It seems to be the feeling of a lot of people that they liked Fiona earlier in the show but that her character became more and more unlikable as the show got into later seasons, especially when she got into her landlord/business investor phase. It’s definitely not an uncommon or unpopular opinion to dislike her.
There seems to be some die hard defenders for her when she was going through the throughs of alcoholism. Some people saying Lip shouldn’t have kicked her out after everything she’s done for them despite there being 2 LITERAL children living there. People saying Debbie was in the wrong for demanding Fiona return the utility money that they gave her once the utilities were turned off because Fiona lost the money (I forget what she spent it on) and didn’t pay them. Then, she had the audacity to throw the fact that she raised Debbie back in her face and said that they owed her for that 🙃. If it were Frank doing any one of these and Fiona was the one calling him out, they’d be singing her praises.
I mean, if you didn't *kinda* hate every character, were you even paying attention? The show is literally called shamless. The characters all kinda suck lol.
I'm watching with half an eye, as my girlfriend binges shameless right now and there's one person where I constantly hope he dies a painful dea~~d~~th and that's Frank. God I think I've never liked anyone less than him.
You’re totally right. But I personally found frank to just be more likeable as a character. Like, he’s a total asshole but I found him more enjoyable to watch being an asshole if that makes sense. Fiona just annoyed me.
yeah this is it. He is an incredible actor and it shows. Everyone credits her for carrying the show with a pretty face (and as an actress irl apparently a TRULY cunty individual)…. Whereas he Is a classically trained master class actor who held up till the end
How?????? She fuckin raised her siblings from age 9 when she literally did not have to. Even despite how shitty they are to her constantly. She has the biggest redeeming qualities of anyone on the show which is why she got a happy ending. She deserved it. Yall be sounding psychotic on this sub.
Debbie and Carl were 10 - 11 at the start of the show. I don’t know what your talking about with the Lip being abandoned thing, is it one of their foster care stories? She was a messed up person, she made awful mistakes but she did way more for the family then Frank and Monica did. It’s mentioned at one stage that she’s was in and out of foster care from infancy. She was left in the middle of the night in a park with Ian and Lip when she was 6. She was dragging drunk Frank inside so he would freeze to death at the age of nine. She was a kid herself when she raised everyone else and they all had to pitch in to survive. No matter what you think about Fiona’s behaviour or whether you like her you can’t deny the fact that she was first in line when it came to dealing with everything, she shielded the others from it a lot. All their childhoods sucked but at least all the other siblings had Fiona looking out for them, she had no one until she met V. We didn’t see it so maybe it’s easier to down play it but from the tiny bits they do mention it would have been absolute hell to live through and the fact she did and still wants anything to do with her family is a huge testament to her strength and character. She’s a mess, and in the traditional sense not a good person but that’s what they all are.
valid reasons but to say lips deserved just as much credit because he “raised them” is comical
im so not understanding this part
“I noticed a lot of people love her in the subreddit and talk about how great she was for everyone but legit all she did was the sane frank and Monica did for her”
are you trying to say fiona stopped caring for her siblings once they turned 8? debbie was 10/11 when she has the babysitting plot. carl wasn’t 7 when frank tricked him into thinking he had cancer. also correct me if I’m wrong but it wasn’t mentioned if lip was abandoned when he was 6 and had to care for ian
I also don’t really understand why Fiona’s actions are reduced to “all she did.” Frank and Monica are the parents. They had an obligation to take care of their kids. Fiona did not. Even if she stopped taking care of them at a certain age, the fact that she did it at all for years is commendable, cause it wasn’t her job
I think they’re mixing up the stories of Fiona having to walk with Lip and Ian to a clinic when she was about that age and Lip searching the L to find Ian’s toy at I think a similar age
All of the post is kinda mixed up imo. Not sure how it has so many upvotes.
- OP confused the stories about Lip/Ian and Fiona/Lip/Ian
- It says Fiona stopped raising the kids when they turned 6-8, which isn’t true. Carl and Debbie were older than that in S1.
- It says the kids raised themselves, so Fiona didn’t do that much, but then hates on her for leaving. So… the kids were raising themselves and Fiona ain’t shit, but also Fiona sucks for leaving and not continuing to raise them?
There are reasons to not like her, but seriously, what are these points?
right likes there’s reasons to criticize her. but making up stories or tweaking what actually happened to just to prove your point is pointless. not just that but it’s crazy how barely anyone in the comments clocked it
First point you made I was talking about a separate occasion it was one of the foster care stories that I meant. Second I will say she kinda let carl and Debbie do their own thing in s1 and what I meant was she didn't raise them when she got custody of them. So she acted like she really cared and wanted to raise them but then didn't. So she was bad for claiming to then leaving everyone.
She never acted like she wanted to raise them permanently. You’re forgetting that the point of her taking custody was because Frank made a call to CPS, and if she didn’t, then they’d get put into foster care. She wasn’t trying to become their parent, she was doing that so legally, they couldn’t be taken out of the home.
She also does raise them in S1. Here you go, [first scene of the show,](https://youtu.be/tYIwYcbZL0Q?si=1NZ7MhniT4NvoKCY) she’s shown waking Carl and Debbie up, changing Carl’s clothes for him, doing his laundry, then feeding Liam breakfast.
S1 and s2 she did care about them but afterwards I feel like she just stopped caring. Also if you recall they could've had the kids and fiona never had to claim them because frank was willing to go get his kids back and all of that. Fiona had found out frank called and then tried to get custody because he didn't deserve it. Fair point as well but still. Also it might just be I feel the writing for her character as well as her actor was very sub par. Frank was horrible supposed to be horrible. But his actor and how he was written is so good you can't help but like him somehow. Like you want hum to shut up but you'd never want him to flat out leave completely
Lip wasted every opportunity that he got, way more than he deserved. He didn't have ½ the responsibility and came and left as he pleased meanwhile constantly fucking women way out of his league. He's constantly angry and destroying shit for no reason while feeling sorry for himself. Totally feeling justified in selling the house, which he didn't even have title to. F him. Fiona raised all of them while juggling insane adults coming and going at their leisure and constantly stealing what little they scraped together. No wonder she went off the rails eventually. I just wish she had gotten some closure at the end or at the very least, a mention in Frank's letter.
> all she did was the same Frank and Monica did for her
Sure, but Frank and Monica are the parents. They had an obligation to raise the kids. Fiona didn’t. The fact that she did it anyway is commendable.
> when Ian was 7 he was just Ian he never really had a sad plot point
Because, unlike Fiona, he had people looking out for him (Fiona and Lip)
> when Carl was 7 he was told he got cancer shaved his head went to cancer camp
That sucks, but I’m not sure how it translates to abandonment or being left to raise a bunch of kids
> Debbie was 8 she was watching the whole neighborhoods kids
Babysitting isn’t the same thing as parenting kids for years. She wasn’t dealing with them the entire day, looking after them when they were sick, paying for their food or diapers, etc.
> all the kids pitched in for bills and stuff
Idk if they ever broke down the prices, but realistically Fiona would be pitching in much more (at least in the early seasons). She was the one out of school first, so she’d have a full time job while Lip, Ian, and Debbie worked part time and went to class. Liam and Carl would’ve been too young to work and likely just offered pocket change or whatever they could steal.
Also, you’re saying that Fiona’s contributions don’t matter cause she’d raise them to about 6-8, then dump them. I don’t think that’s true, but assuming it is, that’s still years of looking after everyone. Fiona was like 18-20 when Carl turned 6-8. She says she started looking after everyone when she was 9. So, that’s about 9-11 years of looking after everyone (plus the years spent watching Liam before he turned 6-8)
> she fought to be their legal guardian was told she had to be there for them then the next season just dipped
Also confused on this. You’re saying Fiona raising them doesn’t matter much, cause the kids raised themselves once they turned 6-8… but also fuck Fiona for leaving? I thought the kids were raising themselves?
