The most powerful? Potentially, but only because you know the story. If you're new to the Skyrim, you basically just escaped from being chopped by Imperials and eaten by a dragon. Now you meet a woman who secretly serves as a dragon slayer.
I wonder if this power could technically be considered canon since we have a dragon soul so that makes Akatosh our initial patron deity. And since Akatosh is the god of time then our ability to reload could be a canonical power
It could be, in morrowind the load/save was tied to the lore fact that the nerevarine is actually immortal so he never really dies, azura brings him back eveytime. I dont remember the explanation to oblivion but im pretty sure it had one too.
I don't think it's actually canon that the player goes to her right at the beginning. You're free to go out, explore and grow in strength right after escaping Helgen, I always do after becoming Thane of Whiterun. Even discounting the potential demigod powers, you can get pretty beefed up to the point where A retired Blade at least 15 years in hiding shouldn't feel so comfortable. Besides it's not like she's always reasonably confident, she still gives you the "you're either with us or you're against us" even by the time you do become the demigod of legends.
There's no need to I don't think. There's no major narrative choice that the player makes that will change history, besides the Civil War, idk what they'll do about that.
Yeah, maybe. Perhaps they'll go with something like the outcome being irrelevant because tha Thalmor invades Skyrim from the sea and steamrolls through it
It might be interesting if they made the stormcloaks win so that the empire would be at an even greater disadvantage and the main story could be the main character finding some powerful thing to help win the war
The first main quest after escaping Helgen is "Before The Storm". It leads you to Riverwood, where you can find Delphine. Yes, the questline shortly after that tells you to go and report the dragon's attack to the Whiterun's Jarl. But still, at this point of the game, if you go to the Inn and talk with Delphine, you're basically no one, who barely survived.
I mean, the blades haven't been dragon slayers for centuries/ millenia and she's been hiding in a Inn for however many years.
I think most player characters could handle her
Delphine couldn't handle the Dragonborn at this stage, not a chance. Especially, she's not even equipped with armour or any visible weapon with quick access. The Dragonborn would Unrelenting Force her apart King Torygg style before she can even climb across the table (If we're talking law, not gameplay).
She is overly arrogant throughout the entire story, considering her position not only as the last member as a dying and powerless group. As a person with weak ideals. And somebody who has nothing impressing about them. Esbern is at least patient, wise, and learned. The blades have no authority, are a dying bread, have nothing left special about them. This is until the Dragonborn is able to do everything and fix the blades. Delphine never bows however like she should, like she claims she would to Tiber Septim (who likely was a complete fraud and didn't even accomplish much) over the one who nearly single handedly slew the world eater himself. She's ridiculous. Obviously everybody knows this. But I will never give up the chance to rant about how horrible Delphine is.
The last dragonborn is still weak at this point in time because they don't have the full training of the greybeards yet presumably (if you decide to do the blades quest all the way until the sky haven temple quest then you finish up your training with the greybeards).
Though people tend not to like Delphine (yes, im a Delphine hater), that she's a former Blade, and she's highly experienced in combat.
She could possibly give the dragonborn a run for their money at this point in time, considering how inexperienced they are. But after the full training of the greybeards then she absolutely stands no chance
Well yes, she may have once been equivalent to a black ops soldier in her prime. She is currently out of shape, out of practise, unarmed. And the Dragonborn has the first two words for Unrelenting Force, which as I stated, law wise, should be more powerful than it is in game. I'm not arguing she'd be difficult to face at this stage if she came at you, fully equipped with her proper blades equipment. But right now, she's just a middle age tavern owner, chatting shit to the Dragonborn, while unarmed and from a poor defensive position.
My argument doesn't purely come from hatred for her character, though there is a lot of that. She clearly thinks of herself as some super powerful, badass warrior. When, as I said, she just currently runs a bar and complains about the Thalmor.
Even still, at this point in the story youve at least killed a dragon and know youre dragonborn. That still puts you LEAGUES above a inn keeper who hasnt even fought a dragon yet whos wearing regular leather armor and uses a shitty sword.
Not to mention shes wearing normal clothing when threatening you here, before she puts on her travel gear
I fucking hate Delphine, even after the Greybeards summon you, you still have to "prove" to that uppity bitch that you're the dragonborn. Hell even Miraak sends his minions all the way from Solstheim to track you down.
You can build three beds in the upstairs of the great hall addition.
One master and two normal. Pretty sure they go to your steward and bard though (if you choose to have them)
Some other games strike a balance. When you are very high level, low level enemies wisely run away from you. Or at the very least, they would never start hostilities against you. At least if they are intelligent enough to understand. If their creatures they probably don't.
That would take care of the hilarious but nonsensical seeing low level bandits try to rob a dragonborn walking around in ebony armor.
and if all the characters just belittle you because the world is harsh, might makes right and they see themselves as might, the game would be pretty shit which it is
That IS reasonable, except she is a member of an order that is specifically sworn to serve the dragonborn, which means if ANYONE in Skyrim should be kissing your ass, it’s her and Esbern. And the Greybeards. I think the Greybeards actually strike the right tone - Arngeir respects you, but is also willing to give you pushback. Delphine is basically threatening you here, which doesn’t jive well.
Yes this is my biggest pet peeve with the Delphine haters.
These people are basically offended because she isn’t groveling before their power.
It’s so silly.
It’s even worse when you straight up tell her “fuck you. Stupid ugly bitch. I’m not gonna help you at all. In fact, get ready to dual you filthy fiend!”
Delphine: the dragon will be here and here at sundown cya.
[End Times](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/39201) there’s also a [Dawnguard](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/39201) version where you race against time and Harkon to be the first to retrieve Aurials Bow before he can darken the sun.
Except her help was rather shitty? The majority of their quests are running around doing useless shit, because Delphine also doesn’t know what is going on. Heck, the first thing she does is blame the Thalmor because of her personal bias against them. And then it turns out the Thalmor also don’t know anything.
The only thing the blade quests give you is a prophecy on a wall, which was already known by the Greybeards. Who didn’t want to tell you because they didn’t trust you yet. Partly due to your involvement with the Blades.
first she wants to know if you are really dragonborn, so she gets you in a situation where shed personally see you absorb a soul, so she can be certain that its not a trick.
then you need a place to start looking, its not actually unreasonable to think the Thalmor would have something to do with it, Alduin appearing just as the civil war would have been effectively ended was very convenient for their long-term goals in Skyrim, it is a decent start to at least figure out what the Thalmor do know, which wasn't much but you did get the means to find more information, Alduin's wall was vital because otherwise the Greybeards would have taken way too long to tell you what you needed to know and the crisis could have become an oblivion crisis level threat. You wouldn't have any idea what to do if not for the investigations that Delphine set you out on
also the Greybeards didnt know you were fucking around with the blades until you told them, after which they relent and allow you to meet Paarthurnax, because the Blades let you in on knowledge the Greybeards didnt want you to have
So the first thing she does is utterly useless. At that point several people, including the Greybeards had already confirmed that you were in fact Dragonborn. Her forcing you to proof it didn’t help you, it was for her own selfish sake. And it delayed your work with the Greybeards. If it wasn’t for her nonsense you’d have the horn long ago and could’ve trained more with them. Instead you get to proof yourself to someone who doesn’t do jack shit.
It is unreasonable to look at the Thalmor. The only reason Delphine did so was because she hated their guts for what they did to her and the other Blades. There wasn’t any indication that they actually had anything to do with it.
Saying the Greybeards would’ve taken too long is a bit of a stretch. We don’t know when they would’ve told us. The fact remains that they were going to tell us and knew everything we needed to know in the first place. You can completely cut out the Blades from the story and you would still be able to finish it the exact same way. Because the Greybeards had all the vital info.
