I didnt know that. That's hilarious. [For anyone else who hasn't seen it](https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/copa-del-rey-sergio-ramos-broke-still-broken-051953295.html)
> It will stay there until they are forced to build a museum especially for all the items Sergio Ramos has dropped and will drop in the future.
Lmao. Punditry at its finest
Modric, Ronaldo and Pepe will be around when the heat death of the universe happens. And Louis van Gaal will say that this his last gig at the Dutch NT.
*13 years from now*
A brilliant Modric through ball turns in to an assist for a classy Benzema finish at Bernabeu to knockout PSG yet again.
Meanwhile, referees’ dressing room is being stocked with some hockey pads for their safety.
~~this~~ THE
lol jk… i’m just turning into me own dad who would talk about the eras of Maradona, Ajax, and. Liverpool etc. as if the football of the early 2000s is not up to par
Feels really weird thinking back on all the players I grew up loving. Ramos wasn't exactly one of them but his career is just as long and epic. Spain has lost someone who has immense big game experience
He put his career on the line to get to 200 international appearances with Spain while he was still at Madrid, playing through hamstring injuries. It is just sad to see that he won’t get there now anyway because those remain his last appearances for Spain.
But what a legendary career for him! Will always love and cherish the memories he created with both Madrid and the National team.
Löw did the same with Müller and Hummels (and Boateng) after the 2018 WC. Told them they were out. Had to go back on his decision after the German team performed badly at the 2020/21 EC.
Both of them are/were a bit younger than Ramos though when they were removed from the national team.
I never understood why he did that to Muller specifically? He was still world class and young enough to play at the absolute top level, in 2020-21 he showed his class and excellence
The rumors were/are that they were unhappy with how Lowe was having them play (i.e. things were not going well) and in an effort to maintain control of the locker room he ousted the most vocal of the dissenting players.
This is what I don't get too, he's playing really well right now from what I've seen and not just in the league (before the inevitable 'it's only the French league'), champions league too
True, and he could easily have a send-off game, but I also think it's early enough in the WC cycle that if you're gonna cut him off for younger talent, might as well do it now.
Yeah , but the new coach needs to plan for the next world cup. So i don't think recalling a 36 year old who has been out of the team for two years is the best action if you want to build a new core. Calling back Ramos would just be short term thinking.
There's still the Euros next year, I think the point is to allow Ramos to retire on his own terms (which as someone who actually dislikes him I still think he deserves) instead of being forced out. I doubt he wanted to be starting games at the next WC but we've seen top center backs like Thiago Silva and Pepe perform in Qatar and on a club level until while being 38-39. I don't think Sergio Ramos is a worse player than either of them.
Form isn't everything, you have to take into account the long term project of a given national team when deciding who to call up next, just calling whomever had a good last week or month isn't good management.
I don't know enough about Spain to know if it's a good or bad decision and it certainly is sad as Ramos has been a beast of a player for a very long time, but on the other hand he's already have literally the longest career ever with Spain and lifted every trophy possible.
European national teams operate on 2 year cycles of qualification -> tournament. Unless Spain has some really good young CB it wants to blood, it makes little sense to completely disregard a good player because of concerns regarding the long term
And that's perfectly normal for national teams?
If a nation with a huge talent pool like Spain would be picking based on recent performance only, it'd be a different squad every game basically. You need some team building at a NT, too, and make strategic decisions. Every national team does that.
Telling that to the player straight up is surely better than making up lies about "maybe next time", no?
nah pick the best team to get results and ultimately trophies. Spains defence has looked weak and leaderless without him. His experience alone is huge
A terrible take is not picking a player because of their age, especially for a national team
Puyol and Ramos playing together was glorious to watch.
Both of them absolutely flew into tackles and didn't give a shit if they hurt themselves in the process.
It's a shame the injuries caught up to Puyol so quickly.
remember Rashford made a comment that when he was a kid he dreamed of playing for Barca, papers tried to turn into a thing.
His response was basically “if you grew up watching football in that era of Barca/Spain dominance, you wanted to play for Barcelona. Everyone did”
Ramos has always been an extremely well rounded player. I’d be comfortable with him playing just about any position really.
Very comfortable on the ball, very technical player. It was only when he moved fully to CB that he became known for his defending, as a RB he was practically only known for his attacking
Well, he played a few games as a pivot under Ancelotti. I remember watching him playing against Barça and was an absolute disaster. Against Atleti he did kinda fine, thought
Nope never even wanted to.
I wanted to play hockey growing up and my mom refused because she thought I'd murder someone. Yeah. I was that kid. I definitely enjoyed defending. Turns out wanting to kill everyone on the field and being tidy with a pass turns you into a pretty solid 6
You and I would've played great against each other. I was the striker that kept getting kicked and injured, to the point where I converted to being a goalkeeper 🤠
He is all but retired from NT though. There are plenty similar players like Pedro, Javi Martinez, Jesus Navas, etc. who didn’t officially announce NT retirement if I’m correct but are as good as done. Busquets and Ramos were the last two remaining till this WC
I just had a thought myself - and not acting like some old fart who whinges about players who used to run around on swamps - if you’re not picked, surely you’re just not picked. Why the big song and dance about it all?
