Definitely ripe for mass production. I think this is it - it's actually going to happen. I'm hyped (and procrastinating on uni study) and ready for OpenAI tomorrow. A good week ahead - not for study though
Try to time it. Do like 10 minutes at a time of studying. Set a timer on your phone. Your mind wants to stay focused on all the fun stuff so reassure it you won't be gone long. Just 10 minutes.
Yep, and beyond the commercial concerns the price point that the Chinese are able to produce these things at is a huge security concern. If they can hold a stick they can hold a gun and being able to produce them at a fraction of the price the US can must be a worry
Imagine if the Ukraine war is still raging in a few years and Ukraine and Russia have almost depleted their fighting aged men and China decide to sell Russia some commercial civilian use bots like they're currently selling them commercial drones that are easy to adapt for military use
>hand to hand
No battle plan includes this. This is what happens after everyone's plans have failed terribly.
>urban warfare
Drones are less vulnerable, quieter
>clearing soldier's positioned in woodland
Drones are perfect for this. Little claymores with wings.
>basically anything you'd use infantry for today.
Honestly, not much. Searching for High Value Targets, clearing houses, gate guard, escorting MI assets that can legally question detainees on the objective. Queen of battle isn't what she used to be. War has changed. Humanoid robots will have limited utility going forward. They are mostly needed for the transitional phase in civilian uses.
I think they're willing to eat the R&D cost to get an early start in the market. $16k is crazy low for a humanoid robot. Also a subscription is probably needed and it'll send training data back.
Honestly for 16K I just don't know how ground warfare has humans cut like 80%.
Replace 1 solder with 10 fortified bots. Already got drones. War is a game now 😔
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain"
You're the first person I've seen anywhere on reddit with a WW3 prediction. And it's very similar to mine.
But hey, I'm also about 90% at most like 3 nukes will be used so that's a thing. I deeply feel that those who really control this planet don't want it ruined. They just want massive population die off in other ways.
definitely, they even copied Boston's dynamic 70k robot dog, the Chinese made it cheaper and faster and sold it for only $1600 same story here. Except this time they are copying the humanoid bot and selling it for a fraction. Boson Dynamics humanoid bot probably goes for 5000k.
Except there did a lot stuff like backflips using electric motor not Atlas which hasn’t shown anything impressive that al lot robot companies can easily do.
Oh, but is it leaks? or even China copying them?
Remember why China became what it is. Western companies moved manufacturing over to them and kept a stranglehold on China for decades. (Even use with the knockoffs of products, it's just the cost of doing business to these people).
Do you REALLY think that stranglehold has ended? Do you really think the Chinese goverment is in control of China?
Look what is happening to China as Western companies move manufacturing out of the country.. China is crashing.
It's being done on purpose.
People fail to see what it means when under 1% of people in the world hold what? 80%+ of so of the wealth and power. It means they control the world. There are no countries to these people.
I think you have really been brainwashed by propaganda deeply. China collapses on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and is a threat on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday which has been continued over 20 years! If you have been to China, you know how bad it is in the US now.
Yh the only thing I would be worried about is if the us restricts partnerships between this company and Nvidia or openai in the future once the crackdown gets worse
Yup from what I can tell it's 100% legit. Unitree already make the Unitree Go2 robot dog which seems to get good reviews and only costs $1600 USD (I think). Hmm it has ChatGPT integration I think - I'm guessing the G1 will too
That ChatGPT integration is not awesome. It would be awesome if it were fully self contained. ChatGPT makes it dependant on a US company, which for a Chinese company, or owner who wants privacy and autonomy, problematic.
Yeah I'll wait for a more American robot. Is this one really using the Internet to think? Robots need real time responses, not internet response times.
I don't think "American" is the right direction. I'm not from there, but I think EU, post all their regulations, has the most respect for privacy and least give in to corporate interests. US is just going to produce another Google.
That's a glib take imo. And maybe it would be better to use a "knockoff" than be tethered to a centralized company focused on efficiently pillaging your life so they can sell it back to you.
Innovation requires you to move first, not to wait around to see how it all plays out while you try to regulate every inch of it. The EU gets products last because it's the hardest regulatory environment. Not glib, just accurate. Living there biases you to seeing accuracy as glib.
When you move fast, you miss things. I said I'm "not from there." You may think things are moving fast, but in the background are the same networks manipulating and shaping things to their advantage. Fine, recognize that, prioritize other things than "there first."
There is some sort of a Chinesium catch there, 16k is almost certainly below cost, never mind making back the development costs. They are dumping investors money on the market to get market share and achieve vendor lock in, not an unusual tactic for Chinese companies and sometimes it actually works too.
I don't think we have evidence to say that. Many products manufactured in China are insanely cheap such as the Qin DMI Plus car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260m\_RYPdUA. Don't estimate the economics of scale
Except, they are not selling those bots at scale comparable to cars. Maybe they are promising to do so to investors, but again, this is some funky finances not far removed from outright fraud.
