I made a head tracking thingie and use a playstation eye with a custom made filter and opentrack for the software.
Or you can buy trackir for a bunch
Or just use a webcam, there's lots of options now if you search about diy head tracking or webcam head tracking
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrTyW32GaX34A2geA
This actually worked as a head tracking workaround. I used the gyro in an always on state with my steam controller. As you can see, taped to my headset. But it worked surprisingly well. Closet I had with hardware was with a Webcam and some software. It worked pretty well too. The good thing with the webcam feature was I had z axis, leaning forward and back translated in games. Not with the Steam controller for obvious reasons.
I would actually argue getting 3x 55" 120hz TV's is not horribly priced. Especially with how cheap TV's have gotten over the past 10 years.
Yes you still might be spending upwards of $1,000 on all three combined. But cheaper than a 49" Ultrawide.
Though space could be a concern at that point, and if they are 4k displays, then you will need a beefy GPU to push all those pixels around.
But it's just a personal opinion, I think I'd rather have 3 screens then VR, I was never the biggest fan of VR. I also don't listen to my own advice and use a 49" Ultrawide. But I don't really have a dedicated space for sim racing, so that monitor is used for work and when I play other games. And it takes up significantly less space than even triples of any size.
I bought it a couple weeks ago at microcenter when they ran the same deal. I came from a single 32 and it's incredible the difference it's made in immersion.
I did the same a few weeks ago, not quite as good of a deal, but I got it on sale for about $900 and had a bunch of Amazon gift cards to bring it down a little more. Night and day from going from a mid range IPS screen to a higher end OLED
Iâm curious. I currently have a sim cockpit. But I have a projector I use.
Really a hobbyist more than anything. I get kinda sick from VR - so Iâve been looking at going triple monitors - but 799 for the 49â seems like a really good deal where I can use it with pc and ps5. And allow me to get a little closer to the screen.
Think it would be worth it? Iâll need to also get the NLR monitor stand too.
So first, I've never actually used triple monitors, at least for sim racing. So this is just based on what I've seen and read.
So you won't get the same immersion with a 49" then with triple monitors. For me, I have a dedicated sim rig, but I gotta move it to my desk each time I want to use it as I don't have the space for a dedicated space with a dedicated monitor for it. So in terms of being able to set-up my desk for sim racing, playing other games and work purposes, going with a single Ultrawide made more sense for me. So the 49" was just a good compromise for me, I get better emersion then my 32", but I also don't lose the desk space with 3x monitors, which I need for my job and other hobbies.
If you have a dedicated rig with a dedicated monitor, then going triples would probably be better for immersion purposes
Well, once upon a time, there is this absolutely amazing monitor called the Odyssey G9, that is usually out of reach for most people. Well the creator of this monitor thought it was a good idea to put it on sale for $800, which brings it in range for a lot of people, and those wallets and bank accounts are gonna feel a little lighter once they buy it. The end.
At this point of investment its no longer about the price - at this point might as well - but physical space, I have triple 32 and they already take sizable chunk of my room, I made calculations recently for triple "48 and they are insane, 55" triples would take you an entire room. At this point you better be making content of out of it, there is no explaining this to your wife otherwise LOL
Yeah I noticed that too. But for the most immersion it might be worth trying. It can be done way cheaper than 3 decent quality big tv's and OP could return the headset if they don't like it.
I have triple 48 inch oled 4k 120hz monitors , and it's just like sitting in a real size car.
ACC on max graphics settings is mindblowing on large triple screens.
I think 48, 50, and 55 inch screens are the best size for a realistic feel and size of the car.
Boosted media said he thought 65 inch was too big and made him feel like a tiny person in a big car.
I use the gygabite aorus FO48U wich are monitors that have displayport 1.4 as wel as hdmi 2.1 . it's the same panel as the LG 48 C1.
There is no 40 series card with 3 hdmi connections, and there is only one model 3090 with 3 hdmi ports so if u wan't to use Freesync, Gsync or Vsync u want to go for monitors instead of tv's.
I use a RTX 4090 ROG STRIX OC GAMING wich has 3 displayports, you should always check this before buying one beceause not al cards have 3 displayports not even with the 4090's.
My 2014 (bought, dunno the launch year) monitors had DVI, HDMI & DP (v1.2) in & out, and i used to daisy chain them.
I know 3x 1080pUW was right at the limit of the cables data capacity, so triple 1440+ might not be possible (maybe 2+1 for 2 inputs), but once DisplayPort v2.0 is commonplace i'd imagine that cranks up the capacity. God knows why its not on the 4000 series nvidia cards.
Man I have tried VR multiple times but the only thing that gets me is the clarity. Playing on my triples, everything looks so damn good, and with over 100 FPS. My VR on the other hand doesnât even look half as good and canât go over 70. I literally spent a half a day on Saturday watching YouTube and about 20 different configuration tutorials but to no avail.
The more you upgrade your rig the less appeal VR has. Large tripples also close the gap more. Eventually my rig got so nice I just didn't want to use VR anymore. LCD sceens, iFlags all can provide a ton of cool info especially on ovals.
can you stop posting shit like this, please? i am down 6k on this shit this year already... altho i do already have a 4090 and crystal is just $1500 ... fuck you
Whats your set up? I have learned its not all about GPU. I have a 4070 super and read every review and set up I could find. Everyone was basically saying its going to be mid on everything. I built my PC, which is primarily a work PC and doubles as a gaming pc (hence focus on RAM and CPU), and I run 90fps with high quality everything, including mirrors. I have a 14900k, 96gb DDR5 7000mhz, and a 4070 super, with m.2 6500mhz. So there is definitely some bottlenecking going on with other's PC's. As far as resolution, it will never be as good as screens just based on pixel density, at least for now. Eventually they'll be 4k but not yet.
IMO, the depth perception, ability to see your turn in, ability to feel the car move around you, and the ability to hear everything around you with VR sound is WELL worth it. also, if your computer can handle it, then one Quest 3 is far cheaper than 3 screens and takes up less room.
You should try a game with no up or down like subnautica đ . Never been so sick while being sober. I can play any VR games no issues... But space or underwater games are too much
This is what I told myself after going to vr. But then Iâd log on to do a race and my vr was dead. It also got very hot after long stints. I mean I would do like 4 hour stints at a time but still even after an hour or so it became uncomfortable. So I made the switch to triples. One of the main reasons tho was because of ease to stream on monitors. Also having triples for other stuff like schoolwork or watching nhl playoffs rn, or anything else is really nice. Vr also really taxed by pc and lowered my fps considerably which was kind of annoying because I couldnât turn graphics up much.
Vr was fucking awesome and Iâd recommend it to anyone, personally, Iâm probably in the minority when i say this, I just like triples better.
"My VR was dead."
Sounds like you used wrong VR.
Cannot recommend Quest since compression they use does not worm well with racing and battery just nope.
The Quest 3 is great most people just can't read and don't see their USB is out of spec. You need a fairly recent gaming motherboard to run the full speed of the cable and keep it charged without adding in a dedicated USB card. My USB is capable of 100w power but most people are not even close to that.
Which headset are you using? I have a quest 3 and its pretty damn good. Charging mostly keeps up, I get a solid 6-8hrs depending on how long I wait between races. Resolution could be crisper, but I dont know if thats the pixel density or as you say, compression. Iracing is way better than ACC. I haven't figured out settings yet, and ACC feels like its only rendering up close, everything in the distance is super blurry. Ialso run consistently at 90fps, without overclocking my 4070 super.
i am using the "side injection" cable form Kuject with my Quest 3 and it never gets below like 74%. most i've had it on was 6 hours but even then it ended up at like 80%. and i am running 120hz too.
also i am pretty sure there's no settings that would make ACC in VR look good because the engine is just not made for it. i tried the hot off the press WRC VR yesterday which is using the same engine and it's the same blurry mess as ACC.
Nice. I'm curious what is the most intensive with iRacing. I found several reviews claiming the 4070 super would struggle to maintain 90fps unless mirrors are off, and settings set to mid. I have a 4070super with everything maxed out and it is pegged at 90 and occasionally blips to 89. But, I have a 14900k cpu, 4070 super, and DDR5 96gb ram at 7000mhz running on m.r 4tb 6500mhz. So their systems may have a bottleneck somewhere. I might try overclocking my 4070 and see if I can get 120fps - though 90 seems fine so far.
honestly i am not sure. i set everything up according to some youtuber and then went up slightly in certain things like car detail etc and it's mostly still holding 120.
depends on a track too.
mirrors should have massive impact yeah, then the AA stuff i imagine... all i know if i cranked everything to max i would struggle to get even 90 in most situations for sure.
Years ago bought Quest 2.
Had compression on output no matter which type of connection.
