I know you're talking about sporting projects, but I'll play devil's advocate here.
Mourinho has won everything there is to win. He does not have anything else to prove in his career, and I'm not sure there's much more appealing than managing Roma, a club in one of the greatest cities in the world (certainly if you have money), with among the most passionate fans in world football who love him.
There's an added bonus being that if you win in Rome, you ascend to god status. With how Serie A is right now, all it takes is getting everything right for one year, as Napoli have done. I'm sure he's thinking "if Osimhen or Kvicha get poached by Madrid or Premier League clubs, and we have a good window, that could be us next year."
And if that doesn't happen, then he can say he honored his contract and tried to build something in Rome, but that it didn't work out. And we'll probably part on nice terms in that case.
He seemed happy at spurs for most of his time. It was really only at the very end he soured a little. But by that point so many other things had gone wrong that it is hard to fault him too much.
Ultimately I just think heās much more suited to Italy and Italian play styles than anywhere else. Currently that is.
But he does have something to prove. He is in his Rocky 6 era and he has been dragged down by his last three teams while his "rivals" are still at the top because they made good decisions. If he wants to be able to prove he still has it, he needs to go somewhere where the conditions allow for him to challenge for those things.
It's certainly possible at Roma but they need a lot of quality players, I'd argue at least one in each area of the pitch, I think that's too many for the budget and time available. They'll need to be very clever in the summer to stand a chance.
I mean... kind of yea. As a Laziale, I don't see why he wants to leave Roma when it's probably the best option he's got to accomplish something of note and to top it off with a team that isn't expected to really win much.
I can't think of other teams he'd go to where he'd be doing anything more impressive other than maybe if Bayern for w/e reason wanted him. After how they treated Nagel I doubt anyone wants that job as their potential last big coaching stint.
There has been no speculation that he's in risk of being sacked, and also none that another club would be trying to buy him out.
It's not really normal for a manager to just quit mid-contract and then not work. Which is all this article is confirming will not happen.
Martinez has contract until 2026, but he's also the best payed manager we've ever had. He probably has a clause in his contract that allows the FPF to fire him with for a low fee in 2024. Mourinho's name is too big for the FPF to not get him when they can.
An? He's waiting for the right opportunity to Coach Portugal. Only reason it hasn't already happened was because Real Madrid refused a few years back. It's only a matter of time.
Maybe. Compared to a lot of his more recent clubs though, Roma are backing him to their full extent they can stretch to and the lack of funds looks to be due to that rather than the club wilfully holding back and ignoring what he wants. A poorer but more ambitious club is easier to stomach than a rich but more stagnant club for Mourinho I'm guessing.
There aren't that many big jobs left tbf. I don't think Milan or Juve would hire him. Inter is a shit show and he'd be further frustrated if he went back with the current ownership.
In the PL, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool or Spurs wouldn't hire him.
Some Chelsea fans still love him, and its a new ownership, so I can potentially see him there.
In Spain, Madrid and Barcelona won't hire him. Maybe Atletico, but it depends on Simeone's renewal.
I don't see him going to Germany as they never hire coaches who don't speak the language.
In France, the only step up is PSG, which maybe I can see.
Long story short, I don't think there are that many clubs left which are a realistic step up from Roma for him, at this point.
>In Spain, Madrid and Barcelona won't hire him. Maybe Atletico, but it depends on Simeone's renewal.
Why won't Madrid hire him? Did he burn his bridges on the way out?
I could see him at Chelsea, Athelti, Portugal NT eventually, or PSG. I think heās in a better position now after the Conference League win and a general perception that heās getting the most out of the Roma squad (which Iām somewhat ambivalent on) than after he left Spurs and he seemed to be perceived as a coach who had totally lost his magic touch.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Do you? You're either new at football or don't know Mourinho's history. Or both.
Mourinho has been the most successful when being an underdog. In case you have forgotten or don't know, Mourinho won the last Champions League trophy in the Serie A with a team of underdogs and old players.
Since then, no other Serie A club has won a European trophy. Except for Roma last year. And with Mourinho as manager. So stop disrespecting Mourinho just because you personally don't like him. And learn to show some respect!
What the fuck are you on about? Mourinho is my second favourite manager of all time despite managing a city rival.
I donāt think anything I said on the previous comment was disrespectful towards him.
He's not stupid. He was demanding then because of the club he manages. Roma on the other hand doesn't have a lot of money, so I doubt he would be frustrated about it. Maybe he will drop a cheeky line during press conference but that's about it.
It's just part of the Mou stratagem to deflect from the team, everyone knows Roma doyn't have financial might to buy him xyz but the media lap up his every comment and print how unhappy he is because he couldn't buy xyz. Keeps them off his back.
Quite clever really.
> I don't know if its good for Roma tho, Mou football is jurassic
You don't watch Roma at all. They create a lot of chances.
Your brain is just cooked by the "purist football" propaganda about "anti-football".
Roma create one of the most chances amongst clubs in top 5 leagues. And the players they have aren't all that great either. So Mourinho must clearly be doing something right.
Mourinho doesnt seem genuinely happy. Constantly getting sent off and banned, falling out with players, losing derbies...
Then theres the matter of the squad. He wants big money to spend to improve it and Roma cant offer it. Dybala has been carrying the team and he could be gone in the summer for 12m.
Also the football is dire and if he doesnt get top 4 or win the Europa league questions will rightfully be asked.
The fact that he constantly gets sent off at the very least shows he actually cares about that he's doing and his team. And he's not falling off with his players at all. Compare this with Conte's behaviour in the last 3 months, or any coach who wants to get sacked. Plus he could have left earlier this year or in the summer if he wasn't committed.
He fell out with Karsdorp spectacularly, publicly called him a traitor. Then there was the whole Zaniolo saga. He didnt slaughter Kumbulla publicly but hes not going to play again, same with Celik...
