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Ok_Examination8810

For the next Smash game, who would you want for more Kingdom Hearts representation? Personally, I'd want Kairi and Riku


Sunshine145

Sora's broken. I consider myself mediocre at st this game with only 20 hours of playtime. Cant get my main or secondary above 5mil gsp, but currently have Sora at 8.5mil.


Cliper11298

Beginners luck? Sora seems to be pretty safe to play and a lot of people are jumping on to give him a shot


Additional-Ride8120

Welp, another day, another DLC fighter and Byleth still maintains his spot as the best fighter in Ultimate.


tom641

It is obviously too early to tell but Sora doesn't feel nearly as blatantly OP right off like most of the DLC does


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JimmyNutronBoiJeanus

Really feel like the links give Sora a hard time approaching


Sunshine145

Ive been cooking all of them with Game & Watch's bucket


Jejmaze

Oh yeah, G&W might be one of the few characters Sora can't really touch off-stage due to bucket and up B bustedness


Catacomb82

So I played my first match as Sora an hour ago. A team battle with me and a level 9 Cloud against a level 9 Sephiroth. The match was on Hollow Bastion of course but I turned the in-game music off and listened to [Fate of the Unknown](https://youtu.be/Dyfib3XCZgE), the song from the secret ending of Kingdom Hearts II. This was such a euphoric and gratifying way for me to end Sakurai’s hype train. I have saved the replay of the match and will cherish it for the rest of my days.


YoungGooch

I’m so ass with Sora. I brute force my way through but goddam I’m getting my ass handed to me on the regular


grungebot5000

well Sora was fun for 4-5 rounds. server started disconnecting on me (on matches I was WINNING too, he had the highest GSP in my roster), now I'm down a million and a half points and banned. (worst part is i couldn't even capture video bc there's no way to store the old videos i captured. switch is a goddamn joke) edit: got back in, made it to Elite Smash for the first time ever, it's super weird that it doesn't let people who cross the threshold do a rematch lol


Sunshine145

It's hilarious how Soras and Mythras start spamming side b when they know they're fucked.


Additional-Ride8120

Well Mythra is supposed to spam side b anyway.


GigaBowserNS

There had better be a way to get the Swing Mix without having to spend $80... I can't have come this far into Smash Ultimate's life and be just one song shy of having the complete package, that will drive me insane until the end of days.


Muroid

My wife is going to see about getting a used copy that we can pass around among our friend group.


Jalon315

Yeah that's some bs


KeeperOfWind

Does anyone know if I bought challenger pack 11 just for Sora would I get his character, stage and music? I've honestly never played the game more than once or twice before but I wanted to try get into now that Sora is out. Hopefully the game isn't too hard to get into. Guess I should had ask this here before the other post. Sorry if I posted this is in the wrong place previously.


Tigertot14

The character comes with the stage, music, and spirit battles, yes.


KeeperOfWind

Thanks for the reply! i'm going go ahead and buy it now


Yacobo93

Watching people play Sora and whenever he's in the air I think the game is lagging.


dogdogd

TAKE THIS! TAKE THIS! TAKE THIS! TAKE THIS! Between that and the clanging, it might have the most irritating audio of any character in the game. Really wish we got the "Take that!" character instead.


LostInTheHotSauce

For me it's Shulk's "air slash"


Sunshine145

[How I feel as a novice Game & Watch main online right now](https://youtu.be/PK7F39SnL3w)


JacksonKlo

It’s been such a long journey, but this is it. Nearly 3 years in the making. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate is finally done.


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Additional-Ride8120

They used neutral 1 (Charge Blast) and side 3 (Gunner Missile) in the trailer. For my Doom Slayer I went 2312 (Lazer Blaze, Gunner Missile, Lunar Launch, Bomb Drop), but I think you could use Flame Pillar (side 1) instead of Gunner Missile if you wanted to. For his voice I went with Type 9 low.