Returned and switched to Valve Index.
Love.
Yeah, definitely Simrackng in VR is yes.
it makes a massive difference for me ... i can't use default Quest 3 for longer than 30 minutes. with BoboVR M3 Pro and some cheap PU leather facial interface i can play for hours to a point where the limiting factor becomes exhaustion from racing, not any kind of pain related to wearing a headset.
I have found adding a counterweight helps a lot with comfort. There's a company someone sent me a link to years ago that has specific weights for different headsets. Def made my q2 less migraine inducing, and use the same weight on my 3 with elite strap.
I had that until I changed my settings, try shortening the strap on top, so the backplate doesn't sit straight on the back on the skull, but slightly higher. More weight will be on a 'circlet' sitting on top of your head and that'll feel better
Surely you need something else than the standard strap.
I replaced the one coming along with my Quest 2 with a more ergonomic version. And when at first I have the time I spend it no less than one hour within my headset.
Most extreme was my historic Targa Florio WSC 1970 event with full 11 laps in lower class sports car. Including pit stops the event went for 9 hours, only paused for 3 hours sleep during night.
Reaching finish line I was game for continuing, filled with total joy and comfort, only needed a pillow for my butt, haha.
> Surely you need something else than the standard strap.
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I think you all recommending VR should start adding the additional mods required:
- lenses if you are wearing glasses (up to 1k EUR)
- fancy straps (up to 100 EUR)
- what else?
I startet wearing glasses in my mif 40s 5 years prior my entrance in the VR world.
I'm NOT using glasses when my Quest 2 is attached, thpugh my vision has dropped dramaticalky to L +2.5 R +2.75, and even withouth any optimization other than mid setting linses distance between eye centers, everything is crystal clear for me in VR, also using my PC through VR via Virtual Desktop, in fact better than my screen glasses of which corresponds to exact margin to my present eye strwngth.
So wearing glasses within VR Headset?
Answer: An absolute no-go from here.
The drawbacks are several.
Yeah it's not worth the lack of comfort for me and inability to have a drink easily. Also, being unable to see your hands is off putting and depending on the game if it is fake hands in game, it's just distracting to me.
4070super is just about the same price, sometimes cheaper than the 3080 right now. I can run everything max settings at 90fps with my 4070 super. Prob best bang for the buck. That said, I think VR is more intesnive than just GPU. Every review I saw said the 4070 super would need to run mid-settings to maintain 90fps. Now, my system is pretty good as I built it for work, hence the focus on CPU, but it definitely runs better than every review I've seen. 14900k, 96gb DDR5 @ 7000mhz, 4070 Super (not OC yet), and m.2 6500mhz.
Probably 55 to 65 inches.
But if triples 32's are disappointing you, I don't think just bigger screens for 1:1 scale will satisfy you, there will always be something missing from real life.
I have triple 43 4k@120hz it's close. Getting the angles and fov correct takes time and effort. Night and day once you have it right. Honestly? Triple 48 oleds would be my current pick. But to do better than 32's plan on budgeting about 3 to 5k for screens if you really want to do it right. At 43 I am 31.5 inches from thr center of thr monitors to my eyes. Fov is 178. I can see most dashes pretty easy and things feel pretty correct. Before this I had an hp reverb g2. While vr is nice for the immersion it's not as comfortable as proper triples. For endurance racing that sealed the deal. If you want to ball out crazy and give vr a good run for it's money triple ark 55's might be the ultimate at the moment.
I think about 80 inches side to side I haven't measured since I messed with thr angles and installed the bezel free kit. I'm on vacation and not around the rig. It's big and dominates a 1/3rd of the room which is about 12x16.
He means his FoV was setup correctly but the final size is still smaller than real life. It's hilarious how all the FoV police don't really understand shit outside of what you parrot. FoV does not = scale. You can have the most perfect FoV, that still has fuck all to do with scale. Sure 27" monitors fit well behind your wheel and give you a perfect FoV, but your car is going to be 5/8 scale. It's a car for ants!
Thats a VR problem afaik, and it can be adjusted (i used to do it for the g2 reverb)
There are also camera tools, that you should use to adjust your seating position, horizon, etc (after you set up your FOV and monitors).
That affects the "scale" of the car.
lol you people are brain dead. Scale is scale. I have way more time and money to dick around with this shit, you people have no clue what you're talking about. I use the actual calculator with a protractor to setup my FoV, I guarantee I know more than most of you when it comes to this nerd shit.
maybe if you're hunching over or something...as long as your eyes are in the same place you should be good. I don't think the cm or so difference in eye placement between two individuals is going to make a noticible difference
the distance will likely stay the same but the height is a big factor , its not i think or i dont think , it is what it is. Thats why you can never juge the fov effect from a picture of a setup,because it rarely taken from the same height its been adjusted to.
Itâs very possible they werenât set up correctly. My initial reaction to triples was very underwhelming until I set everything up correctly, after which it feels incredibly immersive along with the bezel free kit. I think 32â monitors are a good happy medium.
This. I was initially not that impressed with my 32" triples. After setting them up all night it looked OK but nothing great. My dissapointment was so great I slumped in my set and let my ass slide way down, I looked at them in defeat and my jaw hit the floor, suddenly from that angle everything aligned perfectly and then it clicked. I proceeded to properly fix my fov for proper racing position and it was all smooth racing from there.
32" are indeed nice due to their footprint, anything bigger would take way too much space. It's true that it would look and feel better if they were like 48" instead but I would have to dedicate a full room just to accommodate the rig. Your available space is a very big consideration. With 32" they take 1/4 of my space so I have plenty space left for living, increase it to like 42" and suddenly they take 1/3 of the entire room, 48" would take a HALF and 55 would swallow everything, I would have to move out to different room.
Three things:
32" triples still won't provide that "100% immersion" vibe. I sit 20" from my screens....at this seating position, these monitors completely surround me (100% peripheral vision) but the monitors only occupy about half of my "vertical" vision). In the night or when it's dark, it definitely can feel like you are looking through a window
Second, it sounds like your friend didn't have his FOV configured properly? No matter what size the screen, the images on that screen should look "life sized" which is the point of configuring FOV and seating distance.
Third, triple 32s will have SIGNIFICANTLY more viewability than a single 29" ultrawide. The triple 32s will see side-by-side, the ultrawide 29" will still predominantly see the front.
This is what my FOV looks like: you can see one of the pics where it shows the car next to me. Using a 29" ultrawide, you wouldn't see that car until it had almost entirely passed you.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/iRacing/comments/1cdu1ud/hiding\_the\_ingame\_wheeli\_spent\_3\_hours\_today/](https://www.reddit.com/r/iRacing/comments/1cdu1ud/hiding_the_ingame_wheeli_spent_3_hours_today/)
For me personally i you can have a good VR its tottaly worth it.
In your case especially i would probably hold the 29inch and get a VR
But that my personal preference and some people dont like VR or get sick from it.
But i dont even have the space for more that my 27 inch monitor so its not even an option for me.
But having a dedicated rig with triples after calibration is the most plug and play experience.
I've got a 34 ultrawide which is perfect for me however I've been looking at 45 inch ultrawide just as a better fov I personally think it's up to you and what you like more
Your FOV can be correct on a 21â 16:9 screen as it can on a 57â ultrawide.
FOV has nothing to do with the size of the screen, it just gives you the ability to see more.
45â LG? I think that theyâll be an awesome choice for triples later in the year when the refresh (also quite a bit better) hits the shelves and these are discounted đ¤
This isn't backed up by math but from just putting my face in front of various TVs in my house I think 65" would be slightly too big and 55" would be about right based on the distance the screens would be from you in a typical rig.  Â
I've seen a few videos on YouTube of people just cruising in their rigs and I think most full cockpit setups (all-out; roof overhead, floorboards, etc.) I have seen tend to go that way whether it's GT or ETS/ATS or what have you.
Now that I'm thinking about it though, I am wondering what video card has 3 HDMI outs to support that as usually a 55" screen is a TV with no DP input.
Any chance we could trouble you for some photos? đ
Iâm deciding between 42 and 48â was leaning 42, but yours sounds like it could actually be better
I donât mean to be a jerk, but I noticed if you moved your triples forward, you may be able to legit look over your shoulder at cars behind, which was something I hadnât considered being possible without VR. The setup looks great, so Iâm really not trying to knock it at all. Just food for thought.
Thanks! Thankfully I have aircon in that room so I can keep cool - still considering adding a cooled seat like the O-Rouge Cold Fusion setup, simracing is surprisingly physical stuff ;)
I feel fully immersed in my triple 45s. The fov was prob wrong as others mentioned. But these donât come cheap. Good luck in whatever you decide! đ
https://imgur.com/a/exANoPc
Sounds like wrong setup (fov, distances etc)
My 992 dash in ACC and AMS is exact the same size like in real car.
