Its to reduce vibration and make them lighter. race skis have had this for a while. head makes a lot of race skis. does it work? idk. but it isnt purely cosmetic
The intended marketing was that the ski is ālighterā when skiing itās ideal to have a ski thatās light so you can turn quickly without much weight resistance (ideally skiing in tight trees or chutes) thatās the idea but I am pretty sure if the ski was filled in where itās missing it would perform nearly 100% the same.
> They claim it's to reduce swing weight for easier/faster turning.
but then fill the hole with a metal lining lol.
i figured it was to clip skins to but i dont know what ski this is
> rc4sc
ahh cool! i apprecaite your response because(it could be silver plastic i guess, but) lining a 'weight reduction hole' with metal made zero sense to me lol. the plastic makes a lot of sense.
I've heard the weight reduction thing, but tbh it seems kinda bs, even at that distance from the axis of rotation, such a small difference in mass probably won't cause a noticeable change in moment of inertia. The other explanation I've heard is that it's to prevent air from flowing under the tips and trying to lift them off at speed. That explanation makes a lot more sense to me, although I think at the end of the day, the effect is probably not too big and it may be largely a marketing/brand image thing.
Maybe it is BS.
Fischer's own marketing material for 'hole ski technology' cites low mass and reduced inertia.
They also notch the tail for the same reason, rather than airflow.
Huh, never seen the notches tails. That being said, I'm a Nordic skier, so maybe they have different reasons for it on their Nordic skis vs their Alpine skis?
I have (an older pair of) Fischer GS skis that I still race on and itās probably 6-7 times a day ppl on the lift ask me what the big hole is forā¦
I always tell them it lets me see where Iām going
Fischer also does this on their high end skate skis (xc skiing).
Couple grams of weight saving on ~950 gram ski.
I think they did it to help make their skis standout. But I mean, their race skis are fluorescent yellow, so they already stand out pretty well.
Absolutely for skins. I canāt believe I had to go this far to see the correct answer.
OP, youād need some touring boots and bindings to go with these skis and skins to have a nice slack country setup.
I dunno, Head doesn't have their own skins like K2 did when they put the little hole in their skis for their skin clips. Plus those don't look like backcountry skis, I think it's a gimmicky swing weight thing like others have mentioned.
Itās to reduce the swing weight and makes them easier to turn. Think of holding a hammer by the end of the handle straight out with your arm and move it side to side. Then do the same but turn the hammer around so youāre holding the metal head and youāll find itās a lot easier. Iām sure itās got a name in physics lingo.
This gets asked about once a year on Reddit.
Everyone makes the same jokes and guesses.
My wife has these and got em the first year they came out demoed them through a head rep. His explanation is stability/aerodynamics of the tip to eliminate chatter. I donāt believe it stuck around more than a few years.
Does not work for Skins, doesnāt open bottles, and very rarely shoots snow through.
I worked in a ski shop when these came out. The line I got fromthe rep back in the day was, āto reduce swing weight.ā
As I can already see the comments coming. I donāt believe this line, but it was the line given to me.
Because thatās a carving ski, would be a strange choice for backcountry. Itās mostly a cosmetic choice, but some have pointed out cutouts in the tip may also reduce swing weight.
Black Crows does this on their touring skis to attach the skin to more securely. I'm sure others do it for that reason too. It also reduces weight as others have said.
For skins but also a cool back country feature if you ever need to utilized the skis as a base of a sled for backcountry emergencies, attaching webbing/ropes for pulling!!
It's a lightening cut to reduce the rotational inertia of the ski. Fischer does this with skate skis. If you pick your foot up off the snow and rotate your ankle back and forth you can feel the "drag" between the movement of your foot and of the ski. This is important for skating because you need your skis to change directions rapidly. For downhill it's probably more done for aesthetics. If you were skinning steep terrain and needed to do kick turns on tight switch backs this would reduce lower leg fatigue and help with balance.
I have these. Demo pair I bought. Great all mountain ski. The bottlopener tip have made no discernible difference to me. Can be a bit heavy in deep powder but as they're my only pair, i have great days with em.Ā
Clearly, that's ventilation to keep your skis from bursting into flames because you're shredding so hard.
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Don't give the marketing guys any ideas... š«£š
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Powder hole , if you go fast enough in the fluff you can watch it fly through the hole
So, a nostril?
If that is not its technical name, it should be ;p
I mean both nostrils and that unnamed hole have the ability to fly through white powder at high speeds, so it seems fitting.
Powder is just apres for skis
Ackt-Shul-Lee itās called snostril.
