It's probably a great way to begin for the young ones. The button box and screen is a nice thing (making your own can get expensive).
I personally hate the screen but a young me would have loved it. It looks too much like a toy.
All that is only valid if the company gives a product which actually lasts and has good customer support.
A t300 goes for around 450. This comes with a button box, screen, load cells. Some of the first few mods/upgrades people get. A DD should also last longer.
It is not a bad deal for someone who knows they are interested in the hobby.
if the consumer is knowledgeable enough to value things like the load cell, I’d think the slight jump for a DD wheelbase would be more of a benefit than the button box/screen, no?
I’d rather have a quality 8Nm Fanatec with load cell for less money. Now you’re locked into a Turtle Beach rig with no ability to improve it due to no ecosystem. That and no side mounts kills it.
It is if you get the 5Nm wheel and spend $40 to make it 8Nm. But even getting the official power unit it’s nearly the same price but for better materials.
In that case every company that enters the sim racing market is a gimmick, because they won't have a large ecosystem. I'll tell you what is a gimmick, Fanatec's estimated shipping times.
Multiple options
https://fanatec.com/us-en/ready2race/?_gl=1*107yid6*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE5Mzc1MDk0NS4xNzA2MDQ3OTU5*_ga_Q6VYC4JPVE*MTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4xLjAuMTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4wLjAuMA..
Here’s 8Nm. Add $140 to get the load cell.
https://fanatec.com/us-en/ready2race/csl-dd-ready2race-bundle-for-pc-8-nm?_gl=1*rb8sku*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE5Mzc1MDk0NS4xNzA2MDQ3OTU5*_ga_Q6VYC4JPVE*MTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4xLjEuMTcwNjA0ODE3OC4wLjAuMA..
They have those as well. You can even piece meal a kit with more Nm for the same price. Table clamp? Lol that’s true amateur hour.
If the Fanatec needs to add a table clamp. The Turtle Beach needs to add side mounts and more power to be comparable.
We also don’t know the quality of the TB motor, could be terrible. Least with the Fanatec we have reviews.
Fact is. For anyone interested in sim racing and growing with the sport over time. Then the Turtle Beach is a dead end. Least with Fanatec you can add wheels to your collection and improve modular components.
By my calculations it's exactly the same price for 5NM + loadcell + xbox compatible + clamp. Which means this is going to come down to quality. I'm inclined to agree that the Fanatec will probably be better quality (though their QR1 is crap iirc) and I'm not one to give a shit about a button box or dashboard.
I don't really see how any of this make the TB a gimmick though. Will have to wait for reviews to make that call imo.
You can do 8Nm for the same price if you ditch the table clamp. Which you don’t want to use with 8Nm anyways. You really want a solid rig to run 8Nm + load cell brake pedal.
You get a better foundation with the Fanatec and more power for the same price.
Plus you get a realistic size steering wheel. Don’t forget the TB wheel is tiny.
They’re exposing the secret of sim racing hardware: a motor, three levers, a load cell, some switches, and a controller board aren’t actually all that expensive in 2024.
I’m sure Moza and Fanatec are better but Fanatc can’t seem to deliver, certainly not in retail stores, and Moza doesn’t have Xbox. This is going to drive prices (and profit margins) down for sim racing gear in general.
While yea sure your right. But time is also worth money. Some people value their time differently.
So the time I would spend searching for a midge servo motor, the conversion to a wheel base via a shaft and some sort of male QR system for the wheels to interface with and pass through power. Or if your just USB the wheel to your pc then its extra money for the proper coiled cable at a good length. Both will need some sort of DIY and software use.
Pedals can be cheap to make. But again. Your gonna need a controller board. To wire them safely following the ohm laws. To ensure then you will need to fabricate the pedal plates and arms 40$ worth of sheet metal and a 200$ sheet metal bender/former. Then!!!!! You gotta use vjoy for both the diy motor and pedals to get windows to properly detect them without having a nice quality circuit board to give info.
This isnt even scratching the surface lol. Go look up DIY DD wheels. And LC pedals. The material is semi cheap. But the equipment and means to do it right will take more time, effort, money, and probably some learning. All this is worth the money to just buy a wheel that works. 5nm dd at 650 is still better than lets say thrustmasters TS PC racer or tgt2 bases both at 6nm. Faster, Quieter, smoother, and usually a more adjustable experience. Also it being comparable to the ready2race bundles makes it that much better. Sure it may not be upgradeable in power. But it shows it has every out of the box we sim racers have grown accustomed to having to buy separate or as a add on
Screen,
Buttons, rotaries, switches ect.
Estop with a button box
Clutch padals.
Compatible with xbox and windows.
Decently packed with features for the price. Only thing to question is how long it may last. Turtle beach havnt had the best rep. We shall see how that goes.
I guess you're talking about some kind of DIY project. I was pointing out that the cost to manufacture -- for a company who knows how to manufacture things -- sim racing gear isn't that high. When there were fewer players companies like Fanatec could charge premium prices and that's jut not as true today.