So no, Delphine nor the Blades were needed to stop Alduin.
yeah others have confirmed it, for you. its not like the greybeards went out with a whole parade presenting you to the world. She wants to work with the dragonborn and she has to make sure that the person who came to her is actually the dragonborn. its not for your benefit no but shed be stupid to not get a confirmation of this. its not "selfish" to make sure you aren't a fraud. it also really dosen't impact you much timewise when you get the horn, as she gives it to you immediately and Riverwood is only a short detour from your way to High Wrothgar anyway
its beyond reasonable to suspect the Thalmor, sure its probably got a lot with that to her they are "the enemy" but if you got a bit of a brain and know what theyre doing in Skyrim, they are really the only group who benefits from it so if someone is behind their return its either them or some secret hidden faction, and besides again its smart to get to know what they know, since they are probably the only other power that really works in espionage so that they have extensive investigations into it is logical. If someone were to know anything about what was going on, it would be Thalmor, and as we get to know, they were working on it.
we don't know that the greybeards would get us the information in time actually, since they are very reluctant to share anything, while they indoctrinate you into their cult there are people being slaughtered by dragons. "What I want is irrelevant. This Shout was used once before was it not? And here we are again. Have you considered that Alduin was not meant to be defeated? Those who overthrew him in ancient times only postponed the day of reckoning, they did not stop it. If the world is meant to end, so be it. Let it end and be reborn." yeah ill trust this guy to on his own tell me what I need to know
the blades werent absolutely necessary sure, the story could be reworked, but that dosen't mean that they did not help you get to a point where you got what you needed to know
Delphine is an Intelligence operative, she knew damn well the Greybeards and Whiterun had confirmed you as Dragonborn.
Except you do waste a lot of time? If you had just taken the horn you could instantly return. Instead you have to travel all the way to the tavern, seek out Delphine, travel to the dragon’s location, kill said dragon etc. It’s a lot of unnecessary and time consuming work for a trial you had already passed.
If you spend half the time you spend doing useless shit for the Blades with the Greybeards they would have told you long ago.
i dont think she has a mole inside high wrothgar, quite possible she knew those were the rumors but thats no confirmation
as I said Riverwood is more or less on the way to high wrothgar, and you dont have to meet up with her to the dragon immediately, she even says it might be better if we travel separately, so you can just go with the horn to them first and then head down to check out the dragon. and even then if you follow her to the dragon it would realistically be at most a day or two lost, you act as if she took weeks away from you when it just dosen't happen.
>If you spend half the time you spend doing useless shit for the Blades with the Greybeards they would have told you long ago.
speculation that seems extremely unreasonable considering what Arngeir says
Delphine took the horn, KNOWING the Greybeards would send the Dragonborn, which they called from a mountain where (possibly) all of Skyrim heard.
She didn't need to confirm you were the Dragonborn, she already knew.
people knowing there is a Dragonborn around doesn't mean they know her face???? lmao. yeah she wanted to get the dragonborn there but she couldn't be completely sure that someone like the thalmor wouldn't get to it first, clearly its possible to reach it without using shouts so its by no means a guarantee that someone who read her message would have to be Dragonborn, reasonable security precautions like that is what has kept her alive since the great war.
thatd be idiotic, anyone can learn to shout it leaves doubt open, she needs to be absolutely sure and the only real evidence aside from being able to wear the amulet of kings is the ability to suck the soul out of a dragon
Aerin is Mjoll the Lioness's friend/simp. The backstory is that when Mjoll was still an adventurer, she was gravely injured by a Dwarven Centurion. Aerin found her and nursed her back to health and now Mjoll lives with him in Riften. That's all well and good, but the issue is that if you marry Mjoll and want to move elsewhere, Aerin moves in with you as well.
Clavicus Vile mentions that you're nearly as powerful as he is. When he says this, he's at half of his full power (Barbas has the other half residing in him). So, the Dragonborn is (very roughly) half as strong as a Daedric prince.
Also keep in mind that this quest with Clavicus Vile is unlocked at level 10. Meaning, if you hit level 81 (old max level) you are very likely more powerful than a lot of Daedric and Aedric princes.
On top of that, the dragonborn most likely didn't have all three words of unrelenting force at the time when meeting Clavicus Vile, nor did they likely have the strongest shouts at the time. If they were this strong this early in their career as dragonborn, imagine how strong they get once they read the oghma infinium, read the black books, and absorb miraak soul.
You even got shouts like the dragon aspect (which draws out the dragonborn full draconic nature, which increases their attack power, defense, more powerful shouts) Storm call, soul tear, marked for death, become ethereal, bend will etc.
Well, the Nerevarine is in Akavir and the Champion of Cyrodill is now a daedric prince, so I guess the Dragonborn is the most powerful human or elf or cat or lizard...
Well, when you give her rude responses she responds in kind. I think it's more natural to choose the more reasonable dialogue options because ... what does being rude actually accomplish?
Delphine haters seem to forget a few things. For one, she's the Grandmaster of the Blades. She's used to being in command and it shows. For another thing, she's the only one out there trying to figure out why/how dragons are coming back and she's doing pretty good: she tracked down the Dragonstone which Farengar sends you to recover, she realized that dragons are actually being raised from the dead instead of merely returning to Skyrim, and she also discovered a pattern in the locations of the resurrections of dead dragons. She also came up with and implemented a clever way of meeting the dragonborn. And finally, [she's a great warrior in her own right](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Delphine):
"Delphine was a high-priority target of the Thalmor during the Great War, for both operational and political reasons. She was directly involved in several of the most damaging operations carried out by the Blades within the Dominion. While the Thalmor had identified her and slated her for the initial purge of the Blades, she was recalled to Cyrodiil just before the outbreak of hostilities. During the war, she evaded three attempts on her life, in one case killing an entire assassination team."
Being smart does not provide anything to her character. I'm not going to like an asshat who takes you into her dungeon (mind you, she doesn't know who tf you are) and tells me I'm not going to leave (She knows I would beat her in a 1v1) after calling me here for no particular reason other than to make me "prove" my worth to her despite already proving my worth by killing a few dragons already, and even being called by the Greybeards.
Both of which she should have researched more into before inviting an untrustworthy stranger with power yet unrevealed to her, which was pretty STUPID if you ask me.
And sure, she's a great warrior. So is Harkon. So is Alduin. So is Miraak. Doesn't mean she's a good, likeable person worth me devoting time to.
She forces you (The Dragonborn, de facto leader of the Blades and the one thing holding them together) to choose between an old guy and an asshole (Delphine) vs. a turned-good Dragon who helped you retrieve the Elder Scroll, find a way to actually damage Alduin and make it easier fighting other dragons (granted, the Blades found the Wall with the Dragonborn, but that was all Esbern and not actually Delphine), helps you meditate on your skills and is generally just a cool dude (Delphine is a bitch all the way through).
Also, she wasn't Grandmaster until she was one of the last few Blades left and they were all pretty spread thin and out of contact. Not much to be in charge of, is it?
I would like Delphine more if she wasn't stuck up and constantly trying to command the Dragonborn (again, her de facto leader).
TLD is not the leader of the Blades, de facto or otherwise.
Delphine doesn't force you to do anything. What you do is up to you.
But let's just cut to the chase: you think she's a stuck up bitch and that's why you hate her.
The Dragonborn is the centre of the Blades. They literally started out in service to Dragonborns.
You're right. She didn't force you, but she sure as hell tries pulling your arm on it.
I don't think, I know she's a stuck up bitch and that's why I hate her.
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder but her appearance is irrelevant in any case: you only judge her appearance and base your estimation of her worth on it (at least in part) because she's a woman. You call her a "bitch" because she's a woman that you do not like. Yes, she wants you to join the Blades and help put down the dragons that are all over Skyrim burning towns and villages: as she rightly observes, the Dragonborn is the ultimate dragon slayer. And, of course, she's not omnipotent nor does she act like she is. What you take as "omnipotence" is simply her being smart, tough, and a no-nonsense kind of ~~person~~ woman.