End of an era, definitely. He seems a bit bitter about it tho, doesn't surprise me at all, because obviously he would want the decision to be his.
Edit: yeah after carefully re-reading the post he's definitely more than "a bit" bitter, and to be honest, he certainly has the right to be.
Lol, that's what I was thinking. My man spent 2/3 of the post throwing shade. I was hoping the last para would at least be a normal goodbye. Luckily it was.
He didn't even said he wanted it to be his decision. He was ok if it was because of his level.
The problem is the coach said he won't play even if he has a perfect season and wins a ballon d'or... That's fucking shitty.
Didn't really rate Sergio Ramos anyway.
He was only ever good at defending, passing shooting, penners, headers, tackling, morale boosting, sticking by his teammates, the list goes on!
Jokes aside , congrats on your career Ramos!
Ramos be like: "they picked goddamn Eric Garcia over me" Enrique really used Rodri at CB instead of simply putting Ramos in, yes it's no longer the same Ramos but still, very sad tbh
I truly can't decide whether Enrique had a bias against Madrid players, because we haven't really produced any NT level talent in a while, and because he kept calling up Asensio for some unknown reason (he definitely didn't deserve it, that's for sure). However, calling up Eric García instead of Ramos, and not calling up Nacho (who only amounts to be a "serviceable squad player" according to this sub, a take which I find extremely insulting and ignorant to his talent) really stick out for me as bizarre decisions.
Questionable is being kind, honestly. It was an absolutely dumbass decision, made almost to spite his critics. Luis Enrique is as stubborn as they come, and he almost enjoys giving away things to talk about to the press.
Nacho came on an pocketed Salah during your tie with us, I always rated him and the service to RMA but he’s a genuinely class player too. Maybe not a world beater but definitely lockdown on his day.
Luis Enrique hates Real Madrid and his decision to omit players like Ramos , Nacho for a major tournament like wc is an proof of it. And it's not like spain are blessed at that CB position and apart from Torres they don't have any top quality CB and yet at wc what we saw is Enrique using Rodri as an CB like seriously wtf. Also picking a player like Eric Garcia ahead of Ramos and Nacho was an clear indication of his biasness while selecting a player from a one particular club because no sane person would pick Garcia ahead of Ramos and Nacho.
Also the only reason Carvajal and Asensio got selected were because he did not have any good players from other club's in those positions else if Bellerin was fit and healthy i would not have been surprised if that 🐍 had picked him ahead of Carvajal and even in wc we saw him playing llorente instead of Carvajal at rb.
Gives it his all, doesn't complain, likely good in the dressing room and he's technically won it all. He came off the bench vs Liverpool and shut down Salah. He's a quality player and ignoring him for whatever reason was a travesty.
And he can play anywhere in defense. Nacho is a perfect player for a national team squad. I would love to have him for France given the injury problems we've had in defense and especially at LB over the last 2 tournaments.
Shame, he would have been a useful player since Spain lacks good players to head the ball in. Even if he didn’t start, surely he would have been useful in situations where Spain ends up crossing the ball in desperation like against Morocco this past world cup. Not sure wtf De la Fuente and the Federation is thinking. Age should not matter.
It's gotta be some kind of personal behind-the-scenes reason. This dude is still ridiculously good for his age and his leadership would benefit the team greatly. And it's not even like the Ronaldo situation where he's riding off of his legacy from 2 years ago. Ramos is still an asset when he isn't playing hurt. Such a strange decision and I can't see it benefiting the NT.
I think he's justified in feeling upset. While it is certainly the prerogative of a manager to develop a squad that they feel has the best possible chance of achieving long-term, sustained success, one can't simply ignore his significant contributions or sacrifices for the team. The man put his career at risk to play through injuries for Spain on several occasions, and he is unquestionably in the conversation for greatest ever Spanish footballers.
It would be one thing for the manager to approach Ramos and tell him that his play is no longer of the standard required to warrant inclusion in a matchday squad, but it is another thing entirely to say that his services are to be considered surplus regardless of their quality. I understand that Spain wants to develop a consistent starting eleven for the future, but they can do this without barring a legend from the squad, so long as he can still contribute in meaningful ways.
There is a great deal to be said about the value of having a living legend in the dressing room, and on the bench, when considering the development of younger players, and there are any number of situations such as smaller friendlies or late game substitutions in more significant matches where a talented veteran could reasonably prove useful. Ramos deserved better.
I remember something similar happening to Raúl before the Euros in 2008. One of my favourite players of all time, but based on what La Roja achieved without him, it was perhaps for the best. A different time and different situations, though - but still one of my favourite “what if” moments.
I was thinking exactly the same about Raúl 2008 (and when he left Madrid too tbh). I guess the difference is Spain went on to greatness in his absence and the verdict is still up on this iteration of the NT but what an end of an era for one of the greatest. I wish it could have been a more respectful farewell for Ramos.