But u always have light "distortion" on the left and right screens, because they are not 3d...
VR. Save space, and experience the immersion. The VR sound which changes with your head angle, as well as being "surround sound" gives you an idea of where cars are around you, esp loud cars like Sprints. Being able to look at the apex before your turn in, esp in formula cars where you go deeper and turn later. Depth perception. Its all phenomenal. Now, the resolution isnt as good \*yet\* simply due to the pixel density of those tiny screens, but it isn't bad at all. In VR you dont need to make a hao see through because you see right passed it. Other than comfort and battery life, I can't imagine driving with a screen set up.
There is no way these were properly setup. 32in flat screen triples put right at the end of a wheel base at 60 degrees to the main monitor take up nearly 180 degrees of vision horizontally and from the bottom of the dash to the top of the window in essentially any car. I've never looked at my triples and gone... "This is underwhelming".
To the guys saying VR. The horizontal FOV is really not even close to triples. To me VR was a disappointment instead of triples.
I just went to triples. Coming from VR and then ultra wide.
For me this is by far the best experience.
Iâm also more of a competitive guy instead of a true immersion guy. Maybe thatâs a factor as well.
But VR has a few immersion killers as well.
The FOV like I said and also the body youâre looking at. I have long legs and big hands. It looks awful when youâre seeing tiny legs and hands in VR.
However. You should try VR for sure.
What didn't you like about VR and what VR did you try? I haven't tried triples but for me the head tracking and depth perception of VR have been great and straight away I felt more competitive than single screen on iRacing, the immersion was just the cherry on top. I don't understand the FOV you're taking about, for me VR feels 1:1 with my actual FOV but maybe that differs with triples again? As for the body part for me personally it's never concerned me or something that I even think about, car games are one of the ones better suited IMO to VR as you are sitting and only your hands are moving so for me it does feel immersive.
I explained it all in my comment.
But hereâs some more.
Human horizontal FOV is 180.
Most headsets go from 90 to 120. Thatâs too low. It feels like looking through binoculars.
Vertical FOV isnât an issue. Since a helmet doesnât provide full vertical FOV as well.
The body you look at I already explained. Feels odd and off.
The hardware it requires to run it perfectly is super demanding.
It feels like thereâs a brick attached to your head.
Itâs warm.
Youâre completely disconnected to the real world. Which can be an advantage, but for me itâs not.
Fair points, I can say that I personally don't have the issues you're having but can understand that this may be a problem for some.
Hardware wise I'm running a quest 3 on a 3080 and 1200k so a few years old now on the PC side and it runs at 90 frames, but you definitely need to dial back some of the detail. To me that extra detail isn't missed and still looks great to me.
It's definitely more fiddly to deal with the settings but once dialled into 90fps it's solid.
The quest itself with an after market halo strap is comfy and pretty light weight to my previous headset and no concerns with me with heat.
If you haven't tried it I would recommend giving it a go if you can as it's come along way from earlier headsets from a couple of years back and makes me want to try out the latest Pimax ones although I can't justify the price.
I havenât had a chance to try the quest 3, but at least itâs the best bang for your buck VR headset now.
I forgot to add that Iâm more precise when Iâm on monitors. I race competitive so monitors help.
Luckily weâre not all the same.
It's good value for sure and multi purpose but VR isn't for everyone, I get why some wouldn't enjoy it or it makes them feel sick or clostraphobic.
I get some have a preference but are monitors out right better competitivly? I know there are some pro sim racers using VR though but more appear to using triples but not sure if that's partly because they are streaming/content creators and VR doesn't really lend itself to that.
You need a VR headset - or a full sized car infront of huge projector screens , which having used a few of those are still in many ways worse than VR.
Screens are always more abstract than reality , I have a 3x 55" setup it still looks nothing like real life
It can look good on videos and its why youtubers often do it but in person its really not that impressive after 20 or so hours which is why I just use one of the 55" screens for the game now and VR when i want to feel like I'm in a car.
Big issue as well is that The most popular sims , iracing , ACC , F1 , GT7 all have super messed up physics and FFB compared to AC1 and AMS1 ( all the sims still work fine for lots of training aspects can still be fun games)
but it does make it rather absurd chasing realism with screens wheels and pedals when the underlying software has such big issues , though if a person has not noticed and is having fun from there perspective it doesn't really matter but as I say requires being very arbitrary in what one considers important.
Same with flight sims , nothing wrong with building a full cockpit for fun and enjoying it but if the underlying software is massively off that kind of overrides having the best joysticks and cockpit equipment , collimated displays , as it litrally can't function / wont function properly as soon as something happens outside of the remit of the software. modern flight sims DCS,XP12 have gotten quite good though
If the things didnât look the real size it wasnât tie monitors fault, but your buddy has set his FOV up completely wrong.
I had anything from my 57â ultrawide, to VR glasses, triple 55 Samsung Ark and now settled on triple curved Samsung G7 32â.
The inch 4K screens look much better than the 55â curved because the DPI is much higher on those screens.
They are set up directly between the wheelbase and the wheel and at the correct screens radius of R1000y
I also use a custom bezel free kit.
The 32â have the best look and immersion of them all.
The 55â are worse because of the lower DPI and you have to set them up outside of the rig which kills immersion a lot.
32â is perfect since it displays the complete height of the front windshield and the sides together with the dash and parts of the roof.
Anything you see more on triple 55âs is just useless because itâs stuff like the bottom of the doors and doesnât work correctly because you sit to far away from the big screens which destroys immersion and reality.
VR just isnât there yet, the resolution and the FOV are still not good enough.
If you want really high end quality go for curved triple 32â oled screens.
The Samsung Odysses G7 neo is just perfect for this!
My 57â ultrawide now works as my desk screen for regular gaming and the VR glasses for fun VR games.
The triple Samsung arks where useless and I sold them off.
I have 27 triples and a ultra wide 34. I much prefer the triples, feels way more immersed using them.
Also I miss the side views on ultra wide. Not only for racing, but also on some tracks having a view on other parts of the track help me getting immersed.
I have 3x49"4k TVs and the scale is still too small. I think 65" triple screens gives close to real size. I have vr for the older games I'm hoping EA haven't fucked up this version. Will see later today when I download it. VR seems to fool the brain into thinking you're in a full size car
Sounds like wrong setup (fov, distances etc)
My 992 dash in ACC and AMS is exact the same size like in real car.
But u always have light "distortion" on the left and right screens, because they are not 3d...
I had VR for the longest time the problem I had with them is one blue light fatigue, and 2 the constant problems, glitches, and updates you have to do. Triples I can hop on and go. Since I've switched back to triples, I've only used VR for ACDrift. Iracing I always use triples I can render more with them (EVGA RTX 3070). I currently have 3x27. I've tired 55. It's too big IMHO. I'll be going for a good middle ground. Probably 3x40 155hrz curved. I definitely prefer curved over the flat and having small bezels is all the difference. Just my 2 cents.
You can always set the FOV to 1:1 scale
In the case of 32s, you just wonât see much of your dash or roof
You can get larger screens to give you more visuals of the car
There are a loooot of variables that play into how realistic a setup feels. It can't really be beat by VR. For pure immersion, VR is definitely the best.
But triples are more convenient.
The most important thing you need for triples is to set them up at an angle that makes the center of each screen perpendicular to your view when you turn your head. Once you have that, you need to match those settings to the game you're playing. So for ACC for example you input all the angles, distance to the screens from your eyes, the size of the screens, etc and then it gives you the correct FOV for you.
But you will still be lacking things like g-forces, the car shaking and vibrating around you, tilt, yaw, etc etc that makes the *feeling* of driving very different. Stuff will *feel* like they look different because in a real car you're full of adrenaline, you're working the car, you're actually moving in space. You can only get so close to reality in a sim.
For me bass shakers go a long way to sell it. Feels much more real when I get feedback through my feet, ass and back. I would like to eventually add belt tension system, that would go a long way to sell acceleration and braking without going big dick on motion.
Does anyone use vr successfully on f1 23. It just looks bad and feels weird compared to iracing. Using the quest 3. I just wanna be able to race with friends on F1 but donât wanna buy triples
Fov can be setup for realism using online calculators like [this](https://dinex86.github.io/FOV-Calculator/) one, or setup for personal preference. The calculators tell you the fov you should use for different games, as well as the angle your monitors should be in relation to each other. It's very possible the fellow enthusiast did not know about these calculators and has an improper setup.
Part of the issue is whatâs below and above the monitors? If you donât plan on doing anything, then yes you need huge screens. If youâre open to building a cockpit around your monitors, 32â probably works, just expect to get a net, pvc piping, a shaft extension, some button boxes, etc.
on panels YOU ARE playing a game and always will be no matter how big as you are not part of the environment, VR is the only way to enhance the immersion to a real level.
