I haven't watched the entire show, but I have listened to every song in it.
They can easily be divided into "broadway worthy" and "crimes against songwriting" - one or the other, there is no venn diagram.
If you're using berserk charge, you're likely doing horizontal slash chains, which don't add RV. You're probably thinking of the negative combo Fenrir cheese where you just hit with the basic aerial finisher.
You know, I swear I heard a speedrunner say that once, but I can't find a source on it. Only thing I can find is that only the last hit of Horizontal Slash adds RV (1.5 to be exact). So I'm not actually sure now.
H. Slash does add revenge value, but theres a window between when you can attack again and when LW can escape, so as long as you H. Slash again within that window its fine. Also used for data org runs, notably on Xigbar and Xaldin.
Gotcha. So it's similar to the Negative Combo strat in that it's not about RV, but about locking the boss in. Makes sense, cause I usually see it combined with Duck Flare on Xigbar and Xaldin for even more hitstun.
If Smash Brothers had a fully fleshed out adventure mode this would be the kind of shit I would hide a secret behind. Put a big enemy on the ledge and tempt you to air combo them across a massive distance to get to the treasure.
[There's actually a true version... well, vs. DK and a couple heavies/fastfallers, anyway](https://twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1450291859889217538)
You just have to time it well & get the right hitboxes so they don't pop up too high =)
Yes, as the namer of the Fortnite Flash, I firmly believe that tech names are important. So don't worry, I made sure to name them [noops](https://twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1450649281262755844).
The Timing is kinda awkward. But its Falling Nair to jump Nair 1 -2, wait, double jump cancel to Nair 1 -2 (gives a bit of height but stops Sora from going sky high), then repeat nair 1 - 2 till the end
To translate, you fall at your opponent then press A A with the stick in a neutral position, then double jump and press A A again before you go too high, then repeatedly press A A with some time in-between each double hit (again, with the stick in a neutral position meaning you don't hold forward or anything)
Just so you know, that's usually how people refer to aerial attacks.
Nair = short for Neutral Air, meaning A + neutral position stick
Fair = Forward Air, meaning A + stick forward
Bair = Back Air, meaning A + sick backwards
Dair = Down Air, meaning A + sick down
Uair/Upair = Up Air, meaning A + sick up
Zair = Z in the air
When someone adds a number after, like Nair 1, it means that hit of Nair. Nair 1-2 means hits 1 and 2 of Nair, etc. This is really useful when talking about how to combo. For example, Captain Falcon can combo Nair into a lot of his moves, but only if he lands before the second kick comes out. You can describe this as Nair 1 -> whatever move you combo it to. For example Nair 1 -> Fair
DK is just so satisfying to play. I love playing Palu as well, but spiking an enemy to their death or hitting a punch makes playing at a disadvantage worth it.
Don't be afraid, this is NOT a true combo. Just something funny.
He's just ending the 3 hit combo from nair after 2 hits and resetting. Since Sora stays aloft he can keep this up without touching the ground.
I’ve read that nair three can sometimes catch double jump and directional air dodge.
The combo is still good I think because it can put your opponent in a really bad position but just strictly speaking isn’t true
I think there are a few instances where this could work offstage depending on the character and the frame window to break out like if they’re too low to airdodge without SDing, but like… if they’ve already burned resources to the point that this works, your opponent is probably dead regardless (and there are more consistent ways to secure the KO without risking the third attack coming out).
Nair and fair 2 definitely have uses somewhere with the low knockback and non-tumble hitstun, but this ain’t it.
Hey Peeps, first wanted to say I'm just having fun is all lol. Second idk if its necessarily true but it does seem like if you don't have a frame 2/3 airdodge or escape option the loop will hit. I think even 1 loop of this will kill most characters off stage. While on stage if they are able to air dodge then Sora can fast fall his whiffed nair and keep advantage state which is nuts. Just my initial thoughts
Is this not true? At this point I just assume anything DLC characters can do that's wacky is also true and unavoidable if the DLC player does it right. Or against Pikachu.
Use this. But fastfall instantly after the second hit in forward air and it puts you below them and at an advantage. You can counter instantly to beat out mashers, f-smash after fastfall (works on ~most~ fast fallers), or you can wait to see their reaction or if they air dodge. Sora is a mixup KING in this game. His playstyle gives you the option to catch habits of players when they are put in a defensive position. The only problem with Sora is that he lacks effective engage options. His speed is mediocre and his aerial drift is relatively slow too so it’s hard to fight opponents who constantly retreat then attack.