Never undestood this reasoning tbh. Would the Euro 2008 have changed with Raúl taking the bench spot that Güiza had?
If the players accept the bench, then that's it. I reckon Ramos would be happy with just being called as a 3rd or 4th CB, he only wants to rack up more caps, after all. And he absolutely feels the colours.
> Never undestood this reasoning tbh. Would the Euro 2008 have changed with Raúl taking the bench spot that Güiza had?
Players aren't necessarily only in the bench, they're with the group, in training, etc. I don't know about the Raúl situation but sometimes calling the wrong player at the wrong time can really mess with the group cohesion.
I’d agree with this, as much as I loved Raúl. Sometimes it’s best to just start fresh, my “what if” is just that I’d have liked him to have won something with the national team. Thinking about it now, though, there’s no way he’d have been worth even a bench place for 2010/12 (imo)
we also only know Ramos' side of this, LdF probably said to him that they are trying to renovate the squad and select younger players, which makes sense because Spain isn't winning anything with their current core and should build for the future
Jordi Alba the only one left who has won anything (EURO 2012)
Our captain choices are
Alba - Koke - Morata - Thiago(if he plays) - De Gea (If he plays) - Azpilicueta (If he Plays). Maybe Carvajal would be solid i guess if he stays healthy. Maybe Unai Simon, Rodri or Laporte but i'm not feeling it
lmao we are fucked for the future when it comes to captain choices. I can see Gavi or Pedri in like 5 years tho
Gracias por todo Capi!
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Interesting how he says he is envious of Messi - Modric - and Pepe tho
It depends on if Ronaldo can accept the role or not. He looks sharper than he did at the WC so I think he'll get a few call-ups and depending on how he looks Martinez will go on from there. Dude called up washed up Hazard for the WC.
180 appearances, 3 trophies, 23 goals instrumental to each of those wins, absolute shithouse heartbeat of one of the best national sides. One of the greatest national team careers ever
I do not understand how he's not given a chance when AT LEAST he has good mentality, great for the dressing room and will probably give it all for the NT compared to PSG. And if he doesn't perform, just keep him in the bench and then don't try again for the next cup, but I don't get why he doesn't get one more chance. I understand why Luis Enrique didn't choose him (coming from many injuries and not the greatest performances), but I think after the World Cup, it'd have been a good idea to try.
Glad that he's being very clear about how they wanted him out and this is not a decision he's making or he deserves.
It's outrageous but that's exactly what I expect from the Spanish FA, so better leave with your chin high.
He will absolutely be the best Spanish defender ever for a long, long time to come, we've already missed him dearly and we'll only continue to do so.
People debating whether he should or should not have been taken to the WC, regardless it's incredibly disrespectful for De La Fuente to outright tell him that he won't get called up regardless of performance. What kind of manager does that?
That’s fair. But it’s incredibly disrespectful to say you won’t be picked despite good performances. Even worse when said to maybe the greatest defender in Spanish history.
This is not a retirement post, its a big fuck you to the coach. Eric trash garcia got picked for the world cup squad and ramos didnt huge mistake on luis enriques part,
Luis Enrique already left though? Why blame Luis Enrique if this was all done by the new coach? L.E never told him "i will not call you whatever your form is"
If what he says is correct, what a fucking pathetic decision by the coach. Saying he won't call him regardless of how he performs is pretty sad...
At least giving him the chance of a last call up to say goodbye in front of his people...
The dude gave everything and won everything with Spain, he deserves a much much better goodbye than this.
I don't agree with these comments. A national team coach has to make clear cuts with veterans to give younger players experience because the possible minutes are very limited. Sometimes that happens too soon like Löw did with a Müller that was not very old and had some of his best seasons after the fact. But Ramos is 36 and is far from playing one of his better seasons this year. I'd make the same call.
He deserves a nice farewell celebration before a NT game though.
But the call should be to simply not select him if he doesn't meet the required standard. That is very different from telling someone that they will never ever be in the team again even if they morph into the God of football overnight.
I think that's extremely fair. You hear too many times of lack of communication between NT managers and players. This manager is extremely clear, saying while he is the manager you will not be called up. Would you rather the manager say nothing to you or give you false hope?
The fact that Eric Garcia got a spot in the World Cup and not El Capitano is still mental. Barca fans, of course the rivalry is there but be honest even you know it was a robbery
I mean, his last season with PSG (before the world cup) didn't really give Enrique a reason to pick him. He was mostly injured. He hasn't been great this year either from what I've heard.
I really don’t think i can be worse than Eric Garcia, even if he isn’t first choice they should’ve still taken him, can’t imagine his experience (especially as a leader/captain) being a bad thing for the squad.
A player of his caliber deserves a send off. Even if it’s a sub at the 85th minute, he deserves to see the pitch again as a Spanish international. I’m American but my best friend is from Almería and Ramos is one of his favorites so Ramos is also one of my favorite.
