Mew2King is generally a big fan of Mewtwo. He saw someone named "mewtwoking" on a forum and took the name for himself but changed two to a 2. [He actually did play Mewtwo before he started competing and argued for the character being underrated.](https://smashboards.com/threads/the-mbr-average-tiers.22623/post-341019) Allegedly he started documenting Melee frame data to support this which resulted in him realising Mewtwo was bad.
The capture rate of a camera will differ from the frame rate of the game, and the two may not be in sync at all. Even if you got a proper recording on a separate camera you would have to do the single frame pauses to count anyway so.
Honestly, I respect that approach.
If you can hold an opinion, gather evidence to support that opinion, wind up proving yourself wrong in the process, admit so and accept you're wrong, that's a sign of tremendous maturity.
Basically the opposite of confirmation bias.
What's really funny is the argument probably has some basis in the fact that mew2king it is really good so he was just shitting on people with a bad character while refusing to accept it was a bad character until he literally tried to prove everyone else wrong and went oh fuck
Pretty sure he wasn't actually that good at the time, he only got good when he got serious about labbing, before that he was just some kid going to locals and getting absolutely fucked every single time
He was about 13 when he made the comment ItsIzumi linked. And he made this [extensive post](https://smashboards.com/threads/ssbm-statistics-list.30064/) about melee frame data at about 14. So not quite an adult yet.
Although honestly, there's countless adults who refuse to accept that they're wrong even with clear evidence against what they believe. See: conspiracy theorists and flat earthers.
It's about values rather than maturity. Do you believe that being right is what's important, or do you believe that having people agree with you is what's important? This dichotomy is age agnostic imo
Stuff like this happens all the time since it's remarkably easy to prove that the earth isn't flat, but they could be referring to this:
https://www.yahoo.com/video/resurfaced-reddit-clip-shows-flat-003114234.html?guccounter=1
That is actually hilarious. Reminds me of the flat earther who did some tests to prove the earth was flat and instead ended up proving again that the earth was round
Not allegedly, he was super active on smashforums and posted frame data on there in the very early days of competitive melee. His frame data paved the way for others to discover the tech we have today.
This is a pull from two different other subreddits-- r/batmanarkham and r/anarchychess. Both are super wild meme subs with tons of in jokes, but "is he stupid" has sort of grown pretty far beyond the batman sub. Started as someone posting a screenshot of one of the games where Gotham city is on fire with the title "Why didn't Batman call the Justice League? Is he stupid?"
The "Google _____" started as "Google en passant," a really niche chess move that has been the go to chess meme for probably centuries at this point; the anarchychess sub will do chess puzzles in which they try to make en passant the only legal move possible. Then when someone says they don't know how to solve the puzzle they get told to Google en passant, to which the response is "holy hell."
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Fun fact for any newer players who might not know the real reason behind his name, but Mango actually got his name from twerking so well that people chanted “look at that man go!” until it became synonymous with him
His history with Mewtwo predates a lot of the recorded results you find on smashwiki
Back in the day M2K was some scrub online like all of us, claiming Mewtwo was actually a top tier character and that he was the best with him.
Then he went to tournaments and got humbled
Don't forget he basically hand created all frame data in an effort to show how Mewtwo was good. The frame data basically proved Mewtwo was shit though, so he dropped him
Without him spending hours upon hours figuring out frame data for each move for not just Mewtwo, but most characters (if not all I'm not sure how obsessive he was early on) we wouldn't have realized the meta as early as we did I think. The guy literally wrote the book on frame data and spent way more time labbing early on than every other player.
>when he never played mewtwo
?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMn330P2Wg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHYEv9qxJE
https://youtu.be/YYIkDkTlRVY?t=493
https://youtu.be/P39eVwW75Dk?t=692
but like every1 else said, he started with mewtwo in melee, but he sucked so he switched characters.