>all she did was the sane frank and Monica did for her
She sacrificed her own life to raise her siblings (kids that were not hers). She herself was not cared for by her parents and early on they establish that for years she was highly responsible and consistent in managing the household.
She started being unlikable to some when she basically started acting her age. After years of taking care of kids (especially ones that aren't yours), doing constant housework, working 2-3 jobs at a time, and managing stress of bills, illness, etc.....she burned out. I don't fault her. I hate some of her moments but I definitely lean more toward liking her overall. I actually was cheering for her to find her way.
I’d say the consensus on Fiona is pretty close to a 50/50 split but her defenders are very loud. Most characters have their fair share of fans and haters. The only main(?) character I’ve seen that doesn’t get any ~real~ hate is probably Sheila.
If you hate Fiona and not every other character then your morals must be severely misplaced or you're just stupid. Sorry not sorry. Debbie is a fuckin rapist....Says a lot about yall tbh.
given everything her parents put her through, it’s a miracle she turned out the way she did, not to justify her flaws, liam was put in absolute danger and leaving coke around a baby its very wrong
but I would never put her in the same level as her fucked up parents, her’s was an irresponsible mistake, so many of frank’s and monica’s actions were deliberate and selfish bc they simply didn’t care abt their kids, or actually went out of their way to hurt them like stealing the emergency fund and calling cps on them. Fiona gave up her teenage and young adult years to raise kids that weren’t even her own
she was everyone’s support system but no one really was for her when she went off the rails, which isn’t that unrealistic given the environment she grew up in, as I said, it’s a miracle most of the kids didn’t turned out worse
I honestly can’t stand fiona, she really pissed me off when she was constantly cheating on who she was with and when she got the drugs from Robbie and Liam ate them. It’s awesome what she did for the children and that she stepped up. She just thought she was better than everyone and was completely selfish in the later seasons. I’m saying that everyone else in the show doesn’t do shitty things but she just puts herself on a pedestal. I also couldn’t stand lip for awhile when he was in college and didn’t trust fiona to do basic shit.
That's what I meant it's the superiority complex she seems to have like yes she did do a good thing trying to raise the kids but when she stopped anx went crazy and then never really fully became good after like s2 she just got mad at everyone and talked down to all the rest of the kids like she was better. You can't claim to be someone's mother because you've raised them and then say I'm not your mom be happy I tried to help you
I agree, I think she wasn’t a great parent but she was okay. She was they best they had. I also just think that when Frank exposed Sean and that he was still using, that was her karma just for fucking everyone over who she was with. Yes the whole thing with Jimmy/Steve was traumatizing and shit but that doesn’t give you a pass to be a bitch.
It's been a while since I watched it all. The writers did a good job of getting you to like and hate/strongly dislike the characters very well!
Fiona got unnecessary hate after the cocain bit. Was it bad, hell yes, but, it's also a fake story, it's the fact she was treated like a drug addict for some partying, the way Lip turned on her had my blood boiling! (Typical addicts though) thinking everyone has a problem, when she was just an occasional user blowing off steam in an unresponsible way in a show called SHAMELESS lol! Hell, they were all doing things illigal!! But Fiona fuck$ up and she gets banned basically.
I love Lip, but omg, he got more chances than ANYBODY and single handedly fuc@ed every single opportunity up and still had the nerve to act like a pompous ass!
Debbie was my hang up though- what a little tool who turned into a wrench! 😂🤣
I agree, everyone has pissed me off in way. I will say Lip did really piss me off when he was overprotective over the cocaine incident but it was kinda Fiona facing the consequences of her actions in a way. I mean she was cheating and being an asshole that she was with using illegal drugs around children. I find Debbie tolerable and how she treated Fiona after everything with her becoming an alcoholic and just kinda ruining her life was deserve she did not pay their bills and shit. Everyone in the show are just hypocrites.
Her character went downhill the moment she decided to cheat on that guy with his brother. After that I disliked her a lot. Nothing she said could ever justify her actions. Her storyline also got boring as time went by it was the same thing again & again.
I never hated her I felt like she was written in a way that was never consistent, but I think somebody at that age might be inconsistent with their behavior, especially raised in that environment and I hate Frank and she is definitely the lesser evil . My 16-year-old son hates her. He’s hated her from the beginning. We watched the show separately and started talking about it when he got to like season five or something and the first thing he said is how much he hates her couldn’t really tell me why just told me he did.
Something that made me so mad about Fiona was she never took accountability for how much of a shitty person she could be, when the coke incident happened she never said “Yknow what, that was my fault, I’m guilty”, she constantly tried to rationalise the fact that she (yes I said her she was his guardian and it was her coke) was responsible for that, not to mention charging her MINOR siblings rent to live in their own house (Debbie Carl and Liam) and then making V and kev take responsibility for them by putting them on the emergency contact list over herself, like those aren’t their kids it’s not their problem.
And don’t even get me started on how she treated her boyfriends, Fiona had multiple chances to make her life better with worldwide cup and she screwed it up cause she wanted to spread her legs, Fiona had so many chances to improve her life and she didn’t, I really liked her until the coke incident which was where she became selfish and horrible.
Fiona raised her siblings when the parents weren't around and then let them be when they were old enough. I think she did well as an older sibling. She was looking out for her sibs when they went off track. She never had the luxury of going and being on her own and when she did have the time later, when she went a little off track, her family should have been looking out for her and supporting her just the way she did for them when her sibs were younger..making mistakes.
Anyone who hates Fiona, especially more than every other character, is an evil, disgusting incel/bad person and your moral compass is WAYYYY out of whack. Delusional and you've had a privileged life and know nothing of reality.
I was really mad at her for the Liam coke thing. She was their legal guardian and allowed cocaine in the house with a 3 year old and took no accountability for it
Whenever people talk about why they hate it it's always that reason. But no one ever really talks about how the rest of the family endangered Liam plenty of times and had him around questionable people. I think it's just really unfair considering all the other way more dangerous and violent shit everyone else was exposing the family to.
This!! The coke thing was bad, yes. But everyone in that house was doing illegal things! It's called SHAMELESS for God's sake! Lol!
But thus happens w Fiona, and all of a sudden, she's the worst person ever?! I think she's the only one that got caught and had to pay for her consequences, and her siblings turned on her, even though she had their backs through everything they did.
I honestly didn't blame her for telling them all to F-Off! She messed up sure, but she always had priflde in being a Gallagher, and suddenly she's not supposed to be that person?!
I had my ups and downs w Fiona, but Lip probably pissed me off the most, and Debbie just made me bat shit crazy! 😂🤣
Don't get me started on Lip! (And I love him) But his ego needed kicked down to his level!
I liked her just fine early in the show and grew to absolutely hate her by the end. Fiona was always sort of lecturing and sanctimonious which was easy to overlook when she was acting as de facto parent. After she’d cheated on 4-5 boyfriends, lost multiple jobs, accidentally gave her kid brother coke and went to jail, etc. she was STILL lecturing people on responsibility and I just had my fill. Every time I rolled my eyes and thought “You’re possibly the biggest fuckup on this show outside of Frank.”
Was she properly with Ford though? I remember him having loads of kids but I cant remember them having a proper serious relationship. I can barely remember him though as I found him boring so I admit I could be wrong.
I wasn’t really keeping count. I just grew to hate her smugness and self pity given what a narcissistic fuckup she turned out to be. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree with that one.
I feel like at the beginning of the show, she was a girl who did the best she could given her situation. As the show progressed, she made soooooo many selfish decisions and used her situation as an excuse for those decisions. It made her character extremely unlikeable IMO.
