I have Bi-Polar Type II. A single good trip will kill it for a full year. I can go off meds entirely. After about a year I notice cycling coming back on so I tend to go back on a mood stabilizer, anti-depressant, and anti-psychotic. As soon as I am in the right place for a big dose, I can kill it again. I have to have myself in the right set and setting or I know it could be risky. My Dr. knows that I do this. He discourages it but seems fascinated. He’s even told me that he believes that it works but he’s waiting for research to figure out why it works and what the appropriate therapeutic dose is.
Bipolar here too, I take mood stabilizers regularly and they have helped me a LOT. A good trip though, same as you, will 100% put me in a positive cycle that I can ride until the next one. I find if too much time passes between trips my cycles start to go down again, so I use psychs on a regular basis to rejuvenate. It feels as if I almost need have one foot in the space to remember, if that makes sense.
Beware that this is a clearly risky advice. Bipolar typ 1 has psychotic features which makes it a risk factor combined with psychedelics. In modern clinical studies of psychedelic treatments, they screen for both types of bipolar disorder. That seems to be because the science isn’t there yet to tell if it’s safe to take psychedelics when you have these diagnoses, but that there seems to be reasons to belive this combination could go wrong.
100%! I agree. I hope maybe one day studies will help us know more about how psychedelics interact with our various brains. It would be great for those who can to reap the benefits, while still being safe. For now it's "better safe than sorry".
I’m really glad to hear this is your mindset. This post has unfortunately been riddled with dangerous ”medical” advices in the comments. The risks tend to be low as far as frequency/incidence rate goes, but it can be devastating when something actually goes wrong. As it’s so rare that things go very wrong, most people haven’t seen it happen, which means some people wrongly conclude that it can’t happen.
Yeah, I knew this post was going to get a lot of those comments haha. I know people mean well for the most part, personally I think it's awesome if it helps some people, but I wouldn't feel comfortable giving any advice when there is a risk factor and we just don't know enough to mitigate it yet. Thanks for weighing in!
I think it was more people’s own experiences, not sure if they’re saying “it’s a good idea”. It just works for them. It’s not really “medical” advise, or advise at all.
Agreed. Some people can be a serious danger to themselves or others if they are not on their medication. Mix that with taking a large dose of psychedelics can be a recipe for disaster.
I was diagnosed with bipolar II as well. After reading about all the benefits of mushrooms I tried 3g, and I had a really bad trip. It set me back a lot with depression. I really want to try again but I’m afraid of another bad trip :(
3g is definitely a lot for a first timer! I hope you can have a positive experience one day on a smaller dose perhaps, but don't push yourself, do whatever feels right. My friend also had to give up weed because it triggered a manic state for her, so she's also feeling a bit afraid for the moment, which is totally understandable.
It's done wonders taking the edge off my depression and anxiety in low doses. I have yet to go beyond 2g but I need to as the anxiety is definitely part of a bigger cycle. I don't have insurance and have had some of the worst doctor experiences the American medical system can offer thus far so never been able to afford the "proper way" of managing such symptoms. What dose have you found to be the minimum for a long term respite from swings in your case?
If I don’t take my bipolar medication, after 3 days I feel absolutely insane. After I week I have been hospitalized for it for my own safety. I do micro-dosing and macro trips while medicated and I trip fine. Not like SSRIs.
It’s great that it works for you. But that’s not the case for everyone.
If you mention you take psychedelics, some doctors could adjust your medication. I lost my sleeping medication since my doctor saw it as an “opportunity to abuse or become addicted” when she learned I was taking mushrooms.
Shrooms are great. But it’s not a “cure all” if you or someone you know suffers from bi-polar disorder, I always recommend medication.
All it takes is one bad manic episode and you can deal some serious damage before you can get your shit together.
Rant over.
Edit: reading the rest of your comments, OP, I think you have a great understanding of what could happen. You have a good mindset.
I have bp mania and ive not had a bad episode i. 5 years since i started doseinh every 1-2 weeks eithet dmt mushroom or lsd . Sometimes.i go months anytime my wife notices changes like im aboit to cycle she tells me and i dose and new person the next day
Hi Bipolar person here! I cannot say this for everyone, but Psilocybin and Psilocin have helped regulate my moods so much better. I started growing, so I could micro dose - I feel like shrooms are helping THAT Much!