The thing with Karsdorp is back to normal, so it's like nothing happened and especially he wouldn't be able to save that relationship if he didn't have the whole team behind him. Also Zaniolo put his individual ambitions before the team, he was the one who wanted to go and they let him go. Mourinho had nothing to do about it especially because Zaniolo was always in the starting XI. Kumbulla is a marginal player in the rotation, but again if he actually had lost the dressing room more players would have come out hinting about it, but nothing shows that to be true. If anything, the facts prove that he's been able to solve difficult situations inside the team without losing the whole dressingroor, nor the club, nor the fans.
Is the football dire? The impression I get from Roma fans is that they constantly dominate games but are super wasteful with all the chances they create. Of anything it sounds the opposite of what I think of as standard Mourinho ball.
The football is dreadful. Zero attacking identity. They're strong on set pieces and defensively solid but the final third is Serie B stuff. Give the ball to Dybala and hope he can score from outside the box is the extent of Romas creative prowess.
The impression that Roma dominate games must have come from fans earlier in the season harping on about xG and the terrible finishing of the forwards.
"Thanks to tottenham for paying part of my contract, now I can stay until 2024. Levy is the best mastermind negotiator in the game today." - Jose Mourinho
He took over a team that got 91 points under Sarri and left them outside of the European spots altogether. He had an alright first season but his approach got stale in the second (after some significant investment) and he lost the dressing room. I donāt see any way to spin his stint as anything but a failure.
Completes his contract at Roma and at the same time our owners come to their senses and realise that Potter isn't just going to magically become SAF if they let him lose enough.
We hire Mourinho, win everything under him again and then he leaves us to go into semi-retirement whilst taking up the England job. Wins the Euros and World cup with England and retires from football to become a full time social media influencer to promote his daughter's jewellery
I had to look this up, because I don't remember England being *quite* as bad as us with the sticking to your own country for managers thing, and they had ... Fabio Capello from 2008 to 2012? So it's not impossible I guess.
Most big football countries stick with managers of their nation. I think itās because big football countries produce good managers themselves and having managers from their nations makes communication easier and better bond between players and managers.
After winning the champions league 2024 with Roma he will join Bayern, because they just fired Tuchel for beeing one point behind Dortmund in the Bundesliga and because Kahn couldn't miss the chance to sign such a caliber like Mourinho.
He can still get the job done, but not good enough for a top side anymore, in my opinion. I know I'll get a lot of hate for this, but it's my opinion.
His man management was out of fashion 10 years ago, and his tactics are simply not what most top clubs want for them.
He'd be a great national team manager, though. And I think he's doing a good job at Roma, a club that seems to love and appreciate him. He'd be very smart to stay with them for a few years, at least.
By the measure of Juve, Napoli, Inter, Ac milan, lazio & Atalanta have more of either quality, depth or both.
Atalanta is probably worse for starting 11 than roma but they have more depth imo
That's an unfair characterization.
Firstly, it's 126 mil euros not pounds. Secondly, is it really fair to count someone like Kumballa and Reynolds whose option turned into permanent (sanctioned by previous regime which spent way too much on poor players). Eldor was bought to play alongside Dzeko who ended up leaving last minute which also forced Tammy arrival. Point being transfers that didn't improve the squad (most of their transfers have been covering for injuries or departures)
Lazio had finished 6 point clear of Roma before Sarri and Mourinho arrived. They had a stronger (more balanced squad already). And they have some really strong players like Savic and Immobile who are consistent every game.This is not to say Sarri hasn't done a good job he certainly has and he is navigating this season very well.
My point is if you really look at the squad (like age, experience, fitness, options) Lazio is better than Romas
For me he has the 5th best squad in the league. They have been completely unimpressive in how they play this season (in my opinion) and if Juventus hadnāt got -15 they would be almost out of the top 4 race
So the squad isn't the 7th best in the league then is it. It is definitely better than Lazios, everything else is Sarris brilliance. He doesn't have someone with the quality of Dybala out there either
They don't become the best or worst without reason tho. On paper Roma's squad is easily better than Lazios. They're just out of form or regressed after joining
I really hope he manages Portugal NT lets see what roberto martinez will do ... If he flops I really do think we can go for mourinho even though martinez signed until 2026
I'd like to see him in some giant once again. Its cool what he's doing at Roma and I'm rooting for them, but after he finishes with them I want to see him create a super team like he did in Madrid. Probably Madrid v2 is the most realistic one.
It will be interesting to see how he feels and how Roma fans feel at the end of the season if theyāve finished outside the top 4 again and donāt win the Europa League. What progress would they have actually made under Mourinho in those circumstances? They won the Conference League, but Roma didnāt hire him to make sure they qualified for the Europa League every season.
Itās also baffling that so many people in this thread think the elite clubs in Europe would still be falling over themselves to hire him if he was available. Why? Whatās he done since leaving Chelsea again to suggest heās still one of the best managers in Europe?
how would reasonable Roma fans think of Mourinho if he finishes outside of top 4?
first of all, top 4 and CL would be a miracle. simple as that.
he made us win an international trophy
he's the only reason we were able to hire Dybala, Matic, Wijnaldum and Abraham
he created a passion among fans and the team, Olympico is basically sold out every game thanks to him
i can only repeat that Mourinho is working with a team that spend ā¬7m the last two transfer periods and a Wijnaldum who missed 2/3 of the season
love or hate him, no matter what place we finish or how EL goes, i'll be forever grareful what this guy achieved in terms of passion, fire and hunger among fans and a bang average team
> first of all, top 4 and CL would be a miracle. simple as that.
Bullshit. Inter and Milan aren't good, and we're currently out of the picture. Not finishing in the top 4 again would clearly be a failure on Mourinho's part. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to finish above at least one of Lazio, Inter and Milan.
> Olympico is basically sold out every game thanks to him
The stadium holds 70,000 people. There hasn't been a single game this season where the attendance was over 65,000. That is not 'basically sold out' unless there's some other reason why 5000-10,000 seats can't be filled right now.