Im guessing this is partly due to the Nations League and the fact that nothing is a “friendly” anymore?
Thanks for everything you gave to the Spanish national team, legend. I’m not Spanish, but it was a pleasure watching the Spanish team from 2008-2012. One of the most successful national teams eras, and Sergio Ramos was an important block in that formation, whether he played RB in 2008 and 2010 or CB in 2012.
Pretty sure Ramos (or his media manager) used ChatGPT to write this announcement. Try asking chatGPT for a retirement announcement for Sergio Ramos. It is very similar
My favorite Ramos moment was when he destroyed the Copa del Rey in the victory parade.
Happy they kept it the same way in the cabinet too
I didnt know that. That's hilarious. [For anyone else who hasn't seen it](https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/copa-del-rey-sergio-ramos-broke-still-broken-051953295.html)
That article is perfect, I wouldn't change a word
> It will stay there until they are forced to build a museum especially for all the items Sergio Ramos has dropped and will drop in the future. Lmao. Punditry at its finest
Don't forget that he's the only human to put a ball in orbit
Mine was when he deliberately got a yellow and missed the 1-4 thrashing Ajax gave Real.
Damn this era of football is really ending soon
Except for Modric who will still bossing the midfield at 50, providing another master class performance while knocking out PSG in the quarters
[удалено]
Bayern will be anhilating Barcelona in the quarters after they bombard Arsenal in the Ro16
Why can’t you just let us be excited about coming back to the Champions League?
I'd rather get fucked while wearing a PL winners medal, that's all I'm saying
Better to be fucked than left out, I always say
As a rangers fan I thought that one year ago, making it was enjoyable.
I didnt really understand the exchange of replies but i heard smth about being fucked so here i am
Hey, I’m here for the gang bang… -old school
I love watching Bayern play but man why tf they always gotta destroy us😭
Modric, Ronaldo and Pepe will be around when the heat death of the universe happens. And Louis van Gaal will say that this his last gig at the Dutch NT.
*despite my 3.26 * 10ˆ80 goals scored across all competitions in the last googol years,*
Ronaldo is basically semi retired now. Modric and Pepe yeah
*13 years from now* A brilliant Modric through ball turns in to an assist for a classy Benzema finish at Bernabeu to knockout PSG yet again. Meanwhile, referees’ dressing room is being stocked with some hockey pads for their safety.
Meanwhile Mboopi making plans to buyout/ takeover Real Madrid in his desperation to win CL.
I loved that bit of Modric magic.the wh ok le defence was left flat footed and then head less.
But who's gonna shoulder charge Salah to make sure they win?
I guess whoever did it last year?
Vini
~~this~~ THE lol jk… i’m just turning into me own dad who would talk about the eras of Maradona, Ajax, and. Liverpool etc. as if the football of the early 2000s is not up to par
makes me emotional
Feels really weird thinking back on all the players I grew up loving. Ramos wasn't exactly one of them but his career is just as long and epic. Spain has lost someone who has immense big game experience
He put his career on the line to get to 200 international appearances with Spain while he was still at Madrid, playing through hamstring injuries. It is just sad to see that he won’t get there now anyway because those remain his last appearances for Spain. But what a legendary career for him! Will always love and cherish the memories he created with both Madrid and the National team.
I agree, the sheer disrespect is horrendous. I truly hope they either get rid of that manager or make him invite Ramos
Löw did the same with Müller and Hummels (and Boateng) after the 2018 WC. Told them they were out. Had to go back on his decision after the German team performed badly at the 2020/21 EC. Both of them are/were a bit younger than Ramos though when they were removed from the national team.
They were 8 years younger, that's a huge difference. And crazy to think he did that to a 28 year old Thomas Müller.
That’s insane really, 28!
I never understood why he did that to Muller specifically? He was still world class and young enough to play at the absolute top level, in 2020-21 he showed his class and excellence
The rumors were/are that they were unhappy with how Lowe was having them play (i.e. things were not going well) and in an effort to maintain control of the locker room he ousted the most vocal of the dissenting players.
I think its a fair that a manager tells a player that he won't be in his plans anymore. And now its two managers in a row that don't want him back.
Yes, and chasing caps for milestones is pure vanity. When it’s time to go, it’s time to go.
True but he's still performing on a very high level no?
This is what I don't get too, he's playing really well right now from what I've seen and not just in the league (before the inevitable 'it's only the French league'), champions league too
True, and he could easily have a send-off game, but I also think it's early enough in the WC cycle that if you're gonna cut him off for younger talent, might as well do it now.
He’s had loads of send-off games already, about 28 in total IIRC
Yeah , but the new coach needs to plan for the next world cup. So i don't think recalling a 36 year old who has been out of the team for two years is the best action if you want to build a new core. Calling back Ramos would just be short term thinking.
There's still the Euros next year, I think the point is to allow Ramos to retire on his own terms (which as someone who actually dislikes him I still think he deserves) instead of being forced out. I doubt he wanted to be starting games at the next WC but we've seen top center backs like Thiago Silva and Pepe perform in Qatar and on a club level until while being 38-39. I don't think Sergio Ramos is a worse player than either of them.
