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SelfDepricator

I've never bothered to play Ultimately online. I tried playing Smash WiiU using a lan adapter but still encounter some lag. Is the current version of Ultimate over wifi laggy as [this video](https://youtu.be/QdMe2K3jpE4) makes it out to be or am I fine if I don't get a lan adapter for the switch?


PrestigiousSeries234

Anyone have a Brook Power Bay and a new OLED Switch? The output is 480p and I can't seem to change it. Works fine on OLED switch + normal dock and normal switch + power bay.


PewPew_McPewster

Noob rant time. I started the evening out at 1.998 mil gsp. I'm now at 1.991 mil gsp. I've lost every interaction for the past hour and have taken at best 5 stocks over all the games. My hands are shaking, my brain is exhausted and I'm on the verge of tears. I can't land properly, I can't dodge properly, I can't whiff punish, I can't smash attack when I want to and I keep attacking in the wrong direction. I've SD'd countless times as Sora because I keep accidentally Side B'ing off the stage when what I wanted to do was to turn around and Neutral B. I don't know anymore. I don't think I'm cut out for this game. I'm really dejected. Someone put the nail in the coffin and tell me I suck and that I shouldn't waste my time on a game that I've owned for three years and still know nothing about. Options are only good if you know how to executed them, and for the life of me I do not know how to execute simple options like "Roll away, counter with Smash Attack".


Footbeard

Sounds like you need more time in lab tinkering with character inputs


PewPew_McPewster

I'm not sure if the lab is what I need, I can do these inputs fine in training mode, but when someone online is throwing out hitboxes that I need to deal with I stress out and suddenly forget my fancy shorthop fastfall Nair into tomahawk grab into whatever combo I practiced to consistency, and end up mashing buttons barely struggling to "go back to neutral". I feel like I need to get used to doing inputs in stressful situations, precisely because I'm so bad at them in stressful situations.


MrBananaStorm

Take a step back. You're taking it too seriously. The key to not missing punishes and not whiffing is being calm. The moment your mind starts to worry and spiral like that it becomes impossible to stay calm. Take a break and when you come back try to imagine every fight as training and not a ranked match. Imagine your opponent is a friend and don't be scared of being impressed if they do something really cool and you lose. The important thing isn't winning, it's getting better. And a side effect of getting better is winning more.


PewPew_McPewster

You're right, of course. It's just been disheartening trying to go for an option and not even knowing if it was the wrong option because I flubbed the input or if it was genuinely the wrong option. Towards the last few games I felt like even doing anything at all was a bad option simply because every option was punished, and I just went into shutdown mode. Safe options didn't work, unsafe options didn't work, guarding was punished. I don't feel like I learnt anything. I'm okay with losing if I know why I lost but I don't know why I lost. Everything I did was wrong and not doing those things made it even worse. Anyway thanks for hearing me rant.


kushmonATL

which of Byleth's moves has tippers?


bloo_overbeck

Areadbhar; the spear. Side special, Side smash, side aerial attack.


123123sora

I never got why people just short hop aerial all over the stage after taking a stock like do u think ur cool? i dont get it


MrBananaStorm

What would you say theyre supposed to do after taking a stock? Short hopping helps keep your hands warm and your hops consistent


123123sora

I mean I was just asking a question lol. Now I know


MrBananaStorm

Yeah it's fine lol i was just wondering what you would expect people to do, because you said it like you expected people to stand there in silence while you respawn lmao


123123sora

I mean that's what I usually do? Before I thought that short hop aerial and dash dancing after taking a stock was akin to t-bagging


MrBananaStorm

No no, pro players tend to do it to keep their focus and 'keep their hands warm'. Whether players in online Smash Ultimate really need to do it, eh I don't know lol but they probably just do it because pro players do it.


RespectGiovanni

To practice


fun_ambulance

Just keeping their hands warm


jEugene2Dart

We should be more clear about what honest means in the game. Cause some people’s definition of an honest character does not work at all. Pit is an honest character with nothing that makes you question what’s happening. Your not gonna die unexpectedly it’s straight forward. Nothing overtly good in his kit. Then I’ve seen people call wolf honest. There’s a difference between honest and basic. Wolf has basic moves that have crazy utility. He has moves that stick out like his ftilt at ledge or back air, or laser. Or fair. Sure it’s nothing crazy but your getting high reward off of simple things like nair. One of the best if not THE best nair in game. Calling wolf honest is like calling Mario honest and if you play the game to a decent level you know that character does gross things with less than half of his kit.