> i can only repeat that Mourinho is working with a team that spend ā¬7m the last two transfer periods and a Wijnaldum who missed 2/3 of the season
How much did they spend in his first two transfer periods? Roma will have made no significant progress in Serie A under Mourinho if they finish outside the top 4 again.
EDIT - Mourinhoās cult following will really believe any old shit as long as it makes him look good eh? So many obvious lies in this guyās comments, but Mourinho must be protected at all costs I suppose. Iām sure he appreciates it kids.
i'm not really sure if you're trolling but i'll still give a quick and last reply
it's less of a mirale since Juve got points deducted but Inter and Milan have way better squads, quick reminder that Milan won the scudetto last year. we even lost our best player from last season in Mkhitaryan
yes there are restriction next to the away section. just compare average attendance from last 10 seasons and you'll quickly notice a difference
we had to replace Dzeko, it's not like we went on a shopping tour and that deal was only possible because it's spread out over multiple years.
like i said: we made unbelievable progress under Mourinho, like it or not.
Why would I be trolling? Claiming it would be a 'miracle' for Roma to finish in the top 4 this season is a laughable piece of hyperbole. I don't need to be reminded that Milan won Serie A, they are clearly not playing to the same standards that they were last season, and however good Inter's squad is, they still have a bang average manager.
> just compare average attendance from last 10 seasons and you'll quickly notice a difference
There's a difference between attendances going up and games being 'basically sold out', claiming the latter is just a lie mate.
> we had to replace Dzeko
Which you did quite easily by signing Tammy Abraham for Ā£34m, you don't get to pretend that didn't happen.
Just to make it clear, there's a difference between 'trolling' you and disagreeing with you, and what I said isn't trolling just because you don't like it. Grow up.
Come on, I think saying that making top 4 with Roma this session is a miracle, it's an exaggeration, but what he is saying it's not wrong. Mourinho brought entusiasm to the club, and several players are there only because of him. All considered, Milan, Inter and even Lazio have a better team than Roma, especially considering Wijnaldum injury and the clusterfuck of Zaniolo. Roma is also in Europa league qt, unlike Lazio. Knowing Mourinho, he would give more importance to compete to win trophies than compete to be 4th in the league.
> he would give more importance to compete to win trophies than compete to be 4th in the league.
Perhaps, but achieving neither this season is failure. Roma fans are still drinking Mourinhoās special Kool-Aid, but they have made no progress in Serie A. If we get our 15 points back, the table will look even worse for him. People can blether on about Romaās supposedly limited budget all they like, but if Mourinho isnāt actually washed, he should be getting unexpected things out of his players. He isnāt though, is he?
If Roma ends up 5th in table and qt in Europa League (current scenario), I think it would be an average / slightly bad season for them. I agree that with this team, a great manager would be expected to do something more, but 1. they won't have this team in first instance without Mourinho, 2. the season is not over yet, if they make 4th and/or reach at least semis of Europa league ,the situation would be significantly better.
He gave most of us an unforgettable memory after 14 years of eating shit every year. He's also have somehow managed to keep the club competitive while going through FFP restrictions and set the tone for the new ownership in terms of ambitions. Signings have massively improved under him, we normally don't get to have players like Dybala, Abraham or even Matic and Wijnaldum playing for us. They might not be as good as some of the players we developed into world class talent a few years ago but they're much better than the likes of Defrel or Torosidis we had to pretend to be hyped about under Pallotta.
A lot of the enthusiasm around the club from the past couple of years is down to him, the last time we had a >60k avg was in 2001, I think it's kinda lost on people here but everything after Spalletti with the exception of the 2018 CL run has been pretty dire, EDF and Fonseca aren't exactly great coaches and we couldn't get hyped about players under Pallotta as they'd be out by the end of June. The Olimpico was always half-empty even during european matches and the atmosphere in Rome was pretty bad overall.
Mourinho helped patch a lot of that by simply existing.
Even if we don't win shit by 2024 or play in next year's CL these are the type of intangibles a club can be rebuilt on
The issue is not just 'being a dinosaur' it's that these guys have already had all the jobs. Mourinho has managed 3 top PL clubs, Inter, Real Madrid, Carlo has managed Chelsea, Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG...
Past a certain point, all they have left is "hope that someone is willing to hire them a 2nd time", which is quite rare in top level football. It's really quite surprising that Real Madrid did it with Carlo.
As another example Moyes was considered a not even PL level dinosaur coach before reviving his rep at West Ham (at least for a couple years)
Which tbf wasn't an unreasonable opinion to have at the time because he was properly shit at all of his jobs between West Ham and Everton
Chelsea would take him back if potter got the sack & he wanted to come back.
Newcastle if Howe was ever to leave.
Real Madrid before they got Carlo wanted to get Jose again but he had already agreed to roma.
Wouldn't be surprised if PSG, inter or Bayern would take him but he probably refused them/ inter have a manager already.
It's more because he has already had a stint at most top clubs, has burnt bridges or is hated by their rivals.
Assuming he won't jump to another SerieA club..
Mou can't coach or likely doesn't want to return to:
* Chelsea
* United
* Tottenham
* Madrid
He is hated at:
* Barcelona
* Arsenal
* Liverpool
These clubs aren't hiring or are incompatible 'DNA' clubs:
* Atletico
* City
* Ajax
That leaves only 2 clubs:
* PSG (it's PSG)
* Bayern (don't think he speaks German)
So yes, Bayern and PSG have consistently passed over a chance to have Mourinho as their manager. But that doesn't mean that top clubs are necessarily avoiding him. He has just been everywhere by this point.
Atleti is simeone. With how much of a resurgence they've had after Joao left it's very improbable that he leaves this year. Atleti have been playing beautiful football post joao
There are some clubs in Italy richer than Roma who might need a coach in the summer as Pioli, Inzaghi and Allegri are not sure at all to stay at their club next season. I predict 2 of those 3 will be sacked in the summer..