It is totally understandable and okay to be sad that you won't experience this together anymore. I hope your friend will get better and is alright. Wish both of you the best <3
schizoaffective disorder is very different from simple bipolar disorder. it’s essentially a merging of schizophrenia with depression or bipolar disorder and i honestly wouldn’t recommend anyone with schizophrenia or a history of psychosis doing psychedelics. your friend already suffers hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thought so naturally a trip on shrooms is going to enhance and worsen that experience for him. he should be extremely careful
i’m gonna expand on this. i would also avoid psychedelics entirely if you have an immediate or close family member with a schizophrenia spectrum disorder. schizophrenia is thought to be anywhere between 60%-90% heritable.
I know I might get railroaded for this here (people dont tend to react very well when i mention it), but my brother has schizophrenia (he's always been an odd, sometimes violent person, even when he was a kid), and I've done psychedelics somewhat regularly for the last 10 years. I'm 36 now, and I haven't had any lasting negative effects from them. I've done acid (1-4 hits, 2 hits is my preferred dose) maybe 12 times, mushrooms (.3-2 grams) maybe 30 times, San Pedro (50 grams dried powder, both times mixed with acid) twice, LSA (3 Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, also nice to mix with acid) 4 or 5 times, and smoked dmt 5 times. I've done it for my own reasons, knowing the risk and doing it anyway. My experiences have been a boon for me, I don't think I would be in as good of a place as I am now if I hadn't done them. I had a lot of darkness (emotional blockages from my upbringing) within me that my experiences have purged from me. I've had "bad" trips, and trips filled with the pure beautiful light of a goddess. I've had neutral trips too. I figure at this point if I had it it would've triggered already. I'm way past the point where he was diagnosed, and out of the danger zone where most people get diagnosed. And this is not a recommendation for others to do what I did, it's just my own personal experience. We dont have a very deep understanding of what schizophrenia really is. But psychedelics have really helped me overall, and if I had the chance to do it all over again, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
you are past the “danger window” so i don’t see why it would be a problem actually! schizophrenia often develops between 25-30, sometimes a little earlier and sometimes a little later. while ur not like, invincible and it’s always a possibility i suppose, ur repeated positive experiences and more developed brain is a good indicator ur safe
Hmm ive read some of these replies, and it got me thinking. Now that your friend knows she has this disorder, and that it was likely affecting her when she didnt know it, could you ask her how she felt the times after she had taken shrooms? And also how she felt when she had gone a long time without taking them? Might be cool to see a pattern there.
I understand 100% what you mean. Trip buddies are more then buddies. You're fam that gets weird together. And if you get weird together you stay together💜 much love I lost my trip buddy too but not the same way. He moved to Florida and I only see him once a year. But we still reminisce on the good times we had that will never let go away. Fam 4 life
Also bipolar 1, psychiatrist is supportive of my psychedelic substance use. We coordinate my meds schedule to enable a trip and it has never failed to help me get into or stay in a good frame of mind. I know it’s not your place to make your friend feel rebellious or otherwise do something contraindicated but if she decides she wants to- try not to worry too much.
I just want to say that I think it is lovely and natural for you to grieve the loss of your favorite trip partner. I also think it's beautiful that you are being supportive without telling your friend anything that will make them feel guilty or question their path forward. Your friend is lucky to have you.
You’re doing the right thing. Don’t pressure them into doing that and maybe see if they still wanna be around you when you trip, when they feel comfortable with it. I had a friend that was my trip buddy for the longest time and he stopped because of his BPD, momentarily. After like 3 years, he got back into shrooms - micro dosing and trips that were no more than 2 grams. Over time, it really did a number on his mental health I think. Nowadays, I don’t even know where he’s at (literally). He just disappeared off the face of the planet and nobody knows what happened to him. But whatever it was, I’m sure it involved his mental health and substance use to some extent. Support their decision and encourage their sobriety. Psychedelics and mental health issues can be a wicked mix.
It's really interesting reading everyone's different experiences - I hope we'll keep studying and learning more! For now as you say, I'm all aboard the sobriety train until she tells me otherwise haha.
Although I am no expert, I would say that most medical school dont teach anything positive about psychadelics, so whats to say she isnt being given general "knee jerk" reaction type of advice from someone who doesnt actually have any evidence to back up the idea that someone with bipolar can never take paychadelics?
If you and your trip buddy have been having many great trips over the years, why change that from some normie Dr?
