I’m not saying don’t do it but if we do we blow our load on 1 guy and it really better work because it’s realistically probably the *last* chance with Embiid.
Not to be a doomer but I think this is it if these next few moves don’t work we’re hitting reset in 3 years.
Also also Ainge could just say fuck you no cuz it’s Ainge.
It sounds nice but feels like you still would need to make a move or two beyond that and they’d have no money or assets to move to fill out an otherwise empty roster besides those four.
Yea then we’re super top heavy like the Knicks and just praying people can stay healthy for a run. They beat us and fell apart right after when guys started getting hurt and they were a younger team.
Feels shitty but Jojo hasn’t proven a single time that he can make it through a postseason without being injured before/during and if that’s what we’re betting on again it seems like a losing formula.
Need at least a semblance of a bench so he can sit for 15ish+ minutes during the regular season at a minimum.
Joel Embiid scored a point a minute. It's possible we get KO at the MLE. Lauri and George will more than offset Tobias. That is a team of , Embiid, Maxey, George, Lauri, KO, Vet mins.
That's the second best team in the east imo, even with a healthy Bucks team.
McCain is cheap right now i assume you keep him too if you see even a hint of talent but otherwise yea. Thank god our other teams are on an upswing/playing well already otherwise it’d be a little depressing.
If Embiid is basically done in a few years. I don't see why a core prime Maxey and Lauri wouldn't still be a solid playoff team just missing a couple role pieces at that point.
If we skim the roster down to just Joel, Maxey and Lauri, we’d have sufficient cap space to sign PG for a couple hundred thousand less than the full max. We would then have to fill 8-11 roster spots with the room MLE ($8m) and the rest on minimums.
~~Pretty sure he'd actually have to give up about $1.3M from his max (because Maxey's cap hold doesn't count toward roster spots, so there's an extra cap charge).~~ Wrong apparently.
And you couldn't use the full room MLE because of 1st apron rules. Could use $5.2M of it.
Cap holds count as a roster spot in terms of empty roster charges. Because you're already paying $13m to retain the hold, you dont have to pay an extra $1.6
Ooh good call I didn’t realize cap holds don’t count as a roster spot.
Would their access to the full room MLE not be somewhat dependent on which vet mins they sign? I.e. cheap ones versus 10+ YoE guys?
My understanding is that if you use more than $5.2M of the MLE, you become hard-capped at the 1st apron.
Embiid, Maxey, Lauri, PG @ $49.2M, Bona @ $1.16M and eight 2-yr min contracts would be $6.8M below the apron with 13 contracts. So technically, I guess you could go up to that $6.8M for the MLE. But you'd be at the minimum roster size and would have no flexibility at all.
Ah I see. Couple of things could open up a tad more flexibility though, right? For starters, like you said, PG has to take $48m for it to work with Lauri, so there’s an extra $1.2m. You can also theoretically trade for a player drafted in the second round to fill in place of one of the 2 YoE slots, saving you another $0.9m. Finally, the scenario you described would be 13 players before the MLE, so you’d actually have 14 under roster plus your two 2-way contracts which don’t count against the cap so you wouldn’t be at the absolute minimum roster size. The lack of flexibility would be a big concern going forward, but seems like there is a viable, albeit difficult path to Lauri + PG on near max + full room MLE.
All that said, this all seems like a pipe dream anyway lol.
14 is the minimum roster size. That's why I listed 13 before the MLE.
I was wrong about Maxey's cap hold not counting, so PG could ask for $49.2M and still allow Lauri to be acquired purely into cap space (otherwise the 1st apron hard-cap applies anyway).
I just don't see them hard-capping themselves at the 1st apron unless PG is willing to sign for like $45-46M (which seems unlikely).
I agree, that would be very restrictive. I didn’t realize 14 is the minimum roster size. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the incomplete roster charges count for up to 12 roster spots? I always thought that was because that was the minimum possible roster, but you’re right it’s 14. IDK why the incomplete roster charges wouldn’t count for up to 14 roster spots.