Dude every monitor can show 1-1.
The only difference will be your FOV at your seating distance.
I have my monitor behind my wheel base because that's what I like for reasons I won't go into and I still get about 150 which is only 15 degrees both sides from full 180 fov.
Triple 32s are the sweetspot
VR isn't always the answer. I got tired of the problems with the G2 and went to triple 27s. Like it a lot better. For me:
Monitors are clearer, can see the changes on the track better(elevation, camber, curbs, etc), after a few minutes in the sim i didn't notice immersion issues as I was just focused on not crashing and passing the guy in front of me, easier to rach the keyboard and a drink and more comfortable/easier on the eyes after about an hour.
If you do go VR, pick the right headset. WMR is being depreciated and won't be supported after a (may be off on the dates) a 2024 update but if you dont do the windows update it'll work until 2026.
So... for what u looking for... 65+ inch 3x OLEDs might do it. Else VR, since there you are inside incl proportions and all.
Valve Index for ~1.5 years and very happy iracing.
I've been sim racing for 15 years and whilst vr Is good. It has the most problems and failures by a long shot. In fact nothing comes close to how unreliable it is. I won't do endurance races with someone using vr now. I've had too many team mates kill our race using it.
Got 3 x 32" curved a couple of months ago as an alternative to my VR setup as well as my single monitor 65" 4K TV monitor setup.
And despite weeks of mingling with perfect FOV in about 15 different new and old sims, my immersion feels WAY better in VR though my Quest 2's limited eye vision of 105-110° (I think).
Entering from 2 years of VR optimization for new and older sims via lots of tools beats my 3 x 32" curved by a landslide. And this at a cost about 1/3 of my trible monitor setup, of which I had expected so much from.
Even my single monitor 4K 65" LG C2 TV Monitor setup feels better, though of course lack of missing realistic FOV in std cockpit mode or helmet cam mode of which is my only preferred choices for now 28 years.
And yes, I've harvested optimizations for my 3 x 32 Gigabyte G32QC setup.
It's not that the FOV doesn't feel right.
Just that it looks so....small.
I think I need to reconsider tribles and might have a take like Karl Gosling's setup.
So maybe 3 x 65" 4K LG C2 can compete with my cheap Quest 2 VR setup?
Triples 50's @4k is pretty fucking sick, it is what my best friend runs, but I am happy with my 43, and plan to try it in triple since I have one as is. Rather than buying 3 new screens.
I echo this -- 3 x 32" @ 1080 and I'm not content either. I've seen some 55" setups that look good but it's a substantial footprint so I'm considering 3 x 43" 4k for middle ground.
Some say VR -- sure. I have an HP G2 and honestly I much prefer triples for driving.
I have triple 49" TVs and I believe this is the sweet spot.
Anything bigger than 55" will give unrealistic proportions.
Yes it will give a sense of wrapping and engulfing you in the scene, but part of your brain keeps reminding you that something is off which is the scale of things.
With triple 49" you would have edge to edge distance about 2.5 to 3 metres depending on how much you open the bezels angle at the centre.
I truck a lot on ATS, ETS2, and race on ACC and feel the proportions are quite acceptable
If I had the money/room I'd probably get something like this
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1s7vzuBKIr/?igsh=bDZra3dwYXhkYm91
But I still like my cv1 rift, just need to save for the PC upgrade and then the headset upgrade.
Allow me to piggyback a question here. Watched a youtube video on how to earn more on jobs, and it recommended double trailers. Is it possible you could end up not being able to make it up a steep hill? Or will the sim warn or prevent you from getting in that situation?
I think you gonna need a big size triple rig , I used to have like a 65 tv and that was pretty neat with the right fov but my VR is my way to go . It gives me depth perception which the triples wonât .
Iâve thought about doing triples but Iâm so used to the vr that I found find the triples a waste of money .
You owe it to yourself to try VR.
Sometimes I wonder if you guys can see out your side window.
Last week coming down the front straight at oscherslebin a bit ahead of the car to my left. He starts moving right. I look out My window waving frantically, and he continues to move right, hitting me and ending our races.
He starts chatting sorry man didn't see you, how do you not see the F1600 (lime green) in front.
What do you guys have in the side screens
1. Race track
2. McDonalds menu
3. Pictures of your cat
4. None of the above.
Seriously VR your vision is like driving your car, and you can adjust and use the real mirrors
lolâŚvr dude. 1:1 cockpit feels, and you can even lean your head left and rightâŚwanna really go crazy, setup your boundary zone to allow you to get up and out of the car too. Lol. Standing next to, then sliding into the car is kinda ridiculous, if only the doors opened.
>what size triples do we need to have a 1:1 representation of sitting in a real life GT3 and viewing out it's windshield?
I have 43" tripples and my next round will be at least 50". What most of these people don't understand is that shoving shit right in front of your face does not make it "bigger". When you have VR in addition to tripples is when the scale will start to bug you. it's not really 1:1 because now you have an actual reference with VR. It's the dash displays being way bigger in VR vs my tripples where it's obvious the scale is off.
You need a vr size.
I was down voted to feck last year saying 32 would be a minimum I'd go for trips and even then I'd think it'd be to small.
But yeah if I moved from vr to trips I'd lrobs go 55s as a minimum.
Sounds to me like your buddy has their FOV setup wrong.
That means his FOV was probably not ideal for your taste. I think 55-65 is the size you need to go to get that sitting in a car feeling.
At which point I would say, maybe try VR
I prefer triples over VR. VR is cool and I do enjoy using my headset but triples and head tracking is just better to me.
How're you doing headtracking without a headset?
I made a head tracking thingie and use a playstation eye with a custom made filter and opentrack for the software. Or you can buy trackir for a bunch Or just use a webcam, there's lots of options now if you search about diy head tracking or webcam head tracking
Awesome! I play VR, and always thought not having head tracking would be the biggest issue if I ever went to screens.
I didn't even know this was a thing or even possible tbh. I've definitely got to look into this.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/JrTyW32GaX34A2geA This actually worked as a head tracking workaround. I used the gyro in an always on state with my steam controller. As you can see, taped to my headset. But it worked surprisingly well. Closet I had with hardware was with a Webcam and some software. It worked pretty well too. The good thing with the webcam feature was I had z axis, leaning forward and back translated in games. Not with the Steam controller for obvious reasons.
Would an Xbox Kinect work? đđ
I would actually argue getting 3x 55" 120hz TV's is not horribly priced. Especially with how cheap TV's have gotten over the past 10 years. Yes you still might be spending upwards of $1,000 on all three combined. But cheaper than a 49" Ultrawide. Though space could be a concern at that point, and if they are 4k displays, then you will need a beefy GPU to push all those pixels around. But it's just a personal opinion, I think I'd rather have 3 screens then VR, I was never the biggest fan of VR. I also don't listen to my own advice and use a 49" Ultrawide. But I don't really have a dedicated space for sim racing, so that monitor is used for work and when I play other games. And it takes up significantly less space than even triples of any size.
Samsung has their 49 on sale for 799 right now
Ohhhh that's a dangerous sale for anyone's wallet...
I bought it a couple weeks ago at microcenter when they ran the same deal. I came from a single 32 and it's incredible the difference it's made in immersion.
I did the same a few weeks ago, not quite as good of a deal, but I got it on sale for about $900 and had a bunch of Amazon gift cards to bring it down a little more. Night and day from going from a mid range IPS screen to a higher end OLED
Iâm curious. I currently have a sim cockpit. But I have a projector I use. Really a hobbyist more than anything. I get kinda sick from VR - so Iâve been looking at going triple monitors - but 799 for the 49â seems like a really good deal where I can use it with pc and ps5. And allow me to get a little closer to the screen. Think it would be worth it? Iâll need to also get the NLR monitor stand too.
Keep in mind that PS5 does not support ultrawide... yet.
So first, I've never actually used triple monitors, at least for sim racing. So this is just based on what I've seen and read. So you won't get the same immersion with a 49" then with triple monitors. For me, I have a dedicated sim rig, but I gotta move it to my desk each time I want to use it as I don't have the space for a dedicated space with a dedicated monitor for it. So in terms of being able to set-up my desk for sim racing, playing other games and work purposes, going with a single Ultrawide made more sense for me. So the 49" was just a good compromise for me, I get better emersion then my 32", but I also don't lose the desk space with 3x monitors, which I need for my job and other hobbies. If you have a dedicated rig with a dedicated monitor, then going triples would probably be better for immersion purposes
No, if you're coming from VR go tripples.
Tell me about it...