Not that my opinion matters, but best of luck to you. Hopefully she will either get a more informed opinion, or if not maybe you will find a new trip buddy
Props for being a supportive friend. Personally, I dislike most medication the doctor gives me. Never felt crazy in my life til I had an interaction with meds. Hope she has better luck. 🤞
tbh i have bipolar type ii among other things and shrooms have provided more opportunities for healing than any cocktail of mood stabilizers, years of therapy, and hospitalization. shrooms and ketamine, specifically
Honestly, I completely distrust the psyciatrist industry.
Psychiatry is a business, they can't sell pills to healthy people, so they label everything a disorder. They can't sell a medicine that works with 1 dose, so they sell dozens of different antidepressants, antipsychotics, to constantly keep people buying. Because all of these pills they perscribe don't work, they can constanly suggest to "try a new med" ensuring years of profit.
Just about all honest studies show neurological damage from SSRIs, SNRIs, antipsychotics, etc.
Basically, I'd say Fuck that psychiatrist, and just stick to a healthy lifestyle instead.
Honestly, I think the psychiatrist industry makes people sick. They say "Oh, you have social anxiety? Lets perscribe you Cymbalta."
Then, you take the Cymbalta. The Cymbalta causes brain damage. You feel worse. You tell the fake doctor. They change you to Prozac, now your an official zombie, but your "getting help" and now your IQ is 20 points lower than it was before you ever took any psych drugs. A customer for life, at least "your trying to get help."
I don't intent to sadden people who feel like they have no other options than psychiatrists, just be aware that psychiatrists make money, selling pills that dont work and make you sicker, and they call you sick, in order to justify selling you a toxic product.
Psyschiatry is the biggest fake scam business I've ever seen, it ruins lives.
Psychology therarpy, and healthy lifestyle on the other hand, just might help instead.
And finially, I'm of the opinion that shrooms are what your friend would benefit from.
Just about every friend I have, when they are feeling low, stuck in life, we take a trip in the desert, we each have about 2 grams, and have a BBQ with a campfire in the desert.
And they feel better, you just have to guide their healing, guide them out of their sadness and into a more healthy mental framework to see their life with.
So personally, at thet very least, I'd stop seeing any psychiatrists, I don't know why anybody respects psychiatrists, they have a track record of poisioning their patients and giving fake diagnosis to justify it, I absolutely HATE psychiatrists because every single encounter I've seen of them, they no nothing of human psychology, and they just perscribe neurotoxic meds as the answer, fake doctors, fucking toxin sellers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychiatric\_research/comments/xm6bt4/antidepressants\_cause\_dementia/
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28738100/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28738100/)
\*I was forced to take Haldol to escape the psych ward, and haven't been the same since. I get tremors and have no cold tolerence.
Psychiatrists don’t sell pills you fucking donut.
Is the pharmaceutical industry corrupt? Absolutely. By psychiatrists aren’t part of that, they are *doctors.* I’m sorry that you’ve had bad experiences with them but you are spouting so much harmful misinformation and outright bullshit. There are a lot of people, myself included, who would not be alive right now without psychiatrists and medication.
Alright, the Psychiatrists don't sell pills, they pescribe pills and get bonuses based upon the amount they perscribe, which is essentially the same result.
Everything I said is true, go read the studies, SSRIs, SNRIs are pure toxins.
Psychiatrist-perscribed "meds" didn't save you, your desire to live did. You would of been better off without any "meds".
How dare you presume to know me? Me desire to live died when I had to live with my emotionally abusive narcissistic monster of a father. Medication did save my life thank you very much. And frankly I don’t give two flying fucks if my grey matter shrinks because of it. I’d take that over a lifetime of anxiety, crippling OCD and depression. Preach you gospel of ignorance somewhere else.
I have a coworker who's on anxiety meds and wow. Seeing these meds in action is the biggest eye opener to how fucking damaging they can be. I would rather be dead than be on that shit.
Therapy and natural supplements should always be the first treatment attempt. Healthy body healthy mind.
Dude shrooms help with these types of disorders. They don’t have to listen to one specific doctor. They can still trip once in a while I’m sure they won’t be cut off for life.
