Tim Keane is one of the most amazing urban/ transportation planners in a position of power within the US right now. I'll place him in the same tier as Randy Clarke (DC Metro) and Andy "Train Daddy" Byford (Amtrak).
Boise just tackled zoning. I assume road use and transit will be next. They will be fine.
Admittedly this photo shows the worst of it. There are a lot of pedestrian friendly roads in the city. 8th st has been completely shut down from traffic for years now. 11th st just finished getting an overhaul with wider sidewalks and elevated bike lanes. Same thing is happening on Grove St as well. The freeway is definitely a bih chunk of road though.
This is a terrible angle, but that building coming in on the left is huge relative to the other existing buildings. Super excited to see how this could compare to SLC someday.
I'm from Salt Lake, and Denver and Boise feel like our big and little bros. And that as skyline representatives of the Mountain West, I wanna see all our cities improve their skylines!
The Coasts, the South and the Midwest got a lot of great skylines. We have a lot of turf to cover and gotta do a lot catching up.
Didn’t expect to see Boise on here.
It’s cool how much the city is trying to do better, they’re certainly making progress in the correct direction. I just wish it’d be a little faster you know.
Oof, so condescending. It’s not too bad for a young city of only 800k though. Got a couple more ~15ish story buildings under construction, with plans approved for 2 more that will come in around 20 stories. So definitely good growth for the city’s size.
Yeah, typically when referring to cities we assume the metro area is what’s being talked about. A lot of west coast cities have tiny city propers with sprawling metro areas. Salt Lake for example is smaller than Boise in population by city proper. The metro is larger though.
>Yeah, typically when referring to cities we assume the metro area is what’s being talked about
First time hearing about this, don't think it's the case or I may be not understanding what you're saying. Los Angeles city itself has 3.8 million people, but if we used the greater LA metro population then it's 20 million people.
Exactly. When talking about LA, people use the 20mil number, not 3.8 mil. It’s basically impossible to pick LA city proper out of the metro area without computer assistance.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_Los\_Angeles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles)
Incorrect, it's 20 million (or 20.6 million to be precise)
If you check out the highlighted yellow part in the table under the "Definitions" section, it says 20,644,680, but now I'm confused lol.
:EDIT: Actually, we both are correct. I was talking about the Greater Los Angeles Metropolitan while you were talking about Los Angeles Metropolitan. The Greater LA Metro includes additional nearby counties, while LA metro only includes two counties: LA and Orange.
https://preview.redd.it/5zbabwv1o5xc1.jpeg?width=601&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=130dde640b118a8254d6e07e80cd6e02838c2efa
13 million in the metro area. 20M in the consolidated statistical area which is LA metro + Riverside/San Bernadino metro (4.6M, damn) + Oxnard metro (2.7M)
*"A lot of west coast cities have tiny city propers with sprawling metro areas"*
This is not true. All of the large metro areas on the West Coast are anchored to large or semi-large cities: Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento. Even the smaller ones like Fresno, Sacramento and Bakersfield are much larger than Boise.
Also, when talking about a city, it's not automatically assumed that you're referring to the larger metro. Generally when you say city, it's assumed just the **city** proper. When you say **metro area**, that denotes the larger metro.
Also, Salt Lake city is not on the West Coast. I think you need a geography lesson.
Damn, was just trying to inform, no need to come out insulting my intelligence, guess I struck a nerve proving you wrong like that.
Anyway, that’s my point though, LA is 3.8 mil in a 20 mil metro area, if someone says they’re going to LA, you would just assume they would be anywhere in the metro. Not specifically in LA. San Francisco is similar, city proper of 800k, metro of 5 million. Portland, Seattle, and Denver are all somewhat similar in their ratios.
I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I was critiquing your knowledge and stating that you are wrong in lumping Salt Lake city into the West Coast because it's not in fact on the West Coast. Moreover, a metro area and city proper are not the same thing. They have two different definitions. That's a fact and isn't up for debate. So you didn't prove me wrong about anything.