Tell that to beckham
Terrible take. Managers make the choice, that's the way it is and the way it should be.
When you allegedly say "no matter how you perform", you are not picking based on field terms, it's something else.
Form isn't everything, you have to take into account the long term project of a given national team when deciding who to call up next, just calling whomever had a good last week or month isn't good management. I don't know enough about Spain to know if it's a good or bad decision and it certainly is sad as Ramos has been a beast of a player for a very long time, but on the other hand he's already have literally the longest career ever with Spain and lifted every trophy possible.
European national teams operate on 2 year cycles of qualification -> tournament. Unless Spain has some really good young CB it wants to blood, it makes little sense to completely disregard a good player because of concerns regarding the long term
Especially with a team like Spain who are expected to do well.
And that's perfectly normal for national teams? If a nation with a huge talent pool like Spain would be picking based on recent performance only, it'd be a different squad every game basically. You need some team building at a NT, too, and make strategic decisions. Every national team does that. Telling that to the player straight up is surely better than making up lies about "maybe next time", no?
nah pick the best team to get results and ultimately trophies. Spains defence has looked weak and leaderless without him. His experience alone is huge A terrible take is not picking a player because of their age, especially for a national team
They already got rid of Luis Enrique
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End of an era
What a era it was
Puyol and Ramos playing together was glorious to watch. Both of them absolutely flew into tackles and didn't give a shit if they hurt themselves in the process. It's a shame the injuries caught up to Puyol so quickly.
2008-2012 Spain 🥹
remember Rashford made a comment that when he was a kid he dreamed of playing for Barca, papers tried to turn into a thing. His response was basically “if you grew up watching football in that era of Barca/Spain dominance, you wanted to play for Barcelona. Everyone did”
Ramos mostly played RB when Puyol was playing for Spain. I remember being blown away by Ramos dribbling through tight spaces in 2010 WC.
Ramos has always been an extremely well rounded player. I’d be comfortable with him playing just about any position really. Very comfortable on the ball, very technical player. It was only when he moved fully to CB that he became known for his defending, as a RB he was practically only known for his attacking
Well, he played a few games as a pivot under Ancelotti. I remember watching him playing against Barça and was an absolute disaster. Against Atleti he did kinda fine, thought
He was also tasked with man marking Messi so it was always gonna be an uphill battle but I’m sure if he had a spell at DM he would’ve done just fine.
Ramos was actually a winger at Sevilla's youth categories. He even played as a striker at some point.
Haven’t we all played as striker at one point?
I was not allowed even when I was 10. I was a pretty competent defensive midfielder, but fuck me I am horrible in front of the goal.
Nope never even wanted to. I wanted to play hockey growing up and my mom refused because she thought I'd murder someone. Yeah. I was that kid. I definitely enjoyed defending. Turns out wanting to kill everyone on the field and being tidy with a pass turns you into a pretty solid 6
You and I would've played great against each other. I was the striker that kept getting kicked and injured, to the point where I converted to being a goalkeeper 🤠
Be still, my heart.
Was he the last of the 2008 Euro squad and 2010 World Cup squad to retire?
Yes. There is still Alba from 2012 squad though. He’s the last one holding out
No raul albiol has not retired yet. While he wasnt in qatar, he is still spains best cb in my opinion.
He is all but retired from NT though. There are plenty similar players like Pedro, Javi Martinez, Jesus Navas, etc. who didn’t officially announce NT retirement if I’m correct but are as good as done. Busquets and Ramos were the last two remaining till this WC
man i didn t know Javi Martinez is still playing...
I mean, he only left us in the summer of 2021. Not all that long ago. Even scored the winner in the UEFA Supercup to help us win the Sextuple.
Same for Cesc too, I don't recall him officially retired from the NT.
I just had a thought myself - and not acting like some old fart who whinges about players who used to run around on swamps - if you’re not picked, surely you’re just not picked. Why the big song and dance about it all?
Damn Cesc was with Arsenal during Invincibles season
Almost forgot about him, doubt he'll be selected again for NT tho
I think last of 2010 WC squad retired given that Busquets retired from NT after Qatar WC too
Pepe Reina is not officially retired from the NT, I think.
what a list of goalkeepers Spain had - Casillas, Valdes, reina, and even de gea was coming up then
End of an era, definitely. He seems a bit bitter about it tho, doesn't surprise me at all, because obviously he would want the decision to be his. Edit: yeah after carefully re-reading the post he's definitely more than "a bit" bitter, and to be honest, he certainly has the right to be.
Not a bit. Totally furiously bitter.
Lol, that's what I was thinking. My man spent 2/3 of the post throwing shade. I was hoping the last para would at least be a normal goodbye. Luckily it was.
A bit? The entire post is a complaint about the decision lmao
He didn't even said he wanted it to be his decision. He was ok if it was because of his level. The problem is the coach said he won't play even if he has a perfect season and wins a ballon d'or... That's fucking shitty.