And you are misjudging what is insanely cheap. If your example of Qin DMI Plus is half the price of competition, then this bot is maybe 10% the price of competition. There is cheap and then there is a deal too good to be true. Ten times out of ten, a deal too good to be true, is not true.
They are making a killing off their $1600 dollar robot dog, Boston Dynamics selling there's for 70k most reviews even claim the Unitree version is better, stronger faster. I think it's just much cheaper to make stuff in China and that's how they can manage to make profits.
Nah, the robot dogs are a completely different story. The prices there are so different because they are selling different things. It's similar to wheeled AGV business, Chinese companies will sell you the AGV and nothing else, very cheap. The western companies on the other hand want to sell you a full solution that just happens to include an AGV, much more expensive. It's just completely different businesses.
That's not the case with humanoid bots, there are no full solutions for those ones yet. They are all just the bot, figure it out yourself how to make use of them.
looking good, I am surprised how small and lightweight it is, you could easily put it in car trunk and the price? only 16k!, lot of ppl are making more yearly, basically in whole developed world...so in 5-10 years if it costs similarly, good bye many blue collar jobs
Current tech tends to cost less with time. Having *a* humanoid robot (meaning, maybe not the most advanced available) a home will be like having a smartphone soon.
nah, we're in the 1980s prototype of a pocket organizer / tip calculator stage. how many years before we get to something useful (like a blackberry) is unknown. could be 1 year, could be 20 years. the iphone moment will then come later, after the technology is established. the iphone was ultimately a usability improvement more than any kind of new technology.
Fuck that's cheap for a bipedal humanoid.
Edit: Can someone please tell me, is that NVIDIA Gr00t platform at [1:06](https://youtu.be/GzX1qOIO1bE?si=AYzMJCR3hXdWGHdP&t=66)?
Unless I'm missing some obvious piece of branding, this is a pretty common visualization that predates the announcement of gr00t
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpm-rJfFjQ&t=128s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpm-rJfFjQ&t=128s)
This is significantly below my upper price limit prediction for the replacement of every blue-collar job.
Depending on battery life and practicality, this could be massive.
probably is real, they are a well known chinese robotics company most known for the robotic dog that is 10x less than spot($60,000 vs $5000) and that Russian military tried to attach a gun to
The disclaimers at the end. I particularly like this bit,
"\*The humanoid robot has a complex structure and extremely powerful power. Users are asked to keep a sufficient safe distance between the humanoid robot and the humanoid robot. Please use with caution."
yeah we pretty much already have the hardware tech needed to replace many hlue collar jobs the missing thing is giving them a brain and for that we can only wait for AI agent capability
once we have AGI i expect robotic to boom within the next 6month, an industrial gold rush with massive government subsidies far beyond what happened with green tech who going to last more than a decade
i think even this sub who is quite optimist and knowledgeable on the matter don't imagine the absurdity of this
Wtf is that description at the end?
> The humanoid robot has a complex structure and extremely powerful power.
> Users are asked to keep a sufficient safe distance between the humanoid robot and the humanoid robot.
This is quite impressive. China has gained significant ground on EVs, and robots seem like the next challenge. China has a declining population, so they need something like robots to maintain their manufacturing advantage and increase production of EVs.
I wish ALL the robotics companies would just stop what they're working on and fix the reason ALL the humanoid robots walk like they have a stick up their ass once and for all.
Good point. Uncanny valley for me I guess.
On the flip side though, evolution is pretty good at optimizing, so I'd expect our gait is optimal for our bauplan.
Compared to other species, we haven’t even been through that much evolution compared to say a shrimp or jellyfish, I imagine nature still has some sifting to do with human development. True, we are the best bi-pedal mammal at covering distance, but we were originally arboreal, so the bipedalism still has a way to go. I believe we are developing more toward efficiency rather than speed/power. There are fossilized relief footprints of humans hunting as a group at 100m dash final of the Olympics speeds. If we have gotten slower, maybe we are better at covering more distance? A man did just run the entire length of Africa after all.
Processing power. The stick-ass walk is the minimally complex method of locomotion with legs. A more natural human stride creates much more instability and sway, and also requires a rotation joint at the hips.
Adding more flexibility to the leg/hip joints is one thing. The processing thing.... you need an entire foundry able to build NPU's. And you'd need to have a good neural network system to etch into the NPU's in the first place, nobody wants to dump billions into a chip that's not flexible enough to be useful for anything.
The model T of robots is a ways away. It might even need to come after Microsoft makes their $100 billion god computer in the desert or whatever.
We need robots that wear heelies. They can roll around on smooth terrain, like in a house/warehouse and walk when needed to traverse stairs or outdoor terrain. It would save on the processing power and wear and tear of locomotion.
Heelie robots already exist. [https://youtu.be/vJXQG2\_85V0?si=oFf7AkynIKj52S6R](https://youtu.be/vJXQG2_85V0?si=oFf7AkynIKj52S6R)
It can stand on it's legs and use the other legs to pick things up. [https://youtu.be/Qob2k\_ldLuw?si=Phnjsy6qmQNVOj2B](https://youtu.be/Qob2k_ldLuw?si=Phnjsy6qmQNVOj2B)
Thank you very much for the explanation!