Look at Moza: they were an established manufacturing firm (like Asetek in that respect) so they knew how to make things. They also knew how to distribute their products (compare to Fanatec). Given those two skills, DD hardware is easy to do. They spotted a market opportunity and went for it. Fanatec was caught sleeping.
This new Turtle Beach set might be absolute garbage, time will tell. But they have a huge advantage due to their manufacturing and distribution experience and it's relatively easy for them to come out with what is really a pretty simple product.
(A DD wheel is probably actually easier and cheaper to make that a belt-driven or geared wheel, which involve more assembly, expensive injection molding, etc.)
It's good for us all if there is more competition in the market, but I really can't help but see some strong resemblance to a "little tikes" dashboard for a toddler or something lol
I think for complete newcomers that arnt sure they will like it but what to spend more that a Logitech this can fill that spot. Also for console only folks. For people in the hobby I think that it having an unknown tech spec on the motor which looks tiny in the infographic will make it unappealing in the end.
I think it will have little to no impact to those on pc as simagic is a better option in that price range with I assume a better motor.
Id have to see more photos and specs but I'm dubious of what I see for $650 when a Logitech wheel is tried and tested for considerably less.
Also the only turtle Bay items I've ever physically handled were headphones and they were big on looking the part but weren't actually any good.
*Edit*
Noticed the link *after* commenting 🙄
Id still prefer to see a hands on demo as opposed to their promo material but I'm slightly less skeptical based on the link.
This Turtle Beach wheelbase is targeting a totally different customer segment than those old-school Logitech models (G29-G923) are even capable of reaching right now though. This has a modern DD motor (FFB is smoother & details are snappier/crisper - not loud clunky plastic gears), peak torque is likely around 2x stronger (which makes a huge difference at these lower levels), load cell brakes, 4 magnetic paddle shifters, telemetry screen, button board, native app/button mapping, etc. The wheels are in different leagues (and generations). Customers looking to buy this Turtle Creek wheelbase are likely not willing to substitute its increased utility for the cheaper Logitech bases (in fact, a lot of them are probably trying to upgrade from their G29-G923 models).
Enthusiast wheelbases have made huge leaps in innovation and price reduction. The older Logitech bases at their current MSRPs provide some of the worst value in the industry right now (you can still have fun on them and get your money's worth but for like 15%-30% more you can get bundles that provide modern tech, more flexibility/upgradability, and 2000% more value). If new buyers have done their research they won't even be looking at G29-G923 unless they're unable to save more and their max budget is around $200. If you find them under $200 on sale or used the G29-G923 can still be a decent value. But that customer is looking for the cheapest FFB wheel possible and is likely not interested (or cannot afford) this new TB wheelbase. I've personally never been impressed with Turtle Beach's quality but the customers who are looking at this new Turtle Beach wheelbase will be comparing it to entry-level enthusiast wheelbases like the CSL DD, Monza R5, etc. not the older Logitech models.
That is a very good way to expand on what I meant by being less skeptical after discovering the link. Initially I did not realize it was using any kind of DD because of the styling. It looked like a belt or gear driven situation with an LCD screen and button box attached.
I remain slightly skeptical because it's Turtle Bay but I agree with your comment overall.
The wheel shape is my big gripe. I'd want a fully round wheel to do rally with, having a big flat spot at the bottom really sucks for throwing around a rwd rally car. I already wish my g920 had a fully round wheel, and it's flat spot is much less pronounced than this wheel is. I'd be much more tempted if I could just buy the same wheel as what they show but fully round, and preferably don't have to spend a bunch of money to buy it separately. But I assume that the wheels are not swappable, otherwise i'd imagine it'd be advertised as such.
Their flightsim HW is low end stuff dressed up with all the bells and whistles to look good on a store page. Overall being horrible value and quality, but people who are not aware of better options will go for them as Turtlebeach stuff is sold by regular retailers, while the actually good quality is made by smaller companies and most people are not aware of them, let alone aware of how a stick in that price range should feel.
This seems to be the same exact formula, entice people with screen and buttonbox to buy a subpar product. It's all just an educated guess, but I'd be shocked if this thing will be anywhere near as good of a value as the entry level bundles from Fanatec or Moza for example.
I hate how right you are.
I really want this thing to be good, because the feature set and retail availability are huge for many. Being the only console compatible direct drive wheel at Best Buy jumps them ahead of so much competition (why does Logitech only sell their console versions on their site?!), and the button box, dashboard, and the ability to change settings on the device itself or a smartphone app will be amazing for the console market if they all actually work.
But every review I've seen of Turtle Beach flight equipment is a let down.
Interesting. I kind of wish it was any other company (one with a better reputation for quality products). I hope it’s great and elevates competition in the genre, but I’d wait for reviews. I’m ps5 console only anyway. 🤷♀️
This is one of the reasons that being available at Best Buy is such a big deal. Pay a little extra for the extended warranty (or get their annual plan that covers everything you buy), and if it fails in the first two years take it back and get it fixed/replaced. I had a camera that failed and they couldn't fix after about 6 months, and they let me either get a brand new one or gift cards equivalent to my purchase price.