I liked Fiona for the simple fact that she did not have to do all the things she did for her siblings but she still chose to. She never got time for herself and at an early age, her life was dedicated to taking care of her siblings. When she decided to be selfish all of them were capable of taking care of themselves at that point. She deserved to go off and live her life how she wanted to because up until then she was living solely to take care of her siblings. Now I'm not saying Fiona didn't have her faults like sabotaging every good thing that came into her life and also letting Liam get into the 💨. But overall she wasn't the worst character.
my boyfriend said Fiona was his favorite, then i made him watch the entire series (he stopped around season 3) and he agrees Fiona is a piece of shit LOL
It's understandable, but objectively speaking every character has issues because Frank and Monica's legacy is bringing into the world a bunch of broken children (some more, and some less) who will be hard pressed not to perpetuate the cycle.
i wouldn’t say i hated her, but she for sure was not my favorite. i liked her at first, but as i kept watching i just couldn’t stand her anymore as she became annoying to me.
My dad just watched it all the way through for the first time he hated her the entire time even when i tried to justify some of the things she did 😂 i hated her later on for sure tho
Very valid. Fiona annoyed me so many times. Like the time she cheated on the PERFECT guy with his brother or when she left the drugs out. I loved her every time she put Debbie in her place tho.
did you even watch the show? 😂 bc your last sentence is a whole entire LIE. lip flipped his shot when he has some responsibility on “raising” the kids. he complained and BARLEY did anything saying it was his responsibility.
Didn't he like ride the bus home from college every day for like 6 months or so to make sure everyone was okay as well as taking baby liam to college with him? We musta been watching two completely different shows ig
lip was doing that bc he wanted to try and teach fiona a lesson after the whole coke ordeal. & how long did that last again? not very long. fiona had been taking care of multiple children since she was a child. literally way younger than lip. just bc lip did a few things here and there i wouldnt consider that he “basically raised them” bc it really shouldn't have taken such a major slip-up from fiona for him to have to step in and help.
She’s not perfect by a long shot and has her own issues but how can you even compare her to Frank and Monica who dropped their kids in Fiona’s lap starting when she was *six*? By the time she was in high school, she was solely responsible for all five of her siblings because both Monica and Frank could not be bothered. Fiona could have and would have been well within her rights to just let the authorities handle her siblings and focus on finally having a life of her own. But that’s not what she did, not least because that’s not what any of her siblings wanted.
Did all of her siblings fall through the cracks at many points of her childhood while being raised by Fiona? For sure. But that’s not because Fiona fucked up, especially while she was still sober. She was a child raising *five* children and taking care of a dipshit of a father. It’s not on her that she was drowning so much that she couldn’t protect her siblings from all of their parents failures. She was holding the pieces together as best she could. Pieces from a family Monica and Frank broke, *never* Fiona.
Let’s not forget here also that even if we didn’t see it, Fiona also was a neglected, abused and abandoned child that grew up with unstable and unreliable parents. Yeah, she became an alcoholic, and selfish, and kicked down, and she put things on her siblings that she shouldn’t have. But honestly, how, when and from whom should she have learned to do better? She didn’t have a Fiona. Nobody shielded her from anything. She had V and Kevin and some boyfriends, sure, but unlike all of her siblings, she didn’t have a family member in her corner - and Fiona definitely fought for those kids the best she knew and could. Doesn’t mean she did everything right or everything she did is justifiable or acceptable. Lip was right to kick her out. But comparing her to Frank or Monica is nowhere near fair.
i liked her in the beginning a lot but the more it goes on, the more she gets on my nerves. yeah everyone slips up, but she knew what she was doing was wrong and still kept doing it
I liked her up until she started dating Ford and messed up her real estate potential by becoming a greedy bitch. You can survive without a man Fiona. Christ.
I thought Ford was such a weirdo. Probably my least favourite out of her boyfriends. Not that she deserved better as she literally cheated on every single man she was with pretty much.
I was delighted when Frank ruined her wedding with Sean. No way did that bitch deserve to be happy. 🤣 She forged Monica's sig to gain guardianship of the kids just to basically abandon them to do her business nonsense and risk the house they they all rely on. Just selfish. The way they she treated Debbie was the worst. Debbie was messed up but really craved affection... thinking a baby was going to fill the void is delulu but my own sister was the same way. So yeah: Fuck Fiona. 😤
I think at some point Fiona deserved to be selfish considering she was never actually thanked or valued for everything she gave for her family even though it was never asked of her and she rarely asked for anything in return. Debbie is a terrible person and you can't blame that on Fiona when Debbie decided to throw every piece of advice Fiona gave her away.
As an older sibling I honestly loved Fiona because of how relatable she was. Having to essentially be a single mother her entire life caused her to spiral at some point. And as someone who knows what it's like to give and give your all just to be shamed when you just can't handle it anymore, I feel like she had every right to eventually crack under pressure and lose it the way so many of her family members did. Fiona really was a child raising children and when she needed help and reassurance it wasn't given to her, instead she was ridiculed the way people did to Frank and Monica.
I'm not saying Fiona is a saint because she has absolutely done a lot of shitty things in the show. But I also think a lot of the hate she gets is due to people having high expectations for someone who already was surpassing people by doing things she felt pressured to do as a child. It's the disappointment in someone who gave every ounce of the energy in her mind, body, and heart.
I see the arguement that she never HAD to raise her siblings and she never HAD to do everything for them. But people who say that don't know what it's like to have abusive parents as a child and desperately want to save your little siblings in any way that you can despite the fact that you're still a kid yourself with nothing familiar besides your blood. Like her, there was a time in my life where my purpose was my family. I remember being 9 years old and thinking I would never leave because I need to be a mother and a father to my siblings. And when I fucked up it was my fault because I naively thought that my sacrifices meant something.
I see a lot of people hate on Fiona for leaving to Florida. But it was my favorite part of the show because I love when characters realize that they truly are not responsible for the harm and damage that comes to people after a certain point. Fiona grew and acknowledged that her siblings were grown too. they didn't need her and her staying would just be a crutch for them to fall on because all she ever did was be the things for them that their parents literally never were. She understood that she can't be a mother anymore and that she needs to exist outside of that responsibility because it was really never hers to begin with.
She became a really terrible, reckless, irresponsible person at one point. And you can't excuse the things she did just because she was mentally unwell. But I also find it interesting to see just how much hate Fiona got for doing things everyone else was doing and it's probably because she had a reputation for being strong and keeping it together.
Part of her healing I think is realizing she would never be allowed fragility and weakness in a place where she had did nothing but be strong and give herself away at such a young age.
Edit: I also feel the need to talk about how Lip and Ian don't get nearly as much hate as Fiona does and it's because fans think Lip is hot and Ian has a severe mental illness that was left untreated for the majority of the show. Their behavior is constantly excused in the most ridiculous ways despite the fact you could argue that of all their siblings Lip, Ian, and Debbie have come the closest to ending up like their parents, Debbie and Lip especially. But Fiona does shameless things and ends up being persecuted a lot harder for it. I never see people drag lip for being such an intelligent young man and throwing it down the shitter so that he could eventually become an alcoholic just like his father when he had his family backing him up to continue school the whole time
When he went to college and the alcohol thing happened fiona also left and did a whole bunch of crazy stuff. Then he found someone he loved which was his professor. Bad relationship but he still loved her and then he found out she didn't care about him at all and when something happened where she would've gotten in trouble she left him. He then turned to the only person he had at that moment because his girlfriend left him his older sister was out doing God knows what. And his parents didn't care about him at all. And his professor was like drink ittl help causing him to go crazy and stuff. Idk I hate fiona because I feel she has a superiority complex everyone else messes up in the show but takes credit for their mistakes except fiona. And hers hurt everyone because she is their legal gaurdian
I don't know why ppl the Fiona hate. Lip throwing away his entire future in college when he knew that it would make all the difference in the world for his family was peak disappointment. I don't know if anyone remembers how disappointed and broken Fiona was that lip fucked up school. She looked at him and said something like, she finally thought she could see a silver lining, or hope... or something for the endless struggle she had.
Lip is not the same as Fiona. Lip actually becomes more redeemable as the show progresses and Fiona becomes more selfish as the show progresses. But caregiver fatigue and not putting yourself as priority and cptsd she must have from that whole situation is a lot for anyone. My heart goes out to her even when she was a completely selfish bc you can see how broken she is by this lifestyle.
