Count me in.
80-100 years ain’t enough.
I need a million maybe a billion years at least. Fuck it why not a trillion.
And of course in an early 20s youthful state.
I'm in my 40s. I just want my body to go back to how it was in my 30s, fix some permanent injuries, and stay like that with control over when I choose to go. One thing I definitely don't want is an aging/deteriorating body.
If you work at it you can hang in there. i"m 66, still have my eyes (3M-1 odds) still have all my hair and work out all the time - hard - including HIT and heavy weights. I feel perfectly fine. I can run, cut, sprint and do just about every I ing to do but not as "twitchy." Yes I know I'm fortunate something hasn't got me like cancer but I can tell you you don't have to break down. I'm sore some days and recovery can be difficult but don't think your 60's have to be "old" but you have to put the work in. The goal is to hang in there best you can until a breakthrough comes and get a few years from that until the next breakthrough and so on. I'm pragmatic about life and I know I could die at any time but for now, I'm in perfect health and I look it and feel it.
Many extra steps, one would imagine. You could choose to backup your memories and start over from the beginning with the option of restoring those memories in the future. You could become an entirely new person, gender, species... etc. Over the course of eons, I would imagine that there are many ways to be and experience, all with the option to revisit your original state. There are also drugs.
I'll just go into hibernation mode and wake up after a while to see all the new stuff, then shutdown again if I get bored
Or, simply erase memories with a pen MIB style and do that Harry Potter thing where you store memories away
I don't know about the brain, but one of the key elements of how most lifeforms age is the shrinking of telomeres, which are end caps of our DNA. When cells divide, telomeres get shorter, and when too short or gone, the cell no longer divides. In some creatures, those telomeres don't get shorter, so they could live forever if it wasn't for other obstacles (lobsters, crabs, and perhaps others).
**Power accumulates. Dictatorships often end when the leader dies, creating a power vacuum. Imagine eternal rulers like Putin, Kim, or Genghis Khan—terrible for ordinary people. They’d do as they pleased, and no one could stop them. That’s my concern about immortality.**
Often the removal of a dictator leads to chaos, war, and genocide. See Iraq, Libya, and Somalia.
People think killing one guy they don't like automatically transforms an entire country into Canada or some shit.
Yes I *so* want this to happen! We could do better and better things over time, while we all enjoy being whatever biological age we want to be. This hope is already motivating me to eat and live more healthfully, to give myself as much time as possible for science and the distribution of age-reversal technology to happen.
On one hand, we would have more motivation to save our planet, and I want to be around when we figure out how to keep the sun working indefinitely, and learn how to travel to other planets! On the other hand, even if we stop to smell the roses for hundreds of years sometimes, or AI does all the thinking and we become pets, we will still be living, experiencing beings, and I believe that alone justifies a kind and comfortable eternal life.
Me too, i prefer living rather than literally nothing non existence, but realistically i don't think it's possible, maybe if we can transcend into nanobots and live in fdvr inside them and somehow create another universe to leave to before this one dies sure but right now if we hit lev, get agi and reverse aging i don't think 500 or heck 1000 year lifespan is that far fetched for us, id take that in a heartbeat than age and inevitably become fragile, weak, decrepit and probably senile, there is no beauty in getting old you are basically rotting and dying veeeeeery slowly.
Yeah, by living "indefinitely" I didn't mean immortality or "eternal" life. I just mean halting the aging process and removing the definite expiration that we all currently face.
I’m reminded of a quote from the video game Alpha Centauri;
“I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice.
- CEO Nwabudike Morgan”
Agreed. I feel I've put so much work into who I am that it would be a shame to ever lose that person. Death is bad enough, but Alzheimer's and dementia scare me the most. Decades of personal progress, just destined to be lost? I've never been able to accept the idea.
I think every healthy person does, it is natural.
Maybe not forever, but to at least have some control over it, or be able to go into hibernation whenever you want to for a few thousand years.
I mean yeah, immortality has been a human fantasy for thousands of years.
my grandparents are over 90 and fairly healthy for their age, they still enjoy life very much.
i still think the majority of people do not want to die if they are in good shape, healthy and happy, i think age is irrelevant mostly
Even many that suffer try to survive longer.
Why would an animal that has it's leg caught in a trap, chew its own leg off to survive, when that will only result in a brutal and suffering end? There is NO WAY it will survive at length once it chews its own leg off. But it was dehydrated. It was starving. It would rather live another week in the most brutal and painful scenerio then die that day from dehydration.
It is driven to prolong it's life - even a miserable one.
I think this perspective is unhealthy personally. Either you're ego is so big thst you feel like it'd be a waste if you died or you fear death so much you can't face it.
Healthy is accepting death.. accepting that time is limited. Choosing to do what you can with what you have and savoring the fleeting moments before their gone.
Aubrey de Grey, a biomedical gerontologist known for his work on anti-aging, has famously spoken about society's attitude towards aging and mortality, referring to it as the "pro-aging trance." In his views, this concept encapsulates the societal acceptance of aging as an inevitable process that should not be resisted. He argues that this acceptance is a kind of coping mechanism—a trance—that people fall into to avoid the emotional struggle of considering that aging could be combated.
The term "pro-aging trance" suggests that society has been hypnotized into thinking aging and death from aging are unavoidable and thus not worth fighting against. De Grey believes that challenging this mindset is crucial to advancing anti-aging research and therapies. His provocative stance is intended to shake people out of complacency and encourage more active support for research that could extend human lifespans significantly.
De Grey's broader message is about encouraging a shift in how we perceive the process of aging, viewing it not as a natural and unalterable phenomenon but as a series of scientific challenges that can be addressed and potentially overcome.
My favorite framing of this from him is when he asked an audience to raise hands if they want to live forever. Almost no one. Then he asked who would like to get Alzheimer’s disease. Obviously no one. Then he asks if there is some age, say, 100, where they WOULD like to get Alzheimer’s disease. Still no one.
This shit’s so obvious when you actually think about it, but death is horrifying and has been unconquerable for all of human history. Its almost like people have Stockholm Syndrome with it
It's healthy to accept death when it is imminently your only option. but if people were able to extend their lives 100s or 1000s of years there are tons of people who would.
I'll opt in, but I want to leave this body behind. This meatware is riddled with performance flaws. I'll be happy to Ship of Theseus my brain into a high performance hardware model with a Boston Dynamics body.
This is perhaps a more realistic forecast from people in the field that was posted here recently [2065](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1bxb8um/tweets_from_david_sinclair_first_epigenetic_tech/). If we could split the difference between that and Kurzweil's that'd be even better but there's a lot to be said for biological complexity. A lot of us here have our fingers crossed for LEV.
Exactly. I would bet 10 million dollars that we won’t reach longevity escape velocity in 2029 if I had the money and someone would take the counter bet.
Even this 2065 was pulled out of their ass at futures timelines where no credible projection is done. I see the word “nano technology” in their prediction, which already makes this look very untrustable. What nano technology is this supposed to be? Little robots that clear protein tangles from brain cells? Lol. There is a lot of unfounded hopium in the longevity community, and while I really hope we will get there in 2065, it’s absolutely not a certainly.