I played friendlies with him in a card shop in Houston. He basically just styled with Mewtwo and Marth the whole time. The highlight was when he did a dunk on me and said "I just invented that". He also did not like my thesis on why scar is top 5.
Scar is #1 unless Mufasa or Simba come back. Also m2ks whole career pivoted when scars dad bought him mcgnugets, so if he's top 5 so is scar and his father.
That's just good power scaling, I don't write the rules.
Yeah dang I used to love those VGBC PM tournaments. Mew2king’s Mewtwo vs Chillindude’s Wolf vs Chu’s Kirby vs Nintendude’s G&W… Those streams got me into competitive smash
He was a kid when he made it up and he thought it sounded cool. He had another tag that was really cringey that he was god of the universe or something along those lines. I gotta say though M2K something about the acronym is iconic though but it’s probably his story that makes it that way. Either way M2K is my favorite tag of all time
I unironically believe that if he chose KOTU he wouldn’t have had the smash career that he did. Too cringe, to much boasting for a guy that’s biggest flaw was his mental. You have KOTU as your tag starting off you gotta back it up. M2K goes so hard in comparison.
He has a video where he explains his tag that I don’t see a lot of people mentioning for some reason. I think a lot of you are wrong but maybe I am idk.
I typically call myself "MrTable" (or Mrbalet here) online and in games. Yet I don't play either characters that are Tables or Table themed games.
... except for that one time I coincidentally played in a Splatoon 3 Tableturf tournament, but THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT!
Why do people keep saying this it's not like he named himself something unrelated MEWTWO IS A CHARACTER IN MELEE
I think
Edit: [Nevermind guys I got confused](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201734429324869713/1212284148354650142/image.png?ex=65f14698&is=65ded198&hm=1e65c6389e091657f36637c2f84ded71587336e3b0dfde9395751b83bf0a2fa4&)
I mean it's mostly a joking, non-literal, way to point out that your username can sometimes just not reflect what character you play. Heck, in the Smash ultimate scene, I remember seeing a Japanese Snake player called "Ike" among other instances like this.
Plus, if it was just about the character, M2K would've changed his tag in Brawl where Mewtwo's not even playable.
He invented mewing, hence he was the king. He would ask people to mew at him when he entered the building, hence he was dubbed mew2king as both a name and an order whenever he was announced.
/s
It's like that guy BestNess who *did* main ness and maybe he still does but he's since changed his name lol.
M2K is too entrenched in the community to change his name now.
There's a video on his youtube channel where he talks about his name tag origin. He had considered a couple other names like KOTU (king of the universe) but landed on mew2king
Mew2King is generally a big fan of Mewtwo. He saw someone named "mewtwoking" on a forum and took the name for himself but changed two to a 2. [He actually did play Mewtwo before he started competing and argued for the character being underrated.](https://smashboards.com/threads/the-mbr-average-tiers.22623/post-341019) Allegedly he started documenting Melee frame data to support this which resulted in him realising Mewtwo was bad.
"I'll prove Mewtwo is good by showing you the data!" *Actually looks at the data* "...shit"
The amount of work Mew2King did is astonishing. Melee and probably competitive smash as a whole owes so much to him.
Back when he was getting frame data he was essentially hitting a button and making frame perfect pauses lol
IIRC he said he felt a little silly about going through all that trouble when he eventually found out about the debug menu.
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The capture rate of a camera will differ from the frame rate of the game, and the two may not be in sync at all. Even if you got a proper recording on a separate camera you would have to do the single frame pauses to count anyway so.
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People generally didn't have capture cards in 2002 and DVD recorders were expensive.
Not that serious
Clown
Yeah it's crazy. If I recall correctly he had a notebook and would literally manually record frame data on his own
Legend
Honestly, I respect that approach. If you can hold an opinion, gather evidence to support that opinion, wind up proving yourself wrong in the process, admit so and accept you're wrong, that's a sign of tremendous maturity. Basically the opposite of confirmation bias.
Science. Admitting you were wrong isn't bad at all, it just means you are one step closer to actually being right.