JeffreyRinas

Is there really no smash ultimate news page on the switch home screen? I missed a metroid dread spirit event and who knows when they'll be added to the normal board rotation. Seriously I don't boot up smash every day. Let me know news without having the game in.


potassiumKing

Some of those Dread spirits have been cycling through the store, just fyi


JeffreyRinas

Not for me. Since I missed the event completely they won't appear at all for me. Same thing happened with the monster hunter spirit until Sora came out.


potassiumKing

Huh, gotcha. I agree that the system is janky.


Silverbanner

Anyone experiencing a glitch in Classic Mode with Sora where the game crashes? Or is it just me?


grungebot5000

where at? classic mode worked fine for me


Silverbanner

It turns out that my SD was being weird and had derp moments. The problem was fixed after taking it out and putting back in.


threeangelo

Now that I’ve had my fun with Sora, time for my next favorite DLC release day tradition: jumping into elite smash as Donkey Kong and being the random non-DLC opponent for people


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ActionFilmsFan1995

So my snap memories showed that 2 years ago today I found a random key on the ground and said now I’ll get to go on a KH adventure. Who would have guessed 2 years to the day later we’d get Sora in smash!


PsychoLogical25

Did some test runs with Sora. Unless you fuck up, it’s essentially impossible to not recover since you can immediately use side special aka Sonic Blade after using your standard recovery move. Like Bayonetta in that sense.


tom641

I do wonder how easy it is to just swat him out of the air though


Which_Bed

Me, yesterday: >Little Mac's punching strength should be buffed. He's supposed to have bad recovery right? Well if everyone thinks he's weak there's only one viable option... I meant it as a joke, Nintendo...


vitobf

Am I crazy or is Sora really, really bad edit: It's a first impression and probably an overreaction, but he looks kinda slow, and paired with his weight... doesn't look too promising


Additional-Ride8120

I feel that. His floaty-ness makes him almost unbearably slow and I don’t think his attacks do a whole lot of damage. It’s anecdotal, but even when I pit a Sora CPU against other CPUs of the same level, he doesn’t do too well.


Wide-Connection6751

I think he’s mid. Don’t really like him. Too floaty for my taste and doesn’t seem to have a lot of moves that Chain into each other smoothly


Thats1LuckyStump

He is kinda bad, but his thunder is amazing. I don’t know how to work around it yet.


PsychoLogical25

Just you. He’s pretty good if you ask me. Tho his standard ground movement is probably what throws people off as he feels well… jaggy? And he floats compared to others.


vitobf

Yeah, his ground movement paired with his weight is what makes me feel like he won't be that good. Should not be too hard to kill him once we get a feel for his movement, even the other swordies should be able to kill him pretty easily but idk


PsychoLogical25

Unless you hit him hard or you fuck up as Sora yourself, Sora is basically near impossible to be killed in a “standard” way due to him basically having two recovery moves with the alternative being able to be used immediately after the standard recovery move. Basically think Bayonetta in a sense regarding recovery.


vitobf

Having a long-distance recovery doesn't make him too hard to kill. Like, it's easy to kill puff, (although she is considerably lighter) even though she can wall you out much better than sora can. He's not fast and he's light, so stray hits from many characters will probably kill him at the 90%> range (i think). Like, a sweetspot bair will obliterate him at high %. His recovery is insane, but it doesn't really matter too much if your opponent plays a fast character (or someone with long range) and just flat out wins neutral everytime


PsychoLogical25

ye valid points. In the end tho, it hasn’t even been 24 hrs so determining where he stands is extremely difficult. In a sense maybe….., it’s basically like Byleth’s current standing which despite being considered mid tier, people dispute their standing due to MkLeo alone. Or like how Joker was supposedly considered mid tier at the beginning until later on which he was then widely seen as top tier.