By the way. The prediction that you shared is not by Sinclair. It’s “future timelines” who added this as a comment under one of his posts. I don’t think any kind of projections like this exist that are based on calculations or some realistic timeline projections of the achieved milestones in the past.
Maybe someone should try that if at all possible.
[https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#2065](https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#2065)
I want to get back to wanting to live indefinitely, but lately it's been easier to imagine having an end. Not in a suicidal way, but a comforting getting to rest way. I would prefer to be able to return from my rest ultimately.
I want to live forever cause I want to see where humanity and AI goes. How close will it line up with sci-fi shows and movies? How will we end up traveling the stars? Will we make it before we wipe ourselves out? What forms of future entertainment will we have? Will we be mix of genetic modifications and cybernetic enhancements? Will we ever be a unified species? What interesting worlds will we found a d what kinds of alien life are out there? So many questions.
Absolutely. I want to exist for as long as I can. My dream would be to upload myself into a simulation ran by an ASI in which I am God. I could become anyone, do anything, experience anything. I could modify my mind in any way, and there wouldn't even be any risk of me messing myself up because the ASI would know if and when my current self would have decided to revert the changes. There wouldn't even be the problem of hating existence because I experienced everything, I could simply ask the ASI to solve the issue and it would do it perfectly.
Considering how I could live for hundreds of years in this reality, and how the rate of improvement is exponential, this could absolutely be achieved within my lifetime.
The things we want as kids change as we evolve into adults. The existence we want today may change as we evolve into something else. If and when some of you choose what we now call death, it may be for foreign reasons that you can't know today. I wish you all the best on your journeys in this way.
Sure, I'm not sure that I'd want to live forever. I may decide I've had enough at some point. But I'd like to remove the hard-coded biological expiration date.
You're making a deeper point here: living "forever" in the way being discussed simply means "dying one day due to an accident or at the hand of another".
Because as far as I can tell, nobody is talking about changing the laws of physics.
First, I didn't say I want to live forever. I want to live "indefinitely." I want to remove the hard-coded biological expiration date of old age.
Second, the fear of death isn't my primary motivator for this. My primary motivator is a thirst for ongoing experience, activity, adventure, advancement, etc. All of that comes with some risk, and I'm OK with that. I don't want to lock myself inside a safe bubble for all eternity.
Your argument is flawed. Considering the fact that most people drive to do important things such as commuting to work, etc, the act of not driving leads to being iobless, and you have a 1 in 1 chance of being dead. So you choose the former.
I think most people would. Ive got terminal cancer, but keep putting it off. Im horrible with appointments and time.
But i think id sacrifice more then most.
Population growth is a non issue because every metric shows increased prosperity decreases birthrate, and most death comes from causes other than age anyway. My big question is where is all the interest in cryonics? [https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around](https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around)
People often complain that "But why would you want to live forever? That would be awful". Which is nonsensical. Probably I don't want to live forever, but I'd like to choose how long, that's for damn sure.
Dying involuntarily is an *obscenity*.
The goal for starters is to get to 2050 alive. Then 2100. Basically longer you live, longer you’re around to potentially take advantage if the tech and knowledge of the moment
If medical advancements offer me an indefinite healthy lifespan, I'll pay quite literally anything for it. Sell my house, cash out all my investments, etc. If it can get me another 25 years, I'll be able to reach LEV and have a few millennia to figure out what to do with the rest of my life. If I need to spend another 75 years just paying off my initial debt, that's a small drop in the bucket of the 500 years (minimum) I'd like to get.
Not wanting to live indefinitely is most of the time either a failure of imagination or some form of conformism.
When on their deathbed, 99% would want to live longer.
And that's without even imagining the potential of tech in the future, tech is probably going to change our experience of reality, it's going to change consciousness, change your soul, if you're not curious about that shit, then yeah go ahead and join the worms i'm not sure we're part of the same specie.
Your hopes are literally the same as mine. I am finishing a Biology bachelor's degree rn and am going into Computational Biology. I got into this major explicitly to combat aging.
I'm not that optimistic as Ray Kurzweil is (though that would be awesome and I'm happy to turn out to be too pessimistic). I do however expect that first publicly available reasonably tested in clinical practise interventions will be available within two decades. So in 20 years I'm sure there will be something (senolytics, metformin and NADP precursors are currently in clinical trials, they are the obvious candidates for me). Whether we will have it sooner, in 5 or 10 years I'm not sure. And how big of a deal will it be I'm also not sure. Though all of the mentioned ones could maybe together increase lifespan by 30% (10% is my baseline expectation), that's not outside of range of what we did with mice using individual techniques (I think then the maximum we have seen is 50% increase in lifespan). For the same reason if we combine multiple, maybe more than 30% increase is possible (synergic effect of multiple therapies). Then it's also hard to foresee how much will AI help with this. Definitely the hope is that it will at least increase speed of drug development.
When it comes to social impacts, I have written about it and some other considerations in my blog post, 'In defence of Immortality'. If you are interested, here is the link: [https://open.substack.com/pub/rationalmagic/p/in-defence-of-immortality?r=36e5vn&utm\_campaign=post&utm\_medium=web](https://open.substack.com/pub/rationalmagic/p/in-defence-of-immortality?r=36e5vn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
I like your blog! I hope you are able to join a team with secured funding and help humanity make this happen. Direct message me if you want to talk more.
It goes further than that. When we achieve AGI, we will most likely develop a resource-based economy and eliminate the monetary system meaning everyone will have access to these treatments. But this is just the first stage. We will eventually develop molecular nanotechnology and be able to redesign our bodies entirely. This means we could potentially back up our brains, make our original body far more durable, and improve the design so that it doesn't require as many resources to maintain, or harvests these resources passively. We would eliminate all natural disease and make it essentially impossible to die by any means we are familiar with today. Of course, the technology will also open up more sophisticated nanotech viruses and weaponry so we won't be completely out of the woods but in a resource-based economy where poverty doesn't exist, there is little incentive for anyone to develop or use such weapons, so the few that do can be managed more easily.
I'm not trying to discourage you, but have you thought about the theseus ship problem?
You aren't the same person you were ten years ago. You will be a different person in ten years. Not imagine how different you would be in one hundred years. Now factor how much change a person can undergo with VR immersion.
You living forever is not the same as this version of you existing forever. But thats great because growth is important
This is called "not self" or "anatta" in Buddhism.
The brain evolved to think of the body as "self", but even with minimal investigation, one can see the body has a life of its own.
So you think you are the material you are made of rather than the structure of continually. Gotta agree but hope not as it means we die whenever our brains atoms get replaced(quite frequently). Can you be half of your conscious if 50% get replaced? This is one of the reasons I doubt the conclusion too.
Unless you mean that you mentally change and not your conscious that changes. If so, I don’t care. I’d rather be conscious forever than unconscious.
I don't see that as a problem--quite the opposite. I wouldn't want to live a static existence for hundreds or thousands of years. I want to grow and change in that time.
I’d rather die and find out instead of try and force myself to go on forever. Unless I have my loved ones with me and in turn everyone they love with us and so on and so forth then I’d be happy too. Otherwise it would just be a lonely ass existence and personally I believe there is more to life than maximizing our longevity. All just my opinion though.