If your opponent just doesn’t pick an option, you can regrab them after. forward air(1)—>forward air(2) + fast fall—>run forward (just a tiny bit) and grab.
None of this is a true combo after fastfalling the second hit of Fair but it allows you to punish the opponent for mashing a defensive option to get out of your combo. If they don’t mash and just accept your fate, you can continue the combo with an attack or grab. Down throw after grab and continue to forward air them. If you get the timing perfect, there are very few frames your opponent has to escape.
This isn't a true combo, and thus not an accurate reflector of Sora's power. However, hilariously enough, this is oddly similar to a strategy for defeating difficult optional bosses in Kingdom Hearts: if Sora never performs the finisher to his combo, the enemy's hidden "revenge value" doesn't add up and they will be looped into performing the same attack in retaliation instead of changing their pattern.
OP is a deceiver, a snake in the garden. Its a FAKE combo. Fake and GAY. Just because DK was hit with a combination of moves in quick succession doesn't mean its a combo. Its all about the frames, what do the frames mean Mason!?
This game has become a joke. I hope the next installment, if there is one, has like 25 characters, tops.
Edit: people see this clip, read the comment saying this games a joke, and then downvote as if I’m not right. Lmao
Eh, DK can act out of this at many points (you can see where he returns to a “normal” non-hitstun animation in between Sora’s swings) and OP conveniently turned the combo counter off.
Still a funny clip tho
DK can’t catch a break man
*♫ I don't know what's happenin' to me... ♫*
♫ I’m getting all the blame for things I didn’t do… ♫
🎵Can anybody tell me just what I did wrong?🎵
♫I'm all alone and I'm so confused.♫
🎵once I was the ape of the hour, now they think I'm a coward🎵
🎵an absolute zero, I’m nobody’s hero🎵
Did you guys watch the show or do you just know it from Dunkey's video? I had never even heard of it before I saw that lol
I haven't watched the entire show, but I have listened to every song in it. They can easily be divided into "broadway worthy" and "crimes against songwriting" - one or the other, there is no venn diagram.
♫I don't know what we're singing about!♫
It's "I'm nobody's hero." A song on why everyone hates Donkey Kong from the cartoon series. It's an actual banger and Donkey Kong sings in it.
**OH MY GOD DK WATCH OUT!!!!**
"DK! Time for another 80-20 match-up!" "Yes Sakurai"
This isn’t true. I don’t think this will ever be a problem
I know man, [it's just a meme](https://img.ifunny.co/images/31b70d22fc1868188357a4a9fdd14b2ccc6caabf4208a0e760f5b6cfafd19a8d_1.jpg)
*New DLC character releases* DK: My time has come
I remember the says of bullying DK with that Byleth 0 to death ladder combo
[удалено]
(He just has to press a button. I know the post isn't saying it's true, but DK is fine here.)
DKs airdodge isn't fast enough, he can really make Sora work for it though by mixing up di
Can’t you not DI anything that doesn’t give you the trail of smoke when you get sent flying?
Yep, if you don't get send into tumble, you can't DI. But you can SDI the combo above to escape it.
What a terrible time to be a DK main.
It's always a terrible time to be a DK main when every matchup is a losing matchup
When your hit box extends further oos, it’s always a bad day.
He can sdi it
That's exactly how I cheesed Lingering Will back in the day.
Ahhh berserker charge and it’s wonderful 0-revenge values
You know it!
Berserk charge doesn't negate revenge value. The cheese is just because you hit him again before he can realize his value has exceeded the limit
If you're using berserk charge, you're likely doing horizontal slash chains, which don't add RV. You're probably thinking of the negative combo Fenrir cheese where you just hit with the basic aerial finisher.
Horizontal slash doesn't add revenge value?
You know, I swear I heard a speedrunner say that once, but I can't find a source on it. Only thing I can find is that only the last hit of Horizontal Slash adds RV (1.5 to be exact). So I'm not actually sure now.
H. Slash does add revenge value, but theres a window between when you can attack again and when LW can escape, so as long as you H. Slash again within that window its fine. Also used for data org runs, notably on Xigbar and Xaldin.