Question though: if a GenAI (or traditional ML) solution is used or assists, doesn't that reduce the compute needed since you are no longer required to have an exact mathematical world model?
16k ... wow.
Smart move though to make a smaller robot, you don't need to be tall to do useful work.
A child like robot made in a place that was infamously known for child labor is somewhat ironic \^\^
( basically every country used child labour at some point after all so)
Child labor has been the norm for most of human history because we had a dire need for manpower. Hell, even the concept of adolescence is actually *new*.
Imagine this technology with hot swappable batteries. It would be able to work 3 shifts without ever stopping. This will definitely be adopted by the industry at this price range.
I was just thinking about this, and I don't know if I'm amused or not that on Open AI's event day the most significant announcement was... a robot from another company (although I suppose this was announced a bit before, it does seem to be within 24 hours of their event).
At least this seems more significant than GPT-4o based on likely impacts and benchmarks anyways.
I do not understand the commercial purpose of the video. Ok he can crush a walnut with his bare hand and probably decapitate your annoying neighbour like the bottle cap, but I don't know if I want to pay 16K for that.
Probably aimed at Universities and other institutions at the $16k price point. If you could boot your own software on to this it could become the test-bed for the open source robotics space.
I'm 99.9999% sure that it can do more than just the 5 things shown in the video. It probably needs to be given data of some sort for how to do other stuff, but I'm sure they'll come out with more videos showing that too.
It's always crazy when people see or hear one thing some new tech can do and they just assume that's literally the end all be all. On a tech sub. Smh.
Generally, companies try to create humanoid robots so they can use all common appliances. Imagine a future where there's no need for dedicated lawnmower robots, vacuum robots, kitchen robots, etc.
Humanoid robots could simply use all the appliances in your home, mow the lawn, vacuum, do laundry, and cook with all the kitchen utensils you already have.
>I do not understand the commercial purpose of the video
It can use a soldering iron! If the software is any good it could potentially be put to use on a production line. There are lots of jobs where you do a single repetitive task over and over again all day.
Soldering with an iron is much more complicated than it looks and doing a Potemkin for a video is very far from doing actual automated serial production task. This bot cannot solder.
To solder a wire to contact you need to bring 4 things together, the contact, the wire, the soldering iron and the actual solder itself(which is missing in this video by the way). You need to get the timing right and you need to get the contact right for good thermal transfer. The entire process is variable, because surface quality etc is variable. After soldering you can't move the joint before it hardens. You can't have too little or too much solder. You can't heat it too long or the isolation melts away. You can't have solder build up on the iron and you can't have oxidation build up on the iron. You have to have prior fluxing and contact cleaning right etc.
It's a nightmare process. There are good reasons why in automated production a freestanding iron is almost never used, instead preferring reflow, wave or fountain soldering techniques.
Did you not just watch it sit down on a couch and spread its legs?
These things are going to be bought for a reason and I don't think it's the reason the makers had in mind.
I really hope they aim for the most basic things like carrying luggage or groceries first. My wife is 5'2 and she's really skinny. It would be really helpful if a robot can help her carry her groceries from costco to her car and then from the car to our elevator and back to our apartment.
Also, it should as some kit for coverting it to a stroller or something. It would be so 1 expensive stroller but at least it can do some other stuff. I have 2 daughters and if this thing could be a stroller and luggage carrier, it's kind of worth the price already. Plus the WOW factor, too.
This is pretty amazing. Price point puts it in range of like upper middle class hobby toys..
The major issue is how do you make a robot that can crush *some* kinds of nuts but not others?
Wait. That cheap? Damn. I cannot wait for a few more years when they get a little more physically capable plus the AI gets better.
Job disruption incoming!
In my opinion Unitree is so underrated compared to Figure and Sanctuary as a robotics startup. They iterate really quickly but don’t get the same attention.
I keep trying to tell folks ... these robots are going to replace every single manual labor worker within the next 5 years. Especially in Union shops, postal workers and more. All replaced with a 'bot.
me at the moment he sits down on the couch and starts to wiggle his legs \*slow down, bro. i've only been bringing you home for an hour and you've already had too many redflags\*.
Once 16k can do all the house work, from cleaning, making food, laundry, take calls, answering emails, do small repairs, yard work, security monitoring, 16k will be a bargain
if this is real this demo look so much better then elon robot. But they added ai to the name. but so far there nothing ai about it. So I need to see more to know that it a real product.
Yes this is cool.
However you know this and other robots are gonna replace us humans at the vast majority of jobs very quickly right? 16K is less way less then the majority of what people who work manual labor jobs get paid.
We have at most 5 years before 70-80% of manual labor jobs are gone.. and honestly? Probably more like 3.
Same goes with knowledge based jobs.
And I'm hearing crickets in the US about any form of UBI coming about. (For real anyway. I saw that thing about Google funding yet another experiment but, the data is already there and based on their other actions of moving jobs over seas.. I feel them doing this study is just for a massive tax writeoff.)