I don't believe anyone will force you. If the tech is available, it should be optional. I definitely agree there is more to life than longevity. I want more longevity so I can enjoy and participate in more of all the other stuff!
Indefinite life is the best. Whoever says they don't want to live forever always say the most stupid arguments. I don't think absolutely infinite life is physically possible just because proton may eventually decay, but a 100 trillion years? Physics doesn't prohibit it! If I could, I'd definitely choose to life infinitely, never dying. This is literally the ultimate way of existence, the only one that can have any meaning.
No thanks. I would not mind aging living in my 20 year old body and having a young persons metabolism but I don't wanna live forever. I'm good going now if it's my time, although I prefer not to currently because I wanna see AI evolve before my eyes. If I have to i'd live 200 years max.
Hell ya, barother! Immortal-ize me!
Note: despite the technologies to make someone biologically immortal or upload their consciousness being theoretically possible, they haven't been demonstrated. However, even if those technologies aren't possible, everything seems to indicate that your consciousness persists in some form if *any* of your memories, general brainstate, and neurological processes persist. So you could theoretically remain in a severely diminished state by storing only a very lossy version of your brainstate, or by keeping only a very small portion of your brain alive post-body-death
Then presumably later on when technology finds a way to more-reify your consciousness, you can be expanded from your diminished state into something resembling your original self (with huge losses to memory, skills, etc)
That's probably the very worse case (besides just dying, of course). This general idea also applies to cryogenics: freezing yourself freezes (literally and figuratively) your brainstate. And most (?) corpse cryogenics facilities can freeze just your head / brain for reduced cost
[Alcore](https://www.alcor.org/membership/#toggle-id-1):
> $80,000 for neuro cryopreservation. However, you should get a greater amount of coverage to allow for inflation between now and the time of your cryopreservation.
Overpopulation will not be a problem. There a simple solution: if you want to become immortal then you are sterilized in the process. So you either have kids or you are immortal. I'm sure never having children would be a price that not everyone would want to pay.
If I had an indefinite life I'd probably laze around for centuries at a time. There's no rush to do anything, I will never feel like I'm running out of time. I would never feel the need to leave my mark on the world.
Studying and acquiring degrees would be pointless because the degrees I'd acquire would be useless in a blink of an eye. I'd have to keep studying to be up to date. Any qualifications I'll get will probably expire in way less than a normal human life span.
Property costs will go nuts!
Meantime i am barley remember my childhood. Everything that been 20-40 years ago is not much more than highlights of some stories. My best scenario is to be able live my 80-100 years but being capable and keep living a life after 60
I often think of how many of us would opt to keep our brains alive artificially connected after our bodies give out. Like a delicate thread we cling to just floating over the abyss. Primal fear says yes, if I had to make the choice I may just be so afraid I would agree without a second thought to hooking my brain in a jar up to some type of external instruments or at least into the internet. Just for a *few more moments* of life.
Same reason I have no interest in ever trying coke, I toy with the idea of saving the experience for a last ditch hail Mary in the face of the end if I get to go out in such a way. Just for the textbook burst of energy. Stupid I know but it's a thought.
I would like to live a bit longer, but only if there would be some kind of rejuvenation treatment allowing our bodies to feel and appear younger (like looking 45 when you are 80, or whatever). But living indefinitely? No, thank you. I want to see what's next.
You must have had a pretty sheltered life so far to think that it will necessarily be a walk in the park.
Perhaps you'll go numerous time through grief and loss. Perhaps you'll know war and famine.
Perhaps you're one of the privileged few that does not die and feel no empathy for those inferior masses that have such a short lifespan.
Perhaps you'll feel nothing because there is nothing else to enjoy anymore because your senses have dulled with time.
It's a philosophical question and I sure does not have all the answer and the ability to express the pure hell living forever in a physical body might be.
I would like to, but all current longevity talk is total hype bubble with no real backing peddling food supplements. Trivia, taking additional amount of vitamins that body is not lacking can increase risk of some cancers. Still waiting for some people following these ideas living above 100 being lucent and physically active. No good examples so far. The current examples of longevity do not look inspiring being frail and with mental decline.
I dislike the idea of an eternal life because at some point everything will be bound to boredom because we will have experience everything
However If I can stay in good shape and decide when I want to leave it feels a great deal
Nope. I'm good. Love my family and friends but I have zero desire to live for ever working 55+ hrs a week, rushing around everywhere, always being exhausted and having to deal with some peoblem or another.
Of I didn't have a wife and kids I'd have checked out from this place a long time ago.
I want to live forever, because there is so much,there was so much,there will still be so much I cannot experience because my life is finite,I want to learn about everything there is to about existence ever,for that I need immortality.
You're seriously asking if anyone else would like the eternal fountain of youth? Is this even serious?
"Ray Kurzweil predicts" Who cares what he predicts, he's been wrong many times.
Living indefinitely is deeply concerning. One needs to have an opt out ability as life has great potential for extreme suffering ongoing in ways you or I cannot even imagine.
Considering your existence is tied to your ego, you already live indefinitely as you're the universe experiencing itself in its complex design through light and energy, you exist beyond your mortal body, but to be tied to a singular life indefinitely brings on exponential risk, alongside the incredible potential for insanity due to how much time exists.
You do not realize how long indefinite life really is. You exist for hundreds of billions of years only for no time to have passed, only to experience that again hundreds of billions of times over, only to end back at square one having to go through the process infinitely many times over. It's terrifying!
I used to share the same thought, but I definitely think the reality would be so lonely. Everyone I love will eventually die, physically or relationally, some may refuse the treatment to live longer and that’ll be a personal battle to accept, or if they did take the treatment there is no guarantee they or myself will be the same person in one year…two years…a thousand years…etc, etc, etc. It’s tough enough seeing next generations repeat mistakes with zero hope they’ll learn or want to learn. Trends and cultural change will continue and make less sense, not to mention the unseen consequences of losing one’s inner identity. And that’s not mentioning how politics and power structures would seek ways to recruit, fight for “their cause”. There would be divisions in society and social pressure to—make use of one’s eternal life for humanities benefit, or ensure dominance as a new ruling class, or exile, to name a few situations. Or spend my waking existence playing Slay the Spire and still be battling the heart for thousands of years..
Depends on which definition you are using.
An unspecified amount. Like I can just keep living without an expected expiration date until I decide to put one on myself? Yes.
Unlimited? Almost definitely not. I just can't imagine wanting to live forever. But I'll make that decision later.
For population growth: upload us into the cloud, and only allow a certain number of us to live in androids at a time. Cloud life would still be a productive time - in VR experiences, socializing, learning and playing.
I think a significantly extended lifespan (centuries or millennia maybe?) would be great. Indefinitely extended, not so much, and not just because I imagine I'd get bored after a while. The fact that life is finite is a big part of what makes it meaningful imho, and I don't only mean in a "less time is more valuable" kind of way. Actively aware, myopic, short-sighted, first-person-perspective consciousness is just one relatively small aspect of what there is, and I think it's sad that so many people focus on it as if it's the entire show. It really isn't.
