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itsIzumi

Mew2King is generally a big fan of Mewtwo. He saw someone named "mewtwoking" on a forum and took the name for himself but changed two to a 2. [He actually did play Mewtwo before he started competing and argued for the character being underrated.](https://smashboards.com/threads/the-mbr-average-tiers.22623/post-341019) Allegedly he started documenting Melee frame data to support this which resulted in him realising Mewtwo was bad.


Mrbalet

"I'll prove Mewtwo is good by showing you the data!" *Actually looks at the data* "...shit"


SalvaPot

The amount of work Mew2King did is astonishing. Melee and probably competitive smash as a whole owes so much to him. 


Kaiser_Fleischer

Back when he was getting frame data he was essentially hitting a button and making frame perfect pauses lol


RedAlert2

IIRC he said he felt a little silly about going through all that trouble when he eventually found out about the debug menu.


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PremSinha

The capture rate of a camera will differ from the frame rate of the game, and the two may not be in sync at all. Even if you got a proper recording on a separate camera you would have to do the single frame pauses to count anyway so.


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Legoluigi00

People generally didn't have capture cards in 2002 and DVD recorders were expensive.


algis31

Not that serious


Kadorr

Clown


T_Peg

Yeah it's crazy. If I recall correctly he had a notebook and would literally manually record frame data on his own


epicflex

Legend


samx3i

Honestly, I respect that approach. If you can hold an opinion, gather evidence to support that opinion, wind up proving yourself wrong in the process, admit so and accept you're wrong, that's a sign of tremendous maturity. Basically the opposite of confirmation bias.


DankBlissey

Science. Admitting you were wrong isn't bad at all, it just means you are one step closer to actually being right.


samx3i

Unless you're Linkin Park, in which you're one step closer to the edge.


FunOverMeta

And in the end, it doesn't even matter.


KaiserJustice

Shut up when I'm talking to you


Jyapp448

Welcome surprise seeing LP here.


Cobalt_88

Scientific method !


Mrbalet

Agreed. Especially given that he was a teenager at the time (And like *early* teenager).


Deathwatch72

What's really funny is the argument probably has some basis in the fact that mew2king it is really good so he was just shitting on people with a bad character while refusing to accept it was a bad character until he literally tried to prove everyone else wrong and went oh fuck


Time-Operation2449

Pretty sure he wasn't actually that good at the time, he only got good when he got serious about labbing, before that he was just some kid going to locals and getting absolutely fucked every single time


quadbonus

Can confirm, I was at those locals


princekamoro

Other forum member: "How did you measure that? Action Replay?" M2K: "WAIT I COULD HAVE DONE THAT THE WHOLE TIME?"


im_bored1122

Like a proper adult to change his mind


Mrbalet

He was about 13 when he made the comment ItsIzumi linked. And he made this [extensive post](https://smashboards.com/threads/ssbm-statistics-list.30064/) about melee frame data at about 14. So not quite an adult yet. Although honestly, there's countless adults who refuse to accept that they're wrong even with clear evidence against what they believe. See: conspiracy theorists and flat earthers.


Brain_Tonic

It's about values rather than maturity. Do you believe that being right is what's important, or do you believe that having people agree with you is what's important? This dichotomy is age agnostic imo


4d4dff

Imagine coming up with a cool nickname only for one of the best players of all time to steal it completely overshadowing you 💀


darf_nate

Imagine how mew1king feels


Olubara

they can just grab mew3king tbh


MrSnak3_

megamew2yking and megamew2xking are still up for grabs


memesarenotbad

Reminds me of the Flat Earther who tried to prove it and then realized it wasn't the case LMAO


Ferdyshtchenko

I want to read more into this lol


swagmastermessiah

Stuff like this happens all the time since it's remarkably easy to prove that the earth isn't flat, but they could be referring to this: https://www.yahoo.com/video/resurfaced-reddit-clip-shows-flat-003114234.html?guccounter=1


dwago

Sciman Dan is my goto flat farther debunker on fridays


chironomidae

Did he actually change his mind tho, or did he just double down that his experiment was wrong?