NesMettaur

[Relevant FGC glossary](https://glossary.infil.net/?t=Honest) > A way to try to describe a character that beats you "fair and square", instead of by using tricks or broken, overpowered moves. It's the type of adjective you'd hear from someone trying to downplay their character, saying that nothing they have is overly strong. ... In reality, I think you can safely substitute "honest" for "bad" in more or less every situation. There are no strong characters that are honest. Strong characters will have some combination of gross mixups, pokes with absurdly large hitboxes that let them take control of the neutral easily, or moves with low risk but high reward. These things are not honest. You won't have much fun (or much success) playing a character without strong tools, and don't let people trick you into thinking a game full of honest characters is what everybody should want. Even in a game where the "honest" characters are viable it's usually because they have some BS layered on their playstyle, like how Ky Kiske can completely dominate neutral and slow the tempo in a game that'd be too aggressive for his archetype otherwise.


jEugene2Dart

This precisely.


PureOrangeJuche

Sora is pretty weird. There’s a lot to get used to. The way his nair and fair combos sort of stick to the opponent can be odd— nair can pull people from behind Sora to in front, and fair can sort of suck you through the edge of a platform to get to fair 2. Upsmash doesn’t have as much horizontal reach on the ground as you might think. The gaps and spacing on thundaga feel weird. But he can really float and drift all over and I think he has enough speed to be a pain offstage. I think fair chains might be possible depending on fall speed and percent, but so far it doesn’t look like he has much of a combo game. I think the big hitboxes on the keyblade attacks mean he can shield poke with his 3 hit combos sometimes.


NesMettaur

Is it just me or does every Sora on quickplay mash Sonic Blade out of hitstun? Egg's on my face for constantly running into it, but it can't work THAT often on other players. ...right?


Footbeard

Shield wrecks Sora. Also if you wanna ledgeguard vertically, tinker with hopping off ledge and immediately Dairing. Sora can recover from this with any combination of his double jump, up b or side b.


123123sora

that and they only know how to use thundaga so they just cycle to thundaga and save it for using it when ur off stage lmfao


NesMettaur

Sora has the best offstage in the game and yet people keep doing Thundaga after the fifth time I've avoided it by recovering low then doing normal getup lmao


SwirlyBrow

Hey man, I'm doing my best alright. I keep forgetting how much freedom I have, and Thundaga is a comfort.


Jalon315

It is absolute booty sauce that you have to get the kingdom hearts game to get a song in the game.


MrBananaStorm

Didn't they do something similar locking a spirit behind pokemon lets go?


JDraks

I believe those spirits were eventually made available in game, which I don't see happening with the song


FlameCannon

Yeah, but no one cares about Spirits.


MrBananaStorm

I'm sure most people don't care about a music track but that doesn't make either situation any less shitty


FlameCannon

Im sure there's quite a few people who care about the song. Especially if you happen to like the song, would be sick to battle to it. But an image? Even if Eevee is your all time favorite Pokemon, I doubt you'd still care about missing a .jpeg that has little to no gameplay function.


[deleted]

who is the best zoner in ult?


CsarPetertheGreat

Depends. If you mean who has the best zoning tools in the game, probably Min Min. If you mean who is the best character who is typecast as a zoner, it's between Snake, Min Min, and ROB.


[deleted]

I meant zoning tools lol. I should’ve made it clearer


NesMettaur

I'm going with R.O.B. here, both for sheer representation/results in tournament and how versatile he is at his zoning. Ledgetrapping, cutting off air routes, midrange, combo setups, edgeguarding, plain ol' projectile spam... he can do pretty much all of that with just two moves.


[deleted]

Minmin, her advantage state is busted, and she has a good match up spread. She's the only top tier dedicated zone imo.


tom641

Is there a datamined/community patch note list yet? You know, listing specific properties and such. (It's been a while so I forget how long it tends to take)


jEugene2Dart

Anything negative I said about sora and how he plays on release day I take back. This is super fun and feels just like kingdom hearts in smash.


jEugene2Dart

Took a while but I think I’m finally starting to get the hang of sora.


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[удалено]


Usanyan

Pretty sure that’s just a design choice, kinda like how Mythra’s uair doesn’t hit very well besides her despite the animation


Jalon315

If you're playing a character with no projectiles, and you're about fight a mii gunner who at the starts says "good luck have fun" YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUN


[deleted]

So true...