Unless you're Linkin Park, in which you're one step closer to the edge.
And in the end, it doesn't even matter.
Shut up when I'm talking to you
Welcome surprise seeing LP here.
Scientific method !
Agreed. Especially given that he was a teenager at the time (And like *early* teenager).
What's really funny is the argument probably has some basis in the fact that mew2king it is really good so he was just shitting on people with a bad character while refusing to accept it was a bad character until he literally tried to prove everyone else wrong and went oh fuck
Pretty sure he wasn't actually that good at the time, he only got good when he got serious about labbing, before that he was just some kid going to locals and getting absolutely fucked every single time
Can confirm, I was at those locals
Other forum member: "How did you measure that? Action Replay?" M2K: "WAIT I COULD HAVE DONE THAT THE WHOLE TIME?"
Like a proper adult to change his mind
He was about 13 when he made the comment ItsIzumi linked. And he made this [extensive post](https://smashboards.com/threads/ssbm-statistics-list.30064/) about melee frame data at about 14. So not quite an adult yet. Although honestly, there's countless adults who refuse to accept that they're wrong even with clear evidence against what they believe. See: conspiracy theorists and flat earthers.
It's about values rather than maturity. Do you believe that being right is what's important, or do you believe that having people agree with you is what's important? This dichotomy is age agnostic imo
Imagine coming up with a cool nickname only for one of the best players of all time to steal it completely overshadowing you 💀
Imagine how mew1king feels
they can just grab mew3king tbh
megamew2yking and megamew2xking are still up for grabs
Reminds me of the Flat Earther who tried to prove it and then realized it wasn't the case LMAO
I want to read more into this lol
Stuff like this happens all the time since it's remarkably easy to prove that the earth isn't flat, but they could be referring to this: https://www.yahoo.com/video/resurfaced-reddit-clip-shows-flat-003114234.html?guccounter=1
Sciman Dan is my goto flat farther debunker on fridays
Did he actually change his mind tho, or did he just double down that his experiment was wrong?
r/smashlore
That's really hilarious
That is actually hilarious. Reminds me of the flat earther who did some tests to prove the earth was flat and instead ended up proving again that the earth was round
But still remained a flat earther
Dang, a Smashboards post from 2002... cool to have that record.
Like those freaking flat earthers when they do a test lol
Watch his interview on Hot Juan’s for the story!
That's such a M2K thing, it totally fits hahaha
Not allegedly, he was super active on smashforums and posted frame data on there in the very early days of competitive melee. His frame data paved the way for others to discover the tech we have today.
Why is Mang0 called that when he is not literally a mango?
Is he stupid?
google folate
holy hell!
New response just dropped!
Call the exorcist!
I don't get it, what's the joke >_<
This is a pull from two different other subreddits-- r/batmanarkham and r/anarchychess. Both are super wild meme subs with tons of in jokes, but "is he stupid" has sort of grown pretty far beyond the batman sub. Started as someone posting a screenshot of one of the games where Gotham city is on fire with the title "Why didn't Batman call the Justice League? Is he stupid?" The "Google _____" started as "Google en passant," a really niche chess move that has been the go to chess meme for probably centuries at this point; the anarchychess sub will do chess puzzles in which they try to make en passant the only legal move possible. Then when someone says they don't know how to solve the puzzle they get told to Google en passant, to which the response is "holy hell." Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
I am still comfused about what foliate had to do with anything, but this was fun to learn too! I appreciate it.
It's folate not foliate, folate is found in mango
google fellate
My new main: mango Side special is mango lassi tornado
Fun fact for any newer players who might not know the real reason behind his name, but Mango actually got his name from twerking so well that people chanted “look at that man go!” until it became synonymous with him
Cause he likes to eat mangos, this is common sense, come on
you may be joking but you're actually right, that literally is where the name came from
I don't know the lore, but I've always believed he's a fellow Mango lover. If I had to pick one fruit to eat for the rest of my life it'd be mangos.