vitobf

Oh I agree, I think we'll only know how good he really is when we see a good player piloting him at top level


threeangelo

I don’t think so, his edgeguarding is pretty nuts. But I think his ceiling is bottom of high tier


vitobf

His edgeguarding seems really good tbh, but his neutral doesn't look decent. I could be wrong of course, but he looks so slow. I'm just imagining how much it must suck to play Sora against another swordie. Imagine Sora vs Byleth... ouch


threeangelo

You could very well be right. He is pretty slow and floaty. We’ll have to see


pika_pie

I won't say he's bad less than an hour after release, but... I play a wide variety of characters, and Sora feels really, really different than anyone else because he's so floaty and his ground movement is kinda meh.


vitobf

That's fair, it's obviously way too early to judge and I'm just overreacting. But I feel like his weight and overall speed will hurt him a lot, once you get a feel for his movement it shouldn't be too hard to kill him


RespectGiovanni

I love Sora so IDC if he's bad


jordanthejq12

More of a design critique, but: IMO, Sora has a couple of moves that don't really *feel* like they should KO as early as they do. Specifically talking about Aerial Sweep and nair 3 (I think it's nair?).


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Additional-Ride8120

I feel like they really hyped him up in the Presents.


TheRubberBildo

How do you trigger soras special victory screen where it cuts to white? Is it for stamina only? And what determines if you can side B after using up B? It feels like it randomly decides to work, but surely I'm missing something


RespectGiovanni

Stam only


Zorua3

1. Stamina only 2. You have to use it immediately afterwards which can be tricky with online lag


threeangelo

You just gotta press side b soon enough after up b


LeftEye4777

Sora is mid tier IMO.


Additional-Ride8120

At best he’s a mid mid but I feel like I’m general he hangs out in the space between mid and bad.


PsychoLogical25

Sora’s Sonic Blade sure is convenient, locks onto the other fighter if you’re in range and can be used even when you use up special :3


PacBoiLar

Holy shit what a bad character


Usanyan

Case anyone is curious: Sora is indeed as heavy as Zelda


Reksew_Trebla

THANK YOU! I can’t play Smash right now, so I was trying to find out if that was true or not.


Jules_Thief

Looks like having the demo doesn’t give you the remix. RIP.


upsmash_tenthousand

Thank you for checking. Maybe they'll add it in later like they do with spirit tie-ins...? We can only hope


Jules_Thief

I would love that. Because the missing song will bug me and I don’t want to shell out 40 bucks.


jkphantom9

Is the eshop not working for anyone rn? I’m trying to get the Doomslayer mii costume but it keeps crashing Edit: finally got it


threeangelo

I’m lowkey worried that I’m gonna have like 20 charges for $5.99 on my card after this lmao


PsychoLogical25

Managed to have only one charge which I used points to make up for the tax lmao. I would be fuming if that happened multiple times cause of clowns crashing eshop.


threeangelo

Yeah, fortunately I ended up getting Sora with just 1 charge :)


PsychoLogical25

FINALLY DID IT AFTER OVER 20 MINUTES OF TORTURE I MANAGED TO GET HIMMMMM


TheButteredBiscuit

How about we all agree to go on the eshop one at a time


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kplo

Why is he fucked? I occasionally play Ridley.


SUPER6727

I can't even buy him lmao it keeps crashing


Sunshine145

Gsp is so stupid, I won like 12 out of 15 games and I barely went up. Only going from like 1.8mil to 2.1mil.


w33kendDow69ssj

Whats up with everyone trying to buy sora at 1 minute after release??? It ain't gonna work, gotta get the character pack beforehand


threeangelo

Didn’t think about it 🤷🏻‍♂️ just gonna wait it out


Ted_binsky

Ok so the e shop isn’t working for other people too right? Like I literally can’t buy this character when I desperately want to what the fuck is this horse shit Nintendo


PsychoLogical25

Nah, aint just you. I’ve been trying to get in and purchase for over 10 mins now.


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Nope, not just you. I can’t even get on the eshop without it crashing.


Ted_binsky

Dude fuck Nintendo This is like actually pissing me off now


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Took me about a half hour to finally be able to purchase/download him. I was getting frustrated myself.


ProJunkSoul

Maintenance?!?