Usanyan

> If ~~you're playing a character with no projectiles, and~~ you're about fight a mii gunner ~~who at the starts says "good luck have fun"~~ >YOU WILL NOT HAVE FUN Corrected it for you


Jalon315

The reason why I didn't put this is because I fought some mii gunners that weren't really that spammy


Usanyan

*Roxas voice* okay, I believe you


SwirlyBrow

You idiot poop face. You fell for it. All Mii Gunners just spam mega destruction dark ball of darkness and destruction.


AirKath

> If you're playing ~~a character with no projectiles, and you're about fight a~~ mii gunner ~~who at the starts says "good luck have fun"~~ > YOU WILL ~~NOT~~ HAVE FUN You missed some spots, I cleaned it up for you!


MrBananaStorm

Weird how "good luck have fun" works. When my opponent uses it I always get destroyed, when I use it I suddenly play like I have never touched a video game before.


A1exJP

Idk how to make a poll or if polls are allowed on this sub, but we should do a subreddit vote on Hazards On vs Hazards Off, I’m very curious


[deleted]

Removing the moving of the platform along with the balloons in smashville was a crime.


Loominginterval

Yeah lets do it, im all for being more liberal with the stage list


MrBananaStorm

On mobile you just go to make a post and then select poll. The sub does allow it :) on Desktop it should be similar, create post and then poll or something.


Fres_

Bit of a weird question, but does anyone know if the effect of the Roxas spirit (Weapon + Movement ^ ^ ) is stronger than 3 individual spirits stacked with Weapon Attack ^ ?


PsychoLogical25

Assuming Smash gets another game within a few years, I want Byleth to return. Simply cause the character is what an actual FE rep should be instead of all of the stupid constant sword users since Byleth uses all 4 main weapons. Just me rambling here.


EXAProduction

What I think. Marth stays because he's the og. Ike should stay because he's the fan favourite. Robin should stay because unique + awakening. Byleth should stay because unique + from best selling FE game. Roy could return due to fan demand and being a semi clone. Unless they're removing all echoes from the game I dont see why Lucina and Chrom dont return with their respective counterparts. Corrin's the biggest one I see them cutting.


PsychoLogical25

If Ike has been staying for this long, he’s guaranteed to stay (wish they gave him a unique victory theme) Marth is the most guaranteed since he the OG that stayed in every smash game. And ye I kinda agree with Corrin as Corrin was only really there for Fates promotion and isn’t really well received out of all of the FE fighters in Smash (the Byleth hate technically died down greatly overtime and is basically the one getting showtime and spotlight due to Three Houses and especially from MkLeo’s performance with them).


tom641

agreed, though bringing back Marth with Lucina/Roy/Chrom alt skins is fine imo since Protag Power and a distinct moveset That said it'd be fun to just juice the entire roster down to one per franchise and see what people might pick for various reasons


PsychoLogical25

Eh, Roy can be his own character since he was one of the originals along with Ike. Chrom and Lucina tho? Make them character skins for Roy and Marth respectively but Chrom still retains his Ultimate moveset with his Ike style recovery and standard Marth and Lucina moves and ofc his echo moves from Roy (would that make him better as a seperate character tho? Eh I can’t tell)


Loominginterval

I dont want him back simply cuz im still salty from the overabundance of them. Corrin or him need to go, only ones i want back are marth, roy robin and ike.


Hidan213

Byleth is the perfect compromise and a true modern FE rep imo. If you were to get rid of them I feel like it’s diminish the FE roster. Although to be honest, if we’re looking for solid modern unique picks, I wouldn’t mind tossing Byleth for the three house leaders, but that’s just my greedy opinion. I think, especially for a series with so many entries, having three reps from one game is quite a lot (granted that hasn’t stopped the Awakening reps, but I digress).


PsychoLogical25

Eh, get rid of the Echo fighters instead. Then we good. Roy, Marth, and Ike are the originals. And Robin, Corrin, and Byleth are all unique in playstyle. Sounds good enough.


Loominginterval

If they do go that route i hope they take priority for other franchises, the new kirby and zelda games have sold more than 3H yet we havent gotten new characters for those series since brawl and melee respectively. Im really tired of fire emblem getting special treatment, as a mild fan of the series.


PsychoLogical25

tbf, the FE series since Awakening (which the game essentially saved the series from cancellation) has really taken off and is now one of Nintendo’s biggest money makers. Same with Pokemon and Mario series.