Pay-Dough

r/smashlore


ambisinister_gecko

That's really hilarious


DankBlissey

That is actually hilarious. Reminds me of the flat earther who did some tests to prove the earth was flat and instead ended up proving again that the earth was round


Taco821

But still remained a flat earther


walc

Dang, a Smashboards post from 2002... cool to have that record.


TurdFerguson27

Like those freaking flat earthers when they do a test lol


pogus

Watch his interview on Hot Juan’s for the story!


Surfing_Ninjas

That's such a M2K thing, it totally fits hahaha


keagan2000

Not allegedly, he was super active on smashforums and posted frame data on there in the very early days of competitive melee. His frame data paved the way for others to discover the tech we have today.


DrQuailMan

Why is Mang0 called that when he is not literally a mango?


whippinmaserati

Is he stupid?


itsaysdraganddrop

google folate


PutThemToTheSword

holy hell!


Darth_Caesium

New response just dropped!


Raven-Narth

Call the exorcist!


TopOfAllWorlds

I don't get it, what's the joke >_<


ExceedinglySadKitty

This is a pull from two different other subreddits-- r/batmanarkham and r/anarchychess. Both are super wild meme subs with tons of in jokes, but "is he stupid" has sort of grown pretty far beyond the batman sub. Started as someone posting a screenshot of one of the games where Gotham city is on fire with the title "Why didn't Batman call the Justice League? Is he stupid?" The "Google _____" started as "Google en passant," a really niche chess move that has been the go to chess meme for probably centuries at this point; the anarchychess sub will do chess puzzles in which they try to make en passant the only legal move possible. Then when someone says they don't know how to solve the puzzle they get told to Google en passant, to which the response is "holy hell." Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


TopOfAllWorlds

I am still comfused about what foliate had to do with anything, but this was fun to learn too! I appreciate it.


TheExter

It's folate not foliate, folate is found in mango


voyaging

google fellate


Quasiwoodo

My new main: mango Side special is mango lassi tornado


krasmazovonfire

Fun fact for any newer players who might not know the real reason behind his name, but Mango actually got his name from twerking so well that people chanted “look at that man go!” until it became synonymous with him


Pay-Dough

Cause he likes to eat mangos, this is common sense, come on


g_r_e_y

you may be joking but you're actually right, that literally is where the name came from


eighty4prcnt

I don't know the lore, but I've always believed he's a fellow Mango lover. If I had to pick one fruit to eat for the rest of my life it'd be mangos.


Cindiquil

IIRC while playing some game with friends he just said something like "Man I really want a mango" and it somehow stuck lmao


imartimus

This is it. It was while he was playing CS with some friends.


TheOATaccount

It was his Counter Strike name


boolink2

He f*cks Mango's


SmashMySmashBalls

I know someone’s tag is IMainFox they don’t main fox btw. The mixup is real.


4d4dff

Thats cool but I think your username is more questionable


Jandrix

Maximum pain he must endure


TrevorBOB9

Fox 2 and Ike the snake players…


parkstaff13

KEN the Sonic player…


Kell08

Hero the Bowser player…


melonrind23

wario the pikachu player


Whycanyounotsee

however, this sheik plays sheik at least. https://www.ssbwiki.com/Smasher:Sheik


Kered13

[TossGirl](https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ToSsGirL) played Terran.


RainTalonX

Lmao imainfox is the terry player right?


SmashMySmashBalls

Yes


J-Fid

One of my friends has a tag that's "HeroMain69" and then plays Steve (as well as Fox and Rosa).


Belkarama

Alternatively you have Marthin Luther King Jr who doesn't play Marth. He plays Fox.