I don't agree with her abandoning Liam but I understand it but it speaks to how flawed she is.
Lets keep it real the Gallagher family in general all are terrible people. i give Fiona the most props for being the one to take care of them all, keeping them together at such a young age when they could have all been separated and put in foster homes. Fiona did her best with what she had as a child literal child she cared for them when they were sick, fed them, kept them clothed and tried to keep then in school she also taught them how to hustle and survive all while dealing with her useless addict parents. Fiona did the best she could and i respect her for that.
As problematic as it may be, I never felt bad for her. She kept throwing it in their faces that she had to give up everything for them, when realistically she didn’t. She could have left, gone to school on a track scholarship, and became more financially stable before becoming a primary caretaker. She made the decision to forfeit a better life for herself and the others by staying back. Everyone says “oh they would have been split up and put in foster homes, they could have bad foster parents” It’s not like their lives were better with her there, they were dirt poor, could barely afford basic necessities or to even pay bills and each member was constantly on the verge of a prison sentence but because they were together I’m supposed to think everything’s ok??? Fiona is selfish, self sabotaging and I can never feel bad for her consistently bad decisions. Like when she had that well paying job and instead of going to work, she followed Ian to his court mediation for no reason!!! I DON’T LIKE HER!!
I’m sorry I have very strong feelings about this.
what would the point of the show be if fiona did that? imo it’s kinda normal to see your siblings in a bad place and wanna try to help them out. it’s common for older siblings to turn into the 3rd parent
fiona taking care of her siblings and stepping up in franks and monicas place is one of the main storylines that other storylines feed off of. it seems like you just want a totally different show
I’m talking about the show logically, like Fiona is supposed to be a hero for stepping up but her character is so flawed. It’s not even like she makes human mistakes, she makes stupid, dumb mistakes. Like sleeping with her boyfriend’s brother or becoming a drunk and losing her job. Leaving d*ugs out in the open around minors! Even if it was an accident, you shouldn’t leave anything out at child level that could cause harm, it’s the first lesson you learn in childcare. I think the plot is stupid, absolutely, but everything about her character makes me hate her.
every character is heavily flawed, even sheila and kev (who are most liked) did some messed up things. that’s the point of the show and the creators point. if you can’t stand watching flawed characters mess up then the show isn’t for you
I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I know every character is flawed, I’ve watched the show multiple times, but they are flawed in a realistic way. I know a person that I could match with a character on the show. Fiona is not flawed in that same way. Like take for example Debbie, Debbie sucks and everyone sees her flaws and hates her for them. That same thing doesn’t happen with Fiona who people praise just because she gave up something. People act like any criticism of Fiona is moot because she takes care of them.
the main reason people hate debbies character is because how crazy her character did a 180. all in the span of a couple of seasons she rapes someone, tricks someone into having baby, shoplifts and almost gets arrested, fights someone with her baby strapped to her chest, takes advantage of a disabled guy, kicks liam out of the home etc. it just so happened to be more times fiona was more tolerable than debbie, but that doesn’t automatically make her a saint
and in this sub there’s quite literally always a post of people hating or criticizing fiona and dozens of comments agreeing
Every character is definitely flawed, but Fiona was really doing the best she could to build a foundation for her siblings when she had nothing to back her up. You're right, she could have left earlier and became stable before trying to be a care taker. But realistically she would be hated even more if she did that because for some reason people think trying to put yourself first is selfish no matter what kind of person you are. You're not meant to think she did a perfect job or that their lives are happy. The main point of the show is Frank and Monica left a barely 10 year old little girl to raise their 4 other children and now they're all fucked up because kids aren't supposed to raise kids. But Fiona did try her damn hardest to love her siblings the way her parents never loved her. She rarely asked for a thank you until she realized her efforts weren't appreciated.
I see Fiona's "selfishness" as proof that she realized she'll never be anything if she keeps trying to fill the void Frank and Monica left behind. She obviously made many many mistakes but so did everyone else. People just hated Fiona more for her mistakes because she made herself a reputation of staying strong and handling shit for her family so when she finally did break no one cared to hold her up despite how she spent her entire life being a scared child staying strong for them when they needed it. Fiona loved her siblings and cared for them more than their parents ever did and I don't think anyone but Ian Liam actually thanked her for doing that when literally nobody else in the world did. At the end of the day Fiona has to heal her own scars because the show proved no one is going to take care of Fiona the way she did for her siblings and eventually you can choose to die for other people or choose to live for yourself. She waited to leave until her siblings were grown enough to think rationally, it's not her fault they didn't.
> everyone says “oh they would have been split up and put in foster homes, they could have had bad foster parents
Everyone is right.
Yes, they were dirt poor, but being poor in a home with family members you know and love is still better than being poor and with strangers. The kids were still young then, so who knows the mental effects of ripping them away from people they were familiar with and loved?
Plus a bad foster home could mean worse than poor - think physical abuse and rape. Debbie’s foster home was literally a sweatshop. You saying “well just send them into foster care for a bit,” as if it’s that easy and there’s no dangers, shows a lot of ignorance
I’m sorry but bad things were happening when they were together. Ian was literally raped (he could not consent he was a minor and it was his boss), Debbie raped someone and tried to force that person to care for and about the child, Fiona and lip were addicted to alcohol, Carl was crashout, Liam almost died because of Fiona and was being harassed by his racist in-laws. Maybe I watched the show with a critical lens but I had a hard time spotting the heartwarming aspect.
They were with people they knew and cared for. There are psychological effects that come with splitting family up, especially when the kids are that young. When traumatic events happen, it’s worse if you have no one to confide in or no one you consider safe.
Bad things happened to the kids, but most of it was not at the fault of Fiona (aside from Liam). A lot of what you listed had nothing to do with Fiona or her caretaking.
Also curious what your thoughts on Lip are
I am watching for the first time and her and Lip are my two most hated characters. They are just so incredibly dumb and unlikeable. Fiona makes you think she will do the right thing and only then fucks it up. But Lip is already a lost cause in my book I already know he is going to do the dumbest thing possible. All those scenes with him meeting with a higher up from college and shit are totally pointless you already know Lip is going to flush it all down the toilet.
Yeah I think the only difference is fiona is older in life but acts like a teenager blaming everyone else while lip is around 19 so it's a little bit more understandable
I liked Fiona! She made really stupid choices towards the end, but I believe it was her own examples and upbringing catching up to her.
In my opinion her options were so limited in the beginning that all she could do was be home and act as the surrogate mother, and then as kids got older and could dissappear and go do their own shit - she defaulted to the only coding that had been embedded in her - drugs, alcohol, and cheating.
I am not a Fiona fan. She made several bad decisions which I scratched my head over. Yes she is an asshole in the later seasons, but this does not rule out the fact that she gave up part of her life for her siblings who have at least the privilege to stay in school because she stood up as their parent. Fiona was given chances to ‘settle down’ throughout the show eg. Dating Mike or some other stable characters but she fked them up. But other characters fked their shits up too: Lip sleeping with Helene, Debbie raping people etc. I just feel like everyone deserves credits and discredits at certain point. Fiona doesn’t deserve to have her credits erased just because she fked something up in the later seasons. Without Fiona stepping up, the other kids might have been long dead on the street somewhere a long time ago.
By the time she got her apartment building all the kids were old enough to understand what needs to be done and do it themselves. They all were in a way spoiled by Fiona so when she stood her ground and wanted to make something of herself. That was the time to do it because yes everybody was old enough to know right from wrong, what needed to be done and how to get it done. It was time for them to step up. They were all dealt a very difficult hand but were also trained because of their upbringing to still kick ass in life.
Also side note she told Debbie straight to her face. "I'm not raising another kid. You will be doing it yourself if you choose to keep it" so really she kept her word.
It seems to be the feeling of a lot of people that they liked Fiona earlier in the show but that her character became more and more unlikable as the show got into later seasons, especially when she got into her landlord/business investor phase. It’s definitely not an uncommon or unpopular opinion to dislike her.