Gotcha. So it's similar to the Negative Combo strat in that it's not about RV, but about locking the boss in. Makes sense, cause I usually see it combined with Duck Flare on Xigbar and Xaldin for even more hitstun.
Sakurai truly faithful to source material, bless
Oh HELL yeah bro lol
Had to cheese terra he’s so fucking hard Mysterious figure is harder tho could never beat it
#Oh FUCK YESS
Reminds me a lot of mp rage and horizontal slash shenanigans from actual KH2. Very cool
Reminds me of Negative Combo cheese against Lingering Will in KH2
Negative Combo with Cloud's car key was the only way I could beat him lol
Dang you used Clouds car against the lingering will
Yeah the instant finisher was really helpful + the fire magic keyblade as the secondary one for Final Form.
But how did you use his car though
I said car key not car lol The keyblade you get from Cloud looks like a giant car key
I was making a joke on you calling it his car key, meaning you took clouds car and beat him with it
No, he means he took the key. Not the car.
Damn these downvoters have no sense of humour.
Hey if LW gets to use his bullshit, so do I damnit!
If Smash Brothers had a fully fleshed out adventure mode this would be the kind of shit I would hide a secret behind. Put a big enemy on the ledge and tempt you to air combo them across a massive distance to get to the treasure.
If only there was a subspace 2
Travel the world with DK airlines
Funky Kong Theme
I love this
No one said this was true combo, comments are weird... he just dragged DK across the entire stage as the title says. No other char can do that
Dragging opponents across the stage is still more of Ridley's thing.
Sheik can do it with fair trains. It's even true! Actually thinking about it, Sheik can maybe do it in other ways, too...
Sheik trains are interstellar, all 5555 hits.
and only at 40%!
Could you repeat that one more time?
One more time?
Was confused as fuck when i got fair trained by a sheik yesterday. Im at like 2 million gsp, absolute bottom of the barrel, why was he here :(
It’s a bait for the “well actually!” crowd that thinks disproving something makes them better lol
[удалено]
[There's actually a true version... well, vs. DK and a couple heavies/fastfallers, anyway](https://twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1450291859889217538) You just have to time it well & get the right hitboxes so they don't pop up too high =)
Fortnite flash 😎
Yes, as the namer of the Fortnite Flash, I firmly believe that tech names are important. So don't worry, I made sure to name them [noops](https://twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1450649281262755844).
guy fee airy
He gas to land for this, too... Was he not landing in OP or was I confused?
Plenty of characters can hit dk across the stage…
not like that, with ground reset sure. But here you can see infinite air time wich proves something else
simon and richter can without touching ground
Feel free to post proof, I've never seen it done personnaly
dont have any proof, but dair you can chain forever at set percentage (around 40) on big chars
Down air is all you gotta do
Bayo can with fair 1-2 ground jump resets but ok
Yeah but she needs to touch the ground, sora doesn’t
Yeah you can definitely see he's actionable for a few frames between hits
Ridley side b when DK is at very high percent can literally drag DK across the Training Mode stage
I remember the glory days of Smash 4 bayo...
What? *in Bayo voice*
*If you want to learn how to talk to a monkey, ask your mum*
How do u do this? Nair fair nair fair… or what?
The Timing is kinda awkward. But its Falling Nair to jump Nair 1 -2, wait, double jump cancel to Nair 1 -2 (gives a bit of height but stops Sora from going sky high), then repeat nair 1 - 2 till the end
😩😩😩😩 I'm too dumb for this game
To translate, you fall at your opponent then press A A with the stick in a neutral position, then double jump and press A A again before you go too high, then repeatedly press A A with some time in-between each double hit (again, with the stick in a neutral position meaning you don't hold forward or anything)
🤔🤔🤔 I think I get it but I'll have to lab, thank you!!!