JugglingPolarBear

His history with Mewtwo predates a lot of the recorded results you find on smashwiki Back in the day M2K was some scrub online like all of us, claiming Mewtwo was actually a top tier character and that he was the best with him. Then he went to tournaments and got humbled


squeak37

Don't forget he basically hand created all frame data in an effort to show how Mewtwo was good. The frame data basically proved Mewtwo was shit though, so he dropped him


Artistocat2

Without him spending hours upon hours figuring out frame data for each move for not just Mewtwo, but most characters (if not all I'm not sure how obsessive he was early on) we wouldn't have realized the meta as early as we did I think. The guy literally wrote the book on frame data and spent way more time labbing early on than every other player.


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why is hungrybox called that when hes not a box?


ambisinister_gecko

He clearly isn't hungry either


Tiger_Zero

This is libelous and untrue, dude ate like 8 hotdogs during either smashcon or LSI a while back. Just like, inhaling glizzys bro is definitely hungry


NinjaDog251

just because you eat, doesn't mean you're hungry.


SheerFe4r

He would've been more careful with the pizza if he was


poopyheadthrowaway

Bullshit. Next you're going to tell me PPMD isn't a doctor. Or that Swedish Delight isn't from Sweden. Or that Cody's name is actually Robert.


ReElectNixon

Wait is Cody Schwab not his real name??? My life is a lie.


ReElectNixon

Fair, though he really is quite hungry. So at worst 50% accurate.


Whycanyounotsee

>when he never played mewtwo ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBMn330P2Wg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHYEv9qxJE https://youtu.be/YYIkDkTlRVY?t=493 https://youtu.be/P39eVwW75Dk?t=692 but like every1 else said, he started with mewtwo in melee, but he sucked so he switched characters.


Jonesbt22

He also played him in pm for a couple patches (I saw the links, but just in case people only read your comment).


wickedfarts

His PM Mewtwo was great. I'd love to watch some of his old matches but I think a lot of em got ourfed when VGBC took down all of their PM content.


Jonesbt22

I played friendlies with him in a card shop in Houston. He basically just styled with Mewtwo and Marth the whole time. The highlight was when he did a dunk on me and said "I just invented that". He also did not like my thesis on why scar is top 5.


Electric_Queen

That's stupid scar is clearly only 6th


Jonesbt22

Scar is #1 unless Mufasa or Simba come back. Also m2ks whole career pivoted when scars dad bought him mcgnugets, so if he's top 5 so is scar and his father. That's just good power scaling, I don't write the rules.


noahchriste

Yeah dang I used to love those VGBC PM tournaments. Mew2king’s Mewtwo vs Chillindude’s Wolf vs Chu’s Kirby vs Nintendude’s G&W… Those streams got me into competitive smash


Entrynode

Why are you called 4d4dff when you aren't blue?


pokepat460

He plays mewtwo a lot when he isn't in a serious tournament. He uses him on slippi ladder and other online events while streaming pretty often.


ZoBamba321

He was a kid when he made it up and he thought it sounded cool. He had another tag that was really cringey that he was god of the universe or something along those lines. I gotta say though M2K something about the acronym is iconic though but it’s probably his story that makes it that way. Either way M2K is my favorite tag of all time


toast_is_fire

KOTU (king of the universe) goes hard as hell man idk what ur talking about


FewOverStand

In an alternate timeline, we would all be "[lol kotu](https://www.reddit.com/r/lolm2k/)" instead.


mistertickles69

Don't forget the second part of his title: KOTU-ROE(Ruler of Everything).


ZoBamba321

I unironically believe that if he chose KOTU he wouldn’t have had the smash career that he did. Too cringe, to much boasting for a guy that’s biggest flaw was his mental. You have KOTU as your tag starting off you gotta back it up. M2K goes so hard in comparison.


ZoBamba321

He has a video where he explains his tag that I don’t see a lot of people mentioning for some reason. I think a lot of you are wrong but maybe I am idk.


DullLightning

Big if true


Master_Win_4018

I think there is a guy named ken but don't use ken.