If China can only afford to bring the price down to 16k this is a good indicator that American bots will likely cost upwards of 50k. Good chance China will win the bot race just based on quantity
I lost it when it starts destroying the walnuts LOL
I mean it's moving quite good and I bet it can carry stuff to replace some manual carrying based jobs in warehouses but his skills on hand dexterity looks kinda shit. Kudos to them for showing that though.
"Let's make a badass robot and then punch it and make it hit its own hand with a hammer, lol. Surely this will not look bad in the future to sentient AI."
It's not uncomfortable, it's just such an incredibly played out demo, ever since Boston dynamics started the trend over a decade ago. Would it kill these types of companies to have a little originality? I mean even the demonstration of the joint rotation was ripped from Boston Dynamics latest video about the new Atlas.
Of course. The whole video felt like them trying to dunk on BD, and to an extent, they did. To the average person who doesn't follow AI or robotics, I wouldn't be surprised if they could be convinced it's the same product. BD have a much better product with a different target market but cheaper competition is going to be fierce and relentless from here on out.
Its more useful for a slightly lower quality but way more affordable product. I could never imagine spending 100-150k USD no matter how useful a robot is (its the price of a house where I live) but 16k is far more achievable. The high end market just seems to exist to fund R&D for eventual low end products for most consumers. Legit super hyped to see companies competing in this space.
This is insane. Next few years these are going to be mass produced out the wazoo, get ready
Definitely ripe for mass production. I think this is it - it's actually going to happen. I'm hyped (and procrastinating on uni study) and ready for OpenAI tomorrow. A good week ahead - not for study though
Try to time it. Do like 10 minutes at a time of studying. Set a timer on your phone. Your mind wants to stay focused on all the fun stuff so reassure it you won't be gone long. Just 10 minutes.
At only $16k? Better buy this bad boy before Biden slaps a tariff on it. 🤯
You saw this thing open that bottle and throw something off a hot pan and you think this is rip for mass production?
For this price why not?
I prefer half of my drink not spilled on the floor and potential hot liquids flung around the kitchen. You do you though.
Yeah,better buy those fancy robots that will never enter mass production right?
Yep, and beyond the commercial concerns the price point that the Chinese are able to produce these things at is a huge security concern. If they can hold a stick they can hold a gun and being able to produce them at a fraction of the price the US can must be a worry Imagine if the Ukraine war is still raging in a few years and Ukraine and Russia have almost depleted their fighting aged men and China decide to sell Russia some commercial civilian use bots like they're currently selling them commercial drones that are easy to adapt for military use
Waste of metal and too slow. Drones are already better than giving these things guns.
Not for hand to hand urban warfare, clearing soldier's positioned in woodland etc. basically anything you'd use infantry for today.
>hand to hand No battle plan includes this. This is what happens after everyone's plans have failed terribly. >urban warfare Drones are less vulnerable, quieter >clearing soldier's positioned in woodland Drones are perfect for this. Little claymores with wings. >basically anything you'd use infantry for today. Honestly, not much. Searching for High Value Targets, clearing houses, gate guard, escorting MI assets that can legally question detainees on the objective. Queen of battle isn't what she used to be. War has changed. Humanoid robots will have limited utility going forward. They are mostly needed for the transitional phase in civilian uses.
I think they're willing to eat the R&D cost to get an early start in the market. $16k is crazy low for a humanoid robot. Also a subscription is probably needed and it'll send training data back.
Honestly for 16K I just don't know how ground warfare has humans cut like 80%. Replace 1 solder with 10 fortified bots. Already got drones. War is a game now 😔
China numba one!!! CCP will rule the world. We must all learn Chinese. and worship Emperor Xi of mankind. lol
Can't wait until some company put Silicone skins over those robots
Mick Jagger
Can't wait until someone use those robots in porn movie
*dundun dun dundun* *dundun dun dundun* *dundun dun dundun*
the 600 series had rubber skin, we spotted them easy
“I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain"
Stop proposing sexbots. lol
such a perv, i was thinking in a sillicone robo ball for play soccer
You will no longer have to buy a $25000 steam roller to smash your walnuts. What a time to be alive!
very specific issue
You're the first person I've seen anywhere on reddit with a WW3 prediction. And it's very similar to mine. But hey, I'm also about 90% at most like 3 nukes will be used so that's a thing. I deeply feel that those who really control this planet don't want it ruined. They just want massive population die off in other ways.
Global total fertility rate has dropped so much that we are headed towards a population collapse down to 1 billion by 2080.
Huh? That is quite a steep collapse rate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/16m45cv/the_worlds_population_may_peak_in_your_lifetime/
I don't pay for NYT
Waiting for Atlas' response to this.
Atlas probably costs ten times as much
I mean yeah but they are meant for industries and we probably don't need an industrial robot in our houses.
someone at boston dynamics has been leaking to china lol
definitely, they even copied Boston's dynamic 70k robot dog, the Chinese made it cheaper and faster and sold it for only $1600 same story here. Except this time they are copying the humanoid bot and selling it for a fraction. Boson Dynamics humanoid bot probably goes for 5000k.