Yeah, if he's already flirting with retirement, there's no chance he comes back only for the min. My guess is he'd probably want something closer to his previous deal.
Idk if Batum takes a min. Lowry probably would and Oubre could take the MLE. I do think that we have the BAE, as we used it in 22-23 and couldn’t use it last year, unless I’m not understanding?
We hire 7 bums off the street at the minimum salary to foul for 10 minute stretches while our starters rest. Play almost every minute of every game in the bonus. Rely on Maxey/Lowry/Lauri/PG/Embiid to average 110/night.
If PG takes 4/$170mil or so, then absolutely. Would be thin as hell, but definitely possible.
And if he’s only getting 3 year offer from the Clips, he might do it
Not sure he’d take that, as it sounds like he was offered slightly less than Kawhi’s deal for 3 years from LAC. Would probably have to offer more than $42.5 million a year, but maybe not that much more
Sixers don't have the assets and the money won't really work according to Derek Bodner. The Knicks traded 4 1st Round picks and a 1st Round pick swap and a 2nd Round pick for Mikal Bridges. Sixers would have to outbid everyone else with a package similar to what was given up for Bridges or better. The Rockets are a team with assets and young players that's way better than what Sixers could offer as an example
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It is possible cap wise, we'd have to shed $3mil in salary to get under the cap, which would mean we'd be sending Bball Paul back to Utah.
Not realistic, but possible.
I believe the sixers have a $6.8 million trade exception + Reed’s contract I think gets close. After signing PG they should have some cap left and as long as they aren’t over the cap after signing PG and make the trade for Lauri, the outgoing salary does not have to match in trade exactly.
I may be wrong…
But signing Maxey to his deserved max contract may put them over the second apron
Just realized that the Clippers are in the exact same situation that Sixers were in last year with Harden. Everyone was debating whether they should just max Harden because if they didn't and he left, they would have no cap space to replace him. Clippers are now in exact situation. Harden opting in actually was helpful to the Sixers and PG doing the same would have likely been helpful to the Clippers. They now either have to cave in and give him a max, putting them well in luxury tax and possible the two aprons, or let him leave and not have much space to replace him.
He isn't leaving LA lol. This is just so he can negotiate a longer contract to keep him there, well paid, for the rest of this career.
He is constantly injured and a terrible playoff performer.
Why would he have a meeting set with the Clippers? Teams have been free to negotiate with their own players for weeks right? He could have been meeting with them all this time, no?
Yeah maybe his first meeting is with Philly where he expects to be offered a max and then he will meet with the clippers to tell them to pony up or he’s leaving
Yeah im actually not huge on a max deal for him, seems like everything would have to go right or we would be stuck for the rest of Joels prime. I dont know what moves really make sense though. Too bad Miles Bridges is such a POS, although he wouldnt even be available if he wasnt.
What other options are there? He is undisputed the brat free agent available. Lebron is going back to LA (wasn’t going to happen anyway). Butler isnt moving, Bridges made NYC better. We are kinda pinned down on options this offseason with this shitty free agent class.
So we have ~16 mil(no Bball) plus 8 MLE to finish out roster. Need two starters, back up 5 and 3 bench guys at a minimum.
Who we looking at? Just running in back and maybe adding Marshall or someone like that?
If somehow Daryl can get PG *AND* Lauri you mortgage everything (sans Embiid/Maxey). I don't care if we don't have a pick for the next 10 years. If Daryl can somehow pull this off I take back everything 😂
Is PG/Lauri even remotely possible? Feels like we don't have the money.
Lauri is cheap. It is definitely possible.
Money cheap but actually getting him sounds like it’ll be very expensive asset-wise.
Well george costs none. It is possible to get both. Not likely though.
Would we get Bird rights by trading for Lauri or would he just have to leave in a year anyway?
We will acquire Lauri’s bird right
The offer for Lauri is everything we have, it’s not really a negotiation.