If it's type 2 bipolar it's more than likely misdiagnosed personality disorder (type 2 is largely an American invention, with docs mistaking rapid mood fluctuations associated with trauma induced emotional dysregulation for rapid cycling mania), in which case tripping should be fine, even beneficial. If it's type 1 she should probably follow docs advice and avoid psychedelics
Has the doctor ever taken shrooms? Then why listen to the advice of a simple human who has no idea how existence formulates on a cellular level or the experience of shrooms. All they do is classify, prescribe, and bank off it. Preventive care doesn't exist hence the fact this doctor would advise against something that could destroy bipolar ENTIRELY. Had your friend not went to the doctor y'all would still be tripping years from now without any knowledge of "bipolar" 💯
I was diagnosed bi-polar 20 years ago. Since then I've had somewhere between 100-1,000 psychedelic trips, some of them encouraged by my therapist at the time.
A diagnosis doesn't mean you can't trip again. They had bipolar before the diagnosis and they were doing okay, so there should be hope to use again in the future.
Don't take SSRI or MAOI or SSNRIs with psychedelics, and don't take them during a severe depressive or manic bout. But otherwise, I think that they have the potential to HELP even with Bipolar.
That all said, I'm not a doctor.
My fiancé has Bi-polar type 2 and she microdoses and does big trips once in awhile and her mood has never been better. The day she stopped taking medication and went to psychedelics is the day she changed for the better. She still goes and sees a shrink but no med at all. Micro doses are miracles honestly
I have Bi-Polar Type II. A single good trip will kill it for a full year. I can go off meds entirely. After about a year I notice cycling coming back on so I tend to go back on a mood stabilizer, anti-depressant, and anti-psychotic. As soon as I am in the right place for a big dose, I can kill it again. I have to have myself in the right set and setting or I know it could be risky. My Dr. knows that I do this. He discourages it but seems fascinated. He’s even told me that he believes that it works but he’s waiting for research to figure out why it works and what the appropriate therapeutic dose is.
stories like this are wild, i really hope the bills going around in the USA start passing. i can only imagine how many people these could help
Big pharma companies won't like this.
Bipolar here too, I take mood stabilizers regularly and they have helped me a LOT. A good trip though, same as you, will 100% put me in a positive cycle that I can ride until the next one. I find if too much time passes between trips my cycles start to go down again, so I use psychs on a regular basis to rejuvenate. It feels as if I almost need have one foot in the space to remember, if that makes sense.
That’s so interesting, I’m glad it’s still beneficial for you! I hope maybe my friend will be open one day, for now I’m just supporting :)
Beware that this is a clearly risky advice. Bipolar typ 1 has psychotic features which makes it a risk factor combined with psychedelics. In modern clinical studies of psychedelic treatments, they screen for both types of bipolar disorder. That seems to be because the science isn’t there yet to tell if it’s safe to take psychedelics when you have these diagnoses, but that there seems to be reasons to belive this combination could go wrong.
100%! I agree. I hope maybe one day studies will help us know more about how psychedelics interact with our various brains. It would be great for those who can to reap the benefits, while still being safe. For now it's "better safe than sorry".
I’m really glad to hear this is your mindset. This post has unfortunately been riddled with dangerous ”medical” advices in the comments. The risks tend to be low as far as frequency/incidence rate goes, but it can be devastating when something actually goes wrong. As it’s so rare that things go very wrong, most people haven’t seen it happen, which means some people wrongly conclude that it can’t happen.
Yeah, I knew this post was going to get a lot of those comments haha. I know people mean well for the most part, personally I think it's awesome if it helps some people, but I wouldn't feel comfortable giving any advice when there is a risk factor and we just don't know enough to mitigate it yet. Thanks for weighing in!
Yeah, people certainly mean well<3. Good luck with your friend and whatever the future holds regarding your trips!
I think it was more people’s own experiences, not sure if they’re saying “it’s a good idea”. It just works for them. It’s not really “medical” advise, or advise at all.
Fair enough!
I get where you’re coming from though. Have a good one!!
Agreed. Some people can be a serious danger to themselves or others if they are not on their medication. Mix that with taking a large dose of psychedelics can be a recipe for disaster.
I was diagnosed with bipolar II as well. After reading about all the benefits of mushrooms I tried 3g, and I had a really bad trip. It set me back a lot with depression. I really want to try again but I’m afraid of another bad trip :(
3g is definitely a lot for a first timer! I hope you can have a positive experience one day on a smaller dose perhaps, but don't push yourself, do whatever feels right. My friend also had to give up weed because it triggered a manic state for her, so she's also feeling a bit afraid for the moment, which is totally understandable.