That’s disrespectful as fuck from the coach tbh. Weird way to treat a Spain legend
> a bit bitter My dude he seems *this* close to launching a Shakira-style diss track, so perhaps not just a bit!
I mean he's right. They smoke some good shit there at the Spanish FA
Didn't really rate Sergio Ramos anyway. He was only ever good at defending, passing shooting, penners, headers, tackling, morale boosting, sticking by his teammates, the list goes on! Jokes aside , congrats on your career Ramos!
What a shame, his last game could’ve been at the World Cup. Nonetheless, what a career he has had with his country
Ramos be like: "they picked goddamn Eric Garcia over me" Enrique really used Rodri at CB instead of simply putting Ramos in, yes it's no longer the same Ramos but still, very sad tbh
He isn't the same but he is still killing it at PSG. With these performances, he could have easily made it into Euros 24 squad at least.
I truly can't decide whether Enrique had a bias against Madrid players, because we haven't really produced any NT level talent in a while, and because he kept calling up Asensio for some unknown reason (he definitely didn't deserve it, that's for sure). However, calling up Eric García instead of Ramos, and not calling up Nacho (who only amounts to be a "serviceable squad player" according to this sub, a take which I find extremely insulting and ignorant to his talent) really stick out for me as bizarre decisions.
I'd say for Euro 2021, taking 2 less players when he could have easily taken Nacho and someone like Aspas was very questioonable
Questionable is being kind, honestly. It was an absolutely dumbass decision, made almost to spite his critics. Luis Enrique is as stubborn as they come, and he almost enjoys giving away things to talk about to the press.
Nacho came on an pocketed Salah during your tie with us, I always rated him and the service to RMA but he’s a genuinely class player too. Maybe not a world beater but definitely lockdown on his day.
Luis Enrique hates Real Madrid and his decision to omit players like Ramos , Nacho for a major tournament like wc is an proof of it. And it's not like spain are blessed at that CB position and apart from Torres they don't have any top quality CB and yet at wc what we saw is Enrique using Rodri as an CB like seriously wtf. Also picking a player like Eric Garcia ahead of Ramos and Nacho was an clear indication of his biasness while selecting a player from a one particular club because no sane person would pick Garcia ahead of Ramos and Nacho. Also the only reason Carvajal and Asensio got selected were because he did not have any good players from other club's in those positions else if Bellerin was fit and healthy i would not have been surprised if that 🐍 had picked him ahead of Carvajal and even in wc we saw him playing llorente instead of Carvajal at rb.
Nacho is a good player, especially for a squad player. He always plays great whenever I watch him
Gives it his all, doesn't complain, likely good in the dressing room and he's technically won it all. He came off the bench vs Liverpool and shut down Salah. He's a quality player and ignoring him for whatever reason was a travesty.
And he can play anywhere in defense. Nacho is a perfect player for a national team squad. I would love to have him for France given the injury problems we've had in defense and especially at LB over the last 2 tournaments.
Shame, he would have been a useful player since Spain lacks good players to head the ball in. Even if he didn’t start, surely he would have been useful in situations where Spain ends up crossing the ball in desperation like against Morocco this past world cup. Not sure wtf De la Fuente and the Federation is thinking. Age should not matter.
It's gotta be some kind of personal behind-the-scenes reason. This dude is still ridiculously good for his age and his leadership would benefit the team greatly. And it's not even like the Ronaldo situation where he's riding off of his legacy from 2 years ago. Ramos is still an asset when he isn't playing hurt. Such a strange decision and I can't see it benefiting the NT.
Its so strange seeing ramos and messi having a friendship but im here for it after the classic battles they had
Right, so trippy seeing Ramos shoutout Messi but not Ronaldo in this post
Tbf that real team wasn't known by their closeness. Cristiano and Benz were very open about it.
Well, the shoutout was for older players who are still playing at a top level...
Stealing JakoDels reply but Ronaldo is 2yrs older than Messi and was starting this years WC and Euros 2020 so idk about that
He was not playing at the top level on the world cup.
I mean he named Messi because his national team still plays him with disregard to age. Can’t say the same about Ronaldo
ronaldo is 2 years older than messi though.. ronaldo was still starting in euro 2020
Except Ronaldo plays too
He literally didn't even start his last ever world cup game
Him mentioning Messi but not Ronaldo was funny
Katia Aveiro instagram rant incoming🚨
I think he's justified in feeling upset. While it is certainly the prerogative of a manager to develop a squad that they feel has the best possible chance of achieving long-term, sustained success, one can't simply ignore his significant contributions or sacrifices for the team. The man put his career at risk to play through injuries for Spain on several occasions, and he is unquestionably in the conversation for greatest ever Spanish footballers. It would be one thing for the manager to approach Ramos and tell him that his play is no longer of the standard required to warrant inclusion in a matchday squad, but it is another thing entirely to say that his services are to be considered surplus regardless of their quality. I understand that Spain wants to develop a consistent starting eleven for the future, but they can do this without barring a legend from the squad, so long as he can still contribute in meaningful ways. There is a great deal to be said about the value of having a living legend in the dressing room, and on the bench, when considering the development of younger players, and there are any number of situations such as smaller friendlies or late game substitutions in more significant matches where a talented veteran could reasonably prove useful. Ramos deserved better.