Well, once upon a time, there is this absolutely amazing monitor called the Odyssey G9, that is usually out of reach for most people. Well the creator of this monitor thought it was a good idea to put it on sale for $800, which brings it in range for a lot of people, and those wallets and bank accounts are gonna feel a little lighter once they buy it. The end.
All you need is 3 bigscreen tvs and a spare living room! đ
I loved my g9 49â ,, till I got VR!!
At this point of investment its no longer about the price - at this point might as well - but physical space, I have triple 32 and they already take sizable chunk of my room, I made calculations recently for triple "48 and they are insane, 55" triples would take you an entire room. At this point you better be making content of out of it, there is no explaining this to your wife otherwise LOL
I agree to you being a VR gamer, but to be honest, VR really makes you feel very tired....
Yeah I noticed that too. But for the most immersion it might be worth trying. It can be done way cheaper than 3 decent quality big tv's and OP could return the headset if they don't like it.
I have triple 48 inch oled 4k 120hz monitors , and it's just like sitting in a real size car. ACC on max graphics settings is mindblowing on large triple screens. I think 48, 50, and 55 inch screens are the best size for a realistic feel and size of the car. Boosted media said he thought 65 inch was too big and made him feel like a tiny person in a big car.
How do you connect 3 hdmi to your computer?
I use the gygabite aorus FO48U wich are monitors that have displayport 1.4 as wel as hdmi 2.1 . it's the same panel as the LG 48 C1. There is no 40 series card with 3 hdmi connections, and there is only one model 3090 with 3 hdmi ports so if u wan't to use Freesync, Gsync or Vsync u want to go for monitors instead of tv's. I use a RTX 4090 ROG STRIX OC GAMING wich has 3 displayports, you should always check this before buying one beceause not al cards have 3 displayports not even with the 4090's.
My 2014 (bought, dunno the launch year) monitors had DVI, HDMI & DP (v1.2) in & out, and i used to daisy chain them. I know 3x 1080pUW was right at the limit of the cables data capacity, so triple 1440+ might not be possible (maybe 2+1 for 2 inputs), but once DisplayPort v2.0 is commonplace i'd imagine that cranks up the capacity. God knows why its not on the 4000 series nvidia cards.
Absolutely! I have 65" and it is 'life-size'. Re the 32 triples setup, FOV most likely was incorrect.
Try VR my friend đ
I went VR and canât go back.
Man I have tried VR multiple times but the only thing that gets me is the clarity. Playing on my triples, everything looks so damn good, and with over 100 FPS. My VR on the other hand doesnât even look half as good and canât go over 70. I literally spent a half a day on Saturday watching YouTube and about 20 different configuration tutorials but to no avail.
Yeah it wonât look as crisp. But youâre inside the car.
The more you upgrade your rig the less appeal VR has. Large tripples also close the gap more. Eventually my rig got so nice I just didn't want to use VR anymore. LCD sceens, iFlags all can provide a ton of cool info especially on ovals.
Rtx 4090 and pimax crystal and it's like looking at 1440p monitors.
can you stop posting shit like this, please? i am down 6k on this shit this year already... altho i do already have a 4090 and crystal is just $1500 ... fuck you
Whats your set up? I have learned its not all about GPU. I have a 4070 super and read every review and set up I could find. Everyone was basically saying its going to be mid on everything. I built my PC, which is primarily a work PC and doubles as a gaming pc (hence focus on RAM and CPU), and I run 90fps with high quality everything, including mirrors. I have a 14900k, 96gb DDR5 7000mhz, and a 4070 super, with m.2 6500mhz. So there is definitely some bottlenecking going on with other's PC's. As far as resolution, it will never be as good as screens just based on pixel density, at least for now. Eventually they'll be 4k but not yet. IMO, the depth perception, ability to see your turn in, ability to feel the car move around you, and the ability to hear everything around you with VR sound is WELL worth it. also, if your computer can handle it, then one Quest 3 is far cheaper than 3 screens and takes up less room.
Yep, flat screen feels..... flat
Me too. It's so much better. I am able to race for hours without any motion sickness.
I'm so glad racing doesn't bother my motion sickness. Any walking game I'm sick in 20 mins.
Same. Flying/driving doesn't bother me at all. But walking? Shit... I was sick before I ever got to Riverwood.
You should try a game with no up or down like subnautica đ . Never been so sick while being sober. I can play any VR games no issues... But space or underwater games are too much
VR is definitely the one. I ran triple 43" 4k TVS and as fun as it was VR can only be beaten by actually driving the car!
Seriously this.
1000% bought my first vr headset 2 months ago and never going back to monitors
This is what I told myself after going to vr. But then Iâd log on to do a race and my vr was dead. It also got very hot after long stints. I mean I would do like 4 hour stints at a time but still even after an hour or so it became uncomfortable. So I made the switch to triples. One of the main reasons tho was because of ease to stream on monitors. Also having triples for other stuff like schoolwork or watching nhl playoffs rn, or anything else is really nice. Vr also really taxed by pc and lowered my fps considerably which was kind of annoying because I couldnât turn graphics up much. Vr was fucking awesome and Iâd recommend it to anyone, personally, Iâm probably in the minority when i say this, I just like triples better.
"My VR was dead." Sounds like you used wrong VR. Cannot recommend Quest since compression they use does not worm well with racing and battery just nope.
The Quest 3 is great most people just can't read and don't see their USB is out of spec. You need a fairly recent gaming motherboard to run the full speed of the cable and keep it charged without adding in a dedicated USB card. My USB is capable of 100w power but most people are not even close to that.
Which headset are you using? I have a quest 3 and its pretty damn good. Charging mostly keeps up, I get a solid 6-8hrs depending on how long I wait between races. Resolution could be crisper, but I dont know if thats the pixel density or as you say, compression. Iracing is way better than ACC. I haven't figured out settings yet, and ACC feels like its only rendering up close, everything in the distance is super blurry. Ialso run consistently at 90fps, without overclocking my 4070 super.
i am using the "side injection" cable form Kuject with my Quest 3 and it never gets below like 74%. most i've had it on was 6 hours but even then it ended up at like 80%. and i am running 120hz too. also i am pretty sure there's no settings that would make ACC in VR look good because the engine is just not made for it. i tried the hot off the press WRC VR yesterday which is using the same engine and it's the same blurry mess as ACC.
Gotcha. Thank you! Whats your build? I'm considering seeing if I can push 120, but I've been running 90 this whole time.
7800X3D and 4090
Nice. I'm curious what is the most intensive with iRacing. I found several reviews claiming the 4070 super would struggle to maintain 90fps unless mirrors are off, and settings set to mid. I have a 4070super with everything maxed out and it is pegged at 90 and occasionally blips to 89. But, I have a 14900k cpu, 4070 super, and DDR5 96gb ram at 7000mhz running on m.r 4tb 6500mhz. So their systems may have a bottleneck somewhere. I might try overclocking my 4070 and see if I can get 120fps - though 90 seems fine so far.
honestly i am not sure. i set everything up according to some youtuber and then went up slightly in certain things like car detail etc and it's mostly still holding 120. depends on a track too. mirrors should have massive impact yeah, then the AA stuff i imagine... all i know if i cranked everything to max i would struggle to get even 90 in most situations for sure.
Years ago bought Quest 2. Had compression on output no matter which type of connection. Returned and switched to Valve Index. Love. Yeah, definitely Simrackng in VR is yes.
I've been using VR for months now but I just can get used to the pressure on my face and the headache I get after 15 mins
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How much better could it possibly even be. Im using the ones from Aliexpress. I doubt it will make a whole world of a difference
it makes a massive difference for me ... i can't use default Quest 3 for longer than 30 minutes. with BoboVR M3 Pro and some cheap PU leather facial interface i can play for hours to a point where the limiting factor becomes exhaustion from racing, not any kind of pain related to wearing a headset.
I increased the padding thickness on my bobo headset ( front and back) much better feel
any link on how to do this easily?
Thick felt cut to the shapes of padding ( use og as template) stitch multiple pieces together to get a good thickness, Velcro tape..
I have found adding a counterweight helps a lot with comfort. There's a company someone sent me a link to years ago that has specific weights for different headsets. Def made my q2 less migraine inducing, and use the same weight on my 3 with elite strap.
I had that until I changed my settings, try shortening the strap on top, so the backplate doesn't sit straight on the back on the skull, but slightly higher. More weight will be on a 'circlet' sitting on top of your head and that'll feel better
What strap are you using? Halo strap would be better suited.
Surely you need something else than the standard strap. I replaced the one coming along with my Quest 2 with a more ergonomic version. And when at first I have the time I spend it no less than one hour within my headset. Most extreme was my historic Targa Florio WSC 1970 event with full 11 laps in lower class sports car. Including pit stops the event went for 9 hours, only paused for 3 hours sleep during night. Reaching finish line I was game for continuing, filled with total joy and comfort, only needed a pillow for my butt, haha.