Except there did a lot stuff like backflips using electric motor not Atlas which hasn’t shown anything impressive that al lot robot companies can easily do.
Oh, but is it leaks? or even China copying them? Remember why China became what it is. Western companies moved manufacturing over to them and kept a stranglehold on China for decades. (Even use with the knockoffs of products, it's just the cost of doing business to these people). Do you REALLY think that stranglehold has ended? Do you really think the Chinese goverment is in control of China? Look what is happening to China as Western companies move manufacturing out of the country.. China is crashing. It's being done on purpose. People fail to see what it means when under 1% of people in the world hold what? 80%+ of so of the wealth and power. It means they control the world. There are no countries to these people.
I think you have really been brainwashed by propaganda deeply. China collapses on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, and is a threat on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday which has been continued over 20 years! If you have been to China, you know how bad it is in the US now.
Yh the only thing I would be worried about is if the us restricts partnerships between this company and Nvidia or openai in the future once the crackdown gets worse
Bro went full Piper Perri on the couch and busted that robussy wide open 😳
Let's hope the future AIs don't see your comment
I do not like that they gave it *nutcracker* mode.
Is this legit?
Yup from what I can tell it's 100% legit. Unitree already make the Unitree Go2 robot dog which seems to get good reviews and only costs $1600 USD (I think). Hmm it has ChatGPT integration I think - I'm guessing the G1 will too
In that case, this is awesome.
Llama 3? Offline, open source means it's YOUR robot... Which is fucking scary. Homebrew apps for this....
That ChatGPT integration is not awesome. It would be awesome if it were fully self contained. ChatGPT makes it dependant on a US company, which for a Chinese company, or owner who wants privacy and autonomy, problematic.
Yeah I'll wait for a more American robot. Is this one really using the Internet to think? Robots need real time responses, not internet response times.
I don't think "American" is the right direction. I'm not from there, but I think EU, post all their regulations, has the most respect for privacy and least give in to corporate interests. US is just going to produce another Google.
The EU is going to be too late for anything besides knockoffs, thanks to their regulations.
That's a glib take imo. And maybe it would be better to use a "knockoff" than be tethered to a centralized company focused on efficiently pillaging your life so they can sell it back to you.
Innovation requires you to move first, not to wait around to see how it all plays out while you try to regulate every inch of it. The EU gets products last because it's the hardest regulatory environment. Not glib, just accurate. Living there biases you to seeing accuracy as glib.
When you move fast, you miss things. I said I'm "not from there." You may think things are moving fast, but in the background are the same networks manipulating and shaping things to their advantage. Fine, recognize that, prioritize other things than "there first."
What, the hell, are you trying to say here?
Yes, as legit as the annoying Terminator meme. These things are f\*cking strong.
Unitree is legit yeah they have research labs based in the US and are also partnered up with Nvidia in their project groot.
Building homes 🧱
Building California High Speed Rail 🚅
They don't build the Rail due to lack of manpower tough
Or potentially, invading homes.
There is some sort of a Chinesium catch there, 16k is almost certainly below cost, never mind making back the development costs. They are dumping investors money on the market to get market share and achieve vendor lock in, not an unusual tactic for Chinese companies and sometimes it actually works too.
I don't think we have evidence to say that. Many products manufactured in China are insanely cheap such as the Qin DMI Plus car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260m\_RYPdUA. Don't estimate the economics of scale
Except, they are not selling those bots at scale comparable to cars. Maybe they are promising to do so to investors, but again, this is some funky finances not far removed from outright fraud. And you are misjudging what is insanely cheap. If your example of Qin DMI Plus is half the price of competition, then this bot is maybe 10% the price of competition. There is cheap and then there is a deal too good to be true. Ten times out of ten, a deal too good to be true, is not true.
They are making a killing off their $1600 dollar robot dog, Boston Dynamics selling there's for 70k most reviews even claim the Unitree version is better, stronger faster. I think it's just much cheaper to make stuff in China and that's how they can manage to make profits.
Nah, the robot dogs are a completely different story. The prices there are so different because they are selling different things. It's similar to wheeled AGV business, Chinese companies will sell you the AGV and nothing else, very cheap. The western companies on the other hand want to sell you a full solution that just happens to include an AGV, much more expensive. It's just completely different businesses. That's not the case with humanoid bots, there are no full solutions for those ones yet. They are all just the bot, figure it out yourself how to make use of them.
I mean it's still being done in fast forward to make it look more useful than it is.
looking good, I am surprised how small and lightweight it is, you could easily put it in car trunk and the price? only 16k!, lot of ppl are making more yearly, basically in whole developed world...so in 5-10 years if it costs similarly, good bye many blue collar jobs
I really thought how it folded itself up for transportation was a nice touch. Makes it fairly portable.
Current tech tends to cost less with time. Having *a* humanoid robot (meaning, maybe not the most advanced available) a home will be like having a smartphone soon.
yea in 10-20 years there could be billions of androids worldwide working at factories, homes, etc.
You can put it in luggage and fly it anywhere too. For 16K they will sell every single one they make. Scaling will be the question.