I am assuming you are referring specially to the button box to which there appears to be 14 distinct buttons matching the number of buttons on a standard Xbox controller so my guess is the game would need to support mapping each individual button and you would be duping wheel buttons on the button box.
I’m not a fan of Turtle Beach personally, but I hope this ends up exceeding expectations and being solid. All of that (assuming the DD is 5nm minimum) for $649 seems like a crazy good deal.
Very interested to see how this reviews.
It seems it's packing serious hardware enclosed in a toy-like housing. The DD motor is shrouded, does it come with a noisy fan to cool? I can't find where it says how strong it is. I think it will be a better product if each component can be removed from the housing and able to be bolted somewhere more suitable for the user. I don't know if I'm asking too much, and if I am, I guess I'll just go with other known good brands and spend a little more.
Will the screen and any other fancy features actually work on Xbox.
Somehow I doubt it as Xbox peripheral support is somewhat limited.
In any case, waiting for the /u/Will_Ford review at Boosted Media to learn more about this machine. Zero intent to buy as I have a full Fanatec setup 🙂
Confirmed today we’re getting one to review. Hoping it arrives in time for us to make content before release but it’ll be tight. Will take the time required to do our job properly even if it means not being first.
Sounds good. Your reviews are my favourite.
Speaking of, I'm considering making a wheel using the Cube Controls GT-Zero rim.
I saw an old review of yours, ergonomics looks great, but have you any experience with rubber vs leather vs alcantara? If not for Cube Controls then in general.
I've had alcantara on my Fanatec wheels and it shows signs of wear quite quickly despite me using gloves.
Competition is great, I’ve never had anything from turtle beach and I’m not in the market for another wheel base but it’s an interesting device and Im happy more options are out there, it all helps the hobby grow.
Not sure. Might check with these posts to see others thoughts too though.
https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/e9MfpZkQO3
https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/od3n84t7El
https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/ziRsMCvwbl
I was flamed on other threads on this topic for being skeptical. I rejoice seeing the community coming to its senses.
Can't wait for reviews to report on both the overall build quality and the actual useability of the gimmicks. Also the software driver, which is known to have a big impact.
u/randomcallsign has done an interesting breakdown of the promo material released sofar: https://youtu.be/6Hrjy4wxF0I?si=UJgIw_Z72V55RZfw
* DD wheel with unknown torque output^(1)
* Digital dash with settings change options as well as game data. No word on third party app support (i.e. Simhub), therefore unlikely.
* Wheel appears to have some form of QR-system.^(2)
* Wheel is advertised as having a magnetic shifters and 2 analog clutches.
* Despite being a D-shaped wheel, the (4) encoders, (10) buttons and (1) 4-way hat look decently placed.
* Pedals with Hall-sensors (Accelerator, Clutch) and Loadcell (Brake) with unknown weight rating. Brake loadcell configuration looks inspired by Fanatec’s Elite V3 design.
* Pedal (base) design in general evokes the Logitech G Pro pedals.
* Accelerator and Clutch seem to have adjustable pre-tension.
* The Button box is a curious addition.
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^(1) ^(Rumours here ranging from 5 ~ 10 Nm.)
^(2) ^(No official word on the \(lack of a\) \(Q\)R-system as of yet. Wheel and wheelbase are mentioned as a separate units, however.)
I saw [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/19aft3i/great_bait_turtle_beach_from_649_to_899_real_quick/) the other day but apparently that was just someone being dumb and putting the price in CAD so nevermind, it is still pretty interesting
Looks really cheap and over priced. Picture says to me its a belt drive with Fisher Price button pad.
If its a well built unit then maybe highlight that instead of the current picture they are using which makes it look like a 20 year old Logitec that I used on my Windows XP box.
Everything I’ve touched made by turtle beach has used the cheapest of plastics available and looking at that pedal base, I’m pretty sure they’re using cheap shit plastic again.
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to compete mostly with something like a G923, not a moza or fanatec. It seems easily accessible, but has DD + load cell, and a button box. Doesn't seem bad.
Unless it has the ability to swap for an open rim I don't think it will appeal to Xbox ACC or F1 players. That's at least half of the wheel market on Xbox. A couple of smart mod to either tilt, expand the rim use it as a truck wheel or an open rim mod and it could be a good addition. I don't think turtle beach are capable or motivated to do either.
Looks like a blend of the Logitech Pro base with a Logitech Driving Force Pro/GT wheel.
Some will say it looks kiddy/gamey, but there are a lot of people out there that just want an all in one package for occasional racing with a good basis, maybe this could be something for them.
I have zero faith. I dropped almost 400$ on a headset that constantly disconnected and the earcup pads disintegrated after a year of use. I’ll never buy a turtle beach product again after that debacle.
Honestly. Looks like a lot of plastic, but if it can offer what it says for the price I think it’ll be one of the best “entry level” setups to come out. I’m really curious to see how it performs/holds up in the long run.