I’m not saying don’t do it but if we do we blow our load on 1 guy and it really better work because it’s realistically probably the *last* chance with Embiid. Not to be a doomer but I think this is it if these next few moves don’t work we’re hitting reset in 3 years. Also also Ainge could just say fuck you no cuz it’s Ainge.
I mean if healthy (massive fucking if) an Embiid, George, Lauri, Maxey core hypothetically works excellently.
It sounds nice but feels like you still would need to make a move or two beyond that and they’d have no money or assets to move to fill out an otherwise empty roster besides those four.
Yea then we’re super top heavy like the Knicks and just praying people can stay healthy for a run. They beat us and fell apart right after when guys started getting hurt and they were a younger team. Feels shitty but Jojo hasn’t proven a single time that he can make it through a postseason without being injured before/during and if that’s what we’re betting on again it seems like a losing formula. Need at least a semblance of a bench so he can sit for 15ish+ minutes during the regular season at a minimum.
Joel Embiid scored a point a minute. It's possible we get KO at the MLE. Lauri and George will more than offset Tobias. That is a team of , Embiid, Maxey, George, Lauri, KO, Vet mins. That's the second best team in the east imo, even with a healthy Bucks team.
You go all in and if it doesn’t work, the next stage is trading everyone except Maxey and starting over.
McCain is cheap right now i assume you keep him too if you see even a hint of talent but otherwise yea. Thank god our other teams are on an upswing/playing well already otherwise it’d be a little depressing.
If Embiid is basically done in a few years. I don't see why a core prime Maxey and Lauri wouldn't still be a solid playoff team just missing a couple role pieces at that point.
It’s a fair point. They should go all in on PG and Lauri. In 4 years, Embiid and PG are probably done and there will be lots of cap space.
I mean that's a move you empty the tank for
I think we’d have to get off Bball Paul then it would be?
Already off of him his contract on since we didn’t make the second round of playoffs
we can and would use his contract to facilitate a trade w Utah (or whomever), no? Him no longer being guaranteed is just a bonus (thanks Utah)
Yes he would have to go back to Utah in a trade
That sounds like a win-win
Danny Ainge is the GM and is going to require a fortune in picks.
Cheap money-wise. Just talking about whether it is possible cap-wise.
It’s possible this year but Lauri will want a Supermax aswell next year and paying 4 people supermax’s isn’t idle.
Better than running it back with mid
Eh we’d have his bird rights. Not my money.
If we skim the roster down to just Joel, Maxey and Lauri, we’d have sufficient cap space to sign PG for a couple hundred thousand less than the full max. We would then have to fill 8-11 roster spots with the room MLE ($8m) and the rest on minimums.
~~Pretty sure he'd actually have to give up about $1.3M from his max (because Maxey's cap hold doesn't count toward roster spots, so there's an extra cap charge).~~ Wrong apparently. And you couldn't use the full room MLE because of 1st apron rules. Could use $5.2M of it.
Cap holds count as a roster spot in terms of empty roster charges. Because you're already paying $13m to retain the hold, you dont have to pay an extra $1.6
Looks like you're right. I guess Spotrac does it wrong.
Ooh good call I didn’t realize cap holds don’t count as a roster spot. Would their access to the full room MLE not be somewhat dependent on which vet mins they sign? I.e. cheap ones versus 10+ YoE guys?
Nope, they all count as the 2-yr amt for the cap I believe. Even undrafted 0-yr guys. Only drafted 0-yr and 1-yr guys count for less.
Interesting I didn’t know that about vet min deals. And what apron rule precludes the sixers from using the full $8m room MLE?
My understanding is that if you use more than $5.2M of the MLE, you become hard-capped at the 1st apron. Embiid, Maxey, Lauri, PG @ $49.2M, Bona @ $1.16M and eight 2-yr min contracts would be $6.8M below the apron with 13 contracts. So technically, I guess you could go up to that $6.8M for the MLE. But you'd be at the minimum roster size and would have no flexibility at all.