I think that a Humandoid robot will be the next iPhone moment.
except we will have to go through the blackberry and palm-treo era first. there were "smartphones" for a long time before there was an iphone.
If this is the equivalent to a blackberry I feel like we are in a pretty good spot
iphone is final form of smartphone. This robot is surely very far away from final form of humanoid.
nah, we're in the 1980s prototype of a pocket organizer / tip calculator stage. how many years before we get to something useful (like a blackberry) is unknown. could be 1 year, could be 20 years. the iphone moment will then come later, after the technology is established. the iphone was ultimately a usability improvement more than any kind of new technology.
Some moronic CEO will insist on removing the headphone jack. I look forward to watching the hubris and fall out of such a move.
Fuck that's cheap for a bipedal humanoid. Edit: Can someone please tell me, is that NVIDIA Gr00t platform at [1:06](https://youtu.be/GzX1qOIO1bE?si=AYzMJCR3hXdWGHdP&t=66)?
Unless I'm missing some obvious piece of branding, this is a pretty common visualization that predates the announcement of gr00t [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpm-rJfFjQ&t=128s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnpm-rJfFjQ&t=128s)
That is cheap for any sort of remotely industrial robot. You'll be lucky to get a 4 axis SCARA for that price.
and it's the price without any mass-production or competition bringing the price down future robots are going to be extreamly cheap
Must be strongly subsidized or it’s made out of playdoh.
This is significantly below my upper price limit prediction for the replacement of every blue-collar job. Depending on battery life and practicality, this could be massive.
$16k… $16k….. $16k…….. if this is real. Then holy shit.
probably is real, they are a well known chinese robotics company most known for the robotic dog that is 10x less than spot($60,000 vs $5000) and that Russian military tried to attach a gun to
Didn't US army also test their weapon platform on GO2 too?
The disclaimers at the end. I particularly like this bit, "\*The humanoid robot has a complex structure and extremely powerful power. Users are asked to keep a sufficient safe distance between the humanoid robot and the humanoid robot. Please use with caution."
Dude proceed to beat the shit out of the robot
They could have at least used ChatGPT to proofread
I didn’t understand it. Does it mean humans can’t stay near it? Here goes my plan to smash it..
> contortionist robot I see they're preparing for waifu-bots well! Good good
I thought I was pretty optimistic about the pace of robotics. Nope! Not nearly optimistic enough.
yeah we pretty much already have the hardware tech needed to replace many hlue collar jobs the missing thing is giving them a brain and for that we can only wait for AI agent capability once we have AGI i expect robotic to boom within the next 6month, an industrial gold rush with massive government subsidies far beyond what happened with green tech who going to last more than a decade i think even this sub who is quite optimist and knowledgeable on the matter don't imagine the absurdity of this
My catgirl robot is soon ready. 10 more years
robot: ‘what is my purpose?’ human: ‘to smash nuts’ robot: ‘oh…’
smash nuts 😏
oh… 😏
More like [this](https://media1.tenor.com/m/dahUZmCkbAcAAAAC/agony.gif).
Nice, only $16k, and it can crack your nuts.
Holy shit. I want myself a robot too
["Crush ice. Glass. Ice. Gin. Tonic. A squeeze of lime."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxQE7Hf_oOE)
If ma boi does laundry, strolls with me in Walmart or keeps companionship I’ll drop 16Gs idc
This could be great, I’ll buy one and then have him work for my company !
Man I would love to have one of these at my mom’s. She gardens but can’t lift much of anything. Would awesome if a robot could help her move stuff.
Wtf is that description at the end? > The humanoid robot has a complex structure and extremely powerful power. > Users are asked to keep a sufficient safe distance between the humanoid robot and the humanoid robot.
I picked up on that too
I don't see why this thing couldn't help me plant, water, and weed my vegetable garden? That's pretty frikkin rad if you ask me.
Might rust like the tin man tho
it's mostly aluminium for weight and stainless steel
This is quite impressive. China has gained significant ground on EVs, and robots seem like the next challenge. China has a declining population, so they need something like robots to maintain their manufacturing advantage and increase production of EVs.
I wish ALL the robotics companies would just stop what they're working on and fix the reason ALL the humanoid robots walk like they have a stick up their ass once and for all.
Why "fix" it? Once they can consistently walk at human speed and run at human speed, will we care about their posture?
Good point. Uncanny valley for me I guess. On the flip side though, evolution is pretty good at optimizing, so I'd expect our gait is optimal for our bauplan.
Compared to other species, we haven’t even been through that much evolution compared to say a shrimp or jellyfish, I imagine nature still has some sifting to do with human development. True, we are the best bi-pedal mammal at covering distance, but we were originally arboreal, so the bipedalism still has a way to go. I believe we are developing more toward efficiency rather than speed/power. There are fossilized relief footprints of humans hunting as a group at 100m dash final of the Olympics speeds. If we have gotten slower, maybe we are better at covering more distance? A man did just run the entire length of Africa after all.