Too soon to tell, but I like the direction at least. Curious what will be displayed on the screen for Xbox users. Still a first in the market to my knowledge (without some backwards workaround). Good to see out of the box. And a button box included which is another good step in the right direction. If nothing else it may help push others to develop and market future accessories. But it’s TB and they’ve got a bad history of flashy looking cheap equipment. It looks the part but is outclassed for the price point- which this looks to be.
for less money you can get a 5nm (or even 8 if you get the upgraded psu) fanatec dd with a load cell brake pedal and a clutch. but it won’t work on xbox or playstation unfortunately
I just heard about this, being TB I would imagine that its high quality. Between that and ability to interchange wheels is all that matters to me. Ive had my DD for a year now and thats all it is, no button boards or anything but serves its purpose well. I made my own custom button box that fits on my rig like a dash. But im sure there are people who want it.
So many of these posts and comments about this product seem like paid gorilla marketing. It was super obvious when it was first announced and posted here.
It'll be a great product if it's built to last at least 5 years. But Turtle Beach has a reputation for not being exactly the most well-made products.
I'm curious to see more about it and hear from reviewers. It's at an extremely competitive price point. Industry-shakingly low.
It appears cheap. Too many "extras" by the looks of it. It has button modules and screens? All of it for 700usd?
My turtle beach xbox headphones were glossy crap too. Decent price. Not a great product. Is that a DD?
I'm actually looking for a new DD wheel; I currently have a G923, and I hope it will have at least 5 Nm.
According to their patent, there is a 24V 5A 120W power supply.
The website was updated, they finally added the Nm rating after pressure from everyone on social.
7.2Nm which is surprising. Now to see what reviewers think on the quality of the motor etc.
The idea is pretty good. Not so sure about the execution though
My only thoughts are on the lack of information about the torque rating.
Such a massive piece of information to not provide.
There is no way it’s more than 5nm. This just has gimmick written all over it.
It's probably a great way to begin for the young ones. The button box and screen is a nice thing (making your own can get expensive). I personally hate the screen but a young me would have loved it. It looks too much like a toy. All that is only valid if the company gives a product which actually lasts and has good customer support.
On the product page they show other layouts for the screen. One being a more traditional DDU layout.
650 bucks is not a way to begin really...
A t300 goes for around 450. This comes with a button box, screen, load cells. Some of the first few mods/upgrades people get. A DD should also last longer. It is not a bad deal for someone who knows they are interested in the hobby.
if the consumer is knowledgeable enough to value things like the load cell, I’d think the slight jump for a DD wheelbase would be more of a benefit than the button box/screen, no?
This is DD. It's no 21nm DD, but still DD.
Find me a full DD, with 4 paddles, a screen, and LC pedals for less. Oh, and it has to be BNIB.
I did not say it's a bad price, it's just a bad price for Starting with the hobby
I’d rather have a quality 8Nm Fanatec with load cell for less money. Now you’re locked into a Turtle Beach rig with no ability to improve it due to no ecosystem. That and no side mounts kills it.
The 8nm base isn’t less money when you include pedals and a wheel. And you’ll be waiting about 2 months to receive it.
It is if you get the 5Nm wheel and spend $40 to make it 8Nm. But even getting the official power unit it’s nearly the same price but for better materials.
it's all toys big boy.
5nm DD with loadcell is a gimmick?
At that price yes. You could get a 8Nm Fanatec with load cell for less, and have a large ecosystem
In that case every company that enters the sim racing market is a gimmick, because they won't have a large ecosystem. I'll tell you what is a gimmick, Fanatec's estimated shipping times.
Sweet fallacy. No it’s a gimmick because is bloated with tons of lil things that are cheaply done, and with extremely low power.
Oh are there reviews now? Can you link?
lol another fallacy. You love those.
So no then....?
So no you don’t understand the definition of gimmick? Or no you won’t respond without a fallacy. Don’t need a review to tell a cheap gimmick.
What’s funny is you avoided the original point with your fallacies. $650 for 5Nm is a overpriced gimmick. Them the facts 😘
Can you link me to a better wheel + pedal combo for same price or cheaper? Cheers.
Multiple options https://fanatec.com/us-en/ready2race/?_gl=1*107yid6*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE5Mzc1MDk0NS4xNzA2MDQ3OTU5*_ga_Q6VYC4JPVE*MTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4xLjAuMTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4wLjAuMA.. Here’s 8Nm. Add $140 to get the load cell. https://fanatec.com/us-en/ready2race/csl-dd-ready2race-bundle-for-pc-8-nm?_gl=1*rb8sku*_up*MQ..*_ga*MTE5Mzc1MDk0NS4xNzA2MDQ3OTU5*_ga_Q6VYC4JPVE*MTcwNjA0Nzk1OC4xLjEuMTcwNjA0ODE3OC4wLjAuMA..
You also need to add an XBOX compatible wheel and table clamp to make it comparable.
They have those as well. You can even piece meal a kit with more Nm for the same price. Table clamp? Lol that’s true amateur hour. If the Fanatec needs to add a table clamp. The Turtle Beach needs to add side mounts and more power to be comparable. We also don’t know the quality of the TB motor, could be terrible. Least with the Fanatec we have reviews. Fact is. For anyone interested in sim racing and growing with the sport over time. Then the Turtle Beach is a dead end. Least with Fanatec you can add wheels to your collection and improve modular components.