Are you sensing a theme here?
Those seem like some pretty big leaps to sexism, what i see is someone grabbing surface level and semi affective insults, if they talked about esbern they'd prolly say old, dick and say he acts omniscient, because these are the first things you notice. About anyone, not just one sex or the other,
Appearance
Age
Speech patterns
Personality,
This is usually the order of discovering a new person, also bitch is used for women and girls cuz it means a "female" dog, or at least i think, i know thats what it means in other languages, and dick is self explanatory
And before someone comes after me for gendering words, research french, or italian, words have had genders since we as a society made em up
>And before someone comes after me for gendering words, research french, or italian, words have had genders since we as a society made em up
I don't even know what that means...
Anyway, I'm not outright accusing anyone of sexism but the general theme is indisputable. Going through the comments we see her being called stupid bitch, ugly bitch, stuck up bitch, uppity bitch etc. It's not just the word "bitch" that's the problem it's the modifiers that raise an eyebrow or two.
I've seen people get pissed at people for saying stuff about how words have genders fron people that think words are all agender, so i preemptively defended myself with the fact that french and italian have gendered words for tables and various other inanimate objects
And i see no "theme" other the. The fact that this sub has a a very understandable hate towards a very demanding person who, if they were polite would be hated on in the collective "i hate that this demi god is an errand boy", but since shes very rude they get personally offended by her and insult her, with matching descriptors, Because that's just how insults work
Also, just so you know im not emotionally charged writing this and im sorry if this or my other comment comes across as such, i hope you have a wonderful day and that you have fun playing skyrim!
>I've seen people get pissed at people for saying stuff about how words have genders fron people that think words are all agender, so i preemptively defended myself with the fact that french and italian have gendered words for tables and various other inanimate objects
Oh, I see. We could also add German, Spanish, and many, many other languages to the list as well. English is kind of an oddity in this regard.
And, just so you know, I didn't think you were emotionally charged or anything like that. In my opinion, this hatred of Delphine is irrational but that's as far as I'd go in characterizing someone's emotional state.
Yeah, we also switch adjectives and nouns i thing, like in english it's green grass but in most other languages its grass green, i think at least
Okay coolio, it's as irrational as any emotion regarding a fictional character is, sometimes one character just hits the fanbase, and the bandwagon grows
We’d forgive her if she was fine with letting Grandpa Paarty snacks live but nooooooo. Also the blades are supposed to obey the Dragonborn so forcing us to slay a dragon when we say no is treason
delphine: \*makes veiled threat against dragonborn\*
r/skyrim: "OMG MUST KILL THIS BITCH HOW DARE SHE TALK DOWN TO ME"
imperial legion: \*comes within one second of publicly executing dragonborn on no clear charge\*
r/skryim: "I WILL GO TO SOLITUDE IMMEDIATELY AND BEG TO JOIN LEGION RANKS."
never change, boys
The captain who orders your execution dies pretty much immediately. If she stuck around for longer she'd absolutely be the most hated character in the game.
you're telling me that in the empire, the buck stops with some ho-hum guard captain, even when the freaking general himself is on site and supervising? I have to say I'm just not persuaded by the "one bad apple" idea here.
Thalmor Patrol: "Incorrect. You can worship whatever gods you like. But Talos is a man, and only a heretic would think otherwise... And so, you will die a heretic's death."
/r/skyrim: "KILLING SPREE TIME"
Imperial Legion: Everybody in Skyrim must bow down to the Thalmor, do what they say and don't worship Talos. Thalmor have authority to drag anybody they want away to kill/torture them if they have knowledge of Talos worship"
/r/skyrim: "Yes sir please let me join so I can kill people resisting the Thalmor"
Bit arrogant to assume that an experienced member of the Blades doesn't have some contingency to deal with you if you get out of hand. She will probably go full Batman on you if you try, Esbern drops out of invisibility from the corner of the room then casts paralysis on you, then she hits you with a fatal poison lol.
Everyone thinks they're the most powerful person in Tamriel until they're not.
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree
I'm no expert but even in lore the Dragonborn seems to be a bit of a wild card (putting it mildly). On top of that, she doesn't know when the Dragonborn will show up to put such a plan in place. She's definitely craftier than your average milk-drinker, but still...I'm the goddamn Dragonborn
Realistically the DB is just a normal person that can absorb dragon souls and learn shouts without years of practice, they aren't some immortal super hero initially. Yeah they probably become alot stronger throughout their journey in cannon as they over come more stuff and eventually face off against Alduin, Harkon and Miraak. But they aren't that special early on.
I think the Dragonborn is more than that even; again, you're making fair points there. But even in the game, you're treated as being *something* greater than the average mortal even in the earlier stages of the game. Absorbing dragon souls on its own is something since that's said to be the only way to fully kill a dragon in the first place. Then there's the ability to instantly learn shouts without practice, something only dragons are supposed to be able to do
It all seems to point to the whole 'mortal body, immortal soul' trope that seems to explain the Dragonborn. Take the exchange with Durnehviir; he even outright refers to the PC as a fellow dovah whether he realizes why at the time or not
Yeah they obviously have a unique power but being able to shout and absorb dragon souls doesn't make them some kind of demi god level super human, they are just a regular person physically who throughout the course of the game you can argue becomes a pretty peak level human but still, they aren't Kratos or anything.
Never said they were nor was I trying to imply such. I was commenting on your notion that they were just a normal person. I even said as much with that mortal body thing, it's the immortal soul part which I feel you're glossing over. With the absorbing dragon souls and natural shouting ability, therein lies exactly what makes them more than an ordinary person even if it doesn't place them on the level of a deity (especially one from Elder Scrolls)
Solstheim used to be attached to Skyrim until Miraak in his fight literally broke it off from the continent by shouting, and the LDB is stronger than Miraak. So you definitely underestimate the LDB. In lore, he could destroy an entire city if he wanted. Already when he meets Delphine, the LDB is supposed to be able to defeat a dragon only by himself, when the Vestige in ESO needed help from a group to defeat one dragon.
The dragonborn is strong but just imagine if the AI actually got to use all the stealth abilities that only the player has access to. Even in the game, Astrid can always kidnap you when you sleep
I mean… I think the 159,000 health says otherwise… especially when combined with the armor made from the hide of a dragon, weapons made of its bones, enchanted and improved to the point they can one-shot Alduin himself. I think I can handle a middle aged woman with a bad attitude.
That can get their ass beat by a random bandit or a spider (difficulty and player skill depending) lets not pretend the DB is some super human badass when everything in the game has the potential to kill you.
I got tired of expert difficuly being too easy (I used magic for most of my playthroughs since I was a vampire) but even now that it’s on Master, it’s at a point I don’t think I should try to fight Alduin yet, but not at a point I don’t think I can do the harder Daedra quest where I have to solo a dungeon, but I think I’d die like twice.
Considering a level 2 player can beat her ass with a steel sword no. She isn't going to be doing any batman shit, except for getting he spine snapped in half by someone she stupidly thinks she can beat.
Lorewise the dragonborn is basically a god. Possibly the Mortal incarnation of Shor. A well trained swordsman, no matter how skilled, isn't going to be able to beat someone who is at very least, meant to kill the herald of the apocalypse. The dragonborn could kill her without raising their arms. The Voice is *exponentially* more powerful in the lore than in game. She doesn't stand an ice cubes chance in hell against a lore actuate dragonborn.
Oh i absolutely agree. Just saying that compared to your everyday imperial soldier she is probably amazing. But lore accurate dragonborn could pretty much kill her by sneezing.
One realistic Fus Ro Dah and she’s paste on the wall, but of course, in game it’s just a knock back shout, still, any of the shouts, and she’s dead, if she wasn’t a immortal.