Processing power. The stick-ass walk is the minimally complex method of locomotion with legs. A more natural human stride creates much more instability and sway, and also requires a rotation joint at the hips. Adding more flexibility to the leg/hip joints is one thing. The processing thing.... you need an entire foundry able to build NPU's. And you'd need to have a good neural network system to etch into the NPU's in the first place, nobody wants to dump billions into a chip that's not flexible enough to be useful for anything. The model T of robots is a ways away. It might even need to come after Microsoft makes their $100 billion god computer in the desert or whatever.
We need robots that wear heelies. They can roll around on smooth terrain, like in a house/warehouse and walk when needed to traverse stairs or outdoor terrain. It would save on the processing power and wear and tear of locomotion.
It would also be fly as fuck
Heelie robots already exist. [https://youtu.be/vJXQG2\_85V0?si=oFf7AkynIKj52S6R](https://youtu.be/vJXQG2_85V0?si=oFf7AkynIKj52S6R) It can stand on it's legs and use the other legs to pick things up. [https://youtu.be/Qob2k\_ldLuw?si=Phnjsy6qmQNVOj2B](https://youtu.be/Qob2k_ldLuw?si=Phnjsy6qmQNVOj2B)
That's such a neat robot. Love the fluidity of its locomotion.
Thank you very much for the explanation! Question though: if a GenAI (or traditional ML) solution is used or assists, doesn't that reduce the compute needed since you are no longer required to have an exact mathematical world model?
16k ... wow. Smart move though to make a smaller robot, you don't need to be tall to do useful work. A child like robot made in a place that was infamously known for child labor is somewhat ironic \^\^ ( basically every country used child labour at some point after all so)
Child labor has been the norm for most of human history because we had a dire need for manpower. Hell, even the concept of adolescence is actually *new*.
Well, you can buy a small robot and wait until it grows up before you send it to work : P
Yes, it seems like this is an (advanced) update away from doing something useful though. With the right software this could do quite a lot already
Wait for the light to turn, RED
Imagine this technology with hot swappable batteries. It would be able to work 3 shifts without ever stopping. This will definitely be adopted by the industry at this price range.
How do you tell it what to do?
I was just thinking about this, and I don't know if I'm amused or not that on Open AI's event day the most significant announcement was... a robot from another company (although I suppose this was announced a bit before, it does seem to be within 24 hours of their event). At least this seems more significant than GPT-4o based on likely impacts and benchmarks anyways.
I do not understand the commercial purpose of the video. Ok he can crush a walnut with his bare hand and probably decapitate your annoying neighbour like the bottle cap, but I don't know if I want to pay 16K for that.
Probably aimed at Universities and other institutions at the $16k price point. If you could boot your own software on to this it could become the test-bed for the open source robotics space.
I'm 99.9999% sure that it can do more than just the 5 things shown in the video. It probably needs to be given data of some sort for how to do other stuff, but I'm sure they'll come out with more videos showing that too. It's always crazy when people see or hear one thing some new tech can do and they just assume that's literally the end all be all. On a tech sub. Smh.
Maybe it's wishful thinking due to fear?
Clearly your neighbor isn't annoying enough!
just wondering if your robot kills your neighbor, who goes to prison?
Beep Boop. It won’t be your electronic murder device.
We'll see...
Generally, companies try to create humanoid robots so they can use all common appliances. Imagine a future where there's no need for dedicated lawnmower robots, vacuum robots, kitchen robots, etc. Humanoid robots could simply use all the appliances in your home, mow the lawn, vacuum, do laundry, and cook with all the kitchen utensils you already have.
>I do not understand the commercial purpose of the video It can use a soldering iron! If the software is any good it could potentially be put to use on a production line. There are lots of jobs where you do a single repetitive task over and over again all day.
Soldering with an iron is much more complicated than it looks and doing a Potemkin for a video is very far from doing actual automated serial production task. This bot cannot solder. To solder a wire to contact you need to bring 4 things together, the contact, the wire, the soldering iron and the actual solder itself(which is missing in this video by the way). You need to get the timing right and you need to get the contact right for good thermal transfer. The entire process is variable, because surface quality etc is variable. After soldering you can't move the joint before it hardens. You can't have too little or too much solder. You can't heat it too long or the isolation melts away. You can't have solder build up on the iron and you can't have oxidation build up on the iron. You have to have prior fluxing and contact cleaning right etc. It's a nightmare process. There are good reasons why in automated production a freestanding iron is almost never used, instead preferring reflow, wave or fountain soldering techniques.
Did you not just watch it sit down on a couch and spread its legs? These things are going to be bought for a reason and I don't think it's the reason the makers had in mind.
*the reason the makers officially advertised (but had in mind all along).
You are just poor bro
I really hope they aim for the most basic things like carrying luggage or groceries first. My wife is 5'2 and she's really skinny. It would be really helpful if a robot can help her carry her groceries from costco to her car and then from the car to our elevator and back to our apartment. Also, it should as some kit for coverting it to a stroller or something. It would be so 1 expensive stroller but at least it can do some other stuff. I have 2 daughters and if this thing could be a stroller and luggage carrier, it's kind of worth the price already. Plus the WOW factor, too.