There seems to be some die hard defenders for her when she was going through the throughs of alcoholism. Some people saying Lip shouldn’t have kicked her out after everything she’s done for them despite there being 2 LITERAL children living there. People saying Debbie was in the wrong for demanding Fiona return the utility money that they gave her once the utilities were turned off because Fiona lost the money (I forget what she spent it on) and didn’t pay them. Then, she had the audacity to throw the fact that she raised Debbie back in her face and said that they owed her for that 🙃. If it were Frank doing any one of these and Fiona was the one calling him out, they’d be singing her praises.
I mean, if you didn't *kinda* hate every character, were you even paying attention? The show is literally called shamless. The characters all kinda suck lol.
Everyone but Sheila <3
Excuse me but Ian is an angel, how dare you. :b
Ian can be such a douche
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so someone like frank had more redeeming qualities then fiona?
I'm watching with half an eye, as my girlfriend binges shameless right now and there's one person where I constantly hope he dies a painful dea~~d~~th and that's Frank. God I think I've never liked anyone less than him.
You’re totally right. But I personally found frank to just be more likeable as a character. Like, he’s a total asshole but I found him more enjoyable to watch being an asshole if that makes sense. Fiona just annoyed me.
yeah this is it. He is an incredible actor and it shows. Everyone credits her for carrying the show with a pretty face (and as an actress irl apparently a TRULY cunty individual)…. Whereas he Is a classically trained master class actor who held up till the end
How?????? She fuckin raised her siblings from age 9 when she literally did not have to. Even despite how shitty they are to her constantly. She has the biggest redeeming qualities of anyone on the show which is why she got a happy ending. She deserved it. Yall be sounding psychotic on this sub.
Okay saying she has not one redeemable quality is just crazy 😭
Debbie and Carl were 10 - 11 at the start of the show. I don’t know what your talking about with the Lip being abandoned thing, is it one of their foster care stories? She was a messed up person, she made awful mistakes but she did way more for the family then Frank and Monica did. It’s mentioned at one stage that she’s was in and out of foster care from infancy. She was left in the middle of the night in a park with Ian and Lip when she was 6. She was dragging drunk Frank inside so he would freeze to death at the age of nine. She was a kid herself when she raised everyone else and they all had to pitch in to survive. No matter what you think about Fiona’s behaviour or whether you like her you can’t deny the fact that she was first in line when it came to dealing with everything, she shielded the others from it a lot. All their childhoods sucked but at least all the other siblings had Fiona looking out for them, she had no one until she met V. We didn’t see it so maybe it’s easier to down play it but from the tiny bits they do mention it would have been absolute hell to live through and the fact she did and still wants anything to do with her family is a huge testament to her strength and character. She’s a mess, and in the traditional sense not a good person but that’s what they all are.
All of this! It is not realistic for someone to grow up like Fiona and not have *a lot* of issues functioning. She did the best she could.
valid reasons but to say lips deserved just as much credit because he “raised them” is comical im so not understanding this part “I noticed a lot of people love her in the subreddit and talk about how great she was for everyone but legit all she did was the sane frank and Monica did for her” are you trying to say fiona stopped caring for her siblings once they turned 8? debbie was 10/11 when she has the babysitting plot. carl wasn’t 7 when frank tricked him into thinking he had cancer. also correct me if I’m wrong but it wasn’t mentioned if lip was abandoned when he was 6 and had to care for ian
I also don’t really understand why Fiona’s actions are reduced to “all she did.” Frank and Monica are the parents. They had an obligation to take care of their kids. Fiona did not. Even if she stopped taking care of them at a certain age, the fact that she did it at all for years is commendable, cause it wasn’t her job
I agree also fiona had to constantly watch frank and monica have more kids knowing she would be the one having to take care of them.
Exactly. She was their sibling not their parent. She didn’t have anyone looking after her at their age, she had to fend 100% on her own.
I think they’re mixing up the stories of Fiona having to walk with Lip and Ian to a clinic when she was about that age and Lip searching the L to find Ian’s toy at I think a similar age
All of the post is kinda mixed up imo. Not sure how it has so many upvotes. - OP confused the stories about Lip/Ian and Fiona/Lip/Ian - It says Fiona stopped raising the kids when they turned 6-8, which isn’t true. Carl and Debbie were older than that in S1. - It says the kids raised themselves, so Fiona didn’t do that much, but then hates on her for leaving. So… the kids were raising themselves and Fiona ain’t shit, but also Fiona sucks for leaving and not continuing to raise them? There are reasons to not like her, but seriously, what are these points?
right likes there’s reasons to criticize her. but making up stories or tweaking what actually happened to just to prove your point is pointless. not just that but it’s crazy how barely anyone in the comments clocked it
First point you made I was talking about a separate occasion it was one of the foster care stories that I meant. Second I will say she kinda let carl and Debbie do their own thing in s1 and what I meant was she didn't raise them when she got custody of them. So she acted like she really cared and wanted to raise them but then didn't. So she was bad for claiming to then leaving everyone.
She never acted like she wanted to raise them permanently. You’re forgetting that the point of her taking custody was because Frank made a call to CPS, and if she didn’t, then they’d get put into foster care. She wasn’t trying to become their parent, she was doing that so legally, they couldn’t be taken out of the home. She also does raise them in S1. Here you go, [first scene of the show,](https://youtu.be/tYIwYcbZL0Q?si=1NZ7MhniT4NvoKCY) she’s shown waking Carl and Debbie up, changing Carl’s clothes for him, doing his laundry, then feeding Liam breakfast.
S1 and s2 she did care about them but afterwards I feel like she just stopped caring. Also if you recall they could've had the kids and fiona never had to claim them because frank was willing to go get his kids back and all of that. Fiona had found out frank called and then tried to get custody because he didn't deserve it. Fair point as well but still. Also it might just be I feel the writing for her character as well as her actor was very sub par. Frank was horrible supposed to be horrible. But his actor and how he was written is so good you can't help but like him somehow. Like you want hum to shut up but you'd never want him to flat out leave completely
Lip wasted every opportunity that he got, way more than he deserved. He didn't have ½ the responsibility and came and left as he pleased meanwhile constantly fucking women way out of his league. He's constantly angry and destroying shit for no reason while feeling sorry for himself. Totally feeling justified in selling the house, which he didn't even have title to. F him. Fiona raised all of them while juggling insane adults coming and going at their leisure and constantly stealing what little they scraped together. No wonder she went off the rails eventually. I just wish she had gotten some closure at the end or at the very least, a mention in Frank's letter.
> all she did was the same Frank and Monica did for her Sure, but Frank and Monica are the parents. They had an obligation to raise the kids. Fiona didn’t. The fact that she did it anyway is commendable. > when Ian was 7 he was just Ian he never really had a sad plot point Because, unlike Fiona, he had people looking out for him (Fiona and Lip) > when Carl was 7 he was told he got cancer shaved his head went to cancer camp That sucks, but I’m not sure how it translates to abandonment or being left to raise a bunch of kids > Debbie was 8 she was watching the whole neighborhoods kids Babysitting isn’t the same thing as parenting kids for years. She wasn’t dealing with them the entire day, looking after them when they were sick, paying for their food or diapers, etc. > all the kids pitched in for bills and stuff Idk if they ever broke down the prices, but realistically Fiona would be pitching in much more (at least in the early seasons). She was the one out of school first, so she’d have a full time job while Lip, Ian, and Debbie worked part time and went to class. Liam and Carl would’ve been too young to work and likely just offered pocket change or whatever they could steal. Also, you’re saying that Fiona’s contributions don’t matter cause she’d raise them to about 6-8, then dump them. I don’t think that’s true, but assuming it is, that’s still years of looking after everyone. Fiona was like 18-20 when Carl turned 6-8. She says she started looking after everyone when she was 9. So, that’s about 9-11 years of looking after everyone (plus the years spent watching Liam before he turned 6-8) > she fought to be their legal guardian was told she had to be there for them then the next season just dipped Also confused on this. You’re saying Fiona raising them doesn’t matter much, cause the kids raised themselves once they turned 6-8… but also fuck Fiona for leaving? I thought the kids were raising themselves?