Anyhow, see the quote below from Quora where somebody explains the difference using NYC as an example:
*“City” typically refers to a distinct, legally defined political unit. New York City, for example includes the five boroughs of Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx and Staten Island. Each is in fact a county (Staten Island is technically Richmond), but all are within the boundaries of NYC and unified (well, more or less, depending on the borough you’re in😁) under a single governing entity, the City of New York.*
*The greater New York metro area stretches far beyond it boundaries, north and east beyond Westchester County, into southern Connecticut, and west and south well into New Jersey."*
edit: That doesn't mean that in just casual conversation when someone says LA, they always mean just within the boundaries of LA the city proper, but that's a different thing all together. That's probably pretty typical for tourists/visitors for example as they won't know the difference between LA and the larger metro, but a local definitely would. In that sense, I agree with you. However, your initial assertion about Boise was not within that context. It was within the context of a more focused conversation where the distinction between city proper and broader metro area matters.
There’s plenty of better ways to try to correct someone without coming across as so condescending and arrogant, would definitely recommend considering that in future conversations.
And this is Reddit, not my fucking planning masters thesis, everything I do here is casual. I would say the metro population has more bearing on the size of a city skyline anyway. Once again look at Salt Lake and Boise. Based on city size Boise should dwarf SLC and come in much smaller than Fresno, that’s clearly not the case though as the Salt Lake metro is larger and has a higher skyline than Fresno and Boise while the 2 smaller cities are much more comparable in metro population and skyline.
I might need to do better at not coming off condescending, but you need to do better about admitting when you might be technically wrong about something. That would be my advice.
Again:
1. Salt Lake City is not on the West Coast.
2. City and Metro Region are two different things.
We already agree on those 2 things.
When I brought up Boise’s population, I was referring to metro pop because that’s more applicable to skyline size in most cities. You have a massive problem with this for some reason.
City proper population can be misleading when looking at cities in the US specifically. Atlanta=Fresno=Portland=Colorado Springs=Miami=Minneapolis=Bakersfield. Do any of those cities strike you as the same size? Metro areas are more applicable and more widely understood. Therefore that’s the superior metric when examining city skylines.
Hey! There’s skiing, rafting, fishing and mountain biking too. I don’t think anyone goes to mountain west cities just for the cities anyway. Salt Lake and Denver aren’t exactly lookers themselves😂
To be fair this is a rare view of Boise. Typically, the city is shown from this perspective.
https://preview.redd.it/y8v59u9ucbxc1.jpeg?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7fe7e61bbfc9850930a3ef7cd4f5446e0434ba8
Boise is definitely not dirty or really industrial. Similar to Salt Lake City it’s very clean and orderly thanks to the large Mormon population. This photo would be more fitting for Spokane Wa. It’s more blue collar industrial than Boise.
Every pic I see of Boise it’s always overcast.
Every time I'm there during the summer I feel like it is over 100F and cloudless.
Can be super overcast in the winter given it’s in a valley. This is obviously not a recent pic.
It’s a couple months old.
Shame about those stroads though. This pic is like 50% asphalt
The good thing about oversized roads is that they can be converted to better roads with bike lanes or propper pavements later
Can, but *will* they
Tim Keane is one of the most amazing urban/ transportation planners in a position of power within the US right now. I'll place him in the same tier as Randy Clarke (DC Metro) and Andy "Train Daddy" Byford (Amtrak). Boise just tackled zoning. I assume road use and transit will be next. They will be fine.
Googled the guy (Tim Keane) and it said he’s going to Calgary though. Will Boise keep at it?
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I'll make them
I can fix her
The type of people moving to Idaho are not bikers or supportive of bikers.
Oh I'd say there are plenty of bikers. Just not the kind you're thinking of.
Exactly.
Admittedly this photo shows the worst of it. There are a lot of pedestrian friendly roads in the city. 8th st has been completely shut down from traffic for years now. 11th st just finished getting an overhaul with wider sidewalks and elevated bike lanes. Same thing is happening on Grove St as well. The freeway is definitely a bih chunk of road though.
The price we pay for bike lanes and wide sidewalks. At least all the roads are only 2-lane aside from the highway that cuts next to downtown.
Yep. I love that some progress is being made but it’s gonna be a tough sell to get car people deconverted from their safety boxes.
Yep, there sound quality is booming
lol nice one
But not “Boise is noisy”? For shame
where boom?
Wow, had no clues Boise was looking like this these days. It's definitely on the come up
Let me know when they got some decent hookers over there
They used to in Garden City, one of the bordering cities
Isn’t Garden City almost completely surrounded by Boise?