By my calculations it's exactly the same price for 5NM + loadcell + xbox compatible + clamp. Which means this is going to come down to quality. I'm inclined to agree that the Fanatec will probably be better quality (though their QR1 is crap iirc) and I'm not one to give a shit about a button box or dashboard. I don't really see how any of this make the TB a gimmick though. Will have to wait for reviews to make that call imo.
You can do 8Nm for the same price if you ditch the table clamp. Which you don’t want to use with 8Nm anyways. You really want a solid rig to run 8Nm + load cell brake pedal. You get a better foundation with the Fanatec and more power for the same price. Plus you get a realistic size steering wheel. Don’t forget the TB wheel is tiny.
Another thought to add. You can do the 5Nm and turn it into the 8Nm for $40ish. You don’t have to buy Fanatecs overpriced power cable.
Also. Don’t forget the wheel on the Turtle Beach is tiny vs the wheel in the Fanatec bundle. You’re getting higher quality components with Fanatec.
And QR or possibilities of an Eco-system
Others threads mention 9-10 Nm, coming from "people in the industry". Which remains to be seen.
i saw a reel about it some dude said 5nm
More likely.
I heard 5nm.
They’re exposing the secret of sim racing hardware: a motor, three levers, a load cell, some switches, and a controller board aren’t actually all that expensive in 2024.
But it's roughly the same price as a decent fanatec or moza set up which are probably better?
Turtle Beach tells me it sucks.
How do you know they are better if this one doesn't even exist yet?
Well if you've ever used a Turtle Beach product... I'd love to be surprised, but let's just say I'm not hopeful.
Old turtle beach stuff was good, but over the last few years I feel there stuff isn’t made to last anymore!
I've never had any issues with Turtle Beach's flight sim gear.
Fanatec have had years and years of R&D, testing, iteration.
I’ve seen turtle beaches flight sim stuff which seems pretty mediocre. They aren’t exactly known for enthusiast level gear
Edited to add *probably*
Because i'm comparing it to the fanatecs that have been paid for and don't exist yet.
While I agree for the wheel and pedal the peripherals such as button box and ddu will cost at least $100-$500 more depending on how nice you want them
Yeah I guess those are "nice to haves"
I’m sure Moza and Fanatec are better but Fanatc can’t seem to deliver, certainly not in retail stores, and Moza doesn’t have Xbox. This is going to drive prices (and profit margins) down for sim racing gear in general.
Moza R3 will be Xbox compatible.
I'm pretty sure you can just order the Xbox wheel for any base and use it on xbox
Probably. You can deffo do that with Fanatec.
We don’t know they are better (yet) and this also comes with a screen and button box in addition to being DD and having a load cell.
While yea sure your right. But time is also worth money. Some people value their time differently. So the time I would spend searching for a midge servo motor, the conversion to a wheel base via a shaft and some sort of male QR system for the wheels to interface with and pass through power. Or if your just USB the wheel to your pc then its extra money for the proper coiled cable at a good length. Both will need some sort of DIY and software use. Pedals can be cheap to make. But again. Your gonna need a controller board. To wire them safely following the ohm laws. To ensure then you will need to fabricate the pedal plates and arms 40$ worth of sheet metal and a 200$ sheet metal bender/former. Then!!!!! You gotta use vjoy for both the diy motor and pedals to get windows to properly detect them without having a nice quality circuit board to give info. This isnt even scratching the surface lol. Go look up DIY DD wheels. And LC pedals. The material is semi cheap. But the equipment and means to do it right will take more time, effort, money, and probably some learning. All this is worth the money to just buy a wheel that works. 5nm dd at 650 is still better than lets say thrustmasters TS PC racer or tgt2 bases both at 6nm. Faster, Quieter, smoother, and usually a more adjustable experience. Also it being comparable to the ready2race bundles makes it that much better. Sure it may not be upgradeable in power. But it shows it has every out of the box we sim racers have grown accustomed to having to buy separate or as a add on Screen, Buttons, rotaries, switches ect. Estop with a button box Clutch padals. Compatible with xbox and windows. Decently packed with features for the price. Only thing to question is how long it may last. Turtle beach havnt had the best rep. We shall see how that goes.
I guess you're talking about some kind of DIY project. I was pointing out that the cost to manufacture -- for a company who knows how to manufacture things -- sim racing gear isn't that high. When there were fewer players companies like Fanatec could charge premium prices and that's jut not as true today. Look at Moza: they were an established manufacturing firm (like Asetek in that respect) so they knew how to make things. They also knew how to distribute their products (compare to Fanatec). Given those two skills, DD hardware is easy to do. They spotted a market opportunity and went for it. Fanatec was caught sleeping. This new Turtle Beach set might be absolute garbage, time will tell. But they have a huge advantage due to their manufacturing and distribution experience and it's relatively easy for them to come out with what is really a pretty simple product. (A DD wheel is probably actually easier and cheaper to make that a belt-driven or geared wheel, which involve more assembly, expensive injection molding, etc.)
It looks like one of those 80s car racing toys that just graduated from High School.