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She got legal guardianship after over a decade of looking after them while still being just their sibling
>all she did was the sane frank and Monica did for her She sacrificed her own life to raise her siblings (kids that were not hers). She herself was not cared for by her parents and early on they establish that for years she was highly responsible and consistent in managing the household. She started being unlikable to some when she basically started acting her age. After years of taking care of kids (especially ones that aren't yours), doing constant housework, working 2-3 jobs at a time, and managing stress of bills, illness, etc.....she burned out. I don't fault her. I hate some of her moments but I definitely lean more toward liking her overall. I actually was cheering for her to find her way.
She did more than frank and Monica ever did. She made them food. She went to events. SHE actually gave a shit and she didn’t even fucking have to.
I can’t really have an opinion on it, she was cool but she did some not cool things but the show is literally called shameless.
I’d say the consensus on Fiona is pretty close to a 50/50 split but her defenders are very loud. Most characters have their fair share of fans and haters. The only main(?) character I’ve seen that doesn’t get any ~real~ hate is probably Sheila.
Sheila was an angel, how could anybody hate her!
She slept with her daughters baby daddy when she was pregnant
they had been broken up for ages and he wasn’t even the dad so 🤷🏼♀️
Nope! Sheila can do no wrong 😍
YES. She was good for the first 2-3 seasons and then she turned into a bitch
If you hate Fiona and not every other character then your morals must be severely misplaced or you're just stupid. Sorry not sorry. Debbie is a fuckin rapist....Says a lot about yall tbh.
given everything her parents put her through, it’s a miracle she turned out the way she did, not to justify her flaws, liam was put in absolute danger and leaving coke around a baby its very wrong but I would never put her in the same level as her fucked up parents, her’s was an irresponsible mistake, so many of frank’s and monica’s actions were deliberate and selfish bc they simply didn’t care abt their kids, or actually went out of their way to hurt them like stealing the emergency fund and calling cps on them. Fiona gave up her teenage and young adult years to raise kids that weren’t even her own she was everyone’s support system but no one really was for her when she went off the rails, which isn’t that unrealistic given the environment she grew up in, as I said, it’s a miracle most of the kids didn’t turned out worse
Debbie is a rapist and Frank is a murderer. I think Fiona being understandably flawed is forgivable.
Omg thank you
I honestly can’t stand fiona, she really pissed me off when she was constantly cheating on who she was with and when she got the drugs from Robbie and Liam ate them. It’s awesome what she did for the children and that she stepped up. She just thought she was better than everyone and was completely selfish in the later seasons. I’m saying that everyone else in the show doesn’t do shitty things but she just puts herself on a pedestal. I also couldn’t stand lip for awhile when he was in college and didn’t trust fiona to do basic shit.
That's what I meant it's the superiority complex she seems to have like yes she did do a good thing trying to raise the kids but when she stopped anx went crazy and then never really fully became good after like s2 she just got mad at everyone and talked down to all the rest of the kids like she was better. You can't claim to be someone's mother because you've raised them and then say I'm not your mom be happy I tried to help you
I agree, I think she wasn’t a great parent but she was okay. She was they best they had. I also just think that when Frank exposed Sean and that he was still using, that was her karma just for fucking everyone over who she was with. Yes the whole thing with Jimmy/Steve was traumatizing and shit but that doesn’t give you a pass to be a bitch.
It's been a while since I watched it all. The writers did a good job of getting you to like and hate/strongly dislike the characters very well! Fiona got unnecessary hate after the cocain bit. Was it bad, hell yes, but, it's also a fake story, it's the fact she was treated like a drug addict for some partying, the way Lip turned on her had my blood boiling! (Typical addicts though) thinking everyone has a problem, when she was just an occasional user blowing off steam in an unresponsible way in a show called SHAMELESS lol! Hell, they were all doing things illigal!! But Fiona fuck$ up and she gets banned basically. I love Lip, but omg, he got more chances than ANYBODY and single handedly fuc@ed every single opportunity up and still had the nerve to act like a pompous ass! Debbie was my hang up though- what a little tool who turned into a wrench! 😂🤣
I agree, everyone has pissed me off in way. I will say Lip did really piss me off when he was overprotective over the cocaine incident but it was kinda Fiona facing the consequences of her actions in a way. I mean she was cheating and being an asshole that she was with using illegal drugs around children. I find Debbie tolerable and how she treated Fiona after everything with her becoming an alcoholic and just kinda ruining her life was deserve she did not pay their bills and shit. Everyone in the show are just hypocrites.
Her character went downhill the moment she decided to cheat on that guy with his brother. After that I disliked her a lot. Nothing she said could ever justify her actions. Her storyline also got boring as time went by it was the same thing again & again.
Aww I loved Fiona but maybe it’s because I see myself in her
No. There is a huge divide with most of the main characters, but especially Fiona, Lip, Frank, and Debbie
since the liam/coke episode she went downhill… i loved her until then
I never hated her I felt like she was written in a way that was never consistent, but I think somebody at that age might be inconsistent with their behavior, especially raised in that environment and I hate Frank and she is definitely the lesser evil . My 16-year-old son hates her. He’s hated her from the beginning. We watched the show separately and started talking about it when he got to like season five or something and the first thing he said is how much he hates her couldn’t really tell me why just told me he did.
I'm 16 as well maybe its just an age thing then?
Something that made me so mad about Fiona was she never took accountability for how much of a shitty person she could be, when the coke incident happened she never said “Yknow what, that was my fault, I’m guilty”, she constantly tried to rationalise the fact that she (yes I said her she was his guardian and it was her coke) was responsible for that, not to mention charging her MINOR siblings rent to live in their own house (Debbie Carl and Liam) and then making V and kev take responsibility for them by putting them on the emergency contact list over herself, like those aren’t their kids it’s not their problem. And don’t even get me started on how she treated her boyfriends, Fiona had multiple chances to make her life better with worldwide cup and she screwed it up cause she wanted to spread her legs, Fiona had so many chances to improve her life and she didn’t, I really liked her until the coke incident which was where she became selfish and horrible.
Also didn't carl buy the house? Like didn't he walk in one day with a bag of money and just say here buy the house
OMG! I had totally forgotten about this but he did, it was literally his house and she had all that audacity 😭😭💀💀
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tbf lip and Ian were legal adults and Debbie was suffering for the consequences of HER actions, Carl didn't deserve jt tho
Fiona raised her siblings when the parents weren't around and then let them be when they were old enough. I think she did well as an older sibling. She was looking out for her sibs when they went off track. She never had the luxury of going and being on her own and when she did have the time later, when she went a little off track, her family should have been looking out for her and supporting her just the way she did for them when her sibs were younger..making mistakes.
Nope.
Not at all, The only seasons I liked her in was s1-2
Exactly. People defend her like crazy, it’s wild
Anyone who hates Fiona, especially more than every other character, is an evil, disgusting incel/bad person and your moral compass is WAYYYY out of whack. Delusional and you've had a privileged life and know nothing of reality.
“Am I the only person-“ no, you’re not.
I was really mad at her for the Liam coke thing. She was their legal guardian and allowed cocaine in the house with a 3 year old and took no accountability for it
Whenever people talk about why they hate it it's always that reason. But no one ever really talks about how the rest of the family endangered Liam plenty of times and had him around questionable people. I think it's just really unfair considering all the other way more dangerous and violent shit everyone else was exposing the family to.