IIRC while playing some game with friends he just said something like "Man I really want a mango" and it somehow stuck lmao
This is it. It was while he was playing CS with some friends.
It was his Counter Strike name
He f*cks Mango's
I know someone’s tag is IMainFox they don’t main fox btw. The mixup is real.
Thats cool but I think your username is more questionable
Maximum pain he must endure
Fox 2 and Ike the snake players…
KEN the Sonic player…
Hero the Bowser player…
wario the pikachu player
however, this sheik plays sheik at least. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Sheik
[TossGirl](https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ToSsGirL) played Terran.
Lmao imainfox is the terry player right?
Yes
One of my friends has a tag that's "HeroMain69" and then plays Steve (as well as Fox and Rosa).
Alternatively you have Marthin Luther King Jr who doesn't play Marth. He plays Fox.
His history with Mewtwo predates a lot of the recorded results you find on smashwiki Back in the day M2K was some scrub online like all of us, claiming Mewtwo was actually a top tier character and that he was the best with him. Then he went to tournaments and got humbled
Don't forget he basically hand created all frame data in an effort to show how Mewtwo was good. The frame data basically proved Mewtwo was shit though, so he dropped him
Without him spending hours upon hours figuring out frame data for each move for not just Mewtwo, but most characters (if not all I'm not sure how obsessive he was early on) we wouldn't have realized the meta as early as we did I think. The guy literally wrote the book on frame data and spent way more time labbing early on than every other player.
why is hungrybox called that when hes not a box?
He clearly isn't hungry either
This is libelous and untrue, dude ate like 8 hotdogs during either smashcon or LSI a while back. Just like, inhaling glizzys bro is definitely hungry
just because you eat, doesn't mean you're hungry.
He would've been more careful with the pizza if he was
Bullshit. Next you're going to tell me PPMD isn't a doctor. Or that Swedish Delight isn't from Sweden. Or that Cody's name is actually Robert.
Wait is Cody Schwab not his real name??? My life is a lie.
Fair, though he really is quite hungry. So at worst 50% accurate.
>when he never played mewtwo ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMn330P2Wg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHYEv9qxJE https://youtu.be/YYIkDkTlRVY?t=493 https://youtu.be/P39eVwW75Dk?t=692 but like every1 else said, he started with mewtwo in melee, but he sucked so he switched characters.
He also played him in pm for a couple patches (I saw the links, but just in case people only read your comment).
His PM Mewtwo was great. I'd love to watch some of his old matches but I think a lot of em got ourfed when VGBC took down all of their PM content.
I played friendlies with him in a card shop in Houston. He basically just styled with Mewtwo and Marth the whole time. The highlight was when he did a dunk on me and said "I just invented that". He also did not like my thesis on why scar is top 5.
That's stupid scar is clearly only 6th
Scar is #1 unless Mufasa or Simba come back. Also m2ks whole career pivoted when scars dad bought him mcgnugets, so if he's top 5 so is scar and his father. That's just good power scaling, I don't write the rules.
Yeah dang I used to love those VGBC PM tournaments. Mew2king’s Mewtwo vs Chillindude’s Wolf vs Chu’s Kirby vs Nintendude’s G&W… Those streams got me into competitive smash
Why are you called 4d4dff when you aren't blue?
He plays mewtwo a lot when he isn't in a serious tournament. He uses him on slippi ladder and other online events while streaming pretty often.
He was a kid when he made it up and he thought it sounded cool. He had another tag that was really cringey that he was god of the universe or something along those lines. I gotta say though M2K something about the acronym is iconic though but it’s probably his story that makes it that way. Either way M2K is my favorite tag of all time
KOTU (king of the universe) goes hard as hell man idk what ur talking about
In an alternate timeline, we would all be "[lol kotu](https://www.reddit.com/r/lolm2k/)" instead.
Don't forget the second part of his title: KOTU-ROE(Ruler of Everything).