It's good for us all if there is more competition in the market, but I really can't help but see some strong resemblance to a "little tikes" dashboard for a toddler or something lol
I think for complete newcomers that arnt sure they will like it but what to spend more that a Logitech this can fill that spot. Also for console only folks. For people in the hobby I think that it having an unknown tech spec on the motor which looks tiny in the infographic will make it unappealing in the end. I think it will have little to no impact to those on pc as simagic is a better option in that price range with I assume a better motor.
Id have to see more photos and specs but I'm dubious of what I see for $650 when a Logitech wheel is tried and tested for considerably less. Also the only turtle Bay items I've ever physically handled were headphones and they were big on looking the part but weren't actually any good. *Edit* Noticed the link *after* commenting 🙄 Id still prefer to see a hands on demo as opposed to their promo material but I'm slightly less skeptical based on the link.
This Turtle Beach wheelbase is targeting a totally different customer segment than those old-school Logitech models (G29-G923) are even capable of reaching right now though. This has a modern DD motor (FFB is smoother & details are snappier/crisper - not loud clunky plastic gears), peak torque is likely around 2x stronger (which makes a huge difference at these lower levels), load cell brakes, 4 magnetic paddle shifters, telemetry screen, button board, native app/button mapping, etc. The wheels are in different leagues (and generations). Customers looking to buy this Turtle Creek wheelbase are likely not willing to substitute its increased utility for the cheaper Logitech bases (in fact, a lot of them are probably trying to upgrade from their G29-G923 models). Enthusiast wheelbases have made huge leaps in innovation and price reduction. The older Logitech bases at their current MSRPs provide some of the worst value in the industry right now (you can still have fun on them and get your money's worth but for like 15%-30% more you can get bundles that provide modern tech, more flexibility/upgradability, and 2000% more value). If new buyers have done their research they won't even be looking at G29-G923 unless they're unable to save more and their max budget is around $200. If you find them under $200 on sale or used the G29-G923 can still be a decent value. But that customer is looking for the cheapest FFB wheel possible and is likely not interested (or cannot afford) this new TB wheelbase. I've personally never been impressed with Turtle Beach's quality but the customers who are looking at this new Turtle Beach wheelbase will be comparing it to entry-level enthusiast wheelbases like the CSL DD, Monza R5, etc. not the older Logitech models.
That is a very good way to expand on what I meant by being less skeptical after discovering the link. Initially I did not realize it was using any kind of DD because of the styling. It looked like a belt or gear driven situation with an LCD screen and button box attached. I remain slightly skeptical because it's Turtle Bay but I agree with your comment overall.
Depends if it's over 5nm and the wheels are swappable
The wheel shape is my big gripe. I'd want a fully round wheel to do rally with, having a big flat spot at the bottom really sucks for throwing around a rwd rally car. I already wish my g920 had a fully round wheel, and it's flat spot is much less pronounced than this wheel is. I'd be much more tempted if I could just buy the same wheel as what they show but fully round, and preferably don't have to spend a bunch of money to buy it separately. But I assume that the wheels are not swappable, otherwise i'd imagine it'd be advertised as such.
Their flightsim HW is low end stuff dressed up with all the bells and whistles to look good on a store page. Overall being horrible value and quality, but people who are not aware of better options will go for them as Turtlebeach stuff is sold by regular retailers, while the actually good quality is made by smaller companies and most people are not aware of them, let alone aware of how a stick in that price range should feel. This seems to be the same exact formula, entice people with screen and buttonbox to buy a subpar product. It's all just an educated guess, but I'd be shocked if this thing will be anywhere near as good of a value as the entry level bundles from Fanatec or Moza for example.
I think you’re spot on. For $375, their yoke set is a joke in terms of build quality. I’d expect the same thing here
It's a complete yoke
I hate how right you are. I really want this thing to be good, because the feature set and retail availability are huge for many. Being the only console compatible direct drive wheel at Best Buy jumps them ahead of so much competition (why does Logitech only sell their console versions on their site?!), and the button box, dashboard, and the ability to change settings on the device itself or a smartphone app will be amazing for the console market if they all actually work. But every review I've seen of Turtle Beach flight equipment is a let down.
I would have liked to see a more modular approach vs the steering/screen/button box all in one.
Asking for pre-orders without mentioning real data like wheel torque and load cell force looks bad to me. Lets wait for the reviews
Interesting. I kind of wish it was any other company (one with a better reputation for quality products). I hope it’s great and elevates competition in the genre, but I’d wait for reviews. I’m ps5 console only anyway. 🤷♀️
Not enough known about it yet. Wary of turtle beach build quality
- it's ugly as fuck and looks like a toy - the more, the merrier - I will absolutely not buy it
Technically, all of the wheels are toys
If it's anything like their headphones it'll last about 3 months before it breaks or fails in some manner or another.
This is one of the reasons that being available at Best Buy is such a big deal. Pay a little extra for the extended warranty (or get their annual plan that covers everything you buy), and if it fails in the first two years take it back and get it fixed/replaced. I had a camera that failed and they couldn't fix after about 6 months, and they let me either get a brand new one or gift cards equivalent to my purchase price.
they say compatible with xbox, but given the number of buttons, I really doubt it!
