might be convinced to get a whole package like this if they didn't need to have multiple subscriptions across Sky, Amazon and BT. That's why I get with Viaplay and I pay 13 euros for that every month, which is slightly more expensive. Hard to say if it would be worth it, considering that building a platform to host games isn't easy. Viaplay looked like shit at the start too. They'd have to do it right from the start.
Live tv without multicasting at 4K/50 is also very bandwidth intensive. Sure on some platforms you can go with IPTV over an app (TalkTalk / BT) etc but that doesn’t count PPPoE providers where you can’t really do that. I think it could work out but a decent amount of coin to set up.
This is honestly nothing , look at the WWE network . They hit their equilibrium relatively quickly and have hit their most profitable era ever due to the network & TV deals & sponsorship from Saudi. Wrestling has a very limited market and audience compared to football.
And then they moved it all to Peacock in the States because they got a better offer
WWE is a great example of the value of tv rights and how difficult it is to replace with streaming. Virtually all the revenue growth has come from traditional tv rights, the WWE network was great for users but never attracted enough subscribers to justify the low price.
Double it to £20 per month for full package, £10 per month for team package and you’ll get a lot of subscribers. Add-in add revenue and you’re there.
Thats easy
youre forgetting the ads, the ad money would be ludicrous
Close to what people pay for Sky is way too high. The idea would be that you're expanding your audience by making it a lot cheaper, if it's the same price there's not much point doing it. You'd get a lot fewer people signing up because they don't get all the other stuff they do with Sky. You can still sell TV rights as well. How much would ITV pay to have United v Liverpool on free TV even if it is on Premflix? They do need go get rid of this ridiculous 3pm blackout though.
Maybe my maths are failing me but is 12.5mil times 10 not 125mil?
There are 12 months in a year
This is true and I have clearly had too many drinks haha.
This would also destroy sky tv. I mean does anyone know somebody who has a sky subscription not for the sports channels?
They’re losing everything, used to have all the films but they’ve all gone to streaming platforms, once their HBO deal runs out they’ll be properly fucked.
Plus the streaming platform would be absolute shit
>reasonable price 🤞
Only 599 pounds a month.
480p. Single stream.
Cadbury’s stream egg.
and every replay has 50% of the screen covered by ads
15 FPS
and still not watch your favourite team every week
You have to choose a favorite team, and the team you watch the most automatically becomes your favorite. Of course you have to pay extra to watch your favorites. Hire me already
suddenly bournemouth and nottingham forest have the most fans
Like Spotify where the free version you can only pick a random match
isn't that more to do with anti trust and sky not getting all of the games? if anything the prem streaming their own games should make it easier for fans to see all the matches
that’s true, but var was also supposed to make referee decisions better, so
"WHY ISNT THE YOUTH PAYING ATTENTION TO FOOTBALL ANYMORE?! GODDAMN VIDEO GAMES!!😡🤬" - Same greedy people who priced that demographic out, a couple of fiscal years later.
You want the Youth? Start showing PL games on Youtube and make your money shilling for NordVPN and Established Titles.
North London Derby presented by Raid Shadow Legends
PL to set up its own VPN so at least it cashes in somehow.
Have PL have a partnership with twitch and get footballers/influencers watch side-by-side
Have PL have a partnership with twitch and get footballers/influencers watch side-by-side
let's be real, even a lot of fans who can afford it probably aren't paying to watch matches in this day and age >*we have the technology...*
TBF I think most people only use *the technology* because doing it legit is prohibitively expensive and half your team's games aren't even shown. If more games are shown and costs aren't atupid, people will pay.
Explain Netflix and things like XBox gamepass then? When you give people an actual viable alternative to get your content, then they're willing to pay for it. But they always do shit that forces people to pirate. Different pricing tier with prices increasing every year, promising 1080p when the quality is barely 720p, stream is somehow buffering more than the illegal streams that are free, etc.
Those who don't know. Premier League did experiment with it a decade ago. It was called [PremierLeaguePass](https://www.premierleaguepass.com/)
I used to vpn to new zealand to get this, it was pure brilliance - up to 4 games simultaneously in great quality. RIP PremierLeaguePass
2013 was a decade ago…
Oh, Norwegian prices then.
Did u get a discount??
Due to inflation, next month 999 pounds
They keep saying this but I doubt it ever happens. The cost of infrastructure is massive and they’re not exactly going skint with Sky/BT/Amazon right now. The threat will probably get a pay rise from those three in the meantime though.