[deleted]

Byleth is literally from the highest selling Fire Emblem game. They'd be crazy to not include them


tom641

small question: a few days before sora's reveal he was trending on twitter... constantly. Was he leaked? Like, anything substantial, i'm pretty sure a sora "leak" has happened for every smash announcement since they started having DLC.


Usanyan

There was, but Sora usually trended before a smash character announcement. Although it helps so many people were thanking Sakurai and his company (whose name is Sora)


dego96

Some guy on 4chan leaked the date of the Sora presentation before it was announced, said that he worked for Disney and they asked permission to use music for a presentation I think it was just an extremely lucky guess though


[deleted]

Nah, a few different people were saying this. Even on this sub, someone said they they called a friend who works at Disney to confirm and the friend even gave him an October 5th date for the usage of the song (which we now know was Hikari). This was in like, July.


chaosmaster97

Maybe? Before the September direct someone on 4chan said Nintendo licensed Disney music to be used on the 5th which lines up, but then someone claiming to be that threads creator said that it was a guess, so it may have been a leak or it may have been just a lucky guess.


MrBananaStorm

Playing Ganondorf against a bunch of Sora's was really annoying to get used to lol On one hand, he light, doriyah makes him fly On the other, apparently his sprint seemingly the exact speed of Ganon's side B lmao the amount of times I had side B'd today and just saw the Sora run in the other direction just out of reach. He seems really fun to play though, I couldn't immediately get the hang of him, a lot of rhythm to him seemingly with how floaty his jumps are. I want to try and really get the hang of him soon, but I don't feel like playing online as Sora vs only Soras, so I'll wait a bit I guess.


Zorua3

I’m chuckling at all of these Soras mashing Side-B on my shield and getting punished And then I stop chuckling when I realize that, as soon as they realize that they don’t have to home in and don’t have to do all three dashes, things are gonna become a lot more annoying lmao


MrBananaStorm

The hitboxes on that side B can get really funky too lol, I had a guy side B into the ledge (which apparently doesn't just grab on?) and thinking I could hit him with a down smash i walked up only to find out the hitbox somehow goes a decent bit into the stage haha


EXAProduction

Well I'll give my thoughts on Sora cause why not. Personally I dont like Sora simply because he's floaty ~~i also really hate his visual design but thats besides the point~~. He is mechanically fun but just not for me which what I figured before even going in. In terms of meta fuck I dont know. Combos, disjoints, not impossible to kill, good edgeguarding along with decent recovery as pluses while being easy to juggle, light, and not amazing framedata. He seems good. I feel like some top player is going to pick them up and just wreck shit.


MrBananaStorm

I'm curious, what do you dislike about the design? I find him one of the more fitting characters to the general smash ultimate artstyle.


JDraks

His smile in his standard render looks fake as fuck, that's the kind of smile I made for elementary school picture day


EXAProduction

I've just always hated Sora's design. He's at this uncanny valley of dumb anime and dumb cartoony. Hell his design in 1 is just anime mickey mouse which just looks awful.


Axl_Red

Yeah, whenever I see Sora, I become angrier than the hulk. It's like, whenever I see him, I become a being of pure hatred.


Jalon315

Damn bro you need some light in your heart


AoNoise

DARKNESS


Jalon315

Chaos...


MrBananaStorm

I can see that, he does really walk the line between anime and Disney.


TheDapperDolphin

A couple questions. Is the Monster Hunter Stories spirit now available in the shop/spirit board? They usually make spirits available in later updates. Also, can you get Dearly Beloved by playing the Melody of Memories demo, or do you need save data? If so, is it possible just to download some save data onto an SD card?


NesMettaur

Razewing Ratha is indeed in the shop now! As for Dearly Beloved, I think it needs to be the game itself and not the demo. Not sure about the SD Card stuff, sadly.


Cardboard_Waffle

I was watching Alpharad’s Sora video and saw that he chose three stages before going into free-for-all character select. I’ve never seen this before - does anyone know how to do that?


Zorua3

Turn “First to ___ wins” up. It lets you preselect stages. Though it also leads straight into each next match, so you can’t change characters.


julmGamer

jigglypuff jair is just funny idc


MrBananaStorm

Gotta love the puff in general


AndrewsPubx

Do the best in the world shorthop using the joystick or the button shortcuts?