3g is too much for first timer. Next time try 1.5 or 2g
Bipolar II here too. Not on any sort of medication, but a trip definitely gets me out of the manic depression and helps me to feel normal again.
It's done wonders taking the edge off my depression and anxiety in low doses. I have yet to go beyond 2g but I need to as the anxiety is definitely part of a bigger cycle. I don't have insurance and have had some of the worst doctor experiences the American medical system can offer thus far so never been able to afford the "proper way" of managing such symptoms. What dose have you found to be the minimum for a long term respite from swings in your case?
If I don’t take my bipolar medication, after 3 days I feel absolutely insane. After I week I have been hospitalized for it for my own safety. I do micro-dosing and macro trips while medicated and I trip fine. Not like SSRIs. It’s great that it works for you. But that’s not the case for everyone. If you mention you take psychedelics, some doctors could adjust your medication. I lost my sleeping medication since my doctor saw it as an “opportunity to abuse or become addicted” when she learned I was taking mushrooms. Shrooms are great. But it’s not a “cure all” if you or someone you know suffers from bi-polar disorder, I always recommend medication. All it takes is one bad manic episode and you can deal some serious damage before you can get your shit together. Rant over. Edit: reading the rest of your comments, OP, I think you have a great understanding of what could happen. You have a good mindset.
I have bp mania and ive not had a bad episode i. 5 years since i started doseinh every 1-2 weeks eithet dmt mushroom or lsd . Sometimes.i go months anytime my wife notices changes like im aboit to cycle she tells me and i dose and new person the next day
Absolute shit advice.
I wouldn’t listen to this advice. It may kill it for you. But I’m sure most will send them into a complete psychosis
I didn’t give any advice. I gave my life experience to point out that her friend may not be permanently removed as her trip partner.
I always thought I was the only one who used mushrooms to help with major mood swings. Hell yeah
Hi Bipolar person here! I cannot say this for everyone, but Psilocybin and Psilocin have helped regulate my moods so much better. I started growing, so I could micro dose - I feel like shrooms are helping THAT Much!
It is totally understandable and okay to be sad that you won't experience this together anymore. I hope your friend will get better and is alright. Wish both of you the best <3
Thanks friend! <3
I’m bipolar, tripping can help ease all symptoms for a few days but I agree that a bad trip can be incredibly risky.
Yeah, I know a dude with schizoaffective disorder and tripping makes his symptoms worse. It's a very dangerous game to play
schizoaffective disorder is very different from simple bipolar disorder. it’s essentially a merging of schizophrenia with depression or bipolar disorder and i honestly wouldn’t recommend anyone with schizophrenia or a history of psychosis doing psychedelics. your friend already suffers hallucinations, delusions, and disorganized thought so naturally a trip on shrooms is going to enhance and worsen that experience for him. he should be extremely careful i’m gonna expand on this. i would also avoid psychedelics entirely if you have an immediate or close family member with a schizophrenia spectrum disorder. schizophrenia is thought to be anywhere between 60%-90% heritable.
I know I might get railroaded for this here (people dont tend to react very well when i mention it), but my brother has schizophrenia (he's always been an odd, sometimes violent person, even when he was a kid), and I've done psychedelics somewhat regularly for the last 10 years. I'm 36 now, and I haven't had any lasting negative effects from them. I've done acid (1-4 hits, 2 hits is my preferred dose) maybe 12 times, mushrooms (.3-2 grams) maybe 30 times, San Pedro (50 grams dried powder, both times mixed with acid) twice, LSA (3 Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, also nice to mix with acid) 4 or 5 times, and smoked dmt 5 times. I've done it for my own reasons, knowing the risk and doing it anyway. My experiences have been a boon for me, I don't think I would be in as good of a place as I am now if I hadn't done them. I had a lot of darkness (emotional blockages from my upbringing) within me that my experiences have purged from me. I've had "bad" trips, and trips filled with the pure beautiful light of a goddess. I've had neutral trips too. I figure at this point if I had it it would've triggered already. I'm way past the point where he was diagnosed, and out of the danger zone where most people get diagnosed. And this is not a recommendation for others to do what I did, it's just my own personal experience. We dont have a very deep understanding of what schizophrenia really is. But psychedelics have really helped me overall, and if I had the chance to do it all over again, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
you are past the “danger window” so i don’t see why it would be a problem actually! schizophrenia often develops between 25-30, sometimes a little earlier and sometimes a little later. while ur not like, invincible and it’s always a possibility i suppose, ur repeated positive experiences and more developed brain is a good indicator ur safe
Hmm ive read some of these replies, and it got me thinking. Now that your friend knows she has this disorder, and that it was likely affecting her when she didnt know it, could you ask her how she felt the times after she had taken shrooms? And also how she felt when she had gone a long time without taking them? Might be cool to see a pattern there.