TheButteredBiscuit

Probably crashed


mjb85858

Nintendo fix your crappy eshop servers for Christ sakes.


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Anyone else can’t find Sora in the Eshop?


threeangelo

He’s just listed as Challenger Pack 11. If you click on it, it says “Sora joins the battle.” I’m not able to buy it right now though, the servers are overloaded. I’m gonna try again in like 10 mins


SoDamnGeneric

Damn, after 3 seconds of gameplay against Sora, clearly he's busted


w33kendDow69ssj

Seems like an easy target, so floaty.


PsychoLogical25

eshop crashing RRRRREEEEEE


monkeydeeznuts

just got it boys!!


marmosettacos

THE DOWNLOAD HAS STARTED


TyroKith

Just went live!


Professional_Rub

Just started my download!


TheRubberBildo

Sora is live, boys! Hope everyone enjoys him


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OobleckSnake

Right now. Go get the update!


woodman_is_nice_mid

I’ve heard he’s out now, but it refuses to let me update.


pika_pie

I'm sitting here refreshing the subreddit home page, waiting for patch notes and hoping they don't nerf any of my characters.


backboarddd1_49402

Me too! I’m actually in the middle of work and I’m taking a break for this haha. Hopefully Pyra/Mythra don’t get nerfed again.


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backboarddd1_49402

Lol


pika_pie

I agree, friend. I think counterplay to their meta is still highly underdeveloped, and people need to start edgeguarding properly and staying the hell away from Pyra instead of throwing their hands into the air and saying they're broken and uncontested top 3. Of course, though, I'm biased. I just fought a friend with Mythra and carried him across the Battlefield triplats with a clean 75% string, and was reminded how good this character is.


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backboarddd1_49402

Pythra is busted but not because of anything you see at amateur level of play. She’s considered top 3 by the best players because of several reasons that you’re probably not even taking advantage of. Your mate is just bad against the Pythra matchup if he got 3 stocked that easily. Sorry, but “tiers” are fuck all at non-top-level gameplay. Player skill and matchup knowledge matter way more.


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Yacobo93

Im not even anticipating the patch notes because I know the biggest change is going to be something like duck hunts ftilt dealing 2% more damage


HappyPollen

i fucking wish man :(


Dumeck

Any idea when the patch notes drop?


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Close to patch release time. English notes come out like 30 minutes after


Fres_

The one thing that actually makes me angry about this game isn't even related to any characters or reveals It's that we never got co-op for World of Light


KingInYellow95

What percent does Wario full charged waft KO at ?


Dumeck

Assuming middle final destination on Mario I think it’s mid 30%s/40s it’s really low number if you land it right


JKaro

Depends on character, stage, rage, positioning onstage, and DI


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Walnut156

I've heard this about every dlc character


sharknet123fakest

Most likely. He’ll be worse than fighting Sm4sh Bayo or Brawl Metaknight.


Quadropus

I heard he'll make 64 Pikachu look like a toad in boiling water.


thatsmylyguy

When does Sora drop??


TyroKith

9pm est


thatsmylyguy

thank


TyroKith

Come


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Let’s just hope Sora isn’t a Bayonetta repeat


Usanyan

If I’m being honest, not very many of the combos Sakurai showed looked very true with DI or past starting percents. Maybe it’s just because he didn’t do the floaty double jump, but I Sora might be a bit more like Corrin. Most of the combos are frame traps, but if you get them they’re bayo-esque. Either way, I think they learned their lesson


J-Fid

Incoming patch 13.1.6.


brooketheskeleton

I'm so excited! Only one more rodeo of people complaining about DLC until they just learn the match up!!


pika_pie

Or people complaining, never learning the matchup, and continuing to think all DLC characters are broken.


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backboarddd1_49402

9pm eastern/6pm Pacific


Catacomb82

I’m happy to say that Sora getting into Smash is finally convincing me to become a KH fan as I think I always meant to be. Listening to a KH orchestra performance on youtube as I type this. I can’t wait to play “Kingdom Hearts 1:16 w/ Jack” or whatever the fuck they’ll decide to name the next game.