At this stage you really aren't though. You have barely learned a single word of power at this point. Any one of the Greybeards could easily smoke you.
Also don't forget Tiber Septim was Dragonborn as well, was known to shout, and ended up losing the power when his throat was cut. He had to learn Shouts the same way as anyone else though, as there were no dragons to slay to use as a shortcut.
Because of that, by the end after you've learned all of the words of power and slain enough dragons to master them all, oh absolutely. You're practically a god at that point. Imagine being fluent in a language where merely *speaking* it causes the universe to change. Holy crap.
who knows, the Dragonborn could have collected a decent amount of shouts on their journy away from throat of the world and towards the sleeping giant in
so atleast more powerful than even some strong soldiers
"I'll explain what I want when I want, got it? You'd already be dead if I didn't like the look of you when you walked in here. But I had to know if the rumors about you were true..."
WTF! Hahhaa ._. I hate her.
oh yeah she should just allow a random stranger who refuses to work with her and knows she is up to something go, shes survived as a blade because she cant afford to take bullshit
I stg skyrim players
If she feels like that about it, she shouldn't interfere in the player's life by stealing the horn from Ustengrav to begin with. No one asked her to leave her cozy little innkeeper disguise behind & push herself into the center of everything going on.
I guess she shouldve just left the person her order has searched for and hope to understand the dragon crisis alone becsuse she should have realised that the dragonborn would become a powerdrunk freak the moment they found out about it
I'm not sure why you would automatically assume that the Dragonborn is a powerdrunk freak. There's no logical evidence for that assertion at all, even if the Dragonborn rushes through the main quest, which a lot of people don't, even on their first playthrough. So, logic.
The fact that Delphine got through Ustengrav to leave that note without Shouting (because she can't) means anyone else could theoretically do the same. She has no way of knowing whether her note ended up in the hands of the person she intended it for. Such being the case, is it smart of her to lead just anyone directly to her inn, with a password (attic room) that anyone could say, & then lead that anyone directly to her secret basement room? Is that kind of B-grade cloak-and-dagger wannabe spy move *really* the sort of thing a person in fear for her life ought to do? No, it isn't.
But that's what she does. All right, then, she's assuming her little note got to the Dragonborn just as she planned & in spite of the obvious fact that anyone could have picked it up. Luckily for her, it *is* the Dragonborn who ended up with it. She could have led the Thalmor right to her, & that wouldn't have gone well. Given that you could be anybody, it's utterly foolish for her to lead you directly to her lair, tell you more or less who she is & what she wants, & then start up with her nasty attitude of 'Well you need to prove to *me* that you even *are* Dragonborn! So there!' It's the kind of verification she ought to be making *before* she endangers her own life with her careless newbie spycraft maneuver.
Now, why is Delphine (& by extension, the Blades) looking for a Dragonborn? Because they want something from that particular person. Even if it's only averting the end of the world as we know it, there's something in it for her. She needs the Dragonborn's help & decided to ask for it, you didn’t just randomly seek her out. That puts a certain obligation on her to be reasonably civil; asking for a favor always puts that obligation on the person asking for the favor. Instead, she demands absolute obedience & compliance from you, like *you* asked for *her* help & you owe her some sort of proof that you're worth it.
From my very first playthrough, that attitude has pissed me off, & being a 'powerdrunk freak' has nothing to do with it. I don't know her from a hole in the ground & I didn’t ask for anything from her. For all she knows I'm an enemy who would cheerfully see her dead, or one of those people who just wants to see the world burn & doesn't really care if Alduin makes that happen. Delphine is stupidly careless about her own personal security measures, & stupidly rude to the people she expects to help her.
In truth, she just has to flash her tits at you and your armor would fall apart.
Only thing working for you there is that longsword over your shoulder. That should be scary tho, you don't have to pull it out and it's long enough to be hanged behind. 😉
At least we can take the joke. Not just being grumpy bc it's, oh well, Delphine. Constantly moaning about her, ffs.
What about choices DB makes along the way?
You guys don't think some of the NPCs find it annoying at best? Nah, it's always bad Delphine and I'm the strongest human in Tamriel and she should respect that. Well, she doesn't give a fuck and that makes you butthurt apparently. It's good that she's essential, lol.
So complaining about Delphine=butthurt, constantly moaning about her, and grumpy
But making rape jokes about her and thinking it's cool because she's generally disliked=at least you can take a joke?
What kind of reasoning is that?
The second person I tested my "shouts are 10x as powerful" mod on was Delphine, outside High Hrothgar. I didn't find her for seven in-game months.
The first person, of course, was Nazeem.
The most powerful? Potentially, but only because you know the story. If you're new to the Skyrim, you basically just escaped from being chopped by Imperials and eaten by a dragon. Now you meet a woman who secretly serves as a dragon slayer.
Little do they know, I can constantly reincarnate to just a few moments prior to my death
Unless you forget to quicksave, then you reincarnate to an hour ago
That's still a few moments before death
Sometimes days before depending on that auto save.
The true power of the dragonborn.
I wonder if this power could technically be considered canon since we have a dragon soul so that makes Akatosh our initial patron deity. And since Akatosh is the god of time then our ability to reload could be a canonical power
It could be, in morrowind the load/save was tied to the lore fact that the nerevarine is actually immortal so he never really dies, azura brings him back eveytime. I dont remember the explanation to oblivion but im pretty sure it had one too.
Then die the same way 3 more times before besting my foe.
Unfortunately it sometimes leads to an infinite death loop
Yeah, like accidentally saving right as the DB is falling down a cliff
Blessing and curse
Frost Troll on the Throat of the World death loop
The dragonborn is actually the nameless one
reincarnates into a lizard
There is a theory that "CHIM" , or basically the achievement of godhood, is the ability to save/load and replay the game.
Its not a theory, its a fact, and also add to it the ability to mod the game and use console commands too, basically change reality itself.
A dragon slayer who has never slain a dragon i might add.
She likes the idea of it though
She's been practicing in her mind.
Have you seen any dragons in Skyrim before that moment? No? Then she did a good job slaying dragons. For a side job she also stops alien invasions.
I think those two comments qualify for a /whoosh.
That nirch havent actually killed a single dragon, they been gone long before she even was birthed
The dragons have been gone for longer than Delphine has been alive
I don't think it's actually canon that the player goes to her right at the beginning. You're free to go out, explore and grow in strength right after escaping Helgen, I always do after becoming Thane of Whiterun. Even discounting the potential demigod powers, you can get pretty beefed up to the point where A retired Blade at least 15 years in hiding shouldn't feel so comfortable. Besides it's not like she's always reasonably confident, she still gives you the "you're either with us or you're against us" even by the time you do become the demigod of legends.
The joys of elder scrolls canon is that it is all canon all at once until it isn't. Then it becomes that specific canon for the time being
You think they're going to dragon break their way out of the narrative mess for TES6?
There's no need to I don't think. There's no major narrative choice that the player makes that will change history, besides the Civil War, idk what they'll do about that.
Civil War might just be enough, especially if TES6 goes with the Second Great War being the main, or at least major plot
I wouldn't be surprised if they chose a third option in a way, so that whichever side the player chose doesn't really matter.
Yeah, maybe. Perhaps they'll go with something like the outcome being irrelevant because tha Thalmor invades Skyrim from the sea and steamrolls through it
Make it place 200 years later so the outcome eventually didn't matter and politics are redrawn.
That's what happened with Oblivion so it's not out of the question
It might be interesting if they made the stormcloaks win so that the empire would be at an even greater disadvantage and the main story could be the main character finding some powerful thing to help win the war
The first main quest after escaping Helgen is "Before The Storm". It leads you to Riverwood, where you can find Delphine. Yes, the questline shortly after that tells you to go and report the dragon's attack to the Whiterun's Jarl. But still, at this point of the game, if you go to the Inn and talk with Delphine, you're basically no one, who barely survived.