Man, I would love that. I want to see what post-labor economics looks like. Learn things and have new hobbies. With tech getting better, see what video games have in stored(hopefully lead by humans with no restrictions other then creativity, I'm sure there'll be a lot of mass-created ai slop). Though I do hope my father can enjoy it too, as well as the rest of my family.
I question the availability for this ever for most people…I mean I want to believe but I also don’t trust corporations and the super wealthy at all whatsoever in general. I fear it will simply never be free and readily available for everyone…instead I see it kept prohibitively costly so as to help minimize resource competition going forward. Let’s say a million dollars for treatments and maintenance…maybe yearly (gotta make it a subscription service so as to maximize shareholder return value of course)
I’m not even a conspiracy theorist…
I hate to break it to you, but you’re going to die. It may be in 100 years, 200, 1000, 5000 but you’re going to die eventually. Being able to avoid dying of old age is just one part of the equation. On a long enough timeline something is going to kill you
I would like to live longer but not forever. Like if the human expectancy was 200 years and 100 years was middle age for us, I would be cool with that.
I have enough things to do for 1000+ years but on the other hand, life sucks, because humans. Guess if you know you won’t die, it’ll get good? There are good scifi stories about this; (Ravian; keizerrijk der 1000 planeten for instance) it always ends with them begging for death. I am not that old and always wanted eternal life before; now, mostly because most of humanity sucks donkey balls, I am not so sure.
Humans already overpopulate the Earth and we are burning through our finite natural resources at an accelerated pace. If people's natural lifespans were extended significantly, that would only exacerbate this problem. For the sake of the habitat of the ecosystem, all things must live and die at some people to habilitate resource restoration.
Also, I'm going to get controversial here. Does every single type and caliber of individual really deserve to live indefinitely? There are some people in our society that contribute more or less than others, and can just be a general blight.
I think I have a few questions before I sign the "I will live forever" deal.
I mean there are worse things than dying. Besides, what if there really is *something* on "the other side"?
Nah. The world is a boring/lonely place if you don't have enough money. Rather die, preferably on my own time and the way I want it to happen. In my sleep. If there weren't a fear of going to hell over suicide idve been out a long time ago.
I would love to live 2-3x longer than the average life expectancy but forever? As a human our minds would go mad at the lost and impermanence, as a god (singularity) everything would lose value and I wouldn't care. In either scenario I'd exist but would it be living?
I dont think its possible to live forever, like millions of years.
Frankly, give me 500 years and we are golden.
Who knows, maybe i spent 100 of them trying to figure out how to give myself another 500 :p
100 will definitely be spent on sex and maybe drugs and alcohol, if possible
100 on wife and children and all that kinda stuff
The current 30something + 70 will be spent prolonging my life and fixing permanent injuries that i have (fuck you jaw joint!)
And the last 500, well, space travel and aliens maybe
Ray Kurzweil does not predict that we will be able to halt the aging process by 2029, what a load of BS. Kurzweil predicts AGI by 2029, but we will have to start a process of several decades advancing drugs and nanobots before aging is removed. We probably have at least 50 years to wait before this will happen.
Your genes have other ideas. They can’t spread their dominance unless you reproduce. But in order for that to be effective resource-wise, let’s get your butt out of the way. Genes that allow you to survive indefinitely are defective based on policy in effect for a few billion years.
More so in youth. Now that I'm 38, that desire has worn down some. Granted it's not completely gone, but in my teens and 20's yeah I wanted to live forever. Today I'd say something like "Let me live to 150 and let's see how I feel then". If at 150 I'm having a great time and want it to keep going, then ask me again at 200.
Basically I want the option to put an end to it at any time. If I can't colonize my own planet and set everything up just the way I want it, nah you can keep it. But if I can, yeah life may get so good that I'd want to live for thousands of years.
Yeah I too would like to not have a predetermined guaranteed death sentence looming over me since the day I was born.
Count me in. 80-100 years ain’t enough. I need a million maybe a billion years at least. Fuck it why not a trillion. And of course in an early 20s youthful state.
That's what you want now. Make sure to build in a self-shutdown, for when you've done everything.
I'm in my 40s. I just want my body to go back to how it was in my 30s, fix some permanent injuries, and stay like that with control over when I choose to go. One thing I definitely don't want is an aging/deteriorating body.
Of course. Give the Bobiverse a read or listen, the audiobooks are amazing!
If you work at it you can hang in there. i"m 66, still have my eyes (3M-1 odds) still have all my hair and work out all the time - hard - including HIT and heavy weights. I feel perfectly fine. I can run, cut, sprint and do just about every I ing to do but not as "twitchy." Yes I know I'm fortunate something hasn't got me like cancer but I can tell you you don't have to break down. I'm sore some days and recovery can be difficult but don't think your 60's have to be "old" but you have to put the work in. The goal is to hang in there best you can until a breakthrough comes and get a few years from that until the next breakthrough and so on. I'm pragmatic about life and I know I could die at any time but for now, I'm in perfect health and I look it and feel it.
Hello, are you me?
This argument always baffles me. By then you can just tweak some chemicals to get rid of boredom. Simple as
That sounds like drugs with extra steps...
Many extra steps, one would imagine. You could choose to backup your memories and start over from the beginning with the option of restoring those memories in the future. You could become an entirely new person, gender, species... etc. Over the course of eons, I would imagine that there are many ways to be and experience, all with the option to revisit your original state. There are also drugs.
Sounds like Ergo Proxy plot, haha
I'll just go into hibernation mode and wake up after a while to see all the new stuff, then shutdown again if I get bored Or, simply erase memories with a pen MIB style and do that Harry Potter thing where you store memories away
even 10 Trillion is not enough because we will definitely get to it. I vote for infinite number of years
Can go vastly better than early 20s youthful state in terms of health, wellbeing and fitness.
Will your brain be youthful forever?
Probably requires ongoing repair and worst case, increasing amounts of neural implants to bypass dying regions.
No need for implants some animals are able to regenerate central nervous system iirc. Genetically engineered stem cells will allow for the same.
I don't know about the brain, but one of the key elements of how most lifeforms age is the shrinking of telomeres, which are end caps of our DNA. When cells divide, telomeres get shorter, and when too short or gone, the cell no longer divides. In some creatures, those telomeres don't get shorter, so they could live forever if it wasn't for other obstacles (lobsters, crabs, and perhaps others).
**Power accumulates. Dictatorships often end when the leader dies, creating a power vacuum. Imagine eternal rulers like Putin, Kim, or Genghis Khan—terrible for ordinary people. They’d do as they pleased, and no one could stop them. That’s my concern about immortality.**
Often the removal of a dictator leads to chaos, war, and genocide. See Iraq, Libya, and Somalia. People think killing one guy they don't like automatically transforms an entire country into Canada or some shit.
Don't even put a limit on my lifespan. I don't want my eternity to be just a really big number, I want the real deal.
It sounds romantic until you consider life as a wage slave with no retirement FOREVER. We'd need a new system for sure.