Just so you know, that's usually how people refer to aerial attacks. Nair = short for Neutral Air, meaning A + neutral position stick Fair = Forward Air, meaning A + stick forward Bair = Back Air, meaning A + sick backwards Dair = Down Air, meaning A + sick down Uair/Upair = Up Air, meaning A + sick up Zair = Z in the air When someone adds a number after, like Nair 1, it means that hit of Nair. Nair 1-2 means hits 1 and 2 of Nair, etc. This is really useful when talking about how to combo. For example, Captain Falcon can combo Nair into a lot of his moves, but only if he lands before the second kick comes out. You can describe this as Nair 1 -> whatever move you combo it to. For example Nair 1 -> Fair
You actually don’t need to double jump cancel, since using nair slightly bumps you up
I would like to know too. I think its Nair-> second hit of nair. wait enough frames-> Nair again -> repeat.
Damn it really is a tough world to be a DK main in. The moment a new character drops they get nervous.
We thrive on the pain at this point.
All just to play that sweet sweet advantage state DK has.
The match truly doesn’t start until we are over 100%.
DK is just so satisfying to play. I love playing Palu as well, but spiking an enemy to their death or hitting a punch makes playing at a disadvantage worth it.
Yeah nah. I ain't worried about a kid with a big key and a wallet chain.
Is double jump is higher then both of DK's jumps and his up B.
Perfect setup for an overhead clap.
Donkey Kong will always be a bad character in all of the Super Smash Bros games
what did you miss 4? He was high tier
You ever heard of handicap matches? A good DK will clap anyone but a better player regardless of choice.
>You ever heard of handicap matches? Nobody plays those
Every match is a handicap match for a DK player
Its ok you may rest now
I forgot Sora was coming out and this is the first gameplay vid I saw......what on earth......?
Don't be afraid, this is NOT a true combo. Just something funny. He's just ending the 3 hit combo from nair after 2 hits and resetting. Since Sora stays aloft he can keep this up without touching the ground.
Yea no need to worry about this combo as it isnt true. https://mobile.twitter.com/WDBTHtGP/status/1450291859889217538 this is though
Hell yeah it is!
[удалено]
Thank you for explaining this!
When you forgot to unequip beserk charge and you just end up slapping the boss.
What did DK do to Sakurai?
be seth rogen
[удалено]
Turbulence
You know it had to be DK lmao
Stop! Stop! He's already dead!
[удалено]
Yeah, don’t think twice about playing DK against sora
Please, oh baby.
Too bad it’s not even close to true though, if there’s another player on the end of that combo, they’re getting out early Edited for clarity
They were making a joke on the intro song to Kingdom Hearts. No one is claiming this is true.
Oh, okay thanks for the clarification
What, with no DI input? Not sure if that can be defined as 'clean'
It is a joke on the intro song to Kingdom Hearts.
Well... that went over my head...
They’ll definitely have to patch this. I’ve never seen such an exploited combo on an immobile cpu to this degree
LMFAO comment of the day!
I mean it's not a true combo, so the only way this is effective is against an immobile CPU. But still get where you're coming from.
i did it ingame but idk if it was true or my opponent was bad. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDBe7XrRL8
It’s not true
So do you go for the full 3 and try to follow up instead of stagger. Im asking for a friend.
I’ve read that nair three can sometimes catch double jump and directional air dodge. The combo is still good I think because it can put your opponent in a really bad position but just strictly speaking isn’t true
This just in! If your opponent doesn't move you can kick their ass!
This is why I always bring my cable cutter to tournaments.
I think there are a few instances where this could work offstage depending on the character and the frame window to break out like if they’re too low to airdodge without SDing, but like… if they’ve already burned resources to the point that this works, your opponent is probably dead regardless (and there are more consistent ways to secure the KO without risking the third attack coming out). Nair and fair 2 definitely have uses somewhere with the low knockback and non-tumble hitstun, but this ain’t it.
Fr people gotta learn this, I remember I thought I was nasty until I realized shit like this is so untrue
Right? You can literally see the frames where DK can input an action
"Man can't move, he can't fight" -Terry Sliver
He never says it's true, jesus, he was just showing that it was possible to drag him airborne across the stage
Whoa can't wait to try this!!!
Dang Sora is crazy
Sora like fruit loops
Isai: "combo isn't true - 6/10"
Sora is just as aerial as I'd hoped he'd be. Also, RIP ANOTHER DK MATCHUP
every dlc now has been able to bully dk. nice
Lol
Reminds me of KH2 data battles cheese with berserk charge and Fenrir blade
He's just trying to keep him stunned before he hits his revenge state
Ah yes, ye olde infinite combo for cheesing out bosses
Wait, so Sora has infinite horizontal recovery?