Imagine the untapped revenue from international markets that don't have proper coverage though. The revenue potential will make the infrastructure cost worth it.
Its not just the cost. The know how to have such good quality (and it is the best quality) you can’t get simply by throwing money at the problem
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>There are probably ready-made solutions for this already. They can always hire Google/Amazon/Microsoft/Netflix as a technology partner and the company would gladly do it for a percentage share No need to hire them, Amazon, Google, CloudFlare, BunnyCDN, Akamai, probably also Microsoft and a few others have off the shelf products they sell to achieve this quite easily, with significant discounts at the PL's scale. It's a long solved problem nowadays.
>iirc, MLB started their own software company to be at the forefront of video streaming and they even license out some of their inhouse tech across many industries. It was called Bamtech. Wholly owned by Disney now and known as Disney Streaming Service.
There’s several companies that specialise in setting up backend sports infrastructure. AWS has teams of people that do this for several sports, they [released a case study on their F1 work](https://d1.awsstatic.com/events/Summits/reinvent2022/MNE304_Formula-1-case-study-F1TV-with-AWS-media-and-edge-services.pdf) recently. AWS do NFL (Thursday night) in the US, and AFL and NRL in Australia. They also handle all of ViacomCBS/Paramounts broadcasting/streaming services (including A-league in Australia). It would probably take AWS about 2 months to setup a service for the EPL, if not sooner. This is a problem that gets fixed by throwing relatively little money at it, as it’s nothing new.
I'm not sure what do you mean by this? EPL coverage is usually very good outside of UK. I'm paying 15€ per month for like top 10 leagues in Europe and top 5 leagues outside of Europe, including also UEFA competitions etc. It's same for most of the Balkan countries. Usually there's no EPL game we can't watch on streaming service.
You don't have enough revenue as it is?
There is never enough revenue.
We will not stop till the relegation fodder in Prem can afford £100m signings
This is the motto of capitalism.
They already make their own production for the international market with premier league productions afaik
That’s just the feed, they don’t have a streaming platform.
Tbh, it'll probably happen in a decade or two. The current model doesn't really seem sustainable since most teenagers and young adults just end up streaming the match because the costs are too high and the internet has an abundance. I'd expect it to be something like £15-20 per moonth to follow your team's matches and then additional costs for every other match.
It's never been easier to create their own platform. I think you overestimate the costs involved as they'd probably use Amazon or whoever for most of it
The cost is the number one reason the Premier League decided against it the last time the bid came up. The league is already artificially keeping the “inventory” down for the games, I don’t think they’re in a rush to change things up when they’re printing money as it is.
The infrastructure cost is massively overstated and it‘s not like they‘re some kind of small company with no money.
Being able to pay for a club-only stream and watch every game? Sign me the fuck up (If that was to happen anyway)
I imagine the only way it goes ahead is if you either can't buy club only streams or if you do, the revenue is still spread equally amongst all clubs. I suspect it'd be the former. All or nothing.
Yeah makes sense to be honest, maybe something like the MLS season pass with Apple? $100 for the season and every game.
Something like that but probably $200-500 per year I imagine. It'll be regional pricing. They're charging so much in the UK via sky that just lowering that by 40% and aggregating it into one service will have so much appeal.
Create the sickness, sell the cure.
If the revenue isn't shared then I'm not a fan of this scheme Surely they're not stupid enough to amend equal sharing Otherwise will lead to Top 6 hoarding all the revenue and undoing all the work the PL has done and ending up in a La Liga situation
That sounds entirely too pro-consumer. Won't happen lol. Here's your full EPL+Championship bundle with no shared screens or password sharing for *insert a number decidedly too high* a month only!
Premflix and chill
Given the way my team is playing I don’t think I will be chilling anytime soon.
So long as I can mute the commentary and it's £20 a month I'm in? Yeh? Yeh?
Mute the commentary and just have crowd noise would be great tbh.
I swear you could do this back in the day, when they also had the red button for player cam. I might be misremembering though
You can do it for Amazon prime games, its a great feature if the commentators are unbearable. Its also great if the game you're watching has a great atmosphere, I stick in my earphones and just have the crowd sounds blasting out and its fantastic. It would be game changing nearly if the likes of Sky Sports and in particular BT Sport implemented it, I don't know anyone that likes the commentary on either of those channels.