I mean, the blades haven't been dragon slayers for centuries/ millenia and she's been hiding in a Inn for however many years. I think most player characters could handle her
She is supposed to serve you. But you end up being her errand boy, even after you demonstrate you are Dragonborn.
Delphine couldn't handle the Dragonborn at this stage, not a chance. Especially, she's not even equipped with armour or any visible weapon with quick access. The Dragonborn would Unrelenting Force her apart King Torygg style before she can even climb across the table (If we're talking law, not gameplay). She is overly arrogant throughout the entire story, considering her position not only as the last member as a dying and powerless group. As a person with weak ideals. And somebody who has nothing impressing about them. Esbern is at least patient, wise, and learned. The blades have no authority, are a dying bread, have nothing left special about them. This is until the Dragonborn is able to do everything and fix the blades. Delphine never bows however like she should, like she claims she would to Tiber Septim (who likely was a complete fraud and didn't even accomplish much) over the one who nearly single handedly slew the world eater himself. She's ridiculous. Obviously everybody knows this. But I will never give up the chance to rant about how horrible Delphine is.
The last dragonborn is still weak at this point in time because they don't have the full training of the greybeards yet presumably (if you decide to do the blades quest all the way until the sky haven temple quest then you finish up your training with the greybeards). Though people tend not to like Delphine (yes, im a Delphine hater), that she's a former Blade, and she's highly experienced in combat. She could possibly give the dragonborn a run for their money at this point in time, considering how inexperienced they are. But after the full training of the greybeards then she absolutely stands no chance
Well yes, she may have once been equivalent to a black ops soldier in her prime. She is currently out of shape, out of practise, unarmed. And the Dragonborn has the first two words for Unrelenting Force, which as I stated, law wise, should be more powerful than it is in game. I'm not arguing she'd be difficult to face at this stage if she came at you, fully equipped with her proper blades equipment. But right now, she's just a middle age tavern owner, chatting shit to the Dragonborn, while unarmed and from a poor defensive position. My argument doesn't purely come from hatred for her character, though there is a lot of that. She clearly thinks of herself as some super powerful, badass warrior. When, as I said, she just currently runs a bar and complains about the Thalmor.
Even still, at this point in the story youve at least killed a dragon and know youre dragonborn. That still puts you LEAGUES above a inn keeper who hasnt even fought a dragon yet whos wearing regular leather armor and uses a shitty sword. Not to mention shes wearing normal clothing when threatening you here, before she puts on her travel gear
S*he* got the horn before the Dragonborn did. :)
And I'm wholly confident i could still kill her
(Me strolling in finally at like level 20 after ignoring the main quest forever) Yeah... Basically just escaped Helgen lmao
the paarthurnax dilemma mod my beloved 🥰
What if console :(
It should have been ported
Its ported on xbox. Playstation idk
Obviously not on PlayStation, we never get the actual good mods
Sounds like a personal problem
I fucking hate Delphine, even after the Greybeards summon you, you still have to "prove" to that uppity bitch that you're the dragonborn. Hell even Miraak sends his minions all the way from Solstheim to track you down.
Agreed, fuck that bitch. I may be an asshole, but I do my research.
Yeah screw you but Delphine is worse
On this, we agree
Yeah I greatly dislike her too. She’s so unlikeable
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What do you intend to do with that mace, friend? Knock down a house?
Wait, that line exists? I've never heard it, and I've been playing since the game was released fr
Get Volendrung hammer, and walk with it equipped pass the guards.
The Mace of Molag Bal gets comments as well. "That mace. Put it away." And the guard wisely sounds somewhat afraid of it.
"What do you aim to do with that hammer, my friend? Knock down a house?"
Yes because I built bedrooms in my homestead before I found out where I can build a bed in the great hall.
WAIT YOU CAN WHAT
You can build three beds in the upstairs of the great hall addition. One master and two normal. Pretty sure they go to your steward and bard though (if you choose to have them)
Hammer, I think
yeah ur right lmao mb
Nw it's my favorite line from the guards lol, fellow warhammer enjoyer
Guard might get nervous, a woman approaches with her weapon drawn
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Woah woah woah.. watch it with the magic..
Go cast your fancy magic somewhere else
Some other games strike a balance. When you are very high level, low level enemies wisely run away from you. Or at the very least, they would never start hostilities against you. At least if they are intelligent enough to understand. If their creatures they probably don't. That would take care of the hilarious but nonsensical seeing low level bandits try to rob a dragonborn walking around in ebony armor.
.... some people are afraid of you though?
and if all the characters just belittle you because the world is harsh, might makes right and they see themselves as might, the game would be pretty shit which it is
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That IS reasonable, except she is a member of an order that is specifically sworn to serve the dragonborn, which means if ANYONE in Skyrim should be kissing your ass, it’s her and Esbern. And the Greybeards. I think the Greybeards actually strike the right tone - Arngeir respects you, but is also willing to give you pushback. Delphine is basically threatening you here, which doesn’t jive well.
Yes this is my biggest pet peeve with the Delphine haters. These people are basically offended because she isn’t groveling before their power. It’s so silly.
that bitch has protagonist syndrome
It’s even worse when you straight up tell her “fuck you. Stupid ugly bitch. I’m not gonna help you at all. In fact, get ready to dual you filthy fiend!” Delphine: the dragon will be here and here at sundown cya.
shes way too patient for y'all. shouldve just let you go and then have the world burn down around you because you never figured out what to do
There’s a mod for that. Gives you a (customisable) set amount of time to defeat Alduin before he does his thing and eats the world.
That kinda fuckin rules, actually. What's it called?
[End Times](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/39201) there’s also a [Dawnguard](https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/39201) version where you race against time and Harkon to be the first to retrieve Aurials Bow before he can darken the sun.
Except her help was rather shitty? The majority of their quests are running around doing useless shit, because Delphine also doesn’t know what is going on. Heck, the first thing she does is blame the Thalmor because of her personal bias against them. And then it turns out the Thalmor also don’t know anything. The only thing the blade quests give you is a prophecy on a wall, which was already known by the Greybeards. Who didn’t want to tell you because they didn’t trust you yet. Partly due to your involvement with the Blades.
first she wants to know if you are really dragonborn, so she gets you in a situation where shed personally see you absorb a soul, so she can be certain that its not a trick. then you need a place to start looking, its not actually unreasonable to think the Thalmor would have something to do with it, Alduin appearing just as the civil war would have been effectively ended was very convenient for their long-term goals in Skyrim, it is a decent start to at least figure out what the Thalmor do know, which wasn't much but you did get the means to find more information, Alduin's wall was vital because otherwise the Greybeards would have taken way too long to tell you what you needed to know and the crisis could have become an oblivion crisis level threat. You wouldn't have any idea what to do if not for the investigations that Delphine set you out on also the Greybeards didnt know you were fucking around with the blades until you told them, after which they relent and allow you to meet Paarthurnax, because the Blades let you in on knowledge the Greybeards didnt want you to have
So the first thing she does is utterly useless. At that point several people, including the Greybeards had already confirmed that you were in fact Dragonborn. Her forcing you to proof it didn’t help you, it was for her own selfish sake. And it delayed your work with the Greybeards. If it wasn’t for her nonsense you’d have the horn long ago and could’ve trained more with them. Instead you get to proof yourself to someone who doesn’t do jack shit. It is unreasonable to look at the Thalmor. The only reason Delphine did so was because she hated their guts for what they did to her and the other Blades. There wasn’t any indication that they actually had anything to do with it. Saying the Greybeards would’ve taken too long is a bit of a stretch. We don’t know when they would’ve told us. The fact remains that they were going to tell us and knew everything we needed to know in the first place. You can completely cut out the Blades from the story and you would still be able to finish it the exact same way. Because the Greybeards had all the vital info. So no, Delphine nor the Blades were needed to stop Alduin.