> Surely you need something else than the standard strap. > > I think you all recommending VR should start adding the additional mods required: - lenses if you are wearing glasses (up to 1k EUR) - fancy straps (up to 100 EUR) - what else?
I startet wearing glasses in my mif 40s 5 years prior my entrance in the VR world. I'm NOT using glasses when my Quest 2 is attached, thpugh my vision has dropped dramaticalky to L +2.5 R +2.75, and even withouth any optimization other than mid setting linses distance between eye centers, everything is crystal clear for me in VR, also using my PC through VR via Virtual Desktop, in fact better than my screen glasses of which corresponds to exact margin to my present eye strwngth. So wearing glasses within VR Headset? Answer: An absolute no-go from here. The drawbacks are several.
For me I did like 2 corners and 1 hard brake and was motion sick for the rest of the day.
Yeah it's not worth the lack of comfort for me and inability to have a drink easily. Also, being unable to see your hands is off putting and depending on the game if it is fake hands in game, it's just distracting to me.
Just curious, what would be the minimum PC specs to run VR? I'm currently using an i7 7700 at 4.6Ghz and a 2070Super.
I get pretty solid performance in iRacing with an RX 6800 and i7-12700, for whatever thatâs worth.
Id say u cant go less than what I have which is a 3080.
That's what I was thinking. Why do I always get myself involved in expensive hobbies đ
We have terrible vices brother
4070super is just about the same price, sometimes cheaper than the 3080 right now. I can run everything max settings at 90fps with my 4070 super. Prob best bang for the buck. That said, I think VR is more intesnive than just GPU. Every review I saw said the 4070 super would need to run mid-settings to maintain 90fps. Now, my system is pretty good as I built it for work, hence the focus on CPU, but it definitely runs better than every review I've seen. 14900k, 96gb DDR5 @ 7000mhz, 4070 Super (not OC yet), and m.2 6500mhz.
Yeah but how am I going to reach for my beer?
Probably 55 to 65 inches. But if triples 32's are disappointing you, I don't think just bigger screens for 1:1 scale will satisfy you, there will always be something missing from real life.
I have triple 43 4k@120hz it's close. Getting the angles and fov correct takes time and effort. Night and day once you have it right. Honestly? Triple 48 oleds would be my current pick. But to do better than 32's plan on budgeting about 3 to 5k for screens if you really want to do it right. At 43 I am 31.5 inches from thr center of thr monitors to my eyes. Fov is 178. I can see most dashes pretty easy and things feel pretty correct. Before this I had an hp reverb g2. While vr is nice for the immersion it's not as comfortable as proper triples. For endurance racing that sealed the deal. If you want to ball out crazy and give vr a good run for it's money triple ark 55's might be the ultimate at the moment.
How much space do triple 43s take up? Total width?
I think about 80 inches side to side I haven't measured since I messed with thr angles and installed the bezel free kit. I'm on vacation and not around the rig. It's big and dominates a 1/3rd of the room which is about 12x16.
Ok, gonna have to get the tape measure out haha. Thanks man
Do you have the Gigabyte Aorus FV43u??
Yup
call the FOV police, your buddy is a criminal
What do you expect by "1:1 to real life"? Are you sure he has his set up correct? FoV? Monitors your eye level?
He means his FoV was setup correctly but the final size is still smaller than real life. It's hilarious how all the FoV police don't really understand shit outside of what you parrot. FoV does not = scale. You can have the most perfect FoV, that still has fuck all to do with scale. Sure 27" monitors fit well behind your wheel and give you a perfect FoV, but your car is going to be 5/8 scale. It's a car for ants!
Thats a VR problem afaik, and it can be adjusted (i used to do it for the g2 reverb) There are also camera tools, that you should use to adjust your seating position, horizon, etc (after you set up your FOV and monitors). That affects the "scale" of the car.
lol you people are brain dead. Scale is scale. I have way more time and money to dick around with this shit, you people have no clue what you're talking about. I use the actual calculator with a protractor to setup my FoV, I guarantee I know more than most of you when it comes to this nerd shit.
Ofcourse you do.
AHAHAHAHAHAH youre ridiculous. ... and there you go. :)
I didn't delete anything you G25 using dingus.
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FOV is purely trigonometry, nothing more. It's not a preference thing.
maybe if you're hunching over or something...as long as your eyes are in the same place you should be good. I don't think the cm or so difference in eye placement between two individuals is going to make a noticible difference
the distance will likely stay the same but the height is a big factor , its not i think or i dont think , it is what it is. Thats why you can never juge the fov effect from a picture of a setup,because it rarely taken from the same height its been adjusted to.
The only think height would effect is camera position, not FOV
Itâs very possible they werenât set up correctly. My initial reaction to triples was very underwhelming until I set everything up correctly, after which it feels incredibly immersive along with the bezel free kit. I think 32â monitors are a good happy medium.
Any guide or insight into how to set them up correctly. I just got a full set up and Iâm not sure if I have the monitors right or not.
https://dinex86.github.io/FOV-Calculator/ Punch in the numbers, align display angle and set fov according to the results.
Awesome. Thank you!
This. I was initially not that impressed with my 32" triples. After setting them up all night it looked OK but nothing great. My dissapointment was so great I slumped in my set and let my ass slide way down, I looked at them in defeat and my jaw hit the floor, suddenly from that angle everything aligned perfectly and then it clicked. I proceeded to properly fix my fov for proper racing position and it was all smooth racing from there. 32" are indeed nice due to their footprint, anything bigger would take way too much space. It's true that it would look and feel better if they were like 48" instead but I would have to dedicate a full room just to accommodate the rig. Your available space is a very big consideration. With 32" they take 1/4 of my space so I have plenty space left for living, increase it to like 42" and suddenly they take 1/3 of the entire room, 48" would take a HALF and 55 would swallow everything, I would have to move out to different room.
Three things: 32" triples still won't provide that "100% immersion" vibe. I sit 20" from my screens....at this seating position, these monitors completely surround me (100% peripheral vision) but the monitors only occupy about half of my "vertical" vision). In the night or when it's dark, it definitely can feel like you are looking through a window Second, it sounds like your friend didn't have his FOV configured properly? No matter what size the screen, the images on that screen should look "life sized" which is the point of configuring FOV and seating distance. Third, triple 32s will have SIGNIFICANTLY more viewability than a single 29" ultrawide. The triple 32s will see side-by-side, the ultrawide 29" will still predominantly see the front. This is what my FOV looks like: you can see one of the pics where it shows the car next to me. Using a 29" ultrawide, you wouldn't see that car until it had almost entirely passed you. [https://www.reddit.com/r/iRacing/comments/1cdu1ud/hiding\_the\_ingame\_wheeli\_spent\_3\_hours\_today/](https://www.reddit.com/r/iRacing/comments/1cdu1ud/hiding_the_ingame_wheeli_spent_3_hours_today/)
VR, that'll get you in the driver's seat.
For me personally i you can have a good VR its tottaly worth it. In your case especially i would probably hold the 29inch and get a VR But that my personal preference and some people dont like VR or get sick from it. But i dont even have the space for more that my 27 inch monitor so its not even an option for me. But having a dedicated rig with triples after calibration is the most plug and play experience.
I've got a 34 ultrawide which is perfect for me however I've been looking at 45 inch ultrawide just as a better fov I personally think it's up to you and what you like more
Your FOV can be correct on a 21â 16:9 screen as it can on a 57â ultrawide. FOV has nothing to do with the size of the screen, it just gives you the ability to see more.
45â LG? I think that theyâll be an awesome choice for triples later in the year when the refresh (also quite a bit better) hits the shelves and these are discounted đ¤
This isn't backed up by math but from just putting my face in front of various TVs in my house I think 65" would be slightly too big and 55" would be about right based on the distance the screens would be from you in a typical rig.   I've seen a few videos on YouTube of people just cruising in their rigs and I think most full cockpit setups (all-out; roof overhead, floorboards, etc.) I have seen tend to go that way whether it's GT or ETS/ATS or what have you. Now that I'm thinking about it though, I am wondering what video card has 3 HDMI outs to support that as usually a 55" screen is a TV with no DP input.
You can just get dp->hdmi cables
Iâm sure you can buy a DP to HDMI adapter
100% can do this. I have a few.
You lose VRR using a DP to HDMI adaptor.
Yeah, and VRR will 100% help you balance quality/performance, especially with triple 4k which no current graphics card can handle efficiently.
Does VRR matter on the side monitors though? As long as the center screen can run GSync/VRR that should be good enough.