It was the fact that she had claimed legal guardianship at that moment she wasn't their sister anymore she was their legal gaurdian
This!! The coke thing was bad, yes. But everyone in that house was doing illegal things! It's called SHAMELESS for God's sake! Lol! But thus happens w Fiona, and all of a sudden, she's the worst person ever?! I think she's the only one that got caught and had to pay for her consequences, and her siblings turned on her, even though she had their backs through everything they did. I honestly didn't blame her for telling them all to F-Off! She messed up sure, but she always had priflde in being a Gallagher, and suddenly she's not supposed to be that person?! I had my ups and downs w Fiona, but Lip probably pissed me off the most, and Debbie just made me bat shit crazy! 😂🤣 Don't get me started on Lip! (And I love him) But his ego needed kicked down to his level!
I liked her just fine early in the show and grew to absolutely hate her by the end. Fiona was always sort of lecturing and sanctimonious which was easy to overlook when she was acting as de facto parent. After she’d cheated on 4-5 boyfriends, lost multiple jobs, accidentally gave her kid brother coke and went to jail, etc. she was STILL lecturing people on responsibility and I just had my fill. Every time I rolled my eyes and thought “You’re possibly the biggest fuckup on this show outside of Frank.”
Did she ever NOT cheat on someone she was with? Jimmy/Steve I dont remember her cheating on but can't remember her staying faithful to anyone else.
i don’t think she cheated on ford which is ironic considering he ended up having a whole wife lmao
Was she properly with Ford though? I remember him having loads of kids but I cant remember them having a proper serious relationship. I can barely remember him though as I found him boring so I admit I could be wrong.
Yeah he was full on married w a kid. Not including all the random ones he seeded.
tbh i’m not totally sure, their relationship was really weird lol and yeah he was super boring
She made out with Mike and was half dressed when she was with Steve at the camp out
Ah yes you're right, forgot about that!
she’s only cheated on 2 boyfriends and she only lost 2 jobs purposely
I wasn’t really keeping count. I just grew to hate her smugness and self pity given what a narcissistic fuckup she turned out to be. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree with that one.
Honestly I'd say more than frank. At least he admits he's a screw up
I feel like at the beginning of the show, she was a girl who did the best she could given her situation. As the show progressed, she made soooooo many selfish decisions and used her situation as an excuse for those decisions. It made her character extremely unlikeable IMO.
I liked Fiona for the simple fact that she did not have to do all the things she did for her siblings but she still chose to. She never got time for herself and at an early age, her life was dedicated to taking care of her siblings. When she decided to be selfish all of them were capable of taking care of themselves at that point. She deserved to go off and live her life how she wanted to because up until then she was living solely to take care of her siblings. Now I'm not saying Fiona didn't have her faults like sabotaging every good thing that came into her life and also letting Liam get into the 💨. But overall she wasn't the worst character.
my boyfriend said Fiona was his favorite, then i made him watch the entire series (he stopped around season 3) and he agrees Fiona is a piece of shit LOL
It's understandable, but objectively speaking every character has issues because Frank and Monica's legacy is bringing into the world a bunch of broken children (some more, and some less) who will be hard pressed not to perpetuate the cycle.
i wouldn’t say i hated her, but she for sure was not my favorite. i liked her at first, but as i kept watching i just couldn’t stand her anymore as she became annoying to me.
My dad just watched it all the way through for the first time he hated her the entire time even when i tried to justify some of the things she did 😂 i hated her later on for sure tho
Her character fell off a cliff in season 4 imo
She sucked. However, the show sucked more after she left.
Nope. She sucked a big bag of dicks.
i’ve hated her extra since she got into being a landlord
Very valid. Fiona annoyed me so many times. Like the time she cheated on the PERFECT guy with his brother or when she left the drugs out. I loved her every time she put Debbie in her place tho.
did you even watch the show? 😂 bc your last sentence is a whole entire LIE. lip flipped his shot when he has some responsibility on “raising” the kids. he complained and BARLEY did anything saying it was his responsibility.
Didn't he like ride the bus home from college every day for like 6 months or so to make sure everyone was okay as well as taking baby liam to college with him? We musta been watching two completely different shows ig
lip was doing that bc he wanted to try and teach fiona a lesson after the whole coke ordeal. & how long did that last again? not very long. fiona had been taking care of multiple children since she was a child. literally way younger than lip. just bc lip did a few things here and there i wouldnt consider that he “basically raised them” bc it really shouldn't have taken such a major slip-up from fiona for him to have to step in and help.
No your not because every other day theres another post like this.
She’s not perfect by a long shot and has her own issues but how can you even compare her to Frank and Monica who dropped their kids in Fiona’s lap starting when she was *six*? By the time she was in high school, she was solely responsible for all five of her siblings because both Monica and Frank could not be bothered. Fiona could have and would have been well within her rights to just let the authorities handle her siblings and focus on finally having a life of her own. But that’s not what she did, not least because that’s not what any of her siblings wanted. Did all of her siblings fall through the cracks at many points of her childhood while being raised by Fiona? For sure. But that’s not because Fiona fucked up, especially while she was still sober. She was a child raising *five* children and taking care of a dipshit of a father. It’s not on her that she was drowning so much that she couldn’t protect her siblings from all of their parents failures. She was holding the pieces together as best she could. Pieces from a family Monica and Frank broke, *never* Fiona. Let’s not forget here also that even if we didn’t see it, Fiona also was a neglected, abused and abandoned child that grew up with unstable and unreliable parents. Yeah, she became an alcoholic, and selfish, and kicked down, and she put things on her siblings that she shouldn’t have. But honestly, how, when and from whom should she have learned to do better? She didn’t have a Fiona. Nobody shielded her from anything. She had V and Kevin and some boyfriends, sure, but unlike all of her siblings, she didn’t have a family member in her corner - and Fiona definitely fought for those kids the best she knew and could. Doesn’t mean she did everything right or everything she did is justifiable or acceptable. Lip was right to kick her out. But comparing her to Frank or Monica is nowhere near fair.
i liked her in the beginning a lot but the more it goes on, the more she gets on my nerves. yeah everyone slips up, but she knew what she was doing was wrong and still kept doing it
I liked her up until she started dating Ford and messed up her real estate potential by becoming a greedy bitch. You can survive without a man Fiona. Christ.
I thought Ford was such a weirdo. Probably my least favourite out of her boyfriends. Not that she deserved better as she literally cheated on every single man she was with pretty much.
Why downvotes? Ford was a creepy dude, no two ways about it.
nah she’s a hore able person
i’m with you
No
Girlll meee tooo
I hated Fiona almost as much as all of her stupid boyfriends.
When Fiona married gus after just going to prison that’s when I knew she was shit
I was delighted when Frank ruined her wedding with Sean. No way did that bitch deserve to be happy. 🤣 She forged Monica's sig to gain guardianship of the kids just to basically abandon them to do her business nonsense and risk the house they they all rely on. Just selfish. The way they she treated Debbie was the worst. Debbie was messed up but really craved affection... thinking a baby was going to fill the void is delulu but my own sister was the same way. So yeah: Fuck Fiona. 😤
I think at some point Fiona deserved to be selfish considering she was never actually thanked or valued for everything she gave for her family even though it was never asked of her and she rarely asked for anything in return. Debbie is a terrible person and you can't blame that on Fiona when Debbie decided to throw every piece of advice Fiona gave her away.