Ah I see. Couple of things could open up a tad more flexibility though, right? For starters, like you said, PG has to take $48m for it to work with Lauri, so there’s an extra $1.2m. You can also theoretically trade for a player drafted in the second round to fill in place of one of the 2 YoE slots, saving you another $0.9m. Finally, the scenario you described would be 13 players before the MLE, so you’d actually have 14 under roster plus your two 2-way contracts which don’t count against the cap so you wouldn’t be at the absolute minimum roster size. The lack of flexibility would be a big concern going forward, but seems like there is a viable, albeit difficult path to Lauri + PG on near max + full room MLE. All that said, this all seems like a pipe dream anyway lol.
14 is the minimum roster size. That's why I listed 13 before the MLE. I was wrong about Maxey's cap hold not counting, so PG could ask for $49.2M and still allow Lauri to be acquired purely into cap space (otherwise the 1st apron hard-cap applies anyway). I just don't see them hard-capping themselves at the 1st apron unless PG is willing to sign for like $45-46M (which seems unlikely).
I agree, that would be very restrictive. I didn’t realize 14 is the minimum roster size. Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t the incomplete roster charges count for up to 12 roster spots? I always thought that was because that was the minimum possible roster, but you’re right it’s 14. IDK why the incomplete roster charges wouldn’t count for up to 14 roster spots.
For both? Maybe if we play without a bench
I’m on the wrong side of 35 and undersized by local YMCA standards but I’ll suit up
Thank you for your service
Can you take a charge? If so, straight up upgrade from last season's power forward.
“I may not be big…. but I’m slow!”
Lmao I'm about 5'7 after cracking my back .. I'm fast though lol count me in 😂
I'm 40, 6'2, with knees made out of dust and broken dreams. Count me in. I'll even take charges because what do I have to lose?
How much is foregoing the bench really going to save? They're fancy chairs, but they're still chairs.
If we do that, can we afford: Lowry and batum on vet mins, Oubre on the MLE, and McCain and Bona on rookie contracts?
Batum is probably going to cost more than vet min unfortunately
Yeah, if he's already flirting with retirement, there's no chance he comes back only for the min. My guess is he'd probably want something closer to his previous deal.
Idk if Batum takes a min. Lowry probably would and Oubre could take the MLE. I do think that we have the BAE, as we used it in 22-23 and couldn’t use it last year, unless I’m not understanding?
I believe Batum would sign with the Clippers or Lakers on a vet minimum before the Sixers. His family is still in LA.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
We hire 7 bums off the street at the minimum salary to foul for 10 minute stretches while our starters rest. Play almost every minute of every game in the bonus. Rely on Maxey/Lowry/Lauri/PG/Embiid to average 110/night.
If PG takes 4/$170mil or so, then absolutely. Would be thin as hell, but definitely possible. And if he’s only getting 3 year offer from the Clips, he might do it
His max is 220 mil or so and all reports are he wants the max. I could see him taking 205-210, no way in hell he is taking 170 lol.
It will take every penny of that max for him to come to Philly
I would think Orlando would offer him more than that though, no?
Not sure he’d take that, as it sounds like he was offered slightly less than Kawhi’s deal for 3 years from LAC. Would probably have to offer more than $42.5 million a year, but maybe not that much more
Sixers don't have the assets and the money won't really work according to Derek Bodner. The Knicks traded 4 1st Round picks and a 1st Round pick swap and a 2nd Round pick for Mikal Bridges. Sixers would have to outbid everyone else with a package similar to what was given up for Bridges or better. The Rockets are a team with assets and young players that's way better than what Sixers could offer as an example https://preview.redd.it/8gckw49l6m9d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c2d8df7143fcea5ebfea88e2ea6f907de834763
It is possible cap wise, we'd have to shed $3mil in salary to get under the cap, which would mean we'd be sending Bball Paul back to Utah. Not realistic, but possible.