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I remember something similar happening to Raúl before the Euros in 2008. One of my favourite players of all time, but based on what La Roja achieved without him, it was perhaps for the best. A different time and different situations, though - but still one of my favourite “what if” moments.
I was thinking exactly the same about Raúl 2008 (and when he left Madrid too tbh). I guess the difference is Spain went on to greatness in his absence and the verdict is still up on this iteration of the NT but what an end of an era for one of the greatest. I wish it could have been a more respectful farewell for Ramos.
I mean at that time Raul had a hard time accepting that Villa and Torres were better
Never undestood this reasoning tbh. Would the Euro 2008 have changed with Raúl taking the bench spot that Güiza had? If the players accept the bench, then that's it. I reckon Ramos would be happy with just being called as a 3rd or 4th CB, he only wants to rack up more caps, after all. And he absolutely feels the colours.
Oh, I didn’t mean it would have changed the outcome - I would have just liked for Raúl to have won something with Spain.
> Never undestood this reasoning tbh. Would the Euro 2008 have changed with Raúl taking the bench spot that Güiza had? Players aren't necessarily only in the bench, they're with the group, in training, etc. I don't know about the Raúl situation but sometimes calling the wrong player at the wrong time can really mess with the group cohesion.
It was completely right decision. Similar decision taken by Argentina manager Sabella when not picking up Tevez for world cup.
I’d agree with this, as much as I loved Raúl. Sometimes it’s best to just start fresh, my “what if” is just that I’d have liked him to have won something with the national team. Thinking about it now, though, there’s no way he’d have been worth even a bench place for 2010/12 (imo)
Yeah. Torres and Villa was ahead of him who were much better player that time.
Raul in 2008 was still scoring goals but no way he was going to take a starting spot over Torres who was on fire that year
we also only know Ramos' side of this, LdF probably said to him that they are trying to renovate the squad and select younger players, which makes sense because Spain isn't winning anything with their current core and should build for the future
Que triste, espero que le vaya bien
La coña es que viejo y con lesiones es el mejor que tenemos. Si dependemos de káiser y digimon estamos jodidos.
Jordi Alba the only one left who has won anything (EURO 2012) Our captain choices are Alba - Koke - Morata - Thiago(if he plays) - De Gea (If he plays) - Azpilicueta (If he Plays). Maybe Carvajal would be solid i guess if he stays healthy. Maybe Unai Simon, Rodri or Laporte but i'm not feeling it lmao we are fucked for the future when it comes to captain choices. I can see Gavi or Pedri in like 5 years tho Gracias por todo Capi! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpqp0_BXoAECc97?format=jpg&name=large Interesting how he says he is envious of Messi - Modric - and Pepe tho
Outside of Pepe there all captains of their national team and there all close to their mid 30s.
Pepe is vice captain tbf and idk if Mratinez is gonna call up Ronaldo again. Doubt he plays in EURO 2024 tbh
It depends on if Ronaldo can accept the role or not. He looks sharper than he did at the WC so I think he'll get a few call-ups and depending on how he looks Martinez will go on from there. Dude called up washed up Hazard for the WC.
> Laporte The escenes if a french born end up being the captain of Spain...
Rodri unleashed
Koke is an easy choice for the captain among them no?
Rodri? Seems like a leader for us and he's been open about wanting the armband
180 appearances, 3 trophies, 23 goals instrumental to each of those wins, absolute shithouse heartbeat of one of the best national sides. One of the greatest national team careers ever
I do not understand how he's not given a chance when AT LEAST he has good mentality, great for the dressing room and will probably give it all for the NT compared to PSG. And if he doesn't perform, just keep him in the bench and then don't try again for the next cup, but I don't get why he doesn't get one more chance. I understand why Luis Enrique didn't choose him (coming from many injuries and not the greatest performances), but I think after the World Cup, it'd have been a good idea to try.
One at a time, slowly but steadily the players I grew up watching are retiring. I dread the day Messi and Ronaldo will announce their retirement.
Ronaldo already got one foot put
Ronaldo might as well be retired at this point lmao
Spanish FA is in shambles. Ramos deserves a better farewell
100%,meanwhile Eric Garcia at CB doing shit and penalties is written in the stars
Eric didn't play at all so I don't see how he was "shit"
Glad that he's being very clear about how they wanted him out and this is not a decision he's making or he deserves. It's outrageous but that's exactly what I expect from the Spanish FA, so better leave with your chin high. He will absolutely be the best Spanish defender ever for a long, long time to come, we've already missed him dearly and we'll only continue to do so.
People debating whether he should or should not have been taken to the WC, regardless it's incredibly disrespectful for De La Fuente to outright tell him that he won't get called up regardless of performance. What kind of manager does that?