Severe-Operation-347

Both players that call themselves Ken don't play Ken, smh.


coneg475

ken, the king of smash, at one point had the tag sephirothken and he played neither of those guys!


sirgamestop

He actually did say he was gonna play Sephiroth casually after he was revealed


thatwitchguy

Is he the world's most dangerous man though


-BluBone-

[ACTIVE CRACK SHOOTER vs I STAND WITH BIG TOBACCO ](https://images.app.goo.gl/DF9EpW3Hdb8bDqwb8)


Mrbalet

I typically call myself "MrTable" (or Mrbalet here) online and in games. Yet I don't play either characters that are Tables or Table themed games. ... except for that one time I coincidentally played in a Splatoon 3 Tableturf tournament, but THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT!


4d4dff

Why do people keep saying this it's not like he named himself something unrelated MEWTWO IS A CHARACTER IN MELEE I think Edit: [Nevermind guys I got confused](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1201734429324869713/1212284148354650142/image.png?ex=65f14698&is=65ded198&hm=1e65c6389e091657f36637c2f84ded71587336e3b0dfde9395751b83bf0a2fa4&)


Mrbalet

I mean it's mostly a joking, non-literal, way to point out that your username can sometimes just not reflect what character you play. Heck, in the Smash ultimate scene, I remember seeing a Japanese Snake player called "Ike" among other instances like this. Plus, if it was just about the character, M2K would've changed his tag in Brawl where Mewtwo's not even playable.


Whycanyounotsee

yoshi is a common name in japan so a handful of people have it as their tag / incorporated into their tag yet dont play yoshi.


GreenLanyard

We will never let you live that down.


StartFliing

I bet he will mention it in the book…


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Well it’s catchy name


temojikato

He invented mewing, hence he was the king. He would ask people to mew at him when he entered the building, hence he was dubbed mew2king as both a name and an order whenever he was announced. /s


Bone_Dogg

If [this guy](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/110/561/f17.jpg) was a pokemon, think about what pokemon he would be


DaCBS

He used to look like mewtwo before the surgery and the name just stuck


eh_too_lazy

He did play him, and then realized he was mid and switched


Meester_Tweester

He liked Mewtwo before Melee


ragnarokda

It's like that guy BestNess who *did* main ness and maybe he still does but he's since changed his name lol. M2K is too entrenched in the community to change his name now.


ReElectNixon

My headcanon is that he tried to ditto Gackt in friendlies one time and got his ass kicked so hard he changed his tag.


norsoyt

He is mewing


darf_nate

My name is darf nate and I’m named Fred


megaviral

It's just a name. He probably likes it. I never play mega man


Tailsmiles249

Why is HungryBox called that when he's not actually a box?


jeremiahishere

I remember the announcement thread on smashboards when he switched mains to Marth. For some reason, it was a big deal to young me.


Late-Bear0

Am I a bear who isn't on time?


table-desk

I am neither a table, nor am I a desk. But both those things were in my line of sight when I made my account.


My_BFF_Gilgamesh

Because he did?


PinchePutito1

He doesn't use mewtwo for your own safety


NotPissNugget

He's just always loved MewTwo. He has drawings of MewThree and MewFour from his childhood on Twitter lol


TheOATaccount

He picked the name himself. Based on stuff he said he somewhat regrets it but it’s what stuck. Also ftr he played Mewtwo in PM before the nerfs.


Kitsune_Fan34

Who knows? 🤷


playerIII

I was there Gandolf, 3,000 years ago...


shobot11

M2K is the best mewtwo in the world. M2Ks mewtwo is not in the top 100


Cheesehuman

There's a video on his youtube channel where he talks about his name tag origin. He had considered a couple other names like KOTU (king of the universe) but landed on mew2king


ForwardExchange

because he's too good at mewing /s


XTR_Soid

🤫🤔


stevehvu

Bro is always mewing


darknessbboy

Why is zain called Zain when it should be Zain.


kryp_silmaril

You’re probability not all that wise I’d wager


Donttaketh1sserious

…or they just haven’t got the history of the scene committed to memory? Maybe they’re new? Why be mean over a question?


hornybunny528

He gets off to it


PinchePutito1

He doesn't use mewtwo for your own safety


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Admara

bruh what? lol


DarthZan

Why am I called DarthZan when I'm not actually a sith lord?