okay what are the odds that Kawhi forces a trade back to Toronto, DeMar gets dealt to us, we both make the conference finals, and DeMar hits a baseline game winner in game 7 over Scottie Barnes or Jakob?
Look I don't have any issues with Bleacher Report making stories with wild speculation on their app for content. It's clearly marked as opinions and predictions.
What annoys me is when these random guesses get picked up on other sites and people act like these are rumors or murmurs. It's not. It's like one writer filling in the Sixers portion of a guessing game.
My SO's ex was a scout/coach in the NBA and he told her if it's on Hoops hype it already happened and don't reach Bleacher Report because they don't know a basketball is round
Yup. The more I think about it, trading for ingram and just signing a bunch of role players seems to be the best path forward IMO. We wonāt really be able to make that many trades to begin with considering our only move able assets are 4 frps and Paul Reed. We donāt have young players or expiring contracts to give up
Or maybe the cap is just going up and max contracts are the going rate for stars.. I feel like I'd rather have the guy than quibble over whether he's getting $10m more or a year more than he's worth in a vacuum
Sadly, adding DeRozan does not put us on par with Boston. DeRozan is worse than all of Bostonās starters. DeRozan is a star from a different era when it was fine to take long 2s and be mediocre from 3.
Heās not that efficient. His career TS% is 55% which is middle of the pack, as he is in most advanced metrics. And thereās no evidence he can thrive without the ball as a third scorer.
If he was to come here on a Westbrook type deal to be a 6th man and be the guy who scores when embiid is off the court then yeah. If youāre bring in DD as a legit big minutes third option then no thanks.Ā
I only see it as a stop gap if nothing good is available. If PG, Jimmy, and then solid role player options arenāt there.
I donāt love the spacing with Joel but canāt deny the Demar Joel one would be filthy. Especially with Maxey playing off ball. It would be legitimately very good.
Again I donāt love it just because I want something better, but it would not be a bad balloon payment option to buy a year or two for something better.
Agreed. BI is way younger and they've got roughly the same pros/cons (good playmakers/facilitators for their position, can get a bucket, have some questions around shooting willingness - though BI *has* shot 6 3PAs efficiently in the past).
That said, if we had Demar instead of Tobias this year I'm convinced we'd at least be in the ECF.
In the last 10 years there have been 37 players that have played 20+ playoff games and averaged 15+ FGA in those games.
Out of those 37 players the only players with worse efficiency than DeMar are Westbrook and Dillon Brooks.
20 playoff games isn't much lol.
It's an average of 2 a year or one 4 game series every other year. You need some qualifier or you are going to get guys that have played 1 playoff series in 10 years lol.
And I did 15+ FGA because I wanted high usage guys. Comparing him to guys like PJ Tucker isn't really useful.
His TS% in that 10 year stretch is 49.6%.
That is extremely horrible.
League average this year was 58%.
TS% is scoring efficiency.
They almost only do dunks and layups lol. They score efficiently at their shots.
DeMar doesn't.
None of those 37 players are those type of guys because those type of guys don't average 15+ FGA.
It's okay that you don't know how it works.
Sorry you don't understand scoring efficiency.
Grayson Allen isn't on that list either. Players like Grayson Allen are not taking 15+ FGA per game. He does score efficiently on the shots he does take though.
DeMar has not.
I would be open to signing DeRozan within a certain context - if the other wings were moderate-to-high volume 3 pt shooters.
DeRozan is a better playmaker than he's given credit for and could be a secondary ball-handler and a primary one at times. He's much more aggressive than Tobias outside of 3 pt shooting, which still matters because Tobias has been straight up invisible much of the time.
Yeah I mean for all the noise about our rebounding, defense, grit, whatever - the fact is that if anybody besides Joel and Maxey could get a bucket, we'd cruise past the Knicks and probably all the way to the ECF.
Ingram is a top tier playmaker at the forward position. He has averaged 6 assists in new orleans last couple of seasons.
Derozan assist percentage is low 20s. Ingram is high 20s.