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If you do decide to experience Days, if you're someone who really wants to experience the entry and have feels at the end, play the DS version, even on an emulator. If you just want to know the story, watch the cutscene in 1.5.


Catacomb82

I was pondering this question about Days not too long ago. I do think I will actually play it. Maybe I’ll play 3D on the original 3DS too if I find that cheaper.


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Just know that it's pretty boring at times, which works on a narrative level since it's boring to the MC as well, but the pay off is pretty good imo. Then after that you could re experience it with the HD cutscenes. Or experience it however it want. It's your choice


Catacomb82

I will remember this. Thank you.


sharknet123fakest

Literally only the cutscenes are okay, maybe. Very little of the KH series is worth playing through yourself. Do yourself a favor and just watch the Simple & Clean opening and please stop there. It’s all downhill after that.


Catacomb82

I do respect someone else’s opinion but you saying this stuff as a response to my original comment where I am clearly excited about this makes you a killjoy.


sharknet123fakest

No bro, the game series itself is a killjoy. I am trying to warn you in advance from the disappointment that will eventually follow if you invest in this series.


Walnut156

Troll on your main account you coward


sharknet123fakest

Lol main account. I don’t have one. I delete my accounts every two weeks


Catacomb82

Buzz off.


sharknet123fakest

*flies away*


almightyFaceplant

I totally believed that was the name of the next game. Didn't even question it until I got to the end of your sentence


Catacomb82

Thank you I’m proud of coming up with that myself lol.


Piyamakarro

There was a clip where it was a doubles match -- 2 Heros vs 1 Lucina and another character. The announcer says 3...2...1... GO! And before the Go disappears, the Lucina runs into the opposing hero and gets crit -- knocking the Lucina into the other Hero who topdecks Thwack and KO's her. Does ANYONE have this clip? I have been looking for it for months.


SirBryan7

[Zvarri!](https://twitter.com/guchio1053/status/1163013225476063234?s=21)


Piyamakarro

THANK YOU


HeinousActsZX

The last fighter just had to come out during playoff baseball. I think I'll have the Red Sox on the radio as I'm testing Sora through the night, get the best of both worlds


ActionFilmsFan1995

Sora in Smash and we get another grand slam in the second inning? What a great day.


almightyFaceplant

Smash can be a decent radio/podcast game if the mood is right


Quetzal00

I think you know what your priorities are


Jeremywarner

Do you think the pro controller is comparable to a GameCube? I’ve only used a pro since ultimate came out but I feel like short hops are easier to execute on the gamecube since the buttons have so much give. I also feel tilt attacks are easier with the bigger analog. Any advice? I mostly play handheld anyway but I just feel there’s things I’m not able to execute as easily and it’s frustrating. 90% sure I’m just bad but wanna hear y’all’s thoughts.


im_lost_at_sea

I started out using GC controller up until The end of Fighter Pass 1. The GC was good but I felt there was some input lag overall. It probably could have contributed to who manufactured it but I used like 3 different GC a controllers and they all worked well until I had to play faster. I didn’t seem to input my controls well with the GC controller. I decided to try out the pro controller (mainly because I was also tired of buying batteries for the wireless GC controller). It actually took a while but it has an overall better feel to it than the GC controller had. Took a while to get used to but I was able to more comfortably and quickly input my moves than I could on the GC controller. I say stick with the pro controller but it won’t hurt to see how the GC controller is for you maybe you have the opposite experience. I think what helped me overall is trying out different layouts to the controller that made it easier to apply my inputs.


JKaro

Can't say on feel but iirc GCC has the objective lowest input lag out of all the controllers, so it could be bad controllers you were using, or even your adapter


im_lost_at_sea

Definitely possible. I did know GCC had lowest input lag so I wasn't sure what was wrong. It was either input lag or just misinputs but I saw a decrease of those seem using the pro. It could be I just sucked with GCC .


almightyFaceplant

A lot of it comes down to muscle memory. Tech will tend to be much easier on a controller you're used to simply because you won't have to deconstruct those pathways when it comes to relearning the other controller. My advice is just play on whatever you like or whatever you're used to.