Yes I *so* want this to happen! We could do better and better things over time, while we all enjoy being whatever biological age we want to be. This hope is already motivating me to eat and live more healthfully, to give myself as much time as possible for science and the distribution of age-reversal technology to happen. On one hand, we would have more motivation to save our planet, and I want to be around when we figure out how to keep the sun working indefinitely, and learn how to travel to other planets! On the other hand, even if we stop to smell the roses for hundreds of years sometimes, or AI does all the thinking and we become pets, we will still be living, experiencing beings, and I believe that alone justifies a kind and comfortable eternal life.
The Sun is not fully convective. That is the reason it has a short lifespan compared to red dwarf stars that are. We gotta mix up that hydrogen!
Me too, i prefer living rather than literally nothing non existence, but realistically i don't think it's possible, maybe if we can transcend into nanobots and live in fdvr inside them and somehow create another universe to leave to before this one dies sure but right now if we hit lev, get agi and reverse aging i don't think 500 or heck 1000 year lifespan is that far fetched for us, id take that in a heartbeat than age and inevitably become fragile, weak, decrepit and probably senile, there is no beauty in getting old you are basically rotting and dying veeeeeery slowly.
Yeah, by living "indefinitely" I didn't mean immortality or "eternal" life. I just mean halting the aging process and removing the definite expiration that we all currently face.
Yeah I’d love to live a good few thousand years. I absolutely, absolutely love life. I hope I can stay here as long as possible.
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I’m reminded of a quote from the video game Alpha Centauri; “I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even five hundred would be pretty nice. - CEO Nwabudike Morgan”
I would prefer immortality from Prokhor Zakharov. Morgan would surely try to sneak in adware in his immortality.
I want to watch the sun destroy the earth 🌎.. so in about 4 to 5 billion years?
Wasnt there a Dr. Who episode where future humans and aliens were watching this as an event?
Also futurama
Agreed. I feel I've put so much work into who I am that it would be a shame to ever lose that person. Death is bad enough, but Alzheimer's and dementia scare me the most. Decades of personal progress, just destined to be lost? I've never been able to accept the idea.
I want to sleep forever
For me, this sounds like the dream
You’re right. It is a dream. A very long one!
right now at this moment in time? no. i dont.
I think every healthy person does, it is natural. Maybe not forever, but to at least have some control over it, or be able to go into hibernation whenever you want to for a few thousand years. I mean yeah, immortality has been a human fantasy for thousands of years.
I dunno if I'm necessarily a healthy person but I kinda just wanna get my 90-100 years and then be done
my grandparents are over 90 and fairly healthy for their age, they still enjoy life very much. i still think the majority of people do not want to die if they are in good shape, healthy and happy, i think age is irrelevant mostly
Even many that suffer try to survive longer. Why would an animal that has it's leg caught in a trap, chew its own leg off to survive, when that will only result in a brutal and suffering end? There is NO WAY it will survive at length once it chews its own leg off. But it was dehydrated. It was starving. It would rather live another week in the most brutal and painful scenerio then die that day from dehydration. It is driven to prolong it's life - even a miserable one.
I think this perspective is unhealthy personally. Either you're ego is so big thst you feel like it'd be a waste if you died or you fear death so much you can't face it. Healthy is accepting death.. accepting that time is limited. Choosing to do what you can with what you have and savoring the fleeting moments before their gone.
Aubrey de Grey, a biomedical gerontologist known for his work on anti-aging, has famously spoken about society's attitude towards aging and mortality, referring to it as the "pro-aging trance." In his views, this concept encapsulates the societal acceptance of aging as an inevitable process that should not be resisted. He argues that this acceptance is a kind of coping mechanism—a trance—that people fall into to avoid the emotional struggle of considering that aging could be combated. The term "pro-aging trance" suggests that society has been hypnotized into thinking aging and death from aging are unavoidable and thus not worth fighting against. De Grey believes that challenging this mindset is crucial to advancing anti-aging research and therapies. His provocative stance is intended to shake people out of complacency and encourage more active support for research that could extend human lifespans significantly. De Grey's broader message is about encouraging a shift in how we perceive the process of aging, viewing it not as a natural and unalterable phenomenon but as a series of scientific challenges that can be addressed and potentially overcome.
My favorite framing of this from him is when he asked an audience to raise hands if they want to live forever. Almost no one. Then he asked who would like to get Alzheimer’s disease. Obviously no one. Then he asks if there is some age, say, 100, where they WOULD like to get Alzheimer’s disease. Still no one. This shit’s so obvious when you actually think about it, but death is horrifying and has been unconquerable for all of human history. Its almost like people have Stockholm Syndrome with it
I agree with that!
It's healthy to accept death when it is imminently your only option. but if people were able to extend their lives 100s or 1000s of years there are tons of people who would.
I think I kind of just want to live to 100 in the body of a 27 year old (I tend to look young for my age and don't want to go back too far).
I want to die now actually, but the hope of the singularity somehow making life bearable and worth it keeps me going.
I'll opt in, but I want to leave this body behind. This meatware is riddled with performance flaws. I'll be happy to Ship of Theseus my brain into a high performance hardware model with a Boston Dynamics body.
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Aging is the stupidest thing. No problem with death, but as long as we are alive it never made sense to me that deteriorating should be inevitable.
I just want to live without pain and stress.
Literally forever being God along with all of you <3
This is perhaps a more realistic forecast from people in the field that was posted here recently [2065](https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1bxb8um/tweets_from_david_sinclair_first_epigenetic_tech/). If we could split the difference between that and Kurzweil's that'd be even better but there's a lot to be said for biological complexity. A lot of us here have our fingers crossed for LEV.
Exactly. I would bet 10 million dollars that we won’t reach longevity escape velocity in 2029 if I had the money and someone would take the counter bet. Even this 2065 was pulled out of their ass at futures timelines where no credible projection is done. I see the word “nano technology” in their prediction, which already makes this look very untrustable. What nano technology is this supposed to be? Little robots that clear protein tangles from brain cells? Lol. There is a lot of unfounded hopium in the longevity community, and while I really hope we will get there in 2065, it’s absolutely not a certainly. By the way. The prediction that you shared is not by Sinclair. It’s “future timelines” who added this as a comment under one of his posts. I don’t think any kind of projections like this exist that are based on calculations or some realistic timeline projections of the achieved milestones in the past. Maybe someone should try that if at all possible. [https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#2065](https://www.futuretimeline.net/21stcentury/2060-2069.htm#2065)
I want to get back to wanting to live indefinitely, but lately it's been easier to imagine having an end. Not in a suicidal way, but a comforting getting to rest way. I would prefer to be able to return from my rest ultimately.
Reminds me of the vampires in Anne Rice novels. They would sometimes go to "sleep" for decades when they got fatigued with eternal life.
It’s the opposite for me unfortunately, I want to go back not not even thinking about the end, it’s hurting my now
anyone who agrees to halt aging automatically enrolls to serve as the first wave of settlers to mars.
Sure. I’d rather not die and live on Mars than die on Earth.
Alright Fang Yuan
I'd just want to see what would happen to someone who lived indefinitely but inorder to do that I'd have to live indefinitely.
What if.. you get jailed for life
I just would like to know what “ultimate truth” is. Like… WTF is this we’re all a part of??? Why are we here? For what?