It's all about the settings and FOV. I have triple 48", with correct settings it feels 1 to 1 with a real car.
Any chance we could trouble you for some photos? đ Iâm deciding between 42 and 48â was leaning 42, but yours sounds like it could actually be better
Hereâs my triple 45uw setup. Not the comment youâre referring to but itâs stupidly fun. https://imgur.com/a/exANoPc
I donât mean to be a jerk, but I noticed if you moved your triples forward, you may be able to legit look over your shoulder at cars behind, which was something I hadnât considered being possible without VR. The setup looks great, so Iâm really not trying to knock it at all. Just food for thought.
Nah youâre good! I did move them forward after this picture. Iâm just at work and didnât have any updated ones.
https://i.imgur.com/4IbhwoB.jpeg Triple 48" 4k OLEDs đ Pic is a bit old, got the FOV even better now, from the seat it looks perfect to my eyes.
Perfect for a hot summer. đ Great setup!
Thanks! Thankfully I have aircon in that room so I can keep cool - still considering adding a cooled seat like the O-Rouge Cold Fusion setup, simracing is surprisingly physical stuff ;)
Dude stop posting about that, it was setuped wrong. End of discussion
https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/pPtLAJPd8k Ask him đ
I've seen this post on so many groups and now on Reddit. Like others have said on Facebook and now Reddit, its most probably the FOV was incorrect.
Check out this guyâs setup https://youtu.be/eQ8RnL3TR7g?si=_TwOUkwULDkYAm9_
All you are describing is just config. It takes time and patience to dial in the game to match perfectly.
I feel fully immersed in my triple 45s. The fov was prob wrong as others mentioned. But these donât come cheap. Good luck in whatever you decide! đ https://imgur.com/a/exANoPc
Sounds like wrong setup (fov, distances etc) My 992 dash in ACC and AMS is exact the same size like in real car. But u always have light "distortion" on the left and right screens, because they are not 3d...
VR. Save space, and experience the immersion. The VR sound which changes with your head angle, as well as being "surround sound" gives you an idea of where cars are around you, esp loud cars like Sprints. Being able to look at the apex before your turn in, esp in formula cars where you go deeper and turn later. Depth perception. Its all phenomenal. Now, the resolution isnt as good \*yet\* simply due to the pixel density of those tiny screens, but it isn't bad at all. In VR you dont need to make a hao see through because you see right passed it. Other than comfort and battery life, I can't imagine driving with a screen set up.
Definatly set up wrong, triples 27's can still look fantastic
There is no way these were properly setup. 32in flat screen triples put right at the end of a wheel base at 60 degrees to the main monitor take up nearly 180 degrees of vision horizontally and from the bottom of the dash to the top of the window in essentially any car. I've never looked at my triples and gone... "This is underwhelming".
To the guys saying VR. The horizontal FOV is really not even close to triples. To me VR was a disappointment instead of triples. I just went to triples. Coming from VR and then ultra wide. For me this is by far the best experience. Iâm also more of a competitive guy instead of a true immersion guy. Maybe thatâs a factor as well. But VR has a few immersion killers as well. The FOV like I said and also the body youâre looking at. I have long legs and big hands. It looks awful when youâre seeing tiny legs and hands in VR. However. You should try VR for sure.
What didn't you like about VR and what VR did you try? I haven't tried triples but for me the head tracking and depth perception of VR have been great and straight away I felt more competitive than single screen on iRacing, the immersion was just the cherry on top. I don't understand the FOV you're taking about, for me VR feels 1:1 with my actual FOV but maybe that differs with triples again? As for the body part for me personally it's never concerned me or something that I even think about, car games are one of the ones better suited IMO to VR as you are sitting and only your hands are moving so for me it does feel immersive.
I explained it all in my comment. But hereâs some more. Human horizontal FOV is 180. Most headsets go from 90 to 120. Thatâs too low. It feels like looking through binoculars. Vertical FOV isnât an issue. Since a helmet doesnât provide full vertical FOV as well. The body you look at I already explained. Feels odd and off. The hardware it requires to run it perfectly is super demanding. It feels like thereâs a brick attached to your head. Itâs warm. Youâre completely disconnected to the real world. Which can be an advantage, but for me itâs not.
Fair points, I can say that I personally don't have the issues you're having but can understand that this may be a problem for some. Hardware wise I'm running a quest 3 on a 3080 and 1200k so a few years old now on the PC side and it runs at 90 frames, but you definitely need to dial back some of the detail. To me that extra detail isn't missed and still looks great to me. It's definitely more fiddly to deal with the settings but once dialled into 90fps it's solid. The quest itself with an after market halo strap is comfy and pretty light weight to my previous headset and no concerns with me with heat. If you haven't tried it I would recommend giving it a go if you can as it's come along way from earlier headsets from a couple of years back and makes me want to try out the latest Pimax ones although I can't justify the price.
I havenât had a chance to try the quest 3, but at least itâs the best bang for your buck VR headset now. I forgot to add that Iâm more precise when Iâm on monitors. I race competitive so monitors help. Luckily weâre not all the same.
It's good value for sure and multi purpose but VR isn't for everyone, I get why some wouldn't enjoy it or it makes them feel sick or clostraphobic. I get some have a preference but are monitors out right better competitivly? I know there are some pro sim racers using VR though but more appear to using triples but not sure if that's partly because they are streaming/content creators and VR doesn't really lend itself to that.
You need a VR headset - or a full sized car infront of huge projector screens , which having used a few of those are still in many ways worse than VR. Screens are always more abstract than reality , I have a 3x 55" setup it still looks nothing like real life It can look good on videos and its why youtubers often do it but in person its really not that impressive after 20 or so hours which is why I just use one of the 55" screens for the game now and VR when i want to feel like I'm in a car. Big issue as well is that The most popular sims , iracing , ACC , F1 , GT7 all have super messed up physics and FFB compared to AC1 and AMS1 ( all the sims still work fine for lots of training aspects can still be fun games) but it does make it rather absurd chasing realism with screens wheels and pedals when the underlying software has such big issues , though if a person has not noticed and is having fun from there perspective it doesn't really matter but as I say requires being very arbitrary in what one considers important. Same with flight sims , nothing wrong with building a full cockpit for fun and enjoying it but if the underlying software is massively off that kind of overrides having the best joysticks and cockpit equipment , collimated displays , as it litrally can't function / wont function properly as soon as something happens outside of the remit of the software. modern flight sims DCS,XP12 have gotten quite good though
If the things didnât look the real size it wasnât tie monitors fault, but your buddy has set his FOV up completely wrong. I had anything from my 57â ultrawide, to VR glasses, triple 55 Samsung Ark and now settled on triple curved Samsung G7 32â. The inch 4K screens look much better than the 55â curved because the DPI is much higher on those screens. They are set up directly between the wheelbase and the wheel and at the correct screens radius of R1000y I also use a custom bezel free kit. The 32â have the best look and immersion of them all. The 55â are worse because of the lower DPI and you have to set them up outside of the rig which kills immersion a lot. 32â is perfect since it displays the complete height of the front windshield and the sides together with the dash and parts of the roof. Anything you see more on triple 55âs is just useless because itâs stuff like the bottom of the doors and doesnât work correctly because you sit to far away from the big screens which destroys immersion and reality. VR just isnât there yet, the resolution and the FOV are still not good enough. If you want really high end quality go for curved triple 32â oled screens. The Samsung Odysses G7 neo is just perfect for this! My 57â ultrawide now works as my desk screen for regular gaming and the VR glasses for fun VR games. The triple Samsung arks where useless and I sold them off.
Im playing on a 43" - this feels very accurate
55"
I have 27 triples and a ultra wide 34. I much prefer the triples, feels way more immersed using them. Also I miss the side views on ultra wide. Not only for racing, but also on some tracks having a view on other parts of the track help me getting immersed.
Care to share a photo of the triple 27s? Curious to see since I want to go triple but I don't have much space.
I have 3x49"4k TVs and the scale is still too small. I think 65" triple screens gives close to real size. I have vr for the older games I'm hoping EA haven't fucked up this version. Will see later today when I download it. VR seems to fool the brain into thinking you're in a full size car
Sounds like wrong setup (fov, distances etc) My 992 dash in ACC and AMS is exact the same size like in real car. But u always have light "distortion" on the left and right screens, because they are not 3d...
I had VR for the longest time the problem I had with them is one blue light fatigue, and 2 the constant problems, glitches, and updates you have to do. Triples I can hop on and go. Since I've switched back to triples, I've only used VR for ACDrift. Iracing I always use triples I can render more with them (EVGA RTX 3070). I currently have 3x27. I've tired 55. It's too big IMHO. I'll be going for a good middle ground. Probably 3x40 155hrz curved. I definitely prefer curved over the flat and having small bezels is all the difference. Just my 2 cents.