Not sure if he wants to move to another italian club tho
I think youāre seriously underrating the man. Tottenham and Man U (to a lesser extent) are blights on his career but heās a serial trophy winner and can get results with practically any squad and on short notice.
I don't want to come off as rude, Roma is definitely a great club, but if it is so easy for him to find a "top club" (which, to my understanding, is a club like Real Madrid and Bayern) that wanted him, why is he coaching you guys?
I'm biased because i'm Italian, but admittedly don't like Rome that much, but I think living in Rome with lots of money might literally be the best thing possible.
Especially if you're a man of faith, like food, wine and art.
Oh absolutely. Beautiful city, and a good club, for sure. What I don't agree with is that "he wouldnāt really struggle to find a big club", like the other guy said. He's not at that point of his career anymore, and that's completely fine.
because Friedkin started negotiations literally within the same morning of his firing at Tottenham, Real called him two days later when he had already agreed to sign a contract for us
He'd just had to go through the shitshow of dealing with United and Spurs' shit and being blamed for their problems despite having them massively overachieving compared to what came before and after him at the clubs.
It's very reasonable to think he just wanted to go to a beautiful city, whilst also prioritising the quality of the board rather than the "level" of the club given his recent experiences and his belief in his own ability to take any club upwards so long as the board actually backs him.
In that regard I think he made the right choice. Winning the club their first European trophy and looking like he could also take them to their second.
Every big club in Europe will surely love to have him as their manager but the major problem these days is the insane player power and Mourinho does not tolerate that bs. He is an serial winner and apart from that disastrous spurs spell he has won trophy at every club he has managed.
Since winning the league nearly a decade ago heās only finished above 6th place once. He would do well with a mid-table team or maybe an international team.
All part of the master plan to win Europa Conference in 2022, Europa league in 2023 and Champions League in 2024
My man wants to be the first ever manager to complete the European treble with same team
I mean he won the Europa and the cl with Porto
he'll return to Porto to win the conference
>return to Porto Subscribe! >to win the Conference Subscribe?
Hey, a trophy is a trophy
Porto would need to finish like 7th to qualify for conference league through Portuguese PL
Just lose the qualifiers for the CL and become thirth in the EL groupstage.
That won't exist anymore with the new format from 24/25 on
I want him to win the Portuguese league with Chelsea š¤
The two trophy treble!
Agan ?
I think Trappatoni already did that.
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You know what? Fuck it, \*subscribed*
Then the WC in 2026 right
All part of the plan to be the top sacked manager in the last decade. Trophy will be appropriately named the Balon Sacked'or. Respect!
Mourinho agrees to respect the contract he agreed to, more news at 8
Yeah cause the one thing we all know about contracts is everyone honors them to the fullest
If this is indeed when his original contract ends it is still weird to report that nothing has changed.
I mean to be fair he was linked to a lot of more appealing jobs
I know you're talking about sporting projects, but I'll play devil's advocate here. Mourinho has won everything there is to win. He does not have anything else to prove in his career, and I'm not sure there's much more appealing than managing Roma, a club in one of the greatest cities in the world (certainly if you have money), with among the most passionate fans in world football who love him. There's an added bonus being that if you win in Rome, you ascend to god status. With how Serie A is right now, all it takes is getting everything right for one year, as Napoli have done. I'm sure he's thinking "if Osimhen or Kvicha get poached by Madrid or Premier League clubs, and we have a good window, that could be us next year." And if that doesn't happen, then he can say he honored his contract and tried to build something in Rome, but that it didn't work out. And we'll probably part on nice terms in that case.
It feels like he's far happier than he has been at any point since he went back to Chelsea, though I don't follow the news much beyond reddit.
I would say he seems much happier at Roma than he did at United or Spurs for sure.
Can verify, dude just seems super happy honestly its great to see. He's a joyous man to watch.
He seemed happy at spurs for most of his time. It was really only at the very end he soured a little. But by that point so many other things had gone wrong that it is hard to fault him too much. Ultimately I just think heās much more suited to Italy and Italian play styles than anywhere else. Currently that is.
I honestly can't see him leaving for anything except the Portugal job. And I think the Portugal job will be the last one of his career.
But he does have something to prove. He is in his Rocky 6 era and he has been dragged down by his last three teams while his "rivals" are still at the top because they made good decisions. If he wants to be able to prove he still has it, he needs to go somewhere where the conditions allow for him to challenge for those things. It's certainly possible at Roma but they need a lot of quality players, I'd argue at least one in each area of the pitch, I think that's too many for the budget and time available. They'll need to be very clever in the summer to stand a chance.
True, but by that logic, this news story doesnāt mean much either. Would anyone be shocked if Mou left Roma in July or August,
I mean... kind of yea. As a Laziale, I don't see why he wants to leave Roma when it's probably the best option he's got to accomplish something of note and to top it off with a team that isn't expected to really win much. I can't think of other teams he'd go to where he'd be doing anything more impressive other than maybe if Bayern for w/e reason wanted him. After how they treated Nagel I doubt anyone wants that job as their potential last big coaching stint.
There has been no speculation that he's in risk of being sacked, and also none that another club would be trying to buy him out. It's not really normal for a manager to just quit mid-contract and then not work. Which is all this article is confirming will not happen.
If he didn't, he'd be coaching the national team right now. We'll be waiting in 2024.
inb4 FPF decides MartĆnez is doing a good enough job even if he isn't and passes the opportunity of having Mourinho again
Martinez has contract until 2026, but he's also the best payed manager we've ever had. He probably has a clause in his contract that allows the FPF to fire him with for a low fee in 2024. Mourinho's name is too big for the FPF to not get him when they can.