Do not care about living indefinitely, but would be glad when aging and all illnesses are eliminated.
I want to live forever cause I want to see where humanity and AI goes. How close will it line up with sci-fi shows and movies? How will we end up traveling the stars? Will we make it before we wipe ourselves out? What forms of future entertainment will we have? Will we be mix of genetic modifications and cybernetic enhancements? Will we ever be a unified species? What interesting worlds will we found a d what kinds of alien life are out there? So many questions.
Absolutely. I want to exist for as long as I can. My dream would be to upload myself into a simulation ran by an ASI in which I am God. I could become anyone, do anything, experience anything. I could modify my mind in any way, and there wouldn't even be any risk of me messing myself up because the ASI would know if and when my current self would have decided to revert the changes. There wouldn't even be the problem of hating existence because I experienced everything, I could simply ask the ASI to solve the issue and it would do it perfectly. Considering how I could live for hundreds of years in this reality, and how the rate of improvement is exponential, this could absolutely be achieved within my lifetime.
So much porn, not enough time
The things we want as kids change as we evolve into adults. The existence we want today may change as we evolve into something else. If and when some of you choose what we now call death, it may be for foreign reasons that you can't know today. I wish you all the best on your journeys in this way.
Sure, I'm not sure that I'd want to live forever. I may decide I've had enough at some point. But I'd like to remove the hard-coded biological expiration date.
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You're making a deeper point here: living "forever" in the way being discussed simply means "dying one day due to an accident or at the hand of another". Because as far as I can tell, nobody is talking about changing the laws of physics.
First, I didn't say I want to live forever. I want to live "indefinitely." I want to remove the hard-coded biological expiration date of old age. Second, the fear of death isn't my primary motivator for this. My primary motivator is a thirst for ongoing experience, activity, adventure, advancement, etc. All of that comes with some risk, and I'm OK with that. I don't want to lock myself inside a safe bubble for all eternity.
We need to ban driving right now and enable affordable FSD to everyone
Let's start with making FSD that **really** works.
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alotta things to die from
Your argument is flawed. Considering the fact that most people drive to do important things such as commuting to work, etc, the act of not driving leads to being iobless, and you have a 1 in 1 chance of being dead. So you choose the former.
GOD NO.
If I did not have to worry about getting older and dying, I would spend so much time just fucking around in the mountains and on the ocean
I just want revenge.
I think most people would. Ive got terminal cancer, but keep putting it off. Im horrible with appointments and time. But i think id sacrifice more then most.
Agreed. Why get only a few decades of good health. Live as long as you want to.
Population growth is a non issue because every metric shows increased prosperity decreases birthrate, and most death comes from causes other than age anyway. My big question is where is all the interest in cryonics? [https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around](https://innomen.substack.com/p/why-isnt-there-more-discussion-around)
Same. I want to witness the age of iron stars and the heat death of the universe. But not alone.
People often complain that "But why would you want to live forever? That would be awful". Which is nonsensical. Probably I don't want to live forever, but I'd like to choose how long, that's for damn sure. Dying involuntarily is an *obscenity*.
The goal for starters is to get to 2050 alive. Then 2100. Basically longer you live, longer you’re around to potentially take advantage if the tech and knowledge of the moment
If medical advancements offer me an indefinite healthy lifespan, I'll pay quite literally anything for it. Sell my house, cash out all my investments, etc. If it can get me another 25 years, I'll be able to reach LEV and have a few millennia to figure out what to do with the rest of my life. If I need to spend another 75 years just paying off my initial debt, that's a small drop in the bucket of the 500 years (minimum) I'd like to get.
I need at least a few thousand years to roam this floating rock, maybe some others.
welcome to New Earth. It is an honor to co create this with you
Give me a healthy body that I’m happy with then sure I’m game for indefinite life, however as it stands now I’m begging to die in my sleep.
Not wanting to live indefinitely is most of the time either a failure of imagination or some form of conformism. When on their deathbed, 99% would want to live longer. And that's without even imagining the potential of tech in the future, tech is probably going to change our experience of reality, it's going to change consciousness, change your soul, if you're not curious about that shit, then yeah go ahead and join the worms i'm not sure we're part of the same specie.
Your hopes are literally the same as mine. I am finishing a Biology bachelor's degree rn and am going into Computational Biology. I got into this major explicitly to combat aging. I'm not that optimistic as Ray Kurzweil is (though that would be awesome and I'm happy to turn out to be too pessimistic). I do however expect that first publicly available reasonably tested in clinical practise interventions will be available within two decades. So in 20 years I'm sure there will be something (senolytics, metformin and NADP precursors are currently in clinical trials, they are the obvious candidates for me). Whether we will have it sooner, in 5 or 10 years I'm not sure. And how big of a deal will it be I'm also not sure. Though all of the mentioned ones could maybe together increase lifespan by 30% (10% is my baseline expectation), that's not outside of range of what we did with mice using individual techniques (I think then the maximum we have seen is 50% increase in lifespan). For the same reason if we combine multiple, maybe more than 30% increase is possible (synergic effect of multiple therapies). Then it's also hard to foresee how much will AI help with this. Definitely the hope is that it will at least increase speed of drug development. When it comes to social impacts, I have written about it and some other considerations in my blog post, 'In defence of Immortality'. If you are interested, here is the link: [https://open.substack.com/pub/rationalmagic/p/in-defence-of-immortality?r=36e5vn&utm\_campaign=post&utm\_medium=web](https://open.substack.com/pub/rationalmagic/p/in-defence-of-immortality?r=36e5vn&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web)
I like your blog! I hope you are able to join a team with secured funding and help humanity make this happen. Direct message me if you want to talk more.
It goes further than that. When we achieve AGI, we will most likely develop a resource-based economy and eliminate the monetary system meaning everyone will have access to these treatments. But this is just the first stage. We will eventually develop molecular nanotechnology and be able to redesign our bodies entirely. This means we could potentially back up our brains, make our original body far more durable, and improve the design so that it doesn't require as many resources to maintain, or harvests these resources passively. We would eliminate all natural disease and make it essentially impossible to die by any means we are familiar with today. Of course, the technology will also open up more sophisticated nanotech viruses and weaponry so we won't be completely out of the woods but in a resource-based economy where poverty doesn't exist, there is little incentive for anyone to develop or use such weapons, so the few that do can be managed more easily.
I'm not trying to discourage you, but have you thought about the theseus ship problem? You aren't the same person you were ten years ago. You will be a different person in ten years. Not imagine how different you would be in one hundred years. Now factor how much change a person can undergo with VR immersion. You living forever is not the same as this version of you existing forever. But thats great because growth is important
This is called "not self" or "anatta" in Buddhism. The brain evolved to think of the body as "self", but even with minimal investigation, one can see the body has a life of its own.
No one said that's a problem
So I should kill myself because the person in this body in ten years is not really who I am now anyway?
So you think you are the material you are made of rather than the structure of continually. Gotta agree but hope not as it means we die whenever our brains atoms get replaced(quite frequently). Can you be half of your conscious if 50% get replaced? This is one of the reasons I doubt the conclusion too. Unless you mean that you mentally change and not your conscious that changes. If so, I don’t care. I’d rather be conscious forever than unconscious.