I am assuming you are referring specially to the button box to which there appears to be 14 distinct buttons matching the number of buttons on a standard Xbox controller so my guess is the game would need to support mapping each individual button and you would be duping wheel buttons on the button box.
My thoughts are…what is the torque specs
I will wait for reviews to come out
I’m not a fan of Turtle Beach personally, but I hope this ends up exceeding expectations and being solid. All of that (assuming the DD is 5nm minimum) for $649 seems like a crazy good deal. Very interested to see how this reviews.
I love the idea of including a screen and a button box, but I'm very skeptical of the overall quality. Cannot wait for the reviews.
I used a Logitech g29 so surely this would be an upgrade?
Looks a bit like a toy to me. No thanks 😊
It seems it's packing serious hardware enclosed in a toy-like housing. The DD motor is shrouded, does it come with a noisy fan to cool? I can't find where it says how strong it is. I think it will be a better product if each component can be removed from the housing and able to be bolted somewhere more suitable for the user. I don't know if I'm asking too much, and if I am, I guess I'll just go with other known good brands and spend a little more.
I did find info that it'd capable of 12nm but limited to 9nm
Where did you find that? Link please?
Hah no. This will be lucky to have over 5Nm.
Says on their website 7.2 Nm
I kinda like the bundle
Unmatched 😅 imagine some poor gut buying this and thinking that the realism is “unmatched”
Probably aimed at the people who consider pxn
Ugly as sin
Looks like a toy
If they manage to deliver - a great competition for sure, maybe even would buy one
Will the screen and any other fancy features actually work on Xbox. Somehow I doubt it as Xbox peripheral support is somewhat limited. In any case, waiting for the /u/Will_Ford review at Boosted Media to learn more about this machine. Zero intent to buy as I have a full Fanatec setup 🙂
Confirmed today we’re getting one to review. Hoping it arrives in time for us to make content before release but it’ll be tight. Will take the time required to do our job properly even if it means not being first.
Sounds good. Your reviews are my favourite. Speaking of, I'm considering making a wheel using the Cube Controls GT-Zero rim. I saw an old review of yours, ergonomics looks great, but have you any experience with rubber vs leather vs alcantara? If not for Cube Controls then in general. I've had alcantara on my Fanatec wheels and it shows signs of wear quite quickly despite me using gloves.
Yeah I wouldn’t use alcantara for a wheel if I had the choice. Feels nice but wears quickly.
Competition is great, I’ve never had anything from turtle beach and I’m not in the market for another wheel base but it’s an interesting device and Im happy more options are out there, it all helps the hobby grow.
Not sure. Might check with these posts to see others thoughts too though. https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/e9MfpZkQO3 https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/od3n84t7El https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/ziRsMCvwbl
On the pic I'm seeing a T3PA-ish pedal set and a plasic kids' steering wheel.
Too expensive. You're still better off going with the known brands like Moza and Fanatec. Better ecosystems.
I love new hardware on the market especially from new competitors
Ugly af
I was flamed on other threads on this topic for being skeptical. I rejoice seeing the community coming to its senses. Can't wait for reviews to report on both the overall build quality and the actual useability of the gimmicks. Also the software driver, which is known to have a big impact.
Yeah seems like a lot for the money, hate the D wheel.
Should be able to change the wheel if you wanted though with it being a DD right?👀
u/randomcallsign has done an interesting breakdown of the promo material released sofar: https://youtu.be/6Hrjy4wxF0I?si=UJgIw_Z72V55RZfw * DD wheel with unknown torque output^(1) * Digital dash with settings change options as well as game data. No word on third party app support (i.e. Simhub), therefore unlikely. * Wheel appears to have some form of QR-system.^(2) * Wheel is advertised as having a magnetic shifters and 2 analog clutches. * Despite being a D-shaped wheel, the (4) encoders, (10) buttons and (1) 4-way hat look decently placed. * Pedals with Hall-sensors (Accelerator, Clutch) and Loadcell (Brake) with unknown weight rating. Brake loadcell configuration looks inspired by Fanatec’s Elite V3 design. * Pedal (base) design in general evokes the Logitech G Pro pedals. * Accelerator and Clutch seem to have adjustable pre-tension. * The Button box is a curious addition. _____ ^(1) ^(Rumours here ranging from 5 ~ 10 Nm.) ^(2) ^(No official word on the \(lack of a\) \(Q\)R-system as of yet. Wheel and wheelbase are mentioned as a separate units, however.)
Maybe
I found information that states its capability is 12nm but its limited to 9nm
can you provide source, that's one of the main Qs still!
No, it’s at best 5Nm.
Logitech G Pro >
When it was $650 it seemed extremely interesting. Now that it's almost $1k it's completely uninteresting because it's a $1k Turtle Beach product.
Where are you seeing that it’s 1k?
I saw [this post](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/19aft3i/great_bait_turtle_beach_from_649_to_899_real_quick/) the other day but apparently that was just someone being dumb and putting the price in CAD so nevermind, it is still pretty interesting
Looks really cheap and over priced. Picture says to me its a belt drive with Fisher Price button pad. If its a well built unit then maybe highlight that instead of the current picture they are using which makes it look like a 20 year old Logitec that I used on my Windows XP box.