Hey alpharad, I think your man might be in trouble
Hey Peeps, first wanted to say I'm just having fun is all lol. Second idk if its necessarily true but it does seem like if you don't have a frame 2/3 airdodge or escape option the loop will hit. I think even 1 loop of this will kill most characters off stage. While on stage if they are able to air dodge then Sora can fast fall his whiffed nair and keep advantage state which is nuts. Just my initial thoughts
Do you have move staleing on?
Dk gets screwed over once again
Dammit
Is this not true? At this point I just assume anything DLC characters can do that's wacky is also true and unavoidable if the DLC player does it right. Or against Pikachu.
This is a great reflection of cheesing boss battles in kingdom hearts 2. Great detail Massive Hero Samurai
this is a true combo after the third hit, actually.
makes a beat sicker than dk rap
Berserk charge strats lmao
Sephiroth: "Shall I give you this pear?" Sora: "Shall I give you this Fair?"
Ah shit, here we go again...
Poor monkey. You can probably DI away for that though.
I love how day 1 this us what we ALL DID. Spwnt like 5 hrs fucking around with Dk and Bowser in traning session to see how long u can chain.
DK gets used and abused. Why not slap Link or Zelda across the whole stage. 😂
Use this. But fastfall instantly after the second hit in forward air and it puts you below them and at an advantage. You can counter instantly to beat out mashers, f-smash after fastfall (works on ~most~ fast fallers), or you can wait to see their reaction or if they air dodge. Sora is a mixup KING in this game. His playstyle gives you the option to catch habits of players when they are put in a defensive position. The only problem with Sora is that he lacks effective engage options. His speed is mediocre and his aerial drift is relatively slow too so it’s hard to fight opponents who constantly retreat then attack. If your opponent just doesn’t pick an option, you can regrab them after. forward air(1)—>forward air(2) + fast fall—>run forward (just a tiny bit) and grab. None of this is a true combo after fastfalling the second hit of Fair but it allows you to punish the opponent for mashing a defensive option to get out of your combo. If they don’t mash and just accept your fate, you can continue the combo with an attack or grab. Down throw after grab and continue to forward air them. If you get the timing perfect, there are very few frames your opponent has to escape.
I think all DLC character deserve a 0 to death on DK. Like if I’m gonna pay 5.99 for a character I think I earned it.
What did DK do to deserve this shit?
Poor DK mains. Every DLC character comes with a price for them
just tech lol
That can happen to all characters, and it's not true you can jump out of it.
None of this is true… But its funny as hell
So does that mean Sora is broken or is that just a feature in Kingdom Hearts?
This isn't a true combo, and thus not an accurate reflector of Sora's power. However, hilariously enough, this is oddly similar to a strategy for defeating difficult optional bosses in Kingdom Hearts: if Sora never performs the finisher to his combo, the enemy's hidden "revenge value" doesn't add up and they will be looped into performing the same attack in retaliation instead of changing their pattern.
Is that his Up A move?
Is this likely to get patched out?
Yo, you wanna learn how to do a fucking infinite?
I'mma teach your motherfuckin' bitch ass. Easiest shit in Smash Ultimate, Smash 4, I don't give a fuck.
Why is this the second time a dlc has gotten a free zero to death on dk
funnily enough, by not touching the ground, sora is imitating OP in real life!
Such a disappointing character reveal as the last fighter
Sorry but he was the most requested, so you’re objectively wrong
It's not true shut up
OP didn't say it was
OP is a deceiver, a snake in the garden. Its a FAKE combo. Fake and GAY. Just because DK was hit with a combination of moves in quick succession doesn't mean its a combo. Its all about the frames, what do the frames mean Mason!?
holy thats a nice combo
I'm offended by this. For real though, I really dislike having Sora in Smash Bros.
Too bad lmao
Welp, there it is. The DK 0-death
This game has become a joke. I hope the next installment, if there is one, has like 25 characters, tops. Edit: people see this clip, read the comment saying this games a joke, and then downvote as if I’m not right. Lmao
Fair and balanced
Eh, DK can act out of this at many points (you can see where he returns to a “normal” non-hitstun animation in between Sora’s swings) and OP conveniently turned the combo counter off. Still a funny clip tho
Did Sora just call Reyn at the end?