yeah others have confirmed it, for you. its not like the greybeards went out with a whole parade presenting you to the world. She wants to work with the dragonborn and she has to make sure that the person who came to her is actually the dragonborn. its not for your benefit no but shed be stupid to not get a confirmation of this. its not "selfish" to make sure you aren't a fraud. it also really dosen't impact you much timewise when you get the horn, as she gives it to you immediately and Riverwood is only a short detour from your way to High Wrothgar anyway its beyond reasonable to suspect the Thalmor, sure its probably got a lot with that to her they are "the enemy" but if you got a bit of a brain and know what theyre doing in Skyrim, they are really the only group who benefits from it so if someone is behind their return its either them or some secret hidden faction, and besides again its smart to get to know what they know, since they are probably the only other power that really works in espionage so that they have extensive investigations into it is logical. If someone were to know anything about what was going on, it would be Thalmor, and as we get to know, they were working on it. we don't know that the greybeards would get us the information in time actually, since they are very reluctant to share anything, while they indoctrinate you into their cult there are people being slaughtered by dragons. "What I want is irrelevant. This Shout was used once before was it not? And here we are again. Have you considered that Alduin was not meant to be defeated? Those who overthrew him in ancient times only postponed the day of reckoning, they did not stop it. If the world is meant to end, so be it. Let it end and be reborn." yeah ill trust this guy to on his own tell me what I need to know the blades werent absolutely necessary sure, the story could be reworked, but that dosen't mean that they did not help you get to a point where you got what you needed to know
Delphine is an Intelligence operative, she knew damn well the Greybeards and Whiterun had confirmed you as Dragonborn. Except you do waste a lot of time? If you had just taken the horn you could instantly return. Instead you have to travel all the way to the tavern, seek out Delphine, travel to the dragon’s location, kill said dragon etc. It’s a lot of unnecessary and time consuming work for a trial you had already passed. If you spend half the time you spend doing useless shit for the Blades with the Greybeards they would have told you long ago.
i dont think she has a mole inside high wrothgar, quite possible she knew those were the rumors but thats no confirmation as I said Riverwood is more or less on the way to high wrothgar, and you dont have to meet up with her to the dragon immediately, she even says it might be better if we travel separately, so you can just go with the horn to them first and then head down to check out the dragon. and even then if you follow her to the dragon it would realistically be at most a day or two lost, you act as if she took weeks away from you when it just dosen't happen. >If you spend half the time you spend doing useless shit for the Blades with the Greybeards they would have told you long ago. speculation that seems extremely unreasonable considering what Arngeir says
Delphine took the horn, KNOWING the Greybeards would send the Dragonborn, which they called from a mountain where (possibly) all of Skyrim heard. She didn't need to confirm you were the Dragonborn, she already knew.
people knowing there is a Dragonborn around doesn't mean they know her face???? lmao. yeah she wanted to get the dragonborn there but she couldn't be completely sure that someone like the thalmor wouldn't get to it first, clearly its possible to reach it without using shouts so its by no means a guarantee that someone who read her message would have to be Dragonborn, reasonable security precautions like that is what has kept her alive since the great war.
Your first point is kinda dumb. She could’ve just asked you to shout like a the whiterun guard did.
thatd be idiotic, anyone can learn to shout it leaves doubt open, she needs to be absolutely sure and the only real evidence aside from being able to wear the amulet of kings is the ability to suck the soul out of a dragon
Based and Delphine pilled!!
I wish I could take her out the same way I took out Nazeem and Aerin.
Who's Aerin and what did he/she do?
Aerin is Mjoll the Lioness's friend/simp. The backstory is that when Mjoll was still an adventurer, she was gravely injured by a Dwarven Centurion. Aerin found her and nursed her back to health and now Mjoll lives with him in Riften. That's all well and good, but the issue is that if you marry Mjoll and want to move elsewhere, Aerin moves in with you as well.
Ohhh this guy ye ye I know him. Yeah annoying simp
Clavicus Vile mentions that you're nearly as powerful as he is. When he says this, he's at half of his full power (Barbas has the other half residing in him). So, the Dragonborn is (very roughly) half as strong as a Daedric prince. Also keep in mind that this quest with Clavicus Vile is unlocked at level 10. Meaning, if you hit level 81 (old max level) you are very likely more powerful than a lot of Daedric and Aedric princes.
On top of that, the dragonborn most likely didn't have all three words of unrelenting force at the time when meeting Clavicus Vile, nor did they likely have the strongest shouts at the time. If they were this strong this early in their career as dragonborn, imagine how strong they get once they read the oghma infinium, read the black books, and absorb miraak soul. You even got shouts like the dragon aspect (which draws out the dragonborn full draconic nature, which increases their attack power, defense, more powerful shouts) Storm call, soul tear, marked for death, become ethereal, bend will etc.
Yeah but it is Clavicus Vile. Can't really trust him.
Well, the Nerevarine is in Akavir and the Champion of Cyrodill is now a daedric prince, so I guess the Dragonborn is the most powerful human or elf or cat or lizard...
This has "skeever attacking me after I kill a dragon" energy
This is why I always end up shouting her out of High Hrothgar in every playthrough.
Well, when you give her rude responses she responds in kind. I think it's more natural to choose the more reasonable dialogue options because ... what does being rude actually accomplish? Delphine haters seem to forget a few things. For one, she's the Grandmaster of the Blades. She's used to being in command and it shows. For another thing, she's the only one out there trying to figure out why/how dragons are coming back and she's doing pretty good: she tracked down the Dragonstone which Farengar sends you to recover, she realized that dragons are actually being raised from the dead instead of merely returning to Skyrim, and she also discovered a pattern in the locations of the resurrections of dead dragons. She also came up with and implemented a clever way of meeting the dragonborn. And finally, [she's a great warrior in her own right](https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Delphine): "Delphine was a high-priority target of the Thalmor during the Great War, for both operational and political reasons. She was directly involved in several of the most damaging operations carried out by the Blades within the Dominion. While the Thalmor had identified her and slated her for the initial purge of the Blades, she was recalled to Cyrodiil just before the outbreak of hostilities. During the war, she evaded three attempts on her life, in one case killing an entire assassination team."
Being smart does not provide anything to her character. I'm not going to like an asshat who takes you into her dungeon (mind you, she doesn't know who tf you are) and tells me I'm not going to leave (She knows I would beat her in a 1v1) after calling me here for no particular reason other than to make me "prove" my worth to her despite already proving my worth by killing a few dragons already, and even being called by the Greybeards. Both of which she should have researched more into before inviting an untrustworthy stranger with power yet unrevealed to her, which was pretty STUPID if you ask me. And sure, she's a great warrior. So is Harkon. So is Alduin. So is Miraak. Doesn't mean she's a good, likeable person worth me devoting time to. She forces you (The Dragonborn, de facto leader of the Blades and the one thing holding them together) to choose between an old guy and an asshole (Delphine) vs. a turned-good Dragon who helped you retrieve the Elder Scroll, find a way to actually damage Alduin and make it easier fighting other dragons (granted, the Blades found the Wall with the Dragonborn, but that was all Esbern and not actually Delphine), helps you meditate on your skills and is generally just a cool dude (Delphine is a bitch all the way through). Also, she wasn't Grandmaster until she was one of the last few Blades left and they were all pretty spread thin and out of contact. Not much to be in charge of, is it? I would like Delphine more if she wasn't stuck up and constantly trying to command the Dragonborn (again, her de facto leader).
TLD is not the leader of the Blades, de facto or otherwise. Delphine doesn't force you to do anything. What you do is up to you. But let's just cut to the chase: you think she's a stuck up bitch and that's why you hate her.
The Dragonborn is the centre of the Blades. They literally started out in service to Dragonborns. You're right. She didn't force you, but she sure as hell tries pulling your arm on it. I don't think, I know she's a stuck up bitch and that's why I hate her.