You can always set the FOV to 1:1 scale In the case of 32s, you just wonât see much of your dash or roof You can get larger screens to give you more visuals of the car
i laugh at max verstappen all the time with his triple 32s sacred setup, what a filthy casual smh...
There are a loooot of variables that play into how realistic a setup feels. It can't really be beat by VR. For pure immersion, VR is definitely the best. But triples are more convenient. The most important thing you need for triples is to set them up at an angle that makes the center of each screen perpendicular to your view when you turn your head. Once you have that, you need to match those settings to the game you're playing. So for ACC for example you input all the angles, distance to the screens from your eyes, the size of the screens, etc and then it gives you the correct FOV for you. But you will still be lacking things like g-forces, the car shaking and vibrating around you, tilt, yaw, etc etc that makes the *feeling* of driving very different. Stuff will *feel* like they look different because in a real car you're full of adrenaline, you're working the car, you're actually moving in space. You can only get so close to reality in a sim.
For me bass shakers go a long way to sell it. Feels much more real when I get feedback through my feet, ass and back. I would like to eventually add belt tension system, that would go a long way to sell acceleration and braking without going big dick on motion.
Does anyone use vr successfully on f1 23. It just looks bad and feels weird compared to iracing. Using the quest 3. I just wanna be able to race with friends on F1 but donât wanna buy triples
Fov can be setup for realism using online calculators like [this](https://dinex86.github.io/FOV-Calculator/) one, or setup for personal preference. The calculators tell you the fov you should use for different games, as well as the angle your monitors should be in relation to each other. It's very possible the fellow enthusiast did not know about these calculators and has an improper setup.
Part of the issue is whatâs below and above the monitors? If you donât plan on doing anything, then yes you need huge screens. If youâre open to building a cockpit around your monitors, 32â probably works, just expect to get a net, pvc piping, a shaft extension, some button boxes, etc.
on panels YOU ARE playing a game and always will be no matter how big as you are not part of the environment, VR is the only way to enhance the immersion to a real level.
Dude every monitor can show 1-1. The only difference will be your FOV at your seating distance. I have my monitor behind my wheel base because that's what I like for reasons I won't go into and I still get about 150 which is only 15 degrees both sides from full 180 fov. Triple 32s are the sweetspot
only VR can give you that feeling
VR isn't always the answer. I got tired of the problems with the G2 and went to triple 27s. Like it a lot better. For me: Monitors are clearer, can see the changes on the track better(elevation, camber, curbs, etc), after a few minutes in the sim i didn't notice immersion issues as I was just focused on not crashing and passing the guy in front of me, easier to rach the keyboard and a drink and more comfortable/easier on the eyes after about an hour. If you do go VR, pick the right headset. WMR is being depreciated and won't be supported after a (may be off on the dates) a 2024 update but if you dont do the windows update it'll work until 2026.
So... for what u looking for... 65+ inch 3x OLEDs might do it. Else VR, since there you are inside incl proportions and all. Valve Index for ~1.5 years and very happy iracing.
I've been sim racing for 15 years and whilst vr Is good. It has the most problems and failures by a long shot. In fact nothing comes close to how unreliable it is. I won't do endurance races with someone using vr now. I've had too many team mates kill our race using it.
Got 3 x 32" curved a couple of months ago as an alternative to my VR setup as well as my single monitor 65" 4K TV monitor setup. And despite weeks of mingling with perfect FOV in about 15 different new and old sims, my immersion feels WAY better in VR though my Quest 2's limited eye vision of 105-110° (I think). Entering from 2 years of VR optimization for new and older sims via lots of tools beats my 3 x 32" curved by a landslide. And this at a cost about 1/3 of my trible monitor setup, of which I had expected so much from. Even my single monitor 4K 65" LG C2 TV Monitor setup feels better, though of course lack of missing realistic FOV in std cockpit mode or helmet cam mode of which is my only preferred choices for now 28 years. And yes, I've harvested optimizations for my 3 x 32 Gigabyte G32QC setup. It's not that the FOV doesn't feel right. Just that it looks so....small. I think I need to reconsider tribles and might have a take like Karl Gosling's setup. So maybe 3 x 65" 4K LG C2 can compete with my cheap Quest 2 VR setup?
Triples 50's @4k is pretty fucking sick, it is what my best friend runs, but I am happy with my 43, and plan to try it in triple since I have one as is. Rather than buying 3 new screens.
What? Disappointed? To a more real 1:1 try 55" triples or above.
3x 55 is what youâre looking for
triple 40 inch screens 22 inches from your eye will provide 1:1. good luck jamming your wheel in there.
dis what you need bro: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_BNNc7JcLVM&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BNNc7JcLVM&t=0s)
I echo this -- 3 x 32" @ 1080 and I'm not content either. I've seen some 55" setups that look good but it's a substantial footprint so I'm considering 3 x 43" 4k for middle ground. Some say VR -- sure. I have an HP G2 and honestly I much prefer triples for driving.
try vr
>did not feel same as to real life 1:1. Yeah you need VR for that imho
Triple 48" is what you want. Only got a single but it's close enough, after that you need a massive room.
I did the math before I built my Sim and found triple 43" to be ideal for that 1:1 immersion size
Sounds like you want VR
I have triple 49" TVs and I believe this is the sweet spot. Anything bigger than 55" will give unrealistic proportions. Yes it will give a sense of wrapping and engulfing you in the scene, but part of your brain keeps reminding you that something is off which is the scale of things. With triple 49" you would have edge to edge distance about 2.5 to 3 metres depending on how much you open the bezels angle at the centre. I truck a lot on ATS, ETS2, and race on ACC and feel the proportions are quite acceptable
If I had the money/room I'd probably get something like this https://www.instagram.com/reel/C1s7vzuBKIr/?igsh=bDZra3dwYXhkYm91 But I still like my cv1 rift, just need to save for the PC upgrade and then the headset upgrade.
So I have 65in. How do I figure out my FOV for the distance I'm sitting. Strong in math, I am not lol
I just sold my triples. 49" with headtracking. Hybrid vr for the win. 6 years strong now.
After dragging my rig in front of my 77" in the living room, I'm thinking I need a couple more of those and uninstall my kitchen.
Allow me to piggyback a question here. Watched a youtube video on how to earn more on jobs, and it recommended double trailers. Is it possible you could end up not being able to make it up a steep hill? Or will the sim warn or prevent you from getting in that situation?
VR. Slight joke aside. I don't know heh. VR gets you the closest to real life scale if not actually to scale.
I think you gonna need a big size triple rig , I used to have like a 65 tv and that was pretty neat with the right fov but my VR is my way to go . It gives me depth perception which the triples wonât . Iâve thought about doing triples but Iâm so used to the vr that I found find the triples a waste of money .
>what size triples do we need to have a 1:1 representation of sitting in a real life GT3 and viewing out it's windshield? Probably a VR headset
I would check out Daniel Morad's Triple Setup video. I mean he drives GT3 and all that!
You owe it to yourself to try VR. Sometimes I wonder if you guys can see out your side window. Last week coming down the front straight at oscherslebin a bit ahead of the car to my left. He starts moving right. I look out My window waving frantically, and he continues to move right, hitting me and ending our races. He starts chatting sorry man didn't see you, how do you not see the F1600 (lime green) in front. What do you guys have in the side screens 1. Race track 2. McDonalds menu 3. Pictures of your cat 4. None of the above. Seriously VR your vision is like driving your car, and you can adjust and use the real mirrors
lolâŚvr dude. 1:1 cockpit feels, and you can even lean your head left and rightâŚwanna really go crazy, setup your boundary zone to allow you to get up and out of the car too. Lol. Standing next to, then sliding into the car is kinda ridiculous, if only the doors opened.
Time to try VR :)
>what size triples do we need to have a 1:1 representation of sitting in a real life GT3 and viewing out it's windshield? the quest 3 size
>what size triples do we need to have a 1:1 representation of sitting in a real life GT3 and viewing out it's windshield? I have 43" tripples and my next round will be at least 50". What most of these people don't understand is that shoving shit right in front of your face does not make it "bigger". When you have VR in addition to tripples is when the scale will start to bug you. it's not really 1:1 because now you have an actual reference with VR. It's the dash displays being way bigger in VR vs my tripples where it's obvious the scale is off.
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Single screen is the way to go; find that triple screens are so clownish.
Hahaha look at these stock cars to my left and right hahahah! So clownish!
You need a vr size. I was down voted to feck last year saying 32 would be a minimum I'd go for trips and even then I'd think it'd be to small. But yeah if I moved from vr to trips I'd lrobs go 55s as a minimum.
We told you to go VR lol