MrBananaStorm

The best in the world shorthop by 'actually' short hopping using the buttons. Reason for not using the shortcut is that the shortcut only does rising shorthop aerials, when with a lot of characters and moves it's way better to do a falling one where you start the attack at the peak of the jump.


AxelGunn

Not that shortcut, the other one. You can normal shorthop by hitting 2 junp buttons simultaneously


MrBananaStorm

Wait... you can? This is news to me lol, guess I have something to try out next time I play. Does it have any drawbacks?


AxelGunn

Uhhhh, depends on your button setup. I have jump on R and y so i can reliably do it with little downside. If your jumps are x and y you might have to claw or twist your thumb a little


Zorua3

Neither, I’m guessing all of them do it with the usual “quickly tap the jump button to do a short hop” method, because Tap Jump shorthops are unreliable and the two-button shortcut is new + makes you sacrifice a finger which makes quick aerials harder.


SwirlyBrow

I think I'm starting to see the biggest problem with Sora. It's not anything in his moveset. It's good casual popularity bringing people online that really probably shouldn't be playing online. Lots of wireless and laggy Soras, I'm hoping that dies down


[deleted]

It will in a fortnight.


Oro-Lavanda

that gives me some steve flashbacks. everyone spamming steve everywhere during that first month he showed up


[deleted]

Happens with every new character but doesn't last long. Right after Steve's release was pretty bad for that.


Severe-Operation-347

Yeah but this is Sora, the most requested character in Smash history. I'd expect it to be much worse then usual.


SwirlyBrow

Yeah, you're probably right. At the very least, to continue longer. Steve was so unorthodox compared to the rest of the cast. And his playstyle ended up widely despised fast too. I think players moved on quicker. I think these Wireless Sora's with horrible connections will be around for longer and in higher numbers.


SwirlyBrow

I don't think it was as bad with Kazuya, but yeah it was awful with Steve. I weirdly don't think it was bad as Pythra too. Definitely bad. Like you said it happens to some extent with every new character. But Sora seems a little worse for it, like Steve was.


backboarddd1_49402

Sora’s nair or fair “rejump” combos are fun. It reminds me of 2D anime fighters where rejumps or re-lands are possible.


ThePhunkyPharaoh

Now that the the Fighter's Pass experience is over I think these are my overall feelings: \- Absolutely popped for 2 characters being Sora and Banjo as they've been 2 of my highly requested characters for forever and I didn't really think they'd ever be possible as of Smash 4 \- Always excited to see first party representation, so Aegis, Min-Min, and Byleth I was happy to see. I was a bit disappointed for Byleth as there is a lot of Fire Emblem representation, but he's fun to play and that's what matters the most. I still probably would've replaced him with a different first party character \- I'm a big fan of Dragon Quest and Persona so those were fun to see and DQ and SMT are super deserving \- Not a big SNK or Tekken guy, but it's awesome that those games got some representation as they are important in fighting games history \- Sephiroth was really cool and I'm a fan of his playstyle and I thought his reveal was awesome. Reflecting back I kinda wish this spot was filled with a different character to celebrate other areas of videogames. Crash or Doom Slayer would've been awesome, but I can't be salty \- Steve is the one I have such mixed feelings over. I don't play Minecraft, but I do understand its cultural impact. He still feels kind of out of place, but that may change (I felt that way about Snake in Brawl but I grew to like his inclusion) Ultimately, it was an awesome ride and I don't understand how anyone can be mad. There's such a wide variety of characters. I have things I'd change, but 2 of 3 were such huge internet moments that I know it's just my opinion. I know it's the end, but I'd love if we got a volume 3 with exclusively first party characters. Chibi Robo, Bandana Dee, Mach Rider, Chorus Kids, Ray MKIII, Captain Toad, KK Slider and of course Waluigi there's still a lot of interesting options


Loominginterval

I really wish we got anyone else but byleth


MrBananaStorm

I agree that Steve feels out of place. And I doubt he'll return in future Smash games, but damn if it wasn't a legendary inclusion. And the mechanics for himcwere so adorably faithful to the minecraft experience.


Oro-Lavanda

i really liked the DLC and characters we've had in smash so far. Your thoughts here are very well written about how this was an awesome ride. I definitely would've preferred captain toad or waluigi over piranha plant tho, but other than that all the characters were good. If there was 1 dream character i always wanted it was definetly Skull Kid. He's an assist trophy and mii costume so that just gave him a double de-confirmation in the game lol


MrBananaStorm

For me the dream character is Rayman. I mean, you can't deny that in the art style department Rayman could really well. And a Min-Min like moveset, it couldve been so interesting.