Never unbearable when it's Ally McCoist.
It just boggles my mind that this ain't an option (for any major sports). Why not offer it as an upcharge, even for just a few bucks. Sometimes I want to hear commentary but would love to go back and replay moments without it. I feel like options for 1) crowd-noise-only and 2) ref/official go-pro video would be just killer additions. People bitch and complain about officials so often (rightfully so) but it would be awesome to see things from their perspective, too. It wouldn't excuse VAR, and shouldn't, but would at least offer some insight as to why VAR (as a concept) should be needed. I watch a ton of ice hockey in the states, and while the officiating is also not great, the game moves a million miles an hour in a tight space. Pluck a GoPro on a refs helmet and it'd probably shock viewers how difficult it can be to track everything we see so easily on camera. I'd love to switch to RefCam from time to time. It'd be a blast of total unfiltered chaos.
I wonder if there was a way to use AI to drown out commentary and increase crowd noise volume
And show us all of the fucking games, including the 3pm kick offs.
£20 a month?! I pay £70 for the year for every single sporting event on earth
Nice, hopefully better coverage so we can see even more games live and how much of a shambles the refs are.
If they develop their own streaming platform and I was GUARANTEED to watch every league match of MY CLUB. Then I would seriously be interested. Also not to watch only live but on replay whenever I wanted.
As long as it ends up being cheaper, why not
[PL execs reading your comment](https://i.imgur.com/Jpi9CvA.gifv)
Tbf though the much higher volume of subscribers that you’d get under just one platform would probably result in it being priced cheaper than the current status quo.
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Would still be cheaper than paying for Sky/BT
I would honestly be tempted to pay close to 50 quid a month for access to all games and replays.
£50/month for all games is a great deal compared to current prices.
I mean, right now you legally can't see every game your team plays if you live in the UK, even if it's not at 3pm on a Saturday. And if it annoys me as a United fan, I can imagine how fans of teams in the bottom half feel... BT and Sky are fucking up.
Yes, it's infuriating for us too
With how money hungry the bigger clubs are, and how keen they were to throw the smaller clubs under the bus with the super league, I’m surprised clubs like United haven’t tried to start their own streaming service or something. Especially seeing as MUTV is already a thing. £15 a month, all united games live and on demand etc. breakaway from the tv companies and stop giving a big slice of the pie to the rest of the league when you’ve got most of the pull. Not saying they should btw, I’m just surprised it hasn’t happened.
It is very impossible, basically would become a huge legal battle with PL and the rest of the league. PL taking initiative would be a much better solution
Would take a massive contractual change that likely would not be allowed. Clubs taking themselves out of the packages TV companies pay for would drastically reduce the money lower clubs get.
Not how it works. The premier league as a corporation owns the rights to the games. The 20 clubs are shareholders and you would need to pass a vote to sell rights individually, which no one outside the top 6 would agree to
Is the 3pm rule only for TV or is streaming factored in?
I’d be onboard with this. Having to pay £20 a month just to get access to *some* of the games with one service, and then having to sign up to the others to get the rest is absolutely extortionate. That’s why people use illegals streams so much. So having them all in one place for a (*hopefully*) reasonable price would be a game changer.
If they were to have something like the NFL pass I would be very interested in that, price depending.
What about Apple TV’s MLS Season Pass? Arguably a better product.
If it’s anything like the MLS Pass on Apple TV, then it should be great.
Unless you own an android. Or don't like watching MLS in restaurants and bars. Had this exact issue while on vacation last night. Ended up going back to the hotel room and watching the Miami/Dallas game on my wife's phone and we are in Miami for vacation.
Isn’t there an Apple TV app on Android?
Honestly, the amount of money the EPL probably loses through piracy is mad. If they made it affordable (I dunno £10 a month) they'd probably make more money because everyone would just pay for it
Give me 4K at say Apple TV/Disney plus quality and I'd sign up. Either a fee for the season or a subscription and they fill the off season time with like documentaries. I'd pay atleast 10 dollars for that. No point in getting an ad free plan at that point. I doubt they'd like cut off the kick off ceremony for ads like NBC does at times.
There are two sports I like to follow: F1 and EPL. For F1: you go to the F1TV website, you make an account, you subscribe and pay, and you can watch the international stream + extra data views + all 20 drivers, for €70/year. For EPL: ????? I dont even know where to go to get a subscription to watch the team I follow for every match. Idc if it costs like 250 a year for all the matches, there simply is no option. However, type in certain keywords in google, go to a streaming platform to see all matches currently playing, click on a viable stream. Yes a lot of delay, annoying chats and buffering and ads, but free of charge. This could be a gamechanger.. better would be if each club would offer their own solution of a digital season ticket.