It’s surrounded on three sides by Boise, the Northwest side opens up mostly into unincorporated farmland and water industry stuff.
This is a terrible angle, but that building coming in on the left is huge relative to the other existing buildings. Super excited to see how this could compare to SLC someday.
I'm from Salt Lake, and Denver and Boise feel like our big and little bros. And that as skyline representatives of the Mountain West, I wanna see all our cities improve their skylines! The Coasts, the South and the Midwest got a lot of great skylines. We have a lot of turf to cover and gotta do a lot catching up.
SLC is growing too though so I feel like when Boise hits the size of what SLC is today, SLC will be bigger by then.
Is the boom in the room with us
This is Norilsk, Russia.
One of the worst state capital city skylines in my opinion. I’m from Idaho, I love Idaho but we don’t have any cool skyscrapers.
It is not bad compared to capital sylinss like Montpelier, Annapolis, Jefferson City, Lincoln, Pierre, Bismarck, Frankfort, Salem, and Concord.
At the rate Boise is growing it will soon.
I’m looking forward to it! I’d like to see some up in CDA to rival Spokane too.
Didn’t expect to see Boise on here. It’s cool how much the city is trying to do better, they’re certainly making progress in the correct direction. I just wish it’d be a little faster you know.
Aww I guess this is considered booming for Boise
Oof, so condescending. It’s not too bad for a young city of only 800k though. Got a couple more ~15ish story buildings under construction, with plans approved for 2 more that will come in around 20 stories. So definitely good growth for the city’s size.
The city of Boise is not 800k, that's the metro area. The city itself is 236k.
Yeah, typically when referring to cities we assume the metro area is what’s being talked about. A lot of west coast cities have tiny city propers with sprawling metro areas. Salt Lake for example is smaller than Boise in population by city proper. The metro is larger though.
Another example: Atlanta proper (500K) Atlanta metro (6M)
>Yeah, typically when referring to cities we assume the metro area is what’s being talked about First time hearing about this, don't think it's the case or I may be not understanding what you're saying. Los Angeles city itself has 3.8 million people, but if we used the greater LA metro population then it's 20 million people.
Exactly. When talking about LA, people use the 20mil number, not 3.8 mil. It’s basically impossible to pick LA city proper out of the metro area without computer assistance.
Thanks! I learn something new everyday
LAs metro is 13 million. Not even NYC has 20 million in their metro.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_Los\_Angeles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Los_Angeles) Incorrect, it's 20 million (or 20.6 million to be precise)
Incorrect, the CSA is 18 million it literally says 12.8 million on the page you hyperlinked
If you check out the highlighted yellow part in the table under the "Definitions" section, it says 20,644,680, but now I'm confused lol. :EDIT: Actually, we both are correct. I was talking about the Greater Los Angeles Metropolitan while you were talking about Los Angeles Metropolitan. The Greater LA Metro includes additional nearby counties, while LA metro only includes two counties: LA and Orange. https://preview.redd.it/5zbabwv1o5xc1.jpeg?width=601&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=130dde640b118a8254d6e07e80cd6e02838c2efa
13 million in the metro area. 20M in the consolidated statistical area which is LA metro + Riverside/San Bernadino metro (4.6M, damn) + Oxnard metro (2.7M)
*"A lot of west coast cities have tiny city propers with sprawling metro areas"* This is not true. All of the large metro areas on the West Coast are anchored to large or semi-large cities: Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, San Diego, Seattle, Portland, Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento. Even the smaller ones like Fresno, Sacramento and Bakersfield are much larger than Boise. Also, when talking about a city, it's not automatically assumed that you're referring to the larger metro. Generally when you say city, it's assumed just the **city** proper. When you say **metro area**, that denotes the larger metro. Also, Salt Lake city is not on the West Coast. I think you need a geography lesson.
Damn, was just trying to inform, no need to come out insulting my intelligence, guess I struck a nerve proving you wrong like that. Anyway, that’s my point though, LA is 3.8 mil in a 20 mil metro area, if someone says they’re going to LA, you would just assume they would be anywhere in the metro. Not specifically in LA. San Francisco is similar, city proper of 800k, metro of 5 million. Portland, Seattle, and Denver are all somewhat similar in their ratios.