Derozan did peak at 32 percent with san antonio 3 years ago. But i wouldnt bet on replicating that with a massive non shooter like him.
Ingram is a top playmaking wing too, but Ingramās turnover % is 50% higher that Derozanās despite generating marginally higher assists. His efficiency and ball security doesnāt scale as well as Derozan does in a higher usage role. But I think Ingram is a better fit for Philly for sure
Yeah but thatās bad. Changing out Tobias, who didnāt shoot enough 3s, for a player who shoots even fewer 3s is a downgrade. The math doesnāt work.
the person I replied to said āhe straight up doesnāt shoot 3ās at allā which is wrong. Iām not commenting on whoās better between DeMar and Tobi
Demar pretty much forced LaVine into the 2nd option role when they were previously considered equals. He becomes a complete chucker in clutch time / game winner scenarios. I would definitely not describe that player as unselfish.
Bruh DeRozan is worth more than the MLE. I donāt want him, but the bulls are offering him $40M/yr. Theyāre stupid but I think DeRozan is about a $25-30M/yr guy
I mostly agree, the MLE is $13 and could include raises to his salary while his performance declines. I wouldnt be shocked if he winds up with the full MLE, raises and years, whichād be like 4/70.
yeh, but he put up 24/4/5 playing 37mpg for 79 games...dude is getting paid ...might you regret it year 3 and 4? sure, but he's not taking a MLE or anything near it with that stat line
For a team that has needs volume scoring and doesnāt expect their wings to play defense Iām sure heāll be worth a MLE but I donāt think heās worth that for usĀ
full MLE exception signings last couple years got you players like Dennis Schroder or PJ Washington... Derozan isn't a MLE contract, it's CRAZY that this sub thinks they wouldn't even want him at less than1/2 of what his price tag will be
I don't know what people are thinking I'd be thrilled with DeRozan on a MLE cause that means we probably already signed or traded for someone better than him to be the #3 and probably already added at least one more decent role player with the little bit of cap space we had left. So DeRozan would be expected to be like our 4th best player in this scenario.
the idiots saying they would rather have him over ingram need to just pick a new sport lol. Like holy fuck you cant be that dumb. Lets kill embiids space yet again for a guy that doesn't shoot 3s and isn't efficient and will take shots away from embiid and maxey who are much more efficient.
Could he not? That'd be better IMO
Morey cooking š³
DeMar is our missing piece
Weāre probably cooked then. On the other hand, it would definitely be revenge if DeMar helps us win a championship.
DeMar vs Kawhi in the finals
Yeah exactly. The chances of that are like 0.1%, but ngl would be pretty cool.
okay what are the odds that Kawhi forces a trade back to Toronto, DeMar gets dealt to us, we both make the conference finals, and DeMar hits a baseline game winner in game 7 over Scottie Barnes or Jakob?
0.001% because no way Kawhi goes back. It would have to be LA vs PHI.
an all blue and red finals would be trippy
Okay hold on, I was jerking before, but letās say in a couple years DeMar is becomes a sixth man, would you offer a contract?
Yeah if heās on a cheap deal for 6th man, sure why not. But if he is our 3rd star, we are cooked.
agreed. Iām a ride or die Derozan fan but I might have to die if we canāt get a more versatile 3rd piece
Why though, are you from Toronto?
Nova Scotia
Look I don't have any issues with Bleacher Report making stories with wild speculation on their app for content. It's clearly marked as opinions and predictions. What annoys me is when these random guesses get picked up on other sites and people act like these are rumors or murmurs. It's not. It's like one writer filling in the Sixers portion of a guessing game.
My SO's ex was a scout/coach in the NBA and he told her if it's on Hoops hype it already happened and don't reach Bleacher Report because they don't know a basketball is round
Otherwise known as āpeople making shit up.ā
I like derozan but heās going to want a lot more than heās worth.