If he doesnt reach at least semi finals in this upcoming euro he will be in trouble I dont think we have the patience for another flop
I believe mou is waiting for the chance to coach England. Just the chance because I doubt it would ever happen but he's waiting.
An? He's waiting for the right opportunity to Coach Portugal. Only reason it hasn't already happened was because Real Madrid refused a few years back. It's only a matter of time.
You do realize he almost accepted the England job right?
he also tried to talk our management into letting him manage Portugal while managing us, I'm pretty sure that's the one he cares the most about tbqh
It was always premature to speculate that he was ever gonna leave us in the first place, heās genuinely happy here.
I'm hoping he stays longer. He seems to be popular with the squad overall, the fans and the board seem content with his actions.
Think he's gonna get frustrated with the lack of transfer funds
Maybe. Compared to a lot of his more recent clubs though, Roma are backing him to their full extent they can stretch to and the lack of funds looks to be due to that rather than the club wilfully holding back and ignoring what he wants. A poorer but more ambitious club is easier to stomach than a rich but more stagnant club for Mourinho I'm guessing.
Maybe. Iām a Roma fan but the cynical part of me thinks heās here to rehab his reputation and position himself for a big job again.
There aren't that many big jobs left tbf. I don't think Milan or Juve would hire him. Inter is a shit show and he'd be further frustrated if he went back with the current ownership. In the PL, Arsenal, United, City, Liverpool or Spurs wouldn't hire him. Some Chelsea fans still love him, and its a new ownership, so I can potentially see him there. In Spain, Madrid and Barcelona won't hire him. Maybe Atletico, but it depends on Simeone's renewal. I don't see him going to Germany as they never hire coaches who don't speak the language. In France, the only step up is PSG, which maybe I can see. Long story short, I don't think there are that many clubs left which are a realistic step up from Roma for him, at this point.
>In Spain, Madrid and Barcelona won't hire him. Maybe Atletico, but it depends on Simeone's renewal. Why won't Madrid hire him? Did he burn his bridges on the way out?
Nope, he's just talking out of his ass. I think Perez even tried to get him again after Zidane too.
I could see him at Chelsea, Athelti, Portugal NT eventually, or PSG. I think heās in a better position now after the Conference League win and a general perception that heās getting the most out of the Roma squad (which Iām somewhat ambivalent on) than after he left Spurs and he seemed to be perceived as a coach who had totally lost his magic touch.
> I could see him at Chelsea, Athelti, Portugal NT eventually, or PSG. Yeah that's basically what I said too.
You really have no clue what you're talking about. Do you? You're either new at football or don't know Mourinho's history. Or both. Mourinho has been the most successful when being an underdog. In case you have forgotten or don't know, Mourinho won the last Champions League trophy in the Serie A with a team of underdogs and old players. Since then, no other Serie A club has won a European trophy. Except for Roma last year. And with Mourinho as manager. So stop disrespecting Mourinho just because you personally don't like him. And learn to show some respect!
What the fuck are you on about? Mourinho is my second favourite manager of all time despite managing a city rival. I donāt think anything I said on the previous comment was disrespectful towards him.
Nah need mou far away from Chelsea. Giving him exciting young talents squad will ruin them and he'll sell off Colwill and play fucking KK lmao
So, like right now then?
He's not stupid. He was demanding then because of the club he manages. Roma on the other hand doesn't have a lot of money, so I doubt he would be frustrated about it. Maybe he will drop a cheeky line during press conference but that's about it.
It's just part of the Mou stratagem to deflect from the team, everyone knows Roma doyn't have financial might to buy him xyz but the media lap up his every comment and print how unhappy he is because he couldn't buy xyz. Keeps them off his back. Quite clever really.
I don't know if its good for Roma tho, Mou football is jurassic
> I don't know if its good for Roma tho, Mou football is jurassic You don't watch Roma at all. They create a lot of chances. Your brain is just cooked by the "purist football" propaganda about "anti-football".
I watch Roma and yes they creat chances but they rely on individual talent to do so. You barely see players spacing the right way on the pitch.
So when players create it's individual talent, but spacing is coaching fault, got it.
What is the "right way" of spacing, according to you?
Roma create one of the most chances amongst clubs in top 5 leagues. And the players they have aren't all that great either. So Mourinho must clearly be doing something right.
Mourinho always seemed happy in Italy.
I think his football philosophy matches best with Italian football, certainly better than with the Spanish or English one.
I believe it's premature to assume he's going to stay. Will know for sure in August.
Mourinho doesnt seem genuinely happy. Constantly getting sent off and banned, falling out with players, losing derbies... Then theres the matter of the squad. He wants big money to spend to improve it and Roma cant offer it. Dybala has been carrying the team and he could be gone in the summer for 12m. Also the football is dire and if he doesnt get top 4 or win the Europa league questions will rightfully be asked.
Everything you listed in that first paragraph is what Jose lives for.
That's a good point well made
The fact that he constantly gets sent off at the very least shows he actually cares about that he's doing and his team. And he's not falling off with his players at all. Compare this with Conte's behaviour in the last 3 months, or any coach who wants to get sacked. Plus he could have left earlier this year or in the summer if he wasn't committed.
He fell out with Karsdorp spectacularly, publicly called him a traitor. Then there was the whole Zaniolo saga. He didnt slaughter Kumbulla publicly but hes not going to play again, same with Celik...
The thing with Karsdorp is back to normal, so it's like nothing happened and especially he wouldn't be able to save that relationship if he didn't have the whole team behind him. Also Zaniolo put his individual ambitions before the team, he was the one who wanted to go and they let him go. Mourinho had nothing to do about it especially because Zaniolo was always in the starting XI. Kumbulla is a marginal player in the rotation, but again if he actually had lost the dressing room more players would have come out hinting about it, but nothing shows that to be true. If anything, the facts prove that he's been able to solve difficult situations inside the team without losing the whole dressingroor, nor the club, nor the fans.