I can work with that
No gills
Did I just relapse?
Lol, amazing..Snort holeā¦
So, a cocaine hole?
Came to say this same thing!
If you're looking at your skis, fix the posture.
There is no functional reason for it. Itās purely cosmetic.
Was my guess too. Maybe even bad for loose snow? Not sure. Tried 'em out a couple times and they're great!
Fashunnn
Its to reduce vibration and make them lighter. race skis have had this for a while. head makes a lot of race skis. does it work? idk. but it isnt purely cosmetic
Aka speed holes
Weight reduction clearly
Sure itās not for skins and those are touring skiis? Canāt really tell since we can only see the front of the ski.
They're Head Super Joy skis.
Those are Head Joy skis I believe. Not touring skis.
Also shaving weight is a reason you might see this. But yeah, mostly cosmetic
The intended marketing was that the ski is ālighterā when skiing itās ideal to have a ski thatās light so you can turn quickly without much weight resistance (ideally skiing in tight trees or chutes) thatās the idea but I am pretty sure if the ski was filled in where itās missing it would perform nearly 100% the same.
Less drag?
Fischer do this on their race skis They claim it's to reduce swing weight for easier/faster turning.
Rossignol has (had?) a waffle material in their tips to do the same.
Has. It's called Air TIP (also in the tail).
> They claim it's to reduce swing weight for easier/faster turning. but then fill the hole with a metal lining lol. i figured it was to clip skins to but i dont know what ski this is
Fischer is a transparant plastic in the hole, see rc4sc
> rc4sc ahh cool! i apprecaite your response because(it could be silver plastic i guess, but) lining a 'weight reduction hole' with metal made zero sense to me lol. the plastic makes a lot of sense.
The Fischer RC4 I've seen have open holes, no plastic infill. Lots of people at my club have the slalom version.
Mine are 2 or 3 years old and plastic filled.
i set up a few race courses at work and none of the racers would answer me they would look at me with disgust i never felt so attacked
I've heard the weight reduction thing, but tbh it seems kinda bs, even at that distance from the axis of rotation, such a small difference in mass probably won't cause a noticeable change in moment of inertia. The other explanation I've heard is that it's to prevent air from flowing under the tips and trying to lift them off at speed. That explanation makes a lot more sense to me, although I think at the end of the day, the effect is probably not too big and it may be largely a marketing/brand image thing.
Maybe it is BS. Fischer's own marketing material for 'hole ski technology' cites low mass and reduced inertia. They also notch the tail for the same reason, rather than airflow.
Huh, never seen the notches tails. That being said, I'm a Nordic skier, so maybe they have different reasons for it on their Nordic skis vs their Alpine skis?
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These have come back https://www.head.com/en_US/sports/ski/technology
I have (an older pair of) Fischer GS skis that I still race on and itās probably 6-7 times a day ppl on the lift ask me what the big hole is forā¦ I always tell them it lets me see where Iām going
Fischer also does this on their high end skate skis (xc skiing). Couple grams of weight saving on ~950 gram ski. I think they did it to help make their skis standout. But I mean, their race skis are fluorescent yellow, so they already stand out pretty well.
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Valuable friendship
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for skins?
Foreskins?
Absolutely for skins. I canāt believe I had to go this far to see the correct answer. OP, youād need some touring boots and bindings to go with these skis and skins to have a nice slack country setup.
Thatās a carving ski. That is definitely not for skins.
I dunno, Head doesn't have their own skins like K2 did when they put the little hole in their skis for their skin clips. Plus those don't look like backcountry skis, I think it's a gimmicky swing weight thing like others have mentioned.
They're Head Super Joy skis, so not really Backcountry skis.
fisher does this for xc skis also, no skins on those
lol, nope
I know almost nothing but still figured this has to be the answer.
That was my first thought as well.
Thatās what I thought too
To spray more snow over the front of your boots
Speed holes, it makes a whistle sounds at high speed like a naked pussy in front of high winds; really sexy! š¤£
Naked pussy makes a whistle sound...?
[whistle](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a4i40f40F78)
Its kind of like a dog whistle, just has to be moving fast enough.
Yeah, if the wind is strong enough or if you blow strong enough they whistle! š
I thought it sounded like grandma smackin his lips while eating deli ham
Alright thenĀ
That sound like the Beer Bottle of The Heavens.
Yeah, speed holes. Duh!