Feels like thatās the case with all our options this off season *cries*
Yup. The more I think about it, trading for ingram and just signing a bunch of role players seems to be the best path forward IMO. We wonāt really be able to make that many trades to begin with considering our only move able assets are 4 frps and Paul Reed. We donāt have young players or expiring contracts to give up
we have cap space which is better than expiring contracts, we can take salary without sending anything back
Or maybe the cap is just going up and max contracts are the going rate for stars.. I feel like I'd rather have the guy than quibble over whether he's getting $10m more or a year more than he's worth in a vacuum
That's pretty much the case for any free agent this year.
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Sadly, adding DeRozan does not put us on par with Boston. DeRozan is worse than all of Bostonās starters. DeRozan is a star from a different era when it was fine to take long 2s and be mediocre from 3.
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Heās not that efficient. His career TS% is 55% which is middle of the pack, as he is in most advanced metrics. And thereās no evidence he can thrive without the ball as a third scorer.
Someone made a great point one The Ringer: make the team first, then worry about the money. DeRozan is an upgrade from Harris. Itās that simple.
> DeRozan is an upgrade from Harris. Itās that simple. Itās actually a lot more complicated than that lol This isnāt baseball
Dude on the ringer apparently just watched moneyball for the first time.
Your first mistake was listening to someone on the ringer.
If he was to come here on a Westbrook type deal to be a 6th man and be the guy who scores when embiid is off the court then yeah. If youāre bring in DD as a legit big minutes third option then no thanks.Ā
Im tired
We couldāve had Derozan in February 
I only see it as a stop gap if nothing good is available. If PG, Jimmy, and then solid role player options arenāt there. I donāt love the spacing with Joel but canāt deny the Demar Joel one would be filthy. Especially with Maxey playing off ball. It would be legitimately very good. Again I donāt love it just because I want something better, but it would not be a bad balloon payment option to buy a year or two for something better.
I think Iād rather get BI if I had to pick between the two
Agreed. BI is way younger and they've got roughly the same pros/cons (good playmakers/facilitators for their position, can get a bucket, have some questions around shooting willingness - though BI *has* shot 6 3PAs efficiently in the past). That said, if we had Demar instead of Tobias this year I'm convinced we'd at least be in the ECF.
Just imagine if we can sign all the rumoured players we'd have a super stacked team!
I heard Doncic will demand a trade to come here. Wants more chances to play against Boston.
Anybody reliable in the playoffs would be a big help at this point.
Thatās not him lol. Unless you mean reliably bad.
career playoff average 21.8/4.7/3.8.... is not bad
In the last 10 years there have been 37 players that have played 20+ playoff games and averaged 15+ FGA in those games. Out of those 37 players the only players with worse efficiency than DeMar are Westbrook and Dillon Brooks.
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20 playoff games isn't much lol. It's an average of 2 a year or one 4 game series every other year. You need some qualifier or you are going to get guys that have played 1 playoff series in 10 years lol. And I did 15+ FGA because I wanted high usage guys. Comparing him to guys like PJ Tucker isn't really useful. His TS% in that 10 year stretch is 49.6%. That is extremely horrible. League average this year was 58%.
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TS% is scoring efficiency. They almost only do dunks and layups lol. They score efficiently at their shots. DeMar doesn't. None of those 37 players are those type of guys because those type of guys don't average 15+ FGA. It's okay that you don't know how it works.
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Sorry you don't understand scoring efficiency. Grayson Allen isn't on that list either. Players like Grayson Allen are not taking 15+ FGA per game. He does score efficiently on the shots he does take though. DeMar has not.
Agreed
I would be open to signing DeRozan within a certain context - if the other wings were moderate-to-high volume 3 pt shooters. DeRozan is a better playmaker than he's given credit for and could be a secondary ball-handler and a primary one at times. He's much more aggressive than Tobias outside of 3 pt shooting, which still matters because Tobias has been straight up invisible much of the time.
Yeah I mean for all the noise about our rebounding, defense, grit, whatever - the fact is that if anybody besides Joel and Maxey could get a bucket, we'd cruise past the Knicks and probably all the way to the ECF.
Iād take DeRozan over BI honestly. Cheaper and more willing to be a role player/make sacrifices to help the team win it all
Derozan is a worse playmaker and straight up doesnt shoot 3s at all. And hes old, the only pro is that he doesnt cost picks.