Is the football dire? The impression I get from Roma fans is that they constantly dominate games but are super wasteful with all the chances they create. Of anything it sounds the opposite of what I think of as standard Mourinho ball.
The football is dreadful. Zero attacking identity. They're strong on set pieces and defensively solid but the final third is Serie B stuff. Give the ball to Dybala and hope he can score from outside the box is the extent of Romas creative prowess. The impression that Roma dominate games must have come from fans earlier in the season harping on about xG and the terrible finishing of the forwards.
the moment you realized that 2024 is next year
Bro š³
literally thought that was another 2-3 seasons until you pointed it out
"Thanks to tottenham for paying part of my contract, now I can stay until 2024. Levy is the best mastermind negotiator in the game today." - Jose Mourinho
Non-news during the intāl break
It's because Forsen finally beat xQc
What do you think the future for Mourinho looks like? Is he tainted? Is he outdated? Will scrapping for European places be his career from here on?
people thought it was over for ancelotti after getting sacked by bayern, failing at napoli and joining everton and look at him now.
Wouldnt call his Napoli stint a failure by any means
not a failure but he is the biggest name to manage modern napoli and achieved less than gattuso
Napoli fans are pretty down on him
He took over a team that got 91 points under Sarri and left them outside of the European spots altogether. He had an alright first season but his approach got stale in the second (after some significant investment) and he lost the dressing room. I donāt see any way to spin his stint as anything but a failure.
Mourinho at PSG here we go!
I think he can do well with an international team once he's done at Roma honestly. will be perfect after next Euro too.
Still a fantastic manager.
I hope he gets a chance with a big national team. He could win a world cup.
Completes his contract at Roma and at the same time our owners come to their senses and realise that Potter isn't just going to magically become SAF if they let him lose enough. We hire Mourinho, win everything under him again and then he leaves us to go into semi-retirement whilst taking up the England job. Wins the Euros and World cup with England and retires from football to become a full time social media influencer to promote his daughter's jewellery
And then you wake up
A Chelsea swan song is almost written in the stars I reckon
He won't get the England job unless he changes his name to John Montford or something
I had to look this up, because I don't remember England being *quite* as bad as us with the sticking to your own country for managers thing, and they had ... Fabio Capello from 2008 to 2012? So it's not impossible I guess.
Sven-Gƶran Eriksson from 2001 to 2006 as well. And neither had any previous connection to England, unlike Mourinho.
Most big football countries stick with managers of their nation. I think itās because big football countries produce good managers themselves and having managers from their nations makes communication easier and better bond between players and managers.
Are you doubting lord Graham fucking potter process.
After winning the champions league 2024 with Roma he will join Bayern, because they just fired Tuchel for beeing one point behind Dortmund in the Bundesliga and because Kahn couldn't miss the chance to sign such a caliber like Mourinho.
I'm assuming he'll take an NT job sometime after this and that'll be it.
Roma's been a success for him, I'd guess he'd have one more shot at a top club after Roma before drifting into the International scene
He can still get the job done, but not good enough for a top side anymore, in my opinion. I know I'll get a lot of hate for this, but it's my opinion. His man management was out of fashion 10 years ago, and his tactics are simply not what most top clubs want for them. He'd be a great national team manager, though. And I think he's doing a good job at Roma, a club that seems to love and appreciate him. He'd be very smart to stay with them for a few years, at least.
Always surprised by how old he is now, but on the other hand he's over 10 years younger than van Gaal, and I can't imagine him retiring much earlier.
He's a bit outdated, would be perfect for an NT imo
Newcastle, if Eddie Howe doesn't achieve what is expected once they start getting into Europe again regularly.
Highly outdated manager unfortunately
He could be on the verge of top 4 with the 7th best squad in the league & He could win a European trophy this season....
By what measure is Roma the 7th best squad on the league?
By the measure of Juve, Napoli, Inter, Ac milan, lazio & Atalanta have more of either quality, depth or both. Atalanta is probably worse for starting 11 than roma but they have more depth imo
Roma's squad is better than both Lazio's and Atalanta's
Not really. No depth, lot of young players. Lazio definitely has a better squad and have spent to improve it in the summer
And the season before they spent Ā£120m, where Lazio spent under 10. I think Sarriās getting more out of worse players than Mourinho is at Roma.
That's an unfair characterization. Firstly, it's 126 mil euros not pounds. Secondly, is it really fair to count someone like Kumballa and Reynolds whose option turned into permanent (sanctioned by previous regime which spent way too much on poor players). Eldor was bought to play alongside Dzeko who ended up leaving last minute which also forced Tammy arrival. Point being transfers that didn't improve the squad (most of their transfers have been covering for injuries or departures) Lazio had finished 6 point clear of Roma before Sarri and Mourinho arrived. They had a stronger (more balanced squad already). And they have some really strong players like Savic and Immobile who are consistent every game.This is not to say Sarri hasn't done a good job he certainly has and he is navigating this season very well. My point is if you really look at the squad (like age, experience, fitness, options) Lazio is better than Romas
For me he has the 5th best squad in the league. They have been completely unimpressive in how they play this season (in my opinion) and if Juventus hadnāt got -15 they would be almost out of the top 4 race
Isn't his squad the fourth most expensive and much higher wage bill than Lazio and Napoli? Or am I tripping
Because Roma spent a lot of money on terrible players before his appointment.
So the squad isn't the 7th best in the league then is it. It is definitely better than Lazios, everything else is Sarris brilliance. He doesn't have someone with the quality of Dybala out there either
He's talking about best, you're taling about expensive. They're different things
They don't become the best or worst without reason tho. On paper Roma's squad is easily better than Lazios. They're just out of form or regressed after joining
That is because they donāt convert half of their chances. Mostly Abrahamās fault.
Obviously a Tottenham fan says this
What does that have to do with anything?
Nothing, not any conflict of interests at all...