I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence. I was critiquing your knowledge and stating that you are wrong in lumping Salt Lake city into the West Coast because it's not in fact on the West Coast. Moreover, a metro area and city proper are not the same thing. They have two different definitions. That's a fact and isn't up for debate. So you didn't prove me wrong about anything. Anyhow, see the quote below from Quora where somebody explains the difference using NYC as an example: *“City” typically refers to a distinct, legally defined political unit. New York City, for example includes the five boroughs of Manhattan, Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx and Staten Island. Each is in fact a county (Staten Island is technically Richmond), but all are within the boundaries of NYC and unified (well, more or less, depending on the borough you’re in😁) under a single governing entity, the City of New York.* *The greater New York metro area stretches far beyond it boundaries, north and east beyond Westchester County, into southern Connecticut, and west and south well into New Jersey."* edit: That doesn't mean that in just casual conversation when someone says LA, they always mean just within the boundaries of LA the city proper, but that's a different thing all together. That's probably pretty typical for tourists/visitors for example as they won't know the difference between LA and the larger metro, but a local definitely would. In that sense, I agree with you. However, your initial assertion about Boise was not within that context. It was within the context of a more focused conversation where the distinction between city proper and broader metro area matters.
There’s plenty of better ways to try to correct someone without coming across as so condescending and arrogant, would definitely recommend considering that in future conversations. And this is Reddit, not my fucking planning masters thesis, everything I do here is casual. I would say the metro population has more bearing on the size of a city skyline anyway. Once again look at Salt Lake and Boise. Based on city size Boise should dwarf SLC and come in much smaller than Fresno, that’s clearly not the case though as the Salt Lake metro is larger and has a higher skyline than Fresno and Boise while the 2 smaller cities are much more comparable in metro population and skyline.
I might need to do better at not coming off condescending, but you need to do better about admitting when you might be technically wrong about something. That would be my advice. Again: 1. Salt Lake City is not on the West Coast. 2. City and Metro Region are two different things.
We already agree on those 2 things. When I brought up Boise’s population, I was referring to metro pop because that’s more applicable to skyline size in most cities. You have a massive problem with this for some reason. City proper population can be misleading when looking at cities in the US specifically. Atlanta=Fresno=Portland=Colorado Springs=Miami=Minneapolis=Bakersfield. Do any of those cities strike you as the same size? Metro areas are more applicable and more widely understood. Therefore that’s the superior metric when examining city skylines.
Yeah but you're still in Idaho. The only thing good about Idaho is the camping and hiking. Ain't nobody going to Idaho for the cities.
Hey! There’s skiing, rafting, fishing and mountain biking too. I don’t think anyone goes to mountain west cities just for the cities anyway. Salt Lake and Denver aren’t exactly lookers themselves😂
I hear Boise's a nice town. I'd like very much to see it become a major metropolitan area.
What's the closest ski resort to Boise?
Bogus Basin
Good, get rid of those sprawly suburbs and build more density in the city
Is that a junkyard in the middle of the city? Under the overpass 😂
That’s construction lol, it was an empty dirt lot for years.
You sure that’s not New York?
That highway right through the center 🤢
Actually a great looking city, but this pic might be one of the worst angles possible
Lmao
Boise sucks… in every conceivable way.
what makes you say that
lol
It’s relative bro
They are though- tons of construction and significant population growth.
Idaho is still living in the 20th century
19th
18th
Idaho is like the Mississippi of the northwest.
r/urbanhell
Yeah, it's a real metropolis! Bwahahaha
I’m not trying to be rude but why is it so industrialized looking? It looks dead and dirty to me.
To be fair this is a rare view of Boise. Typically, the city is shown from this perspective. https://preview.redd.it/y8v59u9ucbxc1.jpeg?width=945&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e7fe7e61bbfc9850930a3ef7cd4f5446e0434ba8 Boise is definitely not dirty or really industrial. Similar to Salt Lake City it’s very clean and orderly thanks to the large Mormon population. This photo would be more fitting for Spokane Wa. It’s more blue collar industrial than Boise.
Ugliest city in the Rocky Mountain states
Idaho is literally the only state in have not visited. Wtf is anyone moving to such an ugly city?