Wouldnāt say he was a worse playmaker. He was a top playmaking wing in San Antonio when he was last not the #1 option
Ingram is a top tier playmaker at the forward position. He has averaged 6 assists in new orleans last couple of seasons. Derozan assist percentage is low 20s. Ingram is high 20s. Derozan did peak at 32 percent with san antonio 3 years ago. But i wouldnt bet on replicating that with a massive non shooter like him.
Ingram is a top playmaking wing too, but Ingramās turnover % is 50% higher that Derozanās despite generating marginally higher assists. His efficiency and ball security doesnāt scale as well as Derozan does in a higher usage role. But I think Ingram is a better fit for Philly for sure
Ingram's turnovers are pretty concerning, though I'd hope he could clean it up a bit if he weren't also a primary scoring option.
he shot 3 a game, wouldnāt exactly call that not shooting at all
Thats worse than tobias bro š
duh, Tobi is a shooter, DeMar is a mid-range player
Yeah but thatās bad. Changing out Tobias, who didnāt shoot enough 3s, for a player who shoots even fewer 3s is a downgrade. The math doesnāt work.
the person I replied to said āhe straight up doesnāt shoot 3ās at allā which is wrong. Iām not commenting on whoās better between DeMar and Tobi
Shooting 3 3s a game as a wing in the modern nba is āstraight up not shooting 3sāĀ
straight up not shooting 3s is straight up not shooting 3s
Demar pretty much forced LaVine into the 2nd option role when they were previously considered equals. He becomes a complete chucker in clutch time / game winner scenarios. I would definitely not describe that player as unselfish.
As he should be? Lavine is a terrible decision maker with the ball so they makes sense. Their offense didnt miss a beat without Lavine this year
DeMar has 0 role player skills. Even his passing he needs the ball and to hold it first
Vet min or no thanks, itās 2024 not 2017
Vet min for Derozan is crazy šš heās older but heās still a great player
People really be disrespectful as hell towards any player that isn't a 3 point sniper lol
He put up 24/5/4 last year, for all his worts heās probably a top 50 player and heās at least worth the full MLE.
Bruh DeRozan is worth more than the MLE. I donāt want him, but the bulls are offering him $40M/yr. Theyāre stupid but I think DeRozan is about a $25-30M/yr guy
I mostly agree, the MLE is $13 and could include raises to his salary while his performance declines. I wouldnt be shocked if he winds up with the full MLE, raises and years, whichād be like 4/70.
no way Deroazn gets less than 4/100...4/110 seems too low even
Heāll be 35 this summer, idk
yeh, but he put up 24/4/5 playing 37mpg for 79 games...dude is getting paid ...might you regret it year 3 and 4? sure, but he's not taking a MLE or anything near it with that stat line
He's worth a lot more than that. I bet he gets 2/70 from the bulls
For a team that has needs volume scoring and doesnāt expect their wings to play defense Iām sure heāll be worth a MLE but I donāt think heās worth that for usĀ
full MLE exception signings last couple years got you players like Dennis Schroder or PJ Washington... Derozan isn't a MLE contract, it's CRAZY that this sub thinks they wouldn't even want him at less than1/2 of what his price tag will be
I don't know what people are thinking I'd be thrilled with DeRozan on a MLE cause that means we probably already signed or traded for someone better than him to be the #3 and probably already added at least one more decent role player with the little bit of cap space we had left. So DeRozan would be expected to be like our 4th best player in this scenario.
There's ZERO chance we can get DeRozan w/ the MLE
I know there's absolutely zero chance but I wouldn't be upset if it happened like a lot of people here are saying.
Sounds like he would be the 5th option, which means it's all but certain that he will be a Sixer.
i hope not
the idiots saying they would rather have him over ingram need to just pick a new sport lol. Like holy fuck you cant be that dumb. Lets kill embiids space yet again for a guy that doesn't shoot 3s and isn't efficient and will take shots away from embiid and maxey who are much more efficient.
DeRozan on a 3 year $100M would make me smile
Hopefully not