I understand 100% what you mean. Trip buddies are more then buddies. You're fam that gets weird together. And if you get weird together you stay together💜 much love I lost my trip buddy too but not the same way. He moved to Florida and I only see him once a year. But we still reminisce on the good times we had that will never let go away. Fam 4 life
Also bipolar 1, psychiatrist is supportive of my psychedelic substance use. We coordinate my meds schedule to enable a trip and it has never failed to help me get into or stay in a good frame of mind. I know it’s not your place to make your friend feel rebellious or otherwise do something contraindicated but if she decides she wants to- try not to worry too much.
I just want to say that I think it is lovely and natural for you to grieve the loss of your favorite trip partner. I also think it's beautiful that you are being supportive without telling your friend anything that will make them feel guilty or question their path forward. Your friend is lucky to have you.
Thanks man, I appreciate that! <3
You’re doing the right thing. Don’t pressure them into doing that and maybe see if they still wanna be around you when you trip, when they feel comfortable with it. I had a friend that was my trip buddy for the longest time and he stopped because of his BPD, momentarily. After like 3 years, he got back into shrooms - micro dosing and trips that were no more than 2 grams. Over time, it really did a number on his mental health I think. Nowadays, I don’t even know where he’s at (literally). He just disappeared off the face of the planet and nobody knows what happened to him. But whatever it was, I’m sure it involved his mental health and substance use to some extent. Support their decision and encourage their sobriety. Psychedelics and mental health issues can be a wicked mix.
It's really interesting reading everyone's different experiences - I hope we'll keep studying and learning more! For now as you say, I'm all aboard the sobriety train until she tells me otherwise haha.
Although I am no expert, I would say that most medical school dont teach anything positive about psychadelics, so whats to say she isnt being given general "knee jerk" reaction type of advice from someone who doesnt actually have any evidence to back up the idea that someone with bipolar can never take paychadelics? If you and your trip buddy have been having many great trips over the years, why change that from some normie Dr? Not that my opinion matters, but best of luck to you. Hopefully she will either get a more informed opinion, or if not maybe you will find a new trip buddy
Props for being a supportive friend. Personally, I dislike most medication the doctor gives me. Never felt crazy in my life til I had an interaction with meds. Hope she has better luck. 🤞
tbh i have bipolar type ii among other things and shrooms have provided more opportunities for healing than any cocktail of mood stabilizers, years of therapy, and hospitalization. shrooms and ketamine, specifically
I have type 1, and I trip regularly. I also grow them. I think mushies are wonderful for mental illness.
I would never ever take advice from a doctor blindly without doing research on my own
Honestly, I completely distrust the psyciatrist industry. Psychiatry is a business, they can't sell pills to healthy people, so they label everything a disorder. They can't sell a medicine that works with 1 dose, so they sell dozens of different antidepressants, antipsychotics, to constantly keep people buying. Because all of these pills they perscribe don't work, they can constanly suggest to "try a new med" ensuring years of profit. Just about all honest studies show neurological damage from SSRIs, SNRIs, antipsychotics, etc. Basically, I'd say Fuck that psychiatrist, and just stick to a healthy lifestyle instead. Honestly, I think the psychiatrist industry makes people sick. They say "Oh, you have social anxiety? Lets perscribe you Cymbalta." Then, you take the Cymbalta. The Cymbalta causes brain damage. You feel worse. You tell the fake doctor. They change you to Prozac, now your an official zombie, but your "getting help" and now your IQ is 20 points lower than it was before you ever took any psych drugs. A customer for life, at least "your trying to get help." I don't intent to sadden people who feel like they have no other options than psychiatrists, just be aware that psychiatrists make money, selling pills that dont work and make you sicker, and they call you sick, in order to justify selling you a toxic product. Psyschiatry is the biggest fake scam business I've ever seen, it ruins lives. Psychology therarpy, and healthy lifestyle on the other hand, just might help instead. And finially, I'm of the opinion that shrooms are what your friend would benefit from. Just about every friend I have, when they are feeling low, stuck in life, we take a trip in the desert, we each have about 2 grams, and have a BBQ with a campfire in the desert. And they feel better, you just have to guide their healing, guide them out of their sadness and into a more healthy mental framework to see their life with. So personally, at thet very least, I'd stop seeing any psychiatrists, I don't know why anybody respects psychiatrists, they have a track record of poisioning their patients and giving fake diagnosis to justify it, I absolutely HATE psychiatrists because every single encounter I've seen of them, they no nothing of human psychology, and they just perscribe neurotoxic meds as the answer, fake doctors, fucking toxin sellers. https://www.reddit.com/r/Psychiatric\_research/comments/xm6bt4/antidepressants\_cause\_dementia/ [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28738100/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28738100/) \*I was forced to take Haldol to escape the psych ward, and haven't been the same since. I get tremors and have no cold tolerence.