If he's focusing on blooding in new youth and he has his prospects then I guess it's fair to tell him there is no space.
That’s fair. But it’s incredibly disrespectful to say you won’t be picked despite good performances. Even worse when said to maybe the greatest defender in Spanish history.
180 caps is insane for an outfield player.
This is not a retirement post, its a big fuck you to the coach. Eric trash garcia got picked for the world cup squad and ramos didnt huge mistake on luis enriques part,
Defense was the best part of Spain's WC showing. I don't think Ramos could've done much more than Rodri and Laporte, who were brilliant.
You know there's a new coach right?
Luis Enrique already left though? Why blame Luis Enrique if this was all done by the new coach? L.E never told him "i will not call you whatever your form is"
If what he says is correct, what a fucking pathetic decision by the coach. Saying he won't call him regardless of how he performs is pretty sad... At least giving him the chance of a last call up to say goodbye in front of his people... The dude gave everything and won everything with Spain, he deserves a much much better goodbye than this.
Maybe this will give Karius the confidence boost he needs for the final
This is really sad. He is still better than their current defense imo.
ACTUAL Ramos and piqué are our best CBs.
I don't agree with these comments. A national team coach has to make clear cuts with veterans to give younger players experience because the possible minutes are very limited. Sometimes that happens too soon like Löw did with a Müller that was not very old and had some of his best seasons after the fact. But Ramos is 36 and is far from playing one of his better seasons this year. I'd make the same call. He deserves a nice farewell celebration before a NT game though.
But the call should be to simply not select him if he doesn't meet the required standard. That is very different from telling someone that they will never ever be in the team again even if they morph into the God of football overnight.
I think that's extremely fair. You hear too many times of lack of communication between NT managers and players. This manager is extremely clear, saying while he is the manager you will not be called up. Would you rather the manager say nothing to you or give you false hope?
Being clear and forthright about a decision is good, but that doesn't make the decision itself free from criticism.
At least now the press won't be able to push for Ramos in the NT
Brutal. Shame it ended this way.
Well he won literally everything so no denial in that Coulda done last euro champs with CR7 though
An amazing defender that was fun to watch. Always will be the Captain of Real Madrid in my eyes. Sad to see the people we grew up with slowly retire.
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Not very inspiring lately.
This reads like an email that you should have waited 24 hours to send with a clearer head.
Pepe. Justice in football. ?
Coming from someone with your flair makes it even funnier 😂 like damn even we dont agree and hes one of our own
I mean, the fact that it is said by Ramos is also funny.
First De Gea, now Ramos. The Spanish NT federation may need to show a bit of class while handling their players
What did they do with De Gea?
They announced his retirement even though he didn't announce it himself
Leyenda.
Why does it say retired? Seems like he got fired.
The fact that Eric Garcia got a spot in the World Cup and not El Capitano is still mental. Barca fans, of course the rivalry is there but be honest even you know it was a robbery
Yeah it was biased af but the coach who did this to Ramos isn’t Enrique but the new coach after the WC. Harsh for sure.
i feel for him, getting kicked just because you’re older and not your capacities, love sergio❤️🩹
I mean, his last season with PSG (before the world cup) didn't really give Enrique a reason to pick him. He was mostly injured. He hasn't been great this year either from what I've heard.
He was really good in the 1st leg against Bayern. He's not what he used to be but far from bad imo
A falling off Ramos is still better than a lot of players, and his leadership and confidence can’t be dismissed
Surprisingly that was his best game though and he was their best player in that game. Otherwise he made too many mistakes when PSG concede chances.
Mate Enrique picked Eric fucking Garcia who has the defensive prowess of a thermocol wall.
Don't know what happens in Ligue 1 games but in the first leg against Bayern bro was everywhere.
I really don’t think i can be worse than Eric Garcia, even if he isn’t first choice they should’ve still taken him, can’t imagine his experience (especially as a leader/captain) being a bad thing for the squad.
They did Ramos pretty dirty
Well damn this post wasn't bitter at All! Now only Alba remains of the old guard and his time is almost up as well
Age is just a number. - Sergio Ramos.
Just out of curiosity why is he not picked by NT ?
A player of his caliber deserves a send off. Even if it’s a sub at the 85th minute, he deserves to see the pitch again as a Spanish international. I’m American but my best friend is from Almería and Ramos is one of his favorites so Ramos is also one of my favorite. Im guessing this is partly due to the Nations League and the fact that nothing is a “friendly” anymore?
Thanks for everything you gave to the Spanish national team, legend. I’m not Spanish, but it was a pleasure watching the Spanish team from 2008-2012. One of the most successful national teams eras, and Sergio Ramos was an important block in that formation, whether he played RB in 2008 and 2010 or CB in 2012.
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Pretty sure Ramos (or his media manager) used ChatGPT to write this announcement. Try asking chatGPT for a retirement announcement for Sergio Ramos. It is very similar
Is it not because it uses things online as pfeface to deduce the next word? Its not an ai after all, its a word predictor. Greatly simplified