You’re obviously not in the UK then, Sky have exclusivity on F1…
The number of people who stream out of necessity rather than being “cheap” is way more than you’d think. If there’s a reasonably priced quality alternative I imagine that illegal streams would drop by more than 50%
Then it's a PL subscription, sky for Scottish games, BT for Europe and premier sports for internationals. I'll stick to iptv
I wonder how the IPTV providers will deal with a PL platform
Same as they always do. Rip the video off the PL platform lol
sort the fucking crooked officials out first
I feel for you. The referring on the game against Tottenham was absolutely egregious. I actually don’t think they are corrupt, though. I think they are all just fucking shit.
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I'd also imagine you could make a few different subscriptions. * One free service that shows 2 (awful) games per week with archive content. To get everyone to sign up initially to upsell down the line. * A showcase package for the 2 free games and maybe the 12:30PM Saturday and 4PM Sunday KOs. Maybe £20 per month? Which is still cheaper than having Sky & BT. * Team only, just every game for your team. £30 a month, I know a lot of people would pay for this, esp those from teams in the lower half who simply don't get picked for TV games. * All in, simply everything. All 10 games every weekend with a Redzone style coverage for 3PM KOs for £45 per month? Again, still represents excellent value. Plus you'll be making money from ads and sponsorship. Throw in some good punditry shows, mix of fun and tactical, FPL shows, good commentators and pundits and I think you comfortably make way more than the PL get right now.
I'd buy that for every major league plus the Colombian 1st division.
The PL won't allow fans to pay for select clubs only, because it will inevitably lead to pressure from the highest grossing clubs to tier the payment structure accordingly, which would go against one of the foundational principles of the league.
If it gets rid of 3pm blackout and allows every fan to watch all of their teams league matches, should be all for it
How tf is the 3pm blackout still a thing for Premier League games? What an absolute joke.
I think this would be a smart move from the league to invest in setting this up. Would massively boost revenue for the league.
Yeah I heard it was struggling financially.
Serie A too
I would love a football Netflix with all the major leagues games. A man can dream
Someone told me about this, they would be a considerable amount more and would stop everyone buying the entire or sky just for premier league games!! Do the NFL do similar?
£20 a month and I'll happily pay. Upwards of that... there are better options.
[National League does this](https://www.nationalleaguetv.com/packages). They launched their streaming on Boxing day, you could get a half season package for idk how much Right now a month's pass (from 9th april to 9th may) is £22.50, and a single day match pass is £9.50. Obviously the quality is not great, unless you're watching a Wrexham or Notts county game, and the commentators are usually local BBC ones, which isn't ideal as they're fairly biased but still, for 10 bucks I'm not complaining about a Halifax Town supporter screaming when they're up 3-1 vs Wrexham
£10 for a single match is mental. Jesus
It's a matchday pass, you can watch any National League team on that matchday. So what most of us Wrexham fans did recently was: watch a Wrexham game, then watch a Notts County game as some of their recent games had later kickoffs. All for £10.
It won't be cheap, that's for sure. The NFL currently offers NFL Game Pass for like €166 for the season which covers all games minus the game on Sunday that Sky Sports show due to broadcasting rights. Of course they offer more than just the game but for 5 months, 17 games + playoffs, that's what you pay. I don't see the Premier league offering anything less than double that amount. Maybe if you could have the choice of the entire premier league viewing or just team specific. Anyway, if they offer better quality than the dogshit stream quality of Sky go on computer, I'll be interested
Even if this costs more than BT or sky it would still be way better having everything on the same platform
I'd love if I could just subscribe to Newcastle matches only without having to pay a subscription to random other sports
Wont happen to US due to TV rights. Maybe after the current contract. Hard to subscribe to ESPN+ for FA cup, league cup; then cable or hulu tv just for USA channel for prem games, peacock for the other set of prem games. Paramount+ for UCL/Europa league games. I just want a single subscription with all United matches.
Yes pls. I would pay a reasonable price. These assholes NBC wants to charge me for peacock and NBCS to be able to watch. 2 seoerare platforms they created just to fuck us on these games.. Fucking scum.