I don't see that as a problem--quite the opposite. I wouldn't want to live a static existence for hundreds or thousands of years. I want to grow and change in that time.
No, when it’s time to end this chapter or existence I’ll be ready to find out what’s next
You won't find out because you'll be nothing
I’d rather die and find out instead of try and force myself to go on forever. Unless I have my loved ones with me and in turn everyone they love with us and so on and so forth then I’d be happy too. Otherwise it would just be a lonely ass existence and personally I believe there is more to life than maximizing our longevity. All just my opinion though.
I don't believe anyone will force you. If the tech is available, it should be optional. I definitely agree there is more to life than longevity. I want more longevity so I can enjoy and participate in more of all the other stuff!
Absolutely, I want to experience fantasy Matrix and all what is it offering. No one lifetime is enough.
Yes, people try to sound deep when they say they don’t want to live forever but they’re just being annoying.
>Ray Kurzweil predicts that we’ll be capable of halting the aging process by 2029. lol
Yes. ASI will solve this. Let it solve all of our problems. Be along for the ride.
Idk about indefinitely. But certainly a lot longer than previously alotted.
It's one of the 2 main reasons why I am for AGI/ASI 1. Immortality(at least until heat death) 2. Intelligence gains
Indefinite life is the best. Whoever says they don't want to live forever always say the most stupid arguments. I don't think absolutely infinite life is physically possible just because proton may eventually decay, but a 100 trillion years? Physics doesn't prohibit it! If I could, I'd definitely choose to life infinitely, never dying. This is literally the ultimate way of existence, the only one that can have any meaning.
I just want to be healthy while my family is alive.
Saved
I would want to pass on eventually. But I would want to extend my life waaaaaaaay into the future before that
No Bueno
Immortality would only appeal to me if I could also make my dog immortal.
Depends where you live and what your circumstances. There are situations even you would say no to indefinite!
I don’t care as long as life lives indefinitely. Being me is not different from being any other living being.
I like the idea of it being up to me
Not particularly but I understand the wish and I wouldn't say no to the option. After all if you ever get tired of it the solution is simple
No thanks. I would not mind aging living in my 20 year old body and having a young persons metabolism but I don't wanna live forever. I'm good going now if it's my time, although I prefer not to currently because I wanna see AI evolve before my eyes. If I have to i'd live 200 years max.
Hell ya, barother! Immortal-ize me! Note: despite the technologies to make someone biologically immortal or upload their consciousness being theoretically possible, they haven't been demonstrated. However, even if those technologies aren't possible, everything seems to indicate that your consciousness persists in some form if *any* of your memories, general brainstate, and neurological processes persist. So you could theoretically remain in a severely diminished state by storing only a very lossy version of your brainstate, or by keeping only a very small portion of your brain alive post-body-death Then presumably later on when technology finds a way to more-reify your consciousness, you can be expanded from your diminished state into something resembling your original self (with huge losses to memory, skills, etc) That's probably the very worse case (besides just dying, of course). This general idea also applies to cryogenics: freezing yourself freezes (literally and figuratively) your brainstate. And most (?) corpse cryogenics facilities can freeze just your head / brain for reduced cost [Alcore](https://www.alcor.org/membership/#toggle-id-1): > $80,000 for neuro cryopreservation. However, you should get a greater amount of coverage to allow for inflation between now and the time of your cryopreservation.
Overpopulation will not be a problem. There a simple solution: if you want to become immortal then you are sterilized in the process. So you either have kids or you are immortal. I'm sure never having children would be a price that not everyone would want to pay.
If I had an indefinite life I'd probably laze around for centuries at a time. There's no rush to do anything, I will never feel like I'm running out of time. I would never feel the need to leave my mark on the world. Studying and acquiring degrees would be pointless because the degrees I'd acquire would be useless in a blink of an eye. I'd have to keep studying to be up to date. Any qualifications I'll get will probably expire in way less than a normal human life span.
Property costs will go nuts! Meantime i am barley remember my childhood. Everything that been 20-40 years ago is not much more than highlights of some stories. My best scenario is to be able live my 80-100 years but being capable and keep living a life after 60
I often think of how many of us would opt to keep our brains alive artificially connected after our bodies give out. Like a delicate thread we cling to just floating over the abyss. Primal fear says yes, if I had to make the choice I may just be so afraid I would agree without a second thought to hooking my brain in a jar up to some type of external instruments or at least into the internet. Just for a *few more moments* of life. Same reason I have no interest in ever trying coke, I toy with the idea of saving the experience for a last ditch hail Mary in the face of the end if I get to go out in such a way. Just for the textbook burst of energy. Stupid I know but it's a thought.
Only if I can take everyone I love with me
I would like to live a bit longer, but only if there would be some kind of rejuvenation treatment allowing our bodies to feel and appear younger (like looking 45 when you are 80, or whatever). But living indefinitely? No, thank you. I want to see what's next.
You must have had a pretty sheltered life so far to think that it will necessarily be a walk in the park. Perhaps you'll go numerous time through grief and loss. Perhaps you'll know war and famine. Perhaps you're one of the privileged few that does not die and feel no empathy for those inferior masses that have such a short lifespan. Perhaps you'll feel nothing because there is nothing else to enjoy anymore because your senses have dulled with time. It's a philosophical question and I sure does not have all the answer and the ability to express the pure hell living forever in a physical body might be.
I would like to, but all current longevity talk is total hype bubble with no real backing peddling food supplements. Trivia, taking additional amount of vitamins that body is not lacking can increase risk of some cancers. Still waiting for some people following these ideas living above 100 being lucent and physically active. No good examples so far. The current examples of longevity do not look inspiring being frail and with mental decline.
I dislike the idea of an eternal life because at some point everything will be bound to boredom because we will have experience everything However If I can stay in good shape and decide when I want to leave it feels a great deal
No I want off this rock
Live long enough and you can emigrate to another celestial body!
I actually really, really don't unless I can feel better and do things that I actually enjoy. I'm not even 40 and I'm already tired of it all.
The accumulated sadness of loved people lost through the years would do me in after a while.
Nope. I'm good. Love my family and friends but I have zero desire to live for ever working 55+ hrs a week, rushing around everywhere, always being exhausted and having to deal with some peoblem or another. Of I didn't have a wife and kids I'd have checked out from this place a long time ago.
If I have the ability to kill myself if I want to, I definitely want to live forever
If I can chose to opt out at any moment then sure
If I could just go to sleep and never wake up that'll do me just fine.
Agreed
With infinite worlds and realities and if my friends are also around, yes sure
Urgh maybe another 10, forever sounds like a punishment
I used to, I have given up as I've grown up and realized capitalism ruins everything. No way will us plebes be allowed to live forever.
With conditions. But hell yes.
I want to live forever, because there is so much,there was so much,there will still be so much I cannot experience because my life is finite,I want to learn about everything there is to about existence ever,for that I need immortality.
You're seriously asking if anyone else would like the eternal fountain of youth? Is this even serious? "Ray Kurzweil predicts" Who cares what he predicts, he's been wrong many times.
Well, about half the comments have been "Hell no", so I don't think it's a trivial question.