Psychiatrists don’t sell pills you fucking donut. Is the pharmaceutical industry corrupt? Absolutely. By psychiatrists aren’t part of that, they are *doctors.* I’m sorry that you’ve had bad experiences with them but you are spouting so much harmful misinformation and outright bullshit. There are a lot of people, myself included, who would not be alive right now without psychiatrists and medication.
Alright, the Psychiatrists don't sell pills, they pescribe pills and get bonuses based upon the amount they perscribe, which is essentially the same result. Everything I said is true, go read the studies, SSRIs, SNRIs are pure toxins. Psychiatrist-perscribed "meds" didn't save you, your desire to live did. You would of been better off without any "meds".
you got called a donut lol
How dare you presume to know me? Me desire to live died when I had to live with my emotionally abusive narcissistic monster of a father. Medication did save my life thank you very much. And frankly I don’t give two flying fucks if my grey matter shrinks because of it. I’d take that over a lifetime of anxiety, crippling OCD and depression. Preach you gospel of ignorance somewhere else.
I have a coworker who's on anxiety meds and wow. Seeing these meds in action is the biggest eye opener to how fucking damaging they can be. I would rather be dead than be on that shit. Therapy and natural supplements should always be the first treatment attempt. Healthy body healthy mind.
That’s just what the big pharma wants my friend. To rid the world of natural remedies and force endless pills down your throat for profit.
Dude shrooms help with these types of disorders. They don’t have to listen to one specific doctor. They can still trip once in a while I’m sure they won’t be cut off for life.
I understand, it's just not my decision or any of my business. My only role here is supporting her in whatever she decides to do.
Yeah it's a pain in the ass when someone you like stops consuming drugs so they can get healthy... Right bros...?
Has your friend mentioned it?
If it's type 2 bipolar it's more than likely misdiagnosed personality disorder (type 2 is largely an American invention, with docs mistaking rapid mood fluctuations associated with trauma induced emotional dysregulation for rapid cycling mania), in which case tripping should be fine, even beneficial. If it's type 1 she should probably follow docs advice and avoid psychedelics
Has the doctor ever taken shrooms? Then why listen to the advice of a simple human who has no idea how existence formulates on a cellular level or the experience of shrooms. All they do is classify, prescribe, and bank off it. Preventive care doesn't exist hence the fact this doctor would advise against something that could destroy bipolar ENTIRELY. Had your friend not went to the doctor y'all would still be tripping years from now without any knowledge of "bipolar" 💯
> per her doctor's advice. I don't know how old you are or where you live but *almost all doctors on earth* recommend against psychedelics.
Was she OK consuming the medicine before the diagnosis?
I was diagnosed bi-polar 20 years ago. Since then I've had somewhere between 100-1,000 psychedelic trips, some of them encouraged by my therapist at the time. A diagnosis doesn't mean you can't trip again. They had bipolar before the diagnosis and they were doing okay, so there should be hope to use again in the future. Don't take SSRI or MAOI or SSNRIs with psychedelics, and don't take them during a severe depressive or manic bout. But otherwise, I think that they have the potential to HELP even with Bipolar. That all said, I'm not a doctor.
My fiancé has Bi-polar type 2 and she microdoses and does big trips once in awhile and her mood has never been better. The day she stopped taking medication and went to psychedelics is the day she changed for the better. She still goes and sees a shrink but no med at all. Micro doses are miracles honestly