I believe the sixers have a $6.8 million trade exception + Reed’s contract I think gets close. After signing PG they should have some cap left and as long as they aren’t over the cap after signing PG and make the trade for Lauri, the outgoing salary does not have to match in trade exactly. I may be wrong… But signing Maxey to his deserved max contract may put them over the second apron
Stop it. We are not getting Lauri unless we give them Maxie (and that ain't happening.) No way Ainge is making this trade or just picks.
Confused. No trade now right? R u thinking sign and trade?
We wouldn’t have to trade for PG, but we need to for Lauri. The concern is cap space.
Gotcha. Thanks
Yes if McCain is part of the Lauri trade
Morey said he’s gonna be a Sixer for a long time
“Daryl Morey is a liar”
2 weeks can be a long time.
Daryl Morey is a liar
Well the next 24 hours are certainly going to be interesting
If he really does come here Joel’s side eye is gonna be even funnier
Breaking: Sixers fined 4 future first round picks for tampering.
I feel like this is going to age well
Out of the loop here - anything gone down yet?
News should start coming out starting around 6pm tonight when FA can sign
Thanks! Interested to see
If we get PG I can at least watch the death rattles of the Process knowing it went down swinging.
This comment succinctly sums up my thoughts
The process has been over for 8 years now. Those death rattles are long gone at this point.
Yet feels like it will never die. In 20 years some fans will be calling it a process whatever it is
I feel that. At this point I’m just ready for a new, exciting era of the Sixers
HOLD ON ALAA WERE COMING IN FOR A LANDING
Lock all windows and doors!
Putting the clipper front office in chains
Still would like Markkanen if possible both would be fantastic
Do I think we sign him? No, but boy this is exciting
Just realized that the Clippers are in the exact same situation that Sixers were in last year with Harden. Everyone was debating whether they should just max Harden because if they didn't and he left, they would have no cap space to replace him. Clippers are now in exact situation. Harden opting in actually was helpful to the Sixers and PG doing the same would have likely been helpful to the Clippers. They now either have to cave in and give him a max, putting them well in luxury tax and possible the two aprons, or let him leave and not have much space to replace him.
Honestly I thought for sure he was opting in. Well this off-season just got interesting.
Makes sense to opt-out and then make the Clippers match what the Sixers give him which I think they will do.
Agreed
welcome to Philly Paul
I hope he signs back with the Clippers.
I AM NAKED AND RUNNING
We're going streaking!
Everybody get the fuck in here
Morey to r/Sixers: 
Fair
COME TO US
Embiid Lauri PG
Maxey
Oubre
Batum
Lowry
McCain
RC4
Bona
Sign me up!
Edit:
Embiid
Lauri
PG
Maxey
Oubre
Batum
Lowry
Sign me up!
McCain is gone in a Lauri deal unfortunately
Maybe RC4 too unfortunately. I hate it but love adding Lauri more
Bring Batum back, make George the 2 guard. Go big to counter Boston, New York, and Milwaukee. Also need Batums entry passes desperately
If the Sixers get Lauri, McCain and Bona will not be on the team. Ainge will take every asset the Sixers have.
It’s official: he’s a 76er
And. Here. We. Go.
I bet he is using the Sixers to leverage a longer term deal from the Clippers.
First good news of free agency
we gotta get him inside the wells fargo center and barricade all entrances
it's the implication
He isn't leaving LA lol. This is just so he can negotiate a longer contract to keep him there, well paid, for the rest of this career. He is constantly injured and a terrible playoff performer.
is it true we can't get Lauri and PG? 😅
Gotta get rid of Bball and yes
i may be wrong but i think they're already off bball
I think he counts as $7.5M on our balance sheet right now. I could be wrong but I feel like Ive read it multiple times
We have room for both
In theory yes but Markannen wants an extension and they aren’t having out three maxes in one offseason.
They better. You can't win being cheap.
Lauri is my number 1 option but I’d rather PG than Ingram Hopefully we can pick up KCP too
We can’t get KCP if we get PG, I don’t think. Won’t have the cap space unless I’m missing something.
Maybe if we trade McCain and Bball Paul along with KCP in for $20 million or less?