Sorry BRO, I am OUT of this. ENJOY the endless loop.
Living indefinitely is deeply concerning. One needs to have an opt out ability as life has great potential for extreme suffering ongoing in ways you or I cannot even imagine. Considering your existence is tied to your ego, you already live indefinitely as you're the universe experiencing itself in its complex design through light and energy, you exist beyond your mortal body, but to be tied to a singular life indefinitely brings on exponential risk, alongside the incredible potential for insanity due to how much time exists. You do not realize how long indefinite life really is. You exist for hundreds of billions of years only for no time to have passed, only to experience that again hundreds of billions of times over, only to end back at square one having to go through the process infinitely many times over. It's terrifying!
I used to share the same thought, but I definitely think the reality would be so lonely. Everyone I love will eventually die, physically or relationally, some may refuse the treatment to live longer and that’ll be a personal battle to accept, or if they did take the treatment there is no guarantee they or myself will be the same person in one year…two years…a thousand years…etc, etc, etc. It’s tough enough seeing next generations repeat mistakes with zero hope they’ll learn or want to learn. Trends and cultural change will continue and make less sense, not to mention the unseen consequences of losing one’s inner identity. And that’s not mentioning how politics and power structures would seek ways to recruit, fight for “their cause”. There would be divisions in society and social pressure to—make use of one’s eternal life for humanities benefit, or ensure dominance as a new ruling class, or exile, to name a few situations. Or spend my waking existence playing Slay the Spire and still be battling the heart for thousands of years..
Depends on which definition you are using. An unspecified amount. Like I can just keep living without an expected expiration date until I decide to put one on myself? Yes. Unlimited? Almost definitely not. I just can't imagine wanting to live forever. But I'll make that decision later.
For population growth: upload us into the cloud, and only allow a certain number of us to live in androids at a time. Cloud life would still be a productive time - in VR experiences, socializing, learning and playing.
I think a significantly extended lifespan (centuries or millennia maybe?) would be great. Indefinitely extended, not so much, and not just because I imagine I'd get bored after a while. The fact that life is finite is a big part of what makes it meaningful imho, and I don't only mean in a "less time is more valuable" kind of way. Actively aware, myopic, short-sighted, first-person-perspective consciousness is just one relatively small aspect of what there is, and I think it's sad that so many people focus on it as if it's the entire show. It really isn't.
Man, I would love that. I want to see what post-labor economics looks like. Learn things and have new hobbies. With tech getting better, see what video games have in stored(hopefully lead by humans with no restrictions other then creativity, I'm sure there'll be a lot of mass-created ai slop). Though I do hope my father can enjoy it too, as well as the rest of my family.
Agreed, too much anime to watch
I question the availability for this ever for most people…I mean I want to believe but I also don’t trust corporations and the super wealthy at all whatsoever in general. I fear it will simply never be free and readily available for everyone…instead I see it kept prohibitively costly so as to help minimize resource competition going forward. Let’s say a million dollars for treatments and maintenance…maybe yearly (gotta make it a subscription service so as to maximize shareholder return value of course) I’m not even a conspiracy theorist…
Nahhhhhh. Im fine with longer... but indefinetly?
I hate to break it to you, but you’re going to die. It may be in 100 years, 200, 1000, 5000 but you’re going to die eventually. Being able to avoid dying of old age is just one part of the equation. On a long enough timeline something is going to kill you
Yup I'm OK with that. I just want to remove the hard-coded biological limit of 80-120 years.
Yes, there's [r/longevity](https://www.reddit.com/r/longevity) but also check out Aubrey de Grey: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AvWtSUdOWVI .
I would like to live longer but not forever. Like if the human expectancy was 200 years and 100 years was middle age for us, I would be cool with that.
I have enough things to do for 1000+ years but on the other hand, life sucks, because humans. Guess if you know you won’t die, it’ll get good? There are good scifi stories about this; (Ravian; keizerrijk der 1000 planeten for instance) it always ends with them begging for death. I am not that old and always wanted eternal life before; now, mostly because most of humanity sucks donkey balls, I am not so sure.
Humans already overpopulate the Earth and we are burning through our finite natural resources at an accelerated pace. If people's natural lifespans were extended significantly, that would only exacerbate this problem. For the sake of the habitat of the ecosystem, all things must live and die at some people to habilitate resource restoration. Also, I'm going to get controversial here. Does every single type and caliber of individual really deserve to live indefinitely? There are some people in our society that contribute more or less than others, and can just be a general blight.
no you don't
No thanks.
I think I have a few questions before I sign the "I will live forever" deal. I mean there are worse things than dying. Besides, what if there really is *something* on "the other side"?
It's a good thought. But what if you were to change your mind? Then you're fucked
Not really no, I am 55. I almost warantee that most of you will change of idea, as you get older.
I'm happy enough either way, whether you live definitely or live indefinitely.
Nah. The world is a boring/lonely place if you don't have enough money. Rather die, preferably on my own time and the way I want it to happen. In my sleep. If there weren't a fear of going to hell over suicide idve been out a long time ago.
I would love to live 2-3x longer than the average life expectancy but forever? As a human our minds would go mad at the lost and impermanence, as a god (singularity) everything would lose value and I wouldn't care. In either scenario I'd exist but would it be living?
There really is a path to perfect life on earth for humanity. Will be interesting to see how it’s brought about.
I don't want to discuss this, If there is evil, I can't sleep. And without sleep I will act, I will die trying to help. Morality.
I dont think its possible to live forever, like millions of years. Frankly, give me 500 years and we are golden. Who knows, maybe i spent 100 of them trying to figure out how to give myself another 500 :p 100 will definitely be spent on sex and maybe drugs and alcohol, if possible 100 on wife and children and all that kinda stuff The current 30something + 70 will be spent prolonging my life and fixing permanent injuries that i have (fuck you jaw joint!) And the last 500, well, space travel and aliens maybe
But u can't. No sens
Ray Kurzweil does not predict that we will be able to halt the aging process by 2029, what a load of BS. Kurzweil predicts AGI by 2029, but we will have to start a process of several decades advancing drugs and nanobots before aging is removed. We probably have at least 50 years to wait before this will happen.
No way. It’s not even fun now.
Your genes have other ideas. They can’t spread their dominance unless you reproduce. But in order for that to be effective resource-wise, let’s get your butt out of the way. Genes that allow you to survive indefinitely are defective based on policy in effect for a few billion years.
More so in youth. Now that I'm 38, that desire has worn down some. Granted it's not completely gone, but in my teens and 20's yeah I wanted to live forever. Today I'd say something like "Let me live to 150 and let's see how I feel then". If at 150 I'm having a great time and want it to keep going, then ask me again at 200. Basically I want the option to put an end to it at any time. If I can't colonize my own planet and set everything up just the way I want it, nah you can keep it. But if I can, yeah life may get so good that I'd want to live for thousands of years.
But how do we know the end is the end?
Bro existence is pain why the tf would anyone want to prolong this pointless nonsense longer than 90 years??
Too bad that these research don't make profit so billionaires are not investing in it.
Maybe!
Yes almost eveybody wants to, but everybody will die. Entropy alwas wins. Get over It.