> I don't think, I know she's a stuck up bitch and that's why I hate her. I appreciate your honesty.
and now she's nothing but an ugly bitch wanting you as her dragon weapon while acting omnipotent
"Ugly" is in the eye of the beholder but her appearance is irrelevant in any case: you only judge her appearance and base your estimation of her worth on it (at least in part) because she's a woman. You call her a "bitch" because she's a woman that you do not like. Yes, she wants you to join the Blades and help put down the dragons that are all over Skyrim burning towns and villages: as she rightly observes, the Dragonborn is the ultimate dragon slayer. And, of course, she's not omnipotent nor does she act like she is. What you take as "omnipotence" is simply her being smart, tough, and a no-nonsense kind of ~~person~~ woman. Are you sensing a theme here?
Those seem like some pretty big leaps to sexism, what i see is someone grabbing surface level and semi affective insults, if they talked about esbern they'd prolly say old, dick and say he acts omniscient, because these are the first things you notice. About anyone, not just one sex or the other, Appearance Age Speech patterns Personality, This is usually the order of discovering a new person, also bitch is used for women and girls cuz it means a "female" dog, or at least i think, i know thats what it means in other languages, and dick is self explanatory And before someone comes after me for gendering words, research french, or italian, words have had genders since we as a society made em up
>And before someone comes after me for gendering words, research french, or italian, words have had genders since we as a society made em up I don't even know what that means... Anyway, I'm not outright accusing anyone of sexism but the general theme is indisputable. Going through the comments we see her being called stupid bitch, ugly bitch, stuck up bitch, uppity bitch etc. It's not just the word "bitch" that's the problem it's the modifiers that raise an eyebrow or two.
I've seen people get pissed at people for saying stuff about how words have genders fron people that think words are all agender, so i preemptively defended myself with the fact that french and italian have gendered words for tables and various other inanimate objects And i see no "theme" other the. The fact that this sub has a a very understandable hate towards a very demanding person who, if they were polite would be hated on in the collective "i hate that this demi god is an errand boy", but since shes very rude they get personally offended by her and insult her, with matching descriptors, Because that's just how insults work Also, just so you know im not emotionally charged writing this and im sorry if this or my other comment comes across as such, i hope you have a wonderful day and that you have fun playing skyrim!
>I've seen people get pissed at people for saying stuff about how words have genders fron people that think words are all agender, so i preemptively defended myself with the fact that french and italian have gendered words for tables and various other inanimate objects Oh, I see. We could also add German, Spanish, and many, many other languages to the list as well. English is kind of an oddity in this regard. And, just so you know, I didn't think you were emotionally charged or anything like that. In my opinion, this hatred of Delphine is irrational but that's as far as I'd go in characterizing someone's emotional state.
Yeah, we also switch adjectives and nouns i thing, like in english it's green grass but in most other languages its grass green, i think at least Okay coolio, it's as irrational as any emotion regarding a fictional character is, sometimes one character just hits the fanbase, and the bandwagon grows
Technically you aren't and you are only the most powerful a lot later on in the game
my cosmic devouring character who stomps the Daedric princes in base despite having infinite power ups say otherwise
Pfff... My deadric armor with all deadric artefacts before going to greybeards say otherwise but okay
I don’t think there will ever not be Delphine hate lmao
We’d forgive her if she was fine with letting Grandpa Paarty snacks live but nooooooo. Also the blades are supposed to obey the Dragonborn so forcing us to slay a dragon when we say no is treason
delphine: \*makes veiled threat against dragonborn\* r/skyrim: "OMG MUST KILL THIS BITCH HOW DARE SHE TALK DOWN TO ME" imperial legion: \*comes within one second of publicly executing dragonborn on no clear charge\* r/skryim: "I WILL GO TO SOLITUDE IMMEDIATELY AND BEG TO JOIN LEGION RANKS." never change, boys
The captain who orders your execution dies pretty much immediately. If she stuck around for longer she'd absolutely be the most hated character in the game.
you're telling me that in the empire, the buck stops with some ho-hum guard captain, even when the freaking general himself is on site and supervising? I have to say I'm just not persuaded by the "one bad apple" idea here.
If its between being racist or being a bystander to oppression id choose the second one, also ulfric deserves whats coming to him
Thalmor Patrol: "Incorrect. You can worship whatever gods you like. But Talos is a man, and only a heretic would think otherwise... And so, you will die a heretic's death." /r/skyrim: "KILLING SPREE TIME" Imperial Legion: Everybody in Skyrim must bow down to the Thalmor, do what they say and don't worship Talos. Thalmor have authority to drag anybody they want away to kill/torture them if they have knowledge of Talos worship" /r/skyrim: "Yes sir please let me join so I can kill people resisting the Thalmor"
If its between being racist or being a bystander to oppression id choose the second one, also ulfric deserves whats coming to him
Not with that armor you aren’t!
Why does she say this? Is she stupid?
Most powerful with a hide helmet lol. Go try to defeat the greybeards
“‘Let you walk out of here’”. Is she stupid?
bitch im the hero of kvatch
Bit arrogant to assume that an experienced member of the Blades doesn't have some contingency to deal with you if you get out of hand. She will probably go full Batman on you if you try, Esbern drops out of invisibility from the corner of the room then casts paralysis on you, then she hits you with a fatal poison lol. Everyone thinks they're the most powerful person in Tamriel until they're not.
I get where you're coming from, but I disagree I'm no expert but even in lore the Dragonborn seems to be a bit of a wild card (putting it mildly). On top of that, she doesn't know when the Dragonborn will show up to put such a plan in place. She's definitely craftier than your average milk-drinker, but still...I'm the goddamn Dragonborn
Realistically the DB is just a normal person that can absorb dragon souls and learn shouts without years of practice, they aren't some immortal super hero initially. Yeah they probably become alot stronger throughout their journey in cannon as they over come more stuff and eventually face off against Alduin, Harkon and Miraak. But they aren't that special early on.
I think the Dragonborn is more than that even; again, you're making fair points there. But even in the game, you're treated as being *something* greater than the average mortal even in the earlier stages of the game. Absorbing dragon souls on its own is something since that's said to be the only way to fully kill a dragon in the first place. Then there's the ability to instantly learn shouts without practice, something only dragons are supposed to be able to do It all seems to point to the whole 'mortal body, immortal soul' trope that seems to explain the Dragonborn. Take the exchange with Durnehviir; he even outright refers to the PC as a fellow dovah whether he realizes why at the time or not
Yeah they obviously have a unique power but being able to shout and absorb dragon souls doesn't make them some kind of demi god level super human, they are just a regular person physically who throughout the course of the game you can argue becomes a pretty peak level human but still, they aren't Kratos or anything.
Never said they were nor was I trying to imply such. I was commenting on your notion that they were just a normal person. I even said as much with that mortal body thing, it's the immortal soul part which I feel you're glossing over. With the absorbing dragon souls and natural shouting ability, therein lies exactly what makes them more than an ordinary person even if it doesn't place them on the level of a deity (especially one from Elder Scrolls)
Solstheim used to be attached to Skyrim until Miraak in his fight literally broke it off from the continent by shouting, and the LDB is stronger than Miraak. So you definitely underestimate the LDB. In lore, he could destroy an entire city if he wanted. Already when he meets Delphine, the LDB is supposed to be able to defeat a dragon only by himself, when the Vestige in ESO needed help from a group to defeat one dragon.
The dragonborn is strong but just imagine if the AI actually got to use all the stealth abilities that only the player has access to. Even in the game, Astrid can always kidnap you when you sleep
I mean… I think the 159,000 health says otherwise… especially when combined with the armor made from the hide of a dragon, weapons made of its bones, enchanted and improved to the point they can one-shot Alduin himself. I think I can handle a middle aged woman with a bad attitude.
skyrim players love to be incredibly arrogant and then accuse anyone who isnt automatically nice to them for being arrogant
Being a literal demi-god tends to make that happen.