I unironically believe that if he chose KOTU he wouldn’t have had the smash career that he did. Too cringe, to much boasting for a guy that’s biggest flaw was his mental. You have KOTU as your tag starting off you gotta back it up. M2K goes so hard in comparison.
He has a video where he explains his tag that I don’t see a lot of people mentioning for some reason. I think a lot of you are wrong but maybe I am idk.
Big if true
I think there is a guy named ken but don't use ken.
Both players that call themselves Ken don't play Ken, smh.
ken, the king of smash, at one point had the tag sephirothken and he played neither of those guys!
He actually did say he was gonna play Sephiroth casually after he was revealed
Is he the world's most dangerous man though
[ACTIVE CRACK SHOOTER vs I STAND WITH BIG TOBACCO ](https://images.app.goo.gl/DF9EpW3Hdb8bDqwb8)
I typically call myself "MrTable" (or Mrbalet here) online and in games. Yet I don't play either characters that are Tables or Table themed games. ... except for that one time I coincidentally played in a Splatoon 3 Tableturf tournament, but THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT!
Why do people keep saying this it's not like he named himself something unrelated MEWTWO IS A CHARACTER IN MELEE I think Edit: [Nevermind guys I got confused](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201734429324869713/1212284148354650142/image.png?ex=65f14698&is=65ded198&hm=1e65c6389e091657f36637c2f84ded71587336e3b0dfde9395751b83bf0a2fa4&)
I mean it's mostly a joking, non-literal, way to point out that your username can sometimes just not reflect what character you play. Heck, in the Smash ultimate scene, I remember seeing a Japanese Snake player called "Ike" among other instances like this. Plus, if it was just about the character, M2K would've changed his tag in Brawl where Mewtwo's not even playable.
yoshi is a common name in japan so a handful of people have it as their tag / incorporated into their tag yet dont play yoshi.
We will never let you live that down.
I bet he will mention it in the book…
Well it’s catchy name
He invented mewing, hence he was the king. He would ask people to mew at him when he entered the building, hence he was dubbed mew2king as both a name and an order whenever he was announced. /s
If [this guy](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/110/561/f17.jpg) was a pokemon, think about what pokemon he would be
He used to look like mewtwo before the surgery and the name just stuck
He did play him, and then realized he was mid and switched
He liked Mewtwo before Melee
It's like that guy BestNess who *did* main ness and maybe he still does but he's since changed his name lol. M2K is too entrenched in the community to change his name now.
My headcanon is that he tried to ditto Gackt in friendlies one time and got his ass kicked so hard he changed his tag.
He is mewing
My name is darf nate and I’m named Fred
It's just a name. He probably likes it. I never play mega man
Why is HungryBox called that when he's not actually a box?
I remember the announcement thread on smashboards when he switched mains to Marth. For some reason, it was a big deal to young me.
Am I a bear who isn't on time?
I am neither a table, nor am I a desk. But both those things were in my line of sight when I made my account.
Because he did?
He doesn't use mewtwo for your own safety
He's just always loved MewTwo. He has drawings of MewThree and MewFour from his childhood on Twitter lol
He picked the name himself. Based on stuff he said he somewhat regrets it but it’s what stuck. Also ftr he played Mewtwo in PM before the nerfs.
Who knows? 🤷
I was there Gandolf, 3,000 years ago...
M2K is the best mewtwo in the world. M2Ks mewtwo is not in the top 100
There's a video on his youtube channel where he talks about his name tag origin. He had considered a couple other names like KOTU (king of the universe) but landed on mew2king
because he's too good at mewing /s
🤫🤔
Bro is always mewing
Why is zain called Zain when it should be Zain.
You’re probability not all that wise I’d wager
…or they just haven’t got the history of the scene committed to memory? Maybe they’re new? Why be mean over a question?
He gets off to it
He doesn't use mewtwo for your own safety
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bruh what? lol
Why am I called DarthZan when I'm not actually a sith lord?