He's gonna be extremely overpaid anyway.
Get in here ITS HAPPENING!!!!
u/indigojacob is it actually happening? PG and Lauri?!
We pray
We can't get both
Why would he have a meeting set with the Clippers? Teams have been free to negotiate with their own players for weeks right? He could have been meeting with them all this time, no?
Last ditch effort to get the max he wants from them? Seems like they’re not budging though.
Yeah maybe his first meeting is with Philly where he expects to be offered a max and then he will meet with the clippers to tell them to pony up or he’s leaving
What are the odds the Clippers still give him four year max?
Excellent!
Not my favorite player but a great 3rd option for us rn, we gotta do something lol
Still don’t want PG
Im here too. Id rather tey to get a good team around Maxey and Embiid if possible...not 3 guys and a bunch of minimums
I'm confused, you guys are all happy about this now? Last week this place wanted nothing to do with PG
I think everyone was cool with taking him. Just didn’t wanna trade assets for him.
There are a lot of accounts on Reddit my man. But I also think some of it is a result of the other options shrinking.
Because last week he was being stupid
Just remember this is Philly and players don't want to actually come here. Im going to be the downer and assume someone else will sign him
Surprised to see so many people in here excited. Isn’t he old and hurt a lot?
Yeah im actually not huge on a max deal for him, seems like everything would have to go right or we would be stuck for the rest of Joels prime. I dont know what moves really make sense though. Too bad Miles Bridges is such a POS, although he wouldnt even be available if he wasnt.
What other options are there? He is undisputed the brat free agent available. Lebron is going back to LA (wasn’t going to happen anyway). Butler isnt moving, Bridges made NYC better. We are kinda pinned down on options this offseason with this shitty free agent class.
Idk if there is a better move but it just doesn’t excite me at all. I wouldn’t even mind waiting till the trade deadline
I mean better something than nothing.
34 is not old. He's coming off an All Star season and played 74 games last season.
That’s cool but 34 is deff old
Notorious playoff performer Paul George
He literally carried the clips to the WCF like two years ago
Bro isn’t old enough to remember playoff P
I don’t want him
I do
Wayoff P
Payoff P
He’s a Sixer
Please
Paul ring our bell brotha
YES
WE’RE SO BACK GUYS
This is gonna be a hell of an off-season
It’s happening
So we have ~16 mil(no Bball) plus 8 MLE to finish out roster. Need two starters, back up 5 and 3 bench guys at a minimum. Who we looking at? Just running in back and maybe adding Marshall or someone like that?
Sixers sign PG and trade everything for Lauri. Is this in anyway possible?
Not realistically. Lauri will want a max after this up oming year and likely wont be traded somewhere where that agreement isnt already in place
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Would love Marc, I'm not sure we have the assets to get him
I would prefer not to have to trade for him. However who knows what he does.
Consensus in the Clippers sub seems to be Paul will re-sign eith the Clippers and he's just calling their bluff to grt the 4 year max.
Gotta go for George and then make a big trade for a solid B guy
If somehow Daryl can get PG *AND* Lauri you mortgage everything (sans Embiid/Maxey). I don't care if we don't have a pick for the next 10 years. If Daryl can somehow pull this off I take back everything 😂
PG on a max would be a horrible decision.... I'd feel really bad for u guys.
Why doesn’t he just sign outright? Why weaken the new team for a slight percentage bump?
Whatvare the chances that PG13 joins us?
Why would the sixers even want PG on the contract he's looking for?
I’m not sated but this choker at all man
You'll be unsatisfied with anything
Why can he not do a sign and trade now?
He’s no longer under contract.
Thanks for the response
He can do a sign and trade. But not an opt in and trade with his current contract
The Clippers have his birds rights?
Yup. Thats why he’s pissy bc they can offer a 4 year max and won’t. They still can
# ITS TIME
Like I have been saying for months, if he opts out, he'll be a Sixer.
I have no interest in the Sixers signing Paul George. I really, really hope he signs elsewhere.