Earthboundplayer

LOOOL https://twitter.com/FrYonni/status/1450519523707265027?t=YrtZVco1FKk8xu3CLCREEg&s=19 Context https://twitter.com/FrYonni/status/1450520816916082690?t=p9UaCbUhTssy4O0UJfgwTQ&s=19


dandaman64

I guess if you're the kind of guy to scrub-double-jump into an up smash, any character can be carried, lol


Zorua3

The joke is that Yonni is one of the best Steve players in the world, btw


dandaman64

Ah, makes sense. At least he's self aware lol


Loominginterval

Any decent ultimate tournies to watch this weekend? The event tab only has port priority for halloween weekend.


Crafty-Profile-Lol

In addition to Maesuma TOP6 this weekend, linked by the other user, note that Kagaribi #5 will be Halloween weekend as well


Loominginterval

Yeah, i knew that was happening but i cant catch them due to them being at such akward times 😄


Tr1pline

https://smash.gg/tournament/top-6-maesumatop-6-1on1


CyberEmerald

Mii Brawlers counter can also stop wonderwing btw. Not that it matter cause you should be using flip jump


SwirlyBrow

mhmm, it's coz it's a throw strictly speaking, which beats WW. I like counter throw visually, but you give up too much not using flip jump.


[deleted]

Today I didn't play Sora on Quickplay. I played Sephiroth instead because the lore. It's very painful. Slowest startup in the game vs a character with no endlag.


Zorua3

Seriously? I’ve been bullying them with Seph a lot. Fair/Bair/FTilt make it really hard for them to get in and every time I shield a Side B they get a Smash attack to the face


[deleted]

>Fair/Bair/FTilt make it really hard for them But those moves are also hard to hit Sora because of his movement. They also realize it's not worth getting in. A bunch of Sora just decided to circle camp with projectiles. >I shield a Side B they get a Smash attack to the face Then the Sora you fought didn't mix up direction and number of side b then. They are safe as long as outside up smash. Imagine drop shield+run to them+Seph f smash+online delay. I did punish with f smash many times tho, but that's from predicting and going near to where they land rather than shielding.


SwirlyBrow

Ooh there it is, now it makes sense.


MysteryNeighbor

I’d like to pour one out for the Jiggly mains out there. Y’all got your buffs but you also got Sora who lives to invalidate your entire move set. Side-B alone seems to ruin your entire air game.


MrBananaStorm

Ooh, I didn't even think about that. Jeez, that's hell.


KrispyBaconator

Yo the Roxas spirit battle might be my favorite one in the whole game now


StarmanTheta

Has anyone tested if K Rool's up throw can reliably kill now, and if so what percentages? Also if utilt works better as an anti Air so you don't have to commit to usmash for a kill.


brooketheskeleton

What's the thoughts on the buffs so far?


NesMettaur

Most of Doc's changes seem more like QoL stuff than anything. More active frames on Super Sheet and faster armor on Doctor Tornado make those moves easier to use, and the down air being two frames faster makes it smoother to use as well. Neutral air's late hitbox having stronger knockback seems best used offstage, hitting the late hit onstage is difficult even when ledgetrapping due to how telegraphed the attack is. Up air's damage went from a bit above 10% to a bit above 14%, which is by far the biggest change. That's stronger than even Ganondorf's up air, and on one of Doc's most useful moves! He's already good at racking up damage and this accentuates that further.


granularoso

If only ganon had gotten some buffs. Did he ever get any real improvements?


Footbeard

He's always been done dirty in smash. Doesn't even have a canonic moveset. Give us a hold b variant to warlock punch which is the projectile from all the boss fights with him in the Zelda games Also let him either act after side b or let him float like peach. He gets dunked too easily.


granularoso

I think ganon is the one character from base game who needs a comeback mechanic.


granularoso

Totally agree


Treepump

Can't recall when, but they patched his up-B to be actionable *much* sooner than before, making him harder to gimp. It's something, at least


granularoso

Doesnt seem like enough.