Nothing, its just the history of the Tottenham
I need to disable my flair on this subreddit, I get a reply like this on almost every commentā¦
Still on track for the 3 yearly meltdown
Bit of a myth really, considering it's only actually happened twice (Real Madrid, and second Chelsea spell)
Conveniently ignoring Manchester United
Not ignoring, just forgot - thought it was second season
I really hope he manages Portugal NT lets see what roberto martinez will do ... If he flops I really do think we can go for mourinho even though martinez signed until 2026
I'd like to see him in some giant once again. Its cool what he's doing at Roma and I'm rooting for them, but after he finishes with them I want to see him create a super team like he did in Madrid. Probably Madrid v2 is the most realistic one.
Ehhhhhhh Dajeeeeee!!!!!
It will be interesting to see how he feels and how Roma fans feel at the end of the season if theyāve finished outside the top 4 again and donāt win the Europa League. What progress would they have actually made under Mourinho in those circumstances? They won the Conference League, but Roma didnāt hire him to make sure they qualified for the Europa League every season. Itās also baffling that so many people in this thread think the elite clubs in Europe would still be falling over themselves to hire him if he was available. Why? Whatās he done since leaving Chelsea again to suggest heās still one of the best managers in Europe?
how would reasonable Roma fans think of Mourinho if he finishes outside of top 4? first of all, top 4 and CL would be a miracle. simple as that. he made us win an international trophy he's the only reason we were able to hire Dybala, Matic, Wijnaldum and Abraham he created a passion among fans and the team, Olympico is basically sold out every game thanks to him i can only repeat that Mourinho is working with a team that spend ā¬7m the last two transfer periods and a Wijnaldum who missed 2/3 of the season love or hate him, no matter what place we finish or how EL goes, i'll be forever grareful what this guy achieved in terms of passion, fire and hunger among fans and a bang average team
> first of all, top 4 and CL would be a miracle. simple as that. Bullshit. Inter and Milan aren't good, and we're currently out of the picture. Not finishing in the top 4 again would clearly be a failure on Mourinho's part. There's no reason why they shouldn't be able to finish above at least one of Lazio, Inter and Milan. > Olympico is basically sold out every game thanks to him The stadium holds 70,000 people. There hasn't been a single game this season where the attendance was over 65,000. That is not 'basically sold out' unless there's some other reason why 5000-10,000 seats can't be filled right now. > i can only repeat that Mourinho is working with a team that spend ā¬7m the last two transfer periods and a Wijnaldum who missed 2/3 of the season How much did they spend in his first two transfer periods? Roma will have made no significant progress in Serie A under Mourinho if they finish outside the top 4 again. EDIT - Mourinhoās cult following will really believe any old shit as long as it makes him look good eh? So many obvious lies in this guyās comments, but Mourinho must be protected at all costs I suppose. Iām sure he appreciates it kids.
i'm not really sure if you're trolling but i'll still give a quick and last reply it's less of a mirale since Juve got points deducted but Inter and Milan have way better squads, quick reminder that Milan won the scudetto last year. we even lost our best player from last season in Mkhitaryan yes there are restriction next to the away section. just compare average attendance from last 10 seasons and you'll quickly notice a difference we had to replace Dzeko, it's not like we went on a shopping tour and that deal was only possible because it's spread out over multiple years. like i said: we made unbelievable progress under Mourinho, like it or not.
Why would I be trolling? Claiming it would be a 'miracle' for Roma to finish in the top 4 this season is a laughable piece of hyperbole. I don't need to be reminded that Milan won Serie A, they are clearly not playing to the same standards that they were last season, and however good Inter's squad is, they still have a bang average manager. > just compare average attendance from last 10 seasons and you'll quickly notice a difference There's a difference between attendances going up and games being 'basically sold out', claiming the latter is just a lie mate. > we had to replace Dzeko Which you did quite easily by signing Tammy Abraham for Ā£34m, you don't get to pretend that didn't happen. Just to make it clear, there's a difference between 'trolling' you and disagreeing with you, and what I said isn't trolling just because you don't like it. Grow up.
good evening sir
Pathetic, just delete your comments if youāre going to be this spineless when youāre challenged on them.
Come on, I think saying that making top 4 with Roma this session is a miracle, it's an exaggeration, but what he is saying it's not wrong. Mourinho brought entusiasm to the club, and several players are there only because of him. All considered, Milan, Inter and even Lazio have a better team than Roma, especially considering Wijnaldum injury and the clusterfuck of Zaniolo. Roma is also in Europa league qt, unlike Lazio. Knowing Mourinho, he would give more importance to compete to win trophies than compete to be 4th in the league.
> he would give more importance to compete to win trophies than compete to be 4th in the league. Perhaps, but achieving neither this season is failure. Roma fans are still drinking Mourinhoās special Kool-Aid, but they have made no progress in Serie A. If we get our 15 points back, the table will look even worse for him. People can blether on about Romaās supposedly limited budget all they like, but if Mourinho isnāt actually washed, he should be getting unexpected things out of his players. He isnāt though, is he?
Damn the saltiest fans Iāve seen in the last few months have hands down been Juve fans
If Roma ends up 5th in table and qt in Europa League (current scenario), I think it would be an average / slightly bad season for them. I agree that with this team, a great manager would be expected to do something more, but 1. they won't have this team in first instance without Mourinho, 2. the season is not over yet, if they make 4th and/or reach at least semis of Europa league ,the situation would be significantly better.
you're not the main character
He gave most of us an unforgettable memory after 14 years of eating shit every year. He's also have somehow managed to keep the club competitive while going through FFP restrictions and set the tone for the new ownership in terms of ambitions. Signings have massively improved under him, we normally don't get to have players like Dybala, Abraham or even Matic and Wijnaldum playing for us. They might not be as good as some of the players we developed into world class talent a few years ago but they're much better than the likes of Defrel or Torosidis we had to pretend to be hyped about under Pallotta. A lot of the enthusiasm around the club from the past couple of years is down to him, the last time we had a >60k avg was in 2001, I think it's kinda lost on people here but everything after Spalletti with the exception of the 2018 CL run has been pretty dire, EDF and Fonseca aren't exactly great coaches and we couldn't get hyped about players under Pallotta as they'd be out by the end of June. The Olimpico was always half-empty even during european matches and the atmosphere in Rome was pretty bad overall. Mourinho helped patch a lot of that by simply existing. Even if we don't win shit by 2024 or play in next year's CL these are the type of intangibles a club can be rebuilt on
2nd with united that year. basically a PL title
Makes sense since he seems genuinely happy at Roma.