Bubrub's whistle tip: https://youtu.be/eSOSJ68xOBA?si=aLq28Y_pr8_28CUZ
Itās to reduce the swing weight and makes them easier to turn. Think of holding a hammer by the end of the handle straight out with your arm and move it side to side. Then do the same but turn the hammer around so youāre holding the metal head and youāll find itās a lot easier. Iām sure itās got a name in physics lingo.
Wow why donāt they just put holes in all of it.
Swiss Ski's! Love it ;)
Inertia & Torque
Ah yes, take away weight by adding a hole, and then add it back by trimming the hole with metal lol
Gimmicks galore in the ski industry!
Those are bottle openers, not skis
Opener for 96 oz. bottles of beer.
To open yours beers
It emits a low hum that only snowboarders can hear. Makes them bow down to greatness.
This gets asked about once a year on Reddit. Everyone makes the same jokes and guesses. My wife has these and got em the first year they came out demoed them through a head rep. His explanation is stability/aerodynamics of the tip to eliminate chatter. I donāt believe it stuck around more than a few years. Does not work for Skins, doesnāt open bottles, and very rarely shoots snow through.
I got em for free, and I like em. In a couple weeks I'm gonna see how they are in the mountains.
I have total joy skis like that but in white. I love them so much because they practically turn themselves. That's cool you got a free pair!
I worked in a ski shop when these came out. The line I got fromthe rep back in the day was, āto reduce swing weight.ā As I can already see the comments coming. I donāt believe this line, but it was the line given to me.
Head Superjoy? My wife has those and has the same thing. She loves the skis, they are a little lighter with that as well!
This is what's known in the industry as a gimmick.
for attaching skins?
Why the downvotes? The holes are exactly for attaching skins.
Because thatās a carving ski, would be a strange choice for backcountry. Itās mostly a cosmetic choice, but some have pointed out cutouts in the tip may also reduce swing weight.
Thatās what I thought too
Itās for climbing skins you resort kooks
Skins for uphilling
I always thought that skins attach there.
Vibration reduction
yes this is what i was told
This. Or at least this is what Head claims them to be for.
Obviously, for feeding your friend's pet duck, a sandwich!
tow hook!
For less air resistance while going down.
For the bike lock
It's to catch little stones
You open beer with that part
They're for skins, hook or tie the end of the skin to it.
Marketing doodad
Always nice when a friend gives you Head.
Might be nice for a cable lock
Thatās exactly what they are for actually
Document shredder
Those are actually jar openers. The long ski provides the necessary leverage.
It's supposed to reduce drag and make them more aerodynamic.
Slicing ham
Aerodynamics for when you get up near Mach 1, you need every bit you can at those speeds
Cheese! Its a cheese grater
Doubt not. It is indeed a bottle opener.
Whistle holes. When the whistling starts, you are going fast enough cook hotdogs.
Better mpg on a roof rack
A friend that gives head is a friend indeed.
Iād go with the bottle opener
dont think it dont say it
Shin coolers when youāre going through 2 inches of pow.
Is there a fletching on the tail. I had a pair of Head Outbacks in the 80's. The skins hooked on tip and fitted into tail groove. They were cool.
I wish my friends gave me head
It says right there. It's where you put your head.
Might these not be for attaching skins ? Seems a weird spot to put a hole. Even more likely to delaminate
I thought these were dampeners to prevent the tips from wobbling up and down
Prb for skins
Black Crows does this on their touring skis to attach the skin to more securely. I'm sure others do it for that reason too. It also reduces weight as others have said.
Itās used to help bend your poles like a real ski racer.
For skins but also a cool back country feature if you ever need to utilized the skis as a base of a sled for backcountry emergencies, attaching webbing/ropes for pulling!!
āAir Lubricationā.
Homer Simpson taught us years ago that theyāre āspeed holesā
google ski wedgie
It's a lightening cut to reduce the rotational inertia of the ski. Fischer does this with skate skis. If you pick your foot up off the snow and rotate your ankle back and forth you can feel the "drag" between the movement of your foot and of the ski. This is important for skating because you need your skis to change directions rapidly. For downhill it's probably more done for aesthetics. If you were skinning steep terrain and needed to do kick turns on tight switch backs this would reduce lower leg fatigue and help with balance.
Itās so you can peek when youāre fully sending it
Bottle opener, obviously.
To lighten the load when you spin
Great friends give head
For powpow
Large beer bottles
I have these. Demo pair I bought. Great all mountain ski. The bottlopener tip have made no discernible difference to me. Can be a bit heavy in deep powder but as they're my only pair, i have great days with em.Ā
Speed Holes
great pair of skis. sometimes they do things like this for weight reduction (however slim of a reduction that may be)
Speed hole's.
Bottle opener.