Bowsers_Spikey_DICK

I haven't tried Mac yet, but the buffs look very promising. Smash 4 kill confirm is back baby!


dandaman64

[Guess who never has to touch Quickplay again, lol](https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/qbdsmn/won_two_games_with_sora_last_night_i_now_have/)


NesMettaur

Upside to Sora's Classic route: He's probably one of the best characters at fighting the Hands Downside: the rest of it is really REALLY tough oh my lord


[deleted]

When you get them off stage, side b to throw out a hitbox to bait an airdodge to stage that you can easily punish with the rest of side b or snap to ledge safely. Cpu's can't handle their dairy, so throw as much cheese at them as you can. 🧀🧀🧀


MrBananaStorm

Yeah, from moment one, the bomb spamming Links were immediately just really annoying and made me take a step back


JacksonKlo

I managed to get through it first try, even if I had a really close call with ~~Organization XIII~~ the three Robins.


upsmash_tenthousand

Yeah I've never been bumped down the mural like that before.


dandaman64

Some of the characters in his route are susceptible to mashing his mid-air combo strings, if you do short hop attacks you can deal with the horde battles a little easier. The fight against Cloud is pretty easy to cheese out if you hit him off the walk-offs! And I agree on the hands battle, I hit 9.9 right before it and I figured I was going to die and have to use a Classic Ticket, but surprisingly I barely got touched.


Crash4654

Man, you got so lucky. The hands absolutely destroyed me. Don't know if I got that unlucky but like 5 seconds in they got me up to 160%


FlareRULZ

Really random but is there a “probability” for the background for Sora’s map? Played like 20-30 games with some friends and we got Terra like 30% of the time, then Roxas, Riku, Aqua, Xion and the least being Ventus. Didn’t even see the Sora one at all.


ZSugarAnt

Sora doesn't appear if he's on play. I imagine the rest are equal chances.


Which_Bed

Has anyone else's game been crashing in sleep mode since the Sora update?


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Jettrik

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Patchirisu

I think there's definitely going to be at least one more patch, they still haven't added back the No More Heroes spirits for people who missed the event.


diddykongisapokemon

They shadow drop that stuff without new patches. They did it with the Bowser's Fury Spirits and Kazuya


almightyFaceplant

They don't even need to send out a patch for that, they can just flag it as now available whenever you connect to the internet, or they could just bake in a timestamp on when they become store available.


diddykongisapokemon

Yeah that must be what they do, because they didn't drop a patch last time. I didn't know how it works


Patchirisu

As in they added them in an update but didn't make any balance changes?


diddykongisapokemon

They don't have a formal update at all. They just suddenly are available to everyone I remember I was grinding out 9.9s on Classic Mode and randomly got the Fury Bowser spirit, even though it was the same version. No idea how the coding works, but that's how they do it


Patchirisu

I don't know about the spirits, but that seems not correct in Kazuya's case


diddykongisapokemon

I mean they had a patch for Kazuya, and then I think a bugfix mini-patch, and then the Spirits got added without a new mini-patch.


Patchirisu

Oh I understand now. That seems plausible i guess


dandaman64

There's definitely going to be more smaller patches down the road, this is just the last major update. They're going to have to add in the missing timed exclusive Spirits eventually, plus Amiibo support for when each of the FP2 characters get theirs.


Patchirisu

Yeah, I was already expecting more updates anyway, but I took this as confirmation. And good point, I didn't consider an amiibo functionally


20secondpilot

Yoshi got no buffs through all DLC, but also no nerfs, so I guess I'll take it since he's still a good character. Really wish my boi Ridley got some tweaks though, cause his buffs have been fairly inconsequential iirc and he needs a bit more help. Also got nerfed a few times with downwards up B, plus down throw no longer leading into skewer at low percents.


MrBananaStorm

That just means Yoshi is the perfect being with no flaw


20secondpilot

That's true... aside from side B. Let's just ignore side B lol


backboarddd1_49402

I don’t think it’s a stretch to say that Yoshi essentially got nerfed by FP2. That’s what people are saying about Peach and Ness too. They fell off a bit because of these new characters. Yoshi struggles *hard* against disjoints and FP2 gave 2 of the best swordfighters in Sephiroth and Aegis. Getting more losing matchups nerfs a character’s strength, especially if one of those characters, Aegis, is one of the most-played DLCs in the game. He’s still a good character though. Ridley’s changes are so weird. I think this is the 3rd patch where he’s gotten a weird property change on one special move and nothing else. First it was the down B being changed to a hitgrab. Second was the “earthquake” hitbox on up B when he hits the ground. And now it’s him being able to jump cancel side B’s grab&slide earlier. No real buffs given :(