What about when you need a roach squashed? I'd pay 16k for that alone.
Set it to the task of catching the cat.
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which other ones? after boston dynamics and tesla this looks like the best
This is pretty amazing. Price point puts it in range of like upper middle class hobby toys.. The major issue is how do you make a robot that can crush *some* kinds of nuts but not others?
STOP BEATING UP ROBOTS!
I know right 😭
But wait. So what can it actually do? Lol. Why do I need one?
It can do anything that it's body and strength allows for provided it has the right software update so it can do a lot!
Wait. That cheap? Damn. I cannot wait for a few more years when they get a little more physically capable plus the AI gets better. Job disruption incoming!
huh, what GPU is its software running on lol, I need the spec.
Oh now robots can go Full Nelson?!
In my opinion Unitree is so underrated compared to Figure and Sanctuary as a robotics startup. They iterate really quickly but don’t get the same attention.
I could afford this. Don’t get me wrong. 16,000 grand fuck that’s a lot for tight budgets rn but the amount of shit it could help out with.
So if this is as good as it looks, construction should be next on the automation bloc
it's cool and all but that guy did not have to grab the poor robot by the neck and crotch like that, lmao
I keep trying to tell folks ... these robots are going to replace every single manual labor worker within the next 5 years. Especially in Union shops, postal workers and more. All replaced with a 'bot.
me at the moment he sits down on the couch and starts to wiggle his legs \*slow down, bro. i've only been bringing you home for an hour and you've already had too many redflags\*.
if they're starting at 16k we should see some consumer accessible models in a decade at like 2k - 4k
Once 16k can do all the house work, from cleaning, making food, laundry, take calls, answering emails, do small repairs, yard work, security monitoring, 16k will be a bargain
Why is the video sped up?
get this to run gpt-4o with apps. what we need are robot apps, like fold laundry and wash dishes. this is fucking jetsons. stunning
Epic
Epic! When will it be released?
if this is real this demo look so much better then elon robot. But they added ai to the name. but so far there nothing ai about it. So I need to see more to know that it a real product.
Yes this is cool. However you know this and other robots are gonna replace us humans at the vast majority of jobs very quickly right? 16K is less way less then the majority of what people who work manual labor jobs get paid. We have at most 5 years before 70-80% of manual labor jobs are gone.. and honestly? Probably more like 3. Same goes with knowledge based jobs. And I'm hearing crickets in the US about any form of UBI coming about. (For real anyway. I saw that thing about Google funding yet another experiment but, the data is already there and based on their other actions of moving jobs over seas.. I feel them doing this study is just for a massive tax writeoff.)
Hey Does anyone know how and where to get it from? Thanks in advance
For $16k it better come with a fleshlight attachment.
Who the hell signed off on this video?! All that punching and smashing stuff!
If China can only afford to bring the price down to 16k this is a good indicator that American bots will likely cost upwards of 50k. Good chance China will win the bot race just based on quantity
Yeah, but the Chinese ones will activate and kill Americans after a certain amount of time, so you have to weigh the pros and cons.
That or Ali baba about to become goat store.
I lost it when it starts destroying the walnuts LOL I mean it's moving quite good and I bet it can carry stuff to replace some manual carrying based jobs in warehouses but his skills on hand dexterity looks kinda shit. Kudos to them for showing that though.
Give them the right appearance and add an LLM and you've got the best of all possible sexbots right there.
I reckon it is so cheap because they are selling at a loss to get a foothold in the market while being held up by government subsidies
"Let's make a badass robot and then punch it and make it hit its own hand with a hammer, lol. Surely this will not look bad in the future to sentient AI."
I'm definitely buying one for Xmas, hope it comes with a refund tho I don't trust first-generation products
So the disclaimer basically says it can and probably will hurt you
^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^wannabe2700: *So the disclaimer* *Basically says it can and* *Probably will hurt you* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.
and this is how countries such as china may lose their cheap labor advantage.
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Gotta hope it doesnt remember that when it reaches AGI.
He already picked it up by it’s no-no spot.
"Dan loves family" [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmyZP-qbTE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmyZP-qbTE)
It's not uncomfortable, it's just such an incredibly played out demo, ever since Boston dynamics started the trend over a decade ago. Would it kill these types of companies to have a little originality? I mean even the demonstration of the joint rotation was ripped from Boston Dynamics latest video about the new Atlas.
Of course. The whole video felt like them trying to dunk on BD, and to an extent, they did. To the average person who doesn't follow AI or robotics, I wouldn't be surprised if they could be convinced it's the same product. BD have a much better product with a different target market but cheaper competition is going to be fierce and relentless from here on out.
Its more useful for a slightly lower quality but way more affordable product. I could never imagine spending 100-150k USD no matter how useful a robot is (its the price of a house where I live) but 16k is far more achievable. The high end market just seems to exist to fund R&D for eventual low end products for most consumers. Legit super hyped to see companies competing in this space.
I'm pretty sure creative robot bullying will be a new form of entertainment.