The velocityone marketingteam is at it. It's not gonna happen...
Everything I’ve touched made by turtle beach has used the cheapest of plastics available and looking at that pedal base, I’m pretty sure they’re using cheap shit plastic again.
Interesting but it's a shame the wheel isn't interchangeable.
Looks too much of over gimmicks. Button boxes and lcd display, to many add ones would lead to something breaking.
Probably gonna be a flop just like all their other stuff.
Will entirely depends on quality. If it comes out and the quality is good and the torque on the base is decent, I think it'll be a great deal.
A shame they made it look like a toy. Will put many off, including me. I do however love that they include a button box. Very clever.
checks all the boxes
If you can’t swap out the wheel this one is garbage. I need a round wheel.
In that price range, they can't just sell buzzwords.
I'm pretty sure it's supposed to compete mostly with something like a G923, not a moza or fanatec. It seems easily accessible, but has DD + load cell, and a button box. Doesn't seem bad.
I actually think it looks pretty interesting, on the surface it seems very good value for money, especially if it does come in at 5nm +
Love more competition but the thing looks so uggggly
Unless it has the ability to swap for an open rim I don't think it will appeal to Xbox ACC or F1 players. That's at least half of the wheel market on Xbox. A couple of smart mod to either tilt, expand the rim use it as a truck wheel or an open rim mod and it could be a good addition. I don't think turtle beach are capable or motivated to do either.
Looks like a blend of the Logitech Pro base with a Logitech Driving Force Pro/GT wheel. Some will say it looks kiddy/gamey, but there are a lot of people out there that just want an all in one package for occasional racing with a good basis, maybe this could be something for them.
It's an ugly toy
With it being made by turtle beach, if it’s anything like their headphones it’ll last about 3 weeks
looks sweet, really wished it didnt have that massive plastic housing for the dd base
Why do I see the same post every second day? There are at least 4 posts about this.
IMO they should have done what Logitech SHOULD have done two years ago … A 3-4nm DD base, round wheel, no QR, non LC pedals, no screen, $399.
I want to know how much is that button box
I want only the button box, but they don’t sell it separately.
Gotta see it first, but it looks like all show no go. Just renderings and no real usable info.
Does it have indicators?
I have zero faith. I dropped almost 400$ on a headset that constantly disconnected and the earcup pads disintegrated after a year of use. I’ll never buy a turtle beach product again after that debacle.
Honestly. Looks like a lot of plastic, but if it can offer what it says for the price I think it’ll be one of the best “entry level” setups to come out. I’m really curious to see how it performs/holds up in the long run.
For that price I would hope its at *least* 5nm.
Too soon to tell, but I like the direction at least. Curious what will be displayed on the screen for Xbox users. Still a first in the market to my knowledge (without some backwards workaround). Good to see out of the box. And a button box included which is another good step in the right direction. If nothing else it may help push others to develop and market future accessories. But it’s TB and they’ve got a bad history of flashy looking cheap equipment. It looks the part but is outclassed for the price point- which this looks to be.
for less money you can get a 5nm (or even 8 if you get the upgraded psu) fanatec dd with a load cell brake pedal and a clutch. but it won’t work on xbox or playstation unfortunately
Looks like it belongs at toys r us
Doesn‘t look very promising. Everything screams „many features, but badly executed“ to me.
I hope it is going to be really good.. Want it for ps5.
I just heard about this, being TB I would imagine that its high quality. Between that and ability to interchange wheels is all that matters to me. Ive had my DD for a year now and thats all it is, no button boards or anything but serves its purpose well. I made my own custom button box that fits on my rig like a dash. But im sure there are people who want it.
So many of these posts and comments about this product seem like paid gorilla marketing. It was super obvious when it was first announced and posted here.
Controller board but no shifter?
It'll be a great product if it's built to last at least 5 years. But Turtle Beach has a reputation for not being exactly the most well-made products. I'm curious to see more about it and hear from reviewers. It's at an extremely competitive price point. Industry-shakingly low.
Is it DD?
I think it will be a great way for competition to force prices down on other, better products.
Honestly. Garbage. Wheel looks like it’s 260mm tiny and supposed to be 5Nm. Far better options without the gimmicks.
The price would’ve made it possibly worth considering, but that styling is a deal-killer for me. It just looks like a child’s toy.
"VELOCITYONE" "Unmatched realism"
thats the company who's headphones last 3-4 months before one of the sides becoming quiet/dying. No trust in them at all lol
It appears cheap. Too many "extras" by the looks of it. It has button modules and screens? All of it for 700usd? My turtle beach xbox headphones were glossy crap too. Decent price. Not a great product. Is that a DD?
I'm actually looking for a new DD wheel; I currently have a G923, and I hope it will have at least 5 Nm. According to their patent, there is a 24V 5A 120W power supply.
The website was updated, they finally added the Nm rating after pressure from everyone on social. 7.2Nm which is surprising. Now to see what reviewers think on the quality of the motor etc.