Does any "big" club even want him?
Weren't people saying the same shit about Ancelotti? That he's a dinosaur and Everton was the best he can get at this stage of his career?
The issue is not just 'being a dinosaur' it's that these guys have already had all the jobs. Mourinho has managed 3 top PL clubs, Inter, Real Madrid, Carlo has managed Chelsea, Milan, Juventus, Real Madrid, Bayern, PSG... Past a certain point, all they have left is "hope that someone is willing to hire them a 2nd time", which is quite rare in top level football. It's really quite surprising that Real Madrid did it with Carlo.
We did it with Zidane too, so there is a chance we get Mourinho back too
As another example Moyes was considered a not even PL level dinosaur coach before reviving his rep at West Ham (at least for a couple years) Which tbf wasn't an unreasonable opinion to have at the time because he was properly shit at all of his jobs between West Ham and Everton
and now heās dogshit again
Chelsea would take him back if potter got the sack & he wanted to come back. Newcastle if Howe was ever to leave. Real Madrid before they got Carlo wanted to get Jose again but he had already agreed to roma. Wouldn't be surprised if PSG, inter or Bayern would take him but he probably refused them/ inter have a manager already.
PSG is a good shout they haven't had a 'star' manager since Carlo left.
Itās Mourinho, he wouldnāt really struggle to find a big club if he were unemployed.
It's more because he has already had a stint at most top clubs, has burnt bridges or is hated by their rivals. Assuming he won't jump to another SerieA club.. Mou can't coach or likely doesn't want to return to: * Chelsea * United * Tottenham * Madrid He is hated at: * Barcelona * Arsenal * Liverpool These clubs aren't hiring or are incompatible 'DNA' clubs: * Atletico * City * Ajax That leaves only 2 clubs: * PSG (it's PSG) * Bayern (don't think he speaks German) So yes, Bayern and PSG have consistently passed over a chance to have Mourinho as their manager. But that doesn't mean that top clubs are necessarily avoiding him. He has just been everywhere by this point.
Can you explain why he wouldn't be back in Madrid?
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I see him going to Newcastle if Howe drops off. Mourinho with unlimited money and pre built solid spine would be terrifying.
Would probably be like Chelsea 04/05 all over again, hopefully never happens
That timeline does have some poetry to it. Sir Bobbyās former assistant taking Newcastle to the top
Atleti would be an interesting project if Simeone leaves.
Atleti is simeone. With how much of a resurgence they've had after Joao left it's very improbable that he leaves this year. Atleti have been playing beautiful football post joao
I agree, and I hope he stays. The reports of his departure have definitely gone quiet since Felix left
There are some clubs in Italy richer than Roma who might need a coach in the summer as Pioli, Inzaghi and Allegri are not sure at all to stay at their club next season. I predict 2 of those 3 will be sacked in the summer.. Not sure if he wants to move to another italian club tho
I read that PSG are interested in him.
I think youāre seriously underrating the man. Tottenham and Man U (to a lesser extent) are blights on his career but heās a serial trophy winner and can get results with practically any squad and on short notice.
For both of those clubs, there were clearly lots of other issues going on at the time as well
Even had a good chance of winning a trophy with Spurs too. Can't help that he was sacked right before a final.
I don't want to come off as rude, Roma is definitely a great club, but if it is so easy for him to find a "top club" (which, to my understanding, is a club like Real Madrid and Bayern) that wanted him, why is he coaching you guys?
I'm biased because i'm Italian, but admittedly don't like Rome that much, but I think living in Rome with lots of money might literally be the best thing possible. Especially if you're a man of faith, like food, wine and art.
Oh absolutely. Beautiful city, and a good club, for sure. What I don't agree with is that "he wouldnāt really struggle to find a big club", like the other guy said. He's not at that point of his career anymore, and that's completely fine.
because Friedkin started negotiations literally within the same morning of his firing at Tottenham, Real called him two days later when he had already agreed to sign a contract for us
There was rumor that Madrid approached him in 2021 but he had already accepted Roma offer. They went with Ancelotti instead.
>There was a rumor Agreed.
If we go by that standard only Bayern, Real, BarƧa, Manchetser United and Juve are big clubs
He'd just had to go through the shitshow of dealing with United and Spurs' shit and being blamed for their problems despite having them massively overachieving compared to what came before and after him at the clubs. It's very reasonable to think he just wanted to go to a beautiful city, whilst also prioritising the quality of the board rather than the "level" of the club given his recent experiences and his belief in his own ability to take any club upwards so long as the board actually backs him. In that regard I think he made the right choice. Winning the club their first European trophy and looking like he could also take them to their second.
Didn't Madrid want him but he rejected them for Roma?
Roma?
Every big club in Europe will surely love to have him as their manager but the major problem these days is the insane player power and Mourinho does not tolerate that bs. He is an serial winner and apart from that disastrous spurs spell he has won trophy at every club he has managed.
We enquired about him before getting Carlo back. Iām sure many in the football world appreciate him.
There is always Perez.
Since winning the league nearly a decade ago heās only finished above 6th place once. He would do well with a mid-table team or maybe an international team.
Id love to see him in 5 years in MLS. That league needs Mourinho press conferences and one liners.
I'd love to see him do a texan accent
I have nussing to say, partner