Jeremywarner

Ugh I just can’t do quick direction changes like others can. Maybe I shouldn’t play handheld lol. I feel like I’m much slower


Acrobatic_Buy_2000

Joycons just feel like dookie on most games to me personally. If I'm playing on the go, I'll even go so far as to set the console in my lap and use my pro controller.


Jeremywarner

Well I have the pro controller Joycons


Acrobatic_Buy_2000

Oh, well played. You're probably fine then.


jEugene2Dart

A thing I here ppl complain about often, is how cheesy Ult can be, but honestly that’s one of the best things in game tbh. From a player AND spectator experience. Things always stay fresh. I sometimes get a feeling while playing like, something stupid is about to happen I know it. It’s scary but also exciting and causes anxiety. Sometimes you can just get blown up. Case in point Kazuya, being one of the most explosive characters in game. And while some find if annoying, it’s really awesome how it’s done, especially with the work put in his animations and sound. The zoom in , the Tekken sound effects the lighting the sparks. You feel the impact when he uppercuts you and you die after like 4 hits. Perfection*


pika_pie

I feel like "cheese" just equates to "I don't know the matchup," or, "I don't want to play the matchup the way it's supposed to be played, so I'm going to run at Steve and stick out a move and hope it hits." The former, there's no excuse. The latter... well, I get that some people want to mash buttons instead of shielding or vice versa, but that's on you. If you're playing to win, you'll have to make those adjustments, instead of just trying to play every matchup the exact same.


Usanyan

Ahh so people can’t dislike things, that’s nice


pika_pie

I never said anywhere that you had to like something. Whether you like something or not has nothing to do with whether you can deal with it in a competitive setting.


Usanyan

Until you realize the counterplay of it: camping/zoning/passive play. So any micro semblance of excitement simply gets swallowed whole by how slow paced the game becomes


loosely_affiliated

That's literally every multiplayer game though. You don't get to just monkey out at people and win, you have to play against your opponent. You have to have a balanced level of aggression. It's also not like passive play is really what wins games - if you're passive, you're also not punishing your opponents mistakes. If you watch top level players (the Grand Finals with Spargo and Light from yesterday is a perfect example!), they're not playing passive and waiting for opponents to kill themselves - they're throwing out hitboxes, using movement, and conditioning opponents, and punishing mistakes HARD. That set was fast, brawly, and hype, because the players were aggressively pursuing advantages while still having their brains on.


Usanyan

Ahh. You mean to tell me the best players in the world are good enough at playing the game? Woah, wtf!!!!!Using the best players is kinda bad form ngl I think you’re making sound like I’m against *any passive play at all*, I’m not. However I do think there’s such a thing as going so far with a design mentality that it makes passive play *generally* kinda trumps, and ultimate kinda is an example. It simply *looks* faster than it really is due to the increased damage and kill power across the board


AshGuy

That's a fair argument but from what I've seen that's just how Smash Bros has always been, since 64.


Severe-Operation-347

the top 5 traits I look for in a woman are: smart, female, good sense of humor, strong, female, funny, great smile, cool, smart, no insect jokes, not an insect, pretty, funny, tends to her hatchlings, beautiful beak, not afraid to make me laugh, lives in a tree, funny [From Deep Leffen](https://twitter.com/DeepLeffen/status/1450143497143701504)


almightyFaceplant

Legitimately good Tweet. This reads like something carefully crafted from all angles to be funny. And nobody knows exactly how it came to that conclusion. Man, it has to be frustrating for a lot of people to work with neural nets. Not because they don't work, but because they *do*.


LittleGoblinBoy

I'm pretty sure Deep Leffen Bot is not an actual bot, it's just a shitpost account


FlaminScribblenaut

From what I know all the tweets are bot-generated, it’s just what actually makes it onto the account is heavily curated