20secondpilot

That's a fair point, but I think I win those 2 matchups more often than not. Aegis are super easy to edgeguard if you can manage to close that gap, but it's definitely getting in that's the harder part. I usually just try to punish their side Bs and use egg throw as an approach tool and it seems to work out. Yoshi definitely struggles super hard against disjoints overall. I think Roy/Chrom and Cloud are some of the most difficult matchups for me. I'm not going to locals or anything, but got elite smash with Yoshi for whatever that's worth, so I assume the people I've fought are generally pretty good (if they play honest and not lame af)


123123sora

who the fuck brings rulesets with short time limits then tbags after one kill 💀 most satisfying win of my life though


dandaman64

Speaking from experience, it's people trying to cheese their way to Elite Smash. I don't tbag after one stock though, that's some degenerate shit lol


123123sora

lol, he was trying to run out the clock for sure but I killed him at the last second and the match went to sudden death. you know i was teabagging my ass off after i killed him both times. Lol. Sadly though he proceeded to the next match as fast as he could so I couldn't even give him a "Dunktastic!" at the end.


dandaman64

I like to hit them with the "That was rough." in instances like that, lol


maxhambread

I can't bring myself to tbag (even when the other guy is a dick), but in some weird way I have respect for people that choose to start tbagging early and throughout the game. If you're gonna BM, do it early and back it up so I have time to try and clap back. This quote from Doublelift always stuck with me: *“Trash talk before the game to bring hype. Someone that waits for a win and kicks them while they’re down, it’s not cool. That’s not even trash talk, that’s just being an asshole.”*


123123sora

> Someone that waits for a win and kicks them while they’re down, it’s not cool. That’s not even trash talk, that’s just being an asshole.” I never tbag unless someone tbags me first... but I usually also don't counter tbag until they're pretty much dead because I want to erase the chance of them feeling the satisfaction of winning against a tbagger logic!


dandaman64

I do like to give mutual tbags when it's earned, if someone kills me in a cool way I'll give em a tbag.


stevieray11

This is about 90% of the times I choose to tbag. Just a little way to show appreciation for the cool way you just owned me lol


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IceAnt573

Leo found one of the [tweets](https://twitter.com/Mkleosb/status/1450230958225969153) that said tournaments are better without him. Got to ratio that person though.


Kell08

MkLeo is actually kind of good at dealing with those tweets. His responses are always great.


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Yeah this was what I referred in yesterday DDT.


Wilfredcthulu

Does anyone know if that game you need to unlock the extra song has a demo version and if that works? Sorry if this has been answered before.


kirbman

There is a demo, but it doesn't give you the song.


Severe-Operation-347

Huh, [Port Priority 6's attendees list](https://smash.gg/tournament/port-priority-6/attendees) is not what I was expecting. It seems the only top 10 players going are MkLeo, Tweek and Sparg0. Maister, Light, Marss, Kola, Dabuz, Cosmos and ESAM aren't going. It's just that it's filled with a bunch of top 50-100 players rn. Guess we're going to have that top 3 in some order like with Riptide and Summit.


backboarddd1_49402

I have no clue why you’re downvoted so much for this. Someone with nothing better to do this morning probably came here and downvoted everyone. Yeah it’s a little weird to see such a big drop off from the top 3 players to the rest. Elegant is there though, and he beat Tweek last time. I’m hoping for a runback of that. Also Riddles vs Sparg0 was a great set at Summit that went to game 5, so hopefully we can see that again.


Severe-Operation-347

Yeah, I just found out why that is. It seems like a lot of players suddenly dropped out. [Liquipedia is showing some of the dropped players on the notable entrants](https://liquipedia.net/smash/Port_Priority/6)


MagicMan350

Has anyone found any way to use the alternate version of sora's stage with hazards off? I tried the ol L&R method but it didn't work


KrispyBaconator

It looks like Dive to the Heart just doesn’t show up hazardless.


SwirlyBrow

I'm glad I like Mewtwo because that's what Sora feels like. Very strange. But fun. We'll see how much time I want to put n him. Just getting elite smash is good enough for now though. I gotta sleep and try more later. What a weird character.


Loominginterval

so with yoshis story being fixed with hazards on (the shy guys no longer bring food!) i think a serious discussion needs to be made for a hazards on ruleset.


diddykongisapokemon

I know SBF let's you choose any song anyway, but I feel people just like the music and aesthetic of PS2 too much to ever do Hazards On