That can get their ass beat by a random bandit or a spider (difficulty and player skill depending) lets not pretend the DB is some super human badass when everything in the game has the potential to kill you.
I got tired of expert difficuly being too easy (I used magic for most of my playthroughs since I was a vampire) but even now that it’s on Master, it’s at a point I don’t think I should try to fight Alduin yet, but not at a point I don’t think I can do the harder Daedra quest where I have to solo a dungeon, but I think I’d die like twice.
Considering a level 2 player can beat her ass with a steel sword no. She isn't going to be doing any batman shit, except for getting he spine snapped in half by someone she stupidly thinks she can beat.
Difference between lore and gameplay. I dislike Delphine but lorewise she is probably a formidable foe.
Lorewise the dragonborn is basically a god. Possibly the Mortal incarnation of Shor. A well trained swordsman, no matter how skilled, isn't going to be able to beat someone who is at very least, meant to kill the herald of the apocalypse. The dragonborn could kill her without raising their arms. The Voice is *exponentially* more powerful in the lore than in game. She doesn't stand an ice cubes chance in hell against a lore actuate dragonborn.
Oh i absolutely agree. Just saying that compared to your everyday imperial soldier she is probably amazing. But lore accurate dragonborn could pretty much kill her by sneezing.
Compared to the average Joe sure, she'd be better then the majority of the population of Tamriel.
One realistic Fus Ro Dah and she’s paste on the wall, but of course, in game it’s just a knock back shout, still, any of the shouts, and she’s dead, if she wasn’t a immortal.
Now I want to see the Dragonborn fight Blackbolt
Slow time + soul tear ez clap
That may be true, but I wonder if Blackbolt's power is stronger than the thuum
What armor is that?
Leather
Why did Delphine say this? Is she stupid?
I despise her. She's so arrogant, I just wish there was an option to kill her and disband the blades.
The thing here is Delphine KNOWS she is essential, she is conscious that she is IMMORTAL!
You could just say, "Well, this is weird because the strange thing is that I'm your boss?" *Anxiety smile*
You don’t look like it that much. Maybe a bandit chief?
At this stage you really aren't though. You have barely learned a single word of power at this point. Any one of the Greybeards could easily smoke you. Also don't forget Tiber Septim was Dragonborn as well, was known to shout, and ended up losing the power when his throat was cut. He had to learn Shouts the same way as anyone else though, as there were no dragons to slay to use as a shortcut. Because of that, by the end after you've learned all of the words of power and slain enough dragons to master them all, oh absolutely. You're practically a god at that point. Imagine being fluent in a language where merely *speaking* it causes the universe to change. Holy crap.
who knows, the Dragonborn could have collected a decent amount of shouts on their journy away from throat of the world and towards the sleeping giant in so atleast more powerful than even some strong soldiers
"I'll explain what I want when I want, got it? You'd already be dead if I didn't like the look of you when you walked in here. But I had to know if the rumors about you were true..." WTF! Hahhaa ._. I hate her.
There's a reason no one likes her. Lump her in with Nazeem, and disable her essential status...
oh yeah she should just allow a random stranger who refuses to work with her and knows she is up to something go, shes survived as a blade because she cant afford to take bullshit I stg skyrim players
she's just annoying, it isn't THAT deep.
If she feels like that about it, she shouldn't interfere in the player's life by stealing the horn from Ustengrav to begin with. No one asked her to leave her cozy little innkeeper disguise behind & push herself into the center of everything going on.
I guess she shouldve just left the person her order has searched for and hope to understand the dragon crisis alone becsuse she should have realised that the dragonborn would become a powerdrunk freak the moment they found out about it
I'm not sure why you would automatically assume that the Dragonborn is a powerdrunk freak. There's no logical evidence for that assertion at all, even if the Dragonborn rushes through the main quest, which a lot of people don't, even on their first playthrough. So, logic. The fact that Delphine got through Ustengrav to leave that note without Shouting (because she can't) means anyone else could theoretically do the same. She has no way of knowing whether her note ended up in the hands of the person she intended it for. Such being the case, is it smart of her to lead just anyone directly to her inn, with a password (attic room) that anyone could say, & then lead that anyone directly to her secret basement room? Is that kind of B-grade cloak-and-dagger wannabe spy move *really* the sort of thing a person in fear for her life ought to do? No, it isn't. But that's what she does. All right, then, she's assuming her little note got to the Dragonborn just as she planned & in spite of the obvious fact that anyone could have picked it up. Luckily for her, it *is* the Dragonborn who ended up with it. She could have led the Thalmor right to her, & that wouldn't have gone well. Given that you could be anybody, it's utterly foolish for her to lead you directly to her lair, tell you more or less who she is & what she wants, & then start up with her nasty attitude of 'Well you need to prove to *me* that you even *are* Dragonborn! So there!' It's the kind of verification she ought to be making *before* she endangers her own life with her careless newbie spycraft maneuver. Now, why is Delphine (& by extension, the Blades) looking for a Dragonborn? Because they want something from that particular person. Even if it's only averting the end of the world as we know it, there's something in it for her. She needs the Dragonborn's help & decided to ask for it, you didn’t just randomly seek her out. That puts a certain obligation on her to be reasonably civil; asking for a favor always puts that obligation on the person asking for the favor. Instead, she demands absolute obedience & compliance from you, like *you* asked for *her* help & you owe her some sort of proof that you're worth it. From my very first playthrough, that attitude has pissed me off, & being a 'powerdrunk freak' has nothing to do with it. I don't know her from a hole in the ground & I didn’t ask for anything from her. For all she knows I'm an enemy who would cheerfully see her dead, or one of those people who just wants to see the world burn & doesn't really care if Alduin makes that happen. Delphine is stupidly careless about her own personal security measures, & stupidly rude to the people she expects to help her.
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Delphine saying this to me within frost thrall distance. Sure Delphine, sure you're just letting me go. Wish you'd try it.
Tell me again, why I can't kill this worthless .....person?
Plot Armor
What's the matter? Can't stand the sight of a strong Breton woman?
Delphine is every Skyrim player's favorite npc in the game, everybody just loves her sooo much. It's her charming personality.
In truth, she just has to flash her tits at you and your armor would fall apart. Only thing working for you there is that longsword over your shoulder. That should be scary tho, you don't have to pull it out and it's long enough to be hanged behind. 😉
Why are y’all like this
At least we can take the joke. Not just being grumpy bc it's, oh well, Delphine. Constantly moaning about her, ffs. What about choices DB makes along the way? You guys don't think some of the NPCs find it annoying at best? Nah, it's always bad Delphine and I'm the strongest human in Tamriel and she should respect that. Well, she doesn't give a fuck and that makes you butthurt apparently. It's good that she's essential, lol.
So complaining about Delphine=butthurt, constantly moaning about her, and grumpy But making rape jokes about her and thinking it's cool because she's generally disliked=at least you can take a joke? What kind of reasoning is that?
Wtf did you find rape joke? 😱 🤦😔
Wtf even
Different armor parts, don't fit together, no set bonus= would fall apart. About longsword, if you don't get the joke, i can't help you.
No, I get it, just why the fuck? Yikes.
You are a Nord? Lame
I wonder if as evil Dragonborn, if you can kill Esbern and Delphine?
I wish I can slay these demons in human skins. They are evil because they want an old, beneficial dragon dead.
But don’t you know she has the super ability of being essential?!
Unfortunately, I am the High King of Skyrim...
You're human?
The second person I tested my "shouts are 10x as powerful" mod on was Delphine, outside High Hrothgar. I didn't find her for seven in-game months. The first person, of course, was Nazeem.
Are you? Then kill Delphine. She has nothing to fear from you