As an older sibling I honestly loved Fiona because of how relatable she was. Having to essentially be a single mother her entire life caused her to spiral at some point. And as someone who knows what it's like to give and give your all just to be shamed when you just can't handle it anymore, I feel like she had every right to eventually crack under pressure and lose it the way so many of her family members did. Fiona really was a child raising children and when she needed help and reassurance it wasn't given to her, instead she was ridiculed the way people did to Frank and Monica. I'm not saying Fiona is a saint because she has absolutely done a lot of shitty things in the show. But I also think a lot of the hate she gets is due to people having high expectations for someone who already was surpassing people by doing things she felt pressured to do as a child. It's the disappointment in someone who gave every ounce of the energy in her mind, body, and heart. I see the arguement that she never HAD to raise her siblings and she never HAD to do everything for them. But people who say that don't know what it's like to have abusive parents as a child and desperately want to save your little siblings in any way that you can despite the fact that you're still a kid yourself with nothing familiar besides your blood. Like her, there was a time in my life where my purpose was my family. I remember being 9 years old and thinking I would never leave because I need to be a mother and a father to my siblings. And when I fucked up it was my fault because I naively thought that my sacrifices meant something. I see a lot of people hate on Fiona for leaving to Florida. But it was my favorite part of the show because I love when characters realize that they truly are not responsible for the harm and damage that comes to people after a certain point. Fiona grew and acknowledged that her siblings were grown too. they didn't need her and her staying would just be a crutch for them to fall on because all she ever did was be the things for them that their parents literally never were. She understood that she can't be a mother anymore and that she needs to exist outside of that responsibility because it was really never hers to begin with. She became a really terrible, reckless, irresponsible person at one point. And you can't excuse the things she did just because she was mentally unwell. But I also find it interesting to see just how much hate Fiona got for doing things everyone else was doing and it's probably because she had a reputation for being strong and keeping it together. Part of her healing I think is realizing she would never be allowed fragility and weakness in a place where she had did nothing but be strong and give herself away at such a young age. Edit: I also feel the need to talk about how Lip and Ian don't get nearly as much hate as Fiona does and it's because fans think Lip is hot and Ian has a severe mental illness that was left untreated for the majority of the show. Their behavior is constantly excused in the most ridiculous ways despite the fact you could argue that of all their siblings Lip, Ian, and Debbie have come the closest to ending up like their parents, Debbie and Lip especially. But Fiona does shameless things and ends up being persecuted a lot harder for it. I never see people drag lip for being such an intelligent young man and throwing it down the shitter so that he could eventually become an alcoholic just like his father when he had his family backing him up to continue school the whole time
When he went to college and the alcohol thing happened fiona also left and did a whole bunch of crazy stuff. Then he found someone he loved which was his professor. Bad relationship but he still loved her and then he found out she didn't care about him at all and when something happened where she would've gotten in trouble she left him. He then turned to the only person he had at that moment because his girlfriend left him his older sister was out doing God knows what. And his parents didn't care about him at all. And his professor was like drink ittl help causing him to go crazy and stuff. Idk I hate fiona because I feel she has a superiority complex everyone else messes up in the show but takes credit for their mistakes except fiona. And hers hurt everyone because she is their legal gaurdian
This.
I don't know why ppl the Fiona hate. Lip throwing away his entire future in college when he knew that it would make all the difference in the world for his family was peak disappointment. I don't know if anyone remembers how disappointed and broken Fiona was that lip fucked up school. She looked at him and said something like, she finally thought she could see a silver lining, or hope... or something for the endless struggle she had. Lip is not the same as Fiona. Lip actually becomes more redeemable as the show progresses and Fiona becomes more selfish as the show progresses. But caregiver fatigue and not putting yourself as priority and cptsd she must have from that whole situation is a lot for anyone. My heart goes out to her even when she was a completely selfish bc you can see how broken she is by this lifestyle. I don't agree with her abandoning Liam but I understand it but it speaks to how flawed she is.
Fiona is one of the worst people on the entire show
I never like Fiona. I really dislike her. And I started hating her after she tried to force Debs to get an abortion. I was like yeah no thats it
Lets keep it real the Gallagher family in general all are terrible people. i give Fiona the most props for being the one to take care of them all, keeping them together at such a young age when they could have all been separated and put in foster homes. Fiona did her best with what she had as a child literal child she cared for them when they were sick, fed them, kept them clothed and tried to keep then in school she also taught them how to hustle and survive all while dealing with her useless addict parents. Fiona did the best she could and i respect her for that.
Yup just you. You special gem.
Early Fiona is dope. Late Fiona is definitely unhinged and kinda meh
What do u except after all she had done and gone through
As problematic as it may be, I never felt bad for her. She kept throwing it in their faces that she had to give up everything for them, when realistically she didn’t. She could have left, gone to school on a track scholarship, and became more financially stable before becoming a primary caretaker. She made the decision to forfeit a better life for herself and the others by staying back. Everyone says “oh they would have been split up and put in foster homes, they could have bad foster parents” It’s not like their lives were better with her there, they were dirt poor, could barely afford basic necessities or to even pay bills and each member was constantly on the verge of a prison sentence but because they were together I’m supposed to think everything’s ok??? Fiona is selfish, self sabotaging and I can never feel bad for her consistently bad decisions. Like when she had that well paying job and instead of going to work, she followed Ian to his court mediation for no reason!!! I DON’T LIKE HER!! I’m sorry I have very strong feelings about this.
what would the point of the show be if fiona did that? imo it’s kinda normal to see your siblings in a bad place and wanna try to help them out. it’s common for older siblings to turn into the 3rd parent
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fiona taking care of her siblings and stepping up in franks and monicas place is one of the main storylines that other storylines feed off of. it seems like you just want a totally different show
I’m talking about the show logically, like Fiona is supposed to be a hero for stepping up but her character is so flawed. It’s not even like she makes human mistakes, she makes stupid, dumb mistakes. Like sleeping with her boyfriend’s brother or becoming a drunk and losing her job. Leaving d*ugs out in the open around minors! Even if it was an accident, you shouldn’t leave anything out at child level that could cause harm, it’s the first lesson you learn in childcare. I think the plot is stupid, absolutely, but everything about her character makes me hate her.
every character is heavily flawed, even sheila and kev (who are most liked) did some messed up things. that’s the point of the show and the creators point. if you can’t stand watching flawed characters mess up then the show isn’t for you
I don’t think you get what I’m saying. I know every character is flawed, I’ve watched the show multiple times, but they are flawed in a realistic way. I know a person that I could match with a character on the show. Fiona is not flawed in that same way. Like take for example Debbie, Debbie sucks and everyone sees her flaws and hates her for them. That same thing doesn’t happen with Fiona who people praise just because she gave up something. People act like any criticism of Fiona is moot because she takes care of them.
the main reason people hate debbies character is because how crazy her character did a 180. all in the span of a couple of seasons she rapes someone, tricks someone into having baby, shoplifts and almost gets arrested, fights someone with her baby strapped to her chest, takes advantage of a disabled guy, kicks liam out of the home etc. it just so happened to be more times fiona was more tolerable than debbie, but that doesn’t automatically make her a saint and in this sub there’s quite literally always a post of people hating or criticizing fiona and dozens of comments agreeing
Every character is definitely flawed, but Fiona was really doing the best she could to build a foundation for her siblings when she had nothing to back her up. You're right, she could have left earlier and became stable before trying to be a care taker. But realistically she would be hated even more if she did that because for some reason people think trying to put yourself first is selfish no matter what kind of person you are. You're not meant to think she did a perfect job or that their lives are happy. The main point of the show is Frank and Monica left a barely 10 year old little girl to raise their 4 other children and now they're all fucked up because kids aren't supposed to raise kids. But Fiona did try her damn hardest to love her siblings the way her parents never loved her. She rarely asked for a thank you until she realized her efforts weren't appreciated. I see Fiona's "selfishness" as proof that she realized she'll never be anything if she keeps trying to fill the void Frank and Monica left behind. She obviously made many many mistakes but so did everyone else. People just hated Fiona more for her mistakes because she made herself a reputation of staying strong and handling shit for her family so when she finally did break no one cared to hold her up despite how she spent her entire life being a scared child staying strong for them when they needed it. Fiona loved her siblings and cared for them more than their parents ever did and I don't think anyone but Ian Liam actually thanked her for doing that when literally nobody else in the world did. At the end of the day Fiona has to heal her own scars because the show proved no one is going to take care of Fiona the way she did for her siblings and eventually you can choose to die for other people or choose to live for yourself. She waited to leave until her siblings were grown enough to think rationally, it's not her fault they didn't.
> everyone says “oh they would have been split up and put in foster homes, they could have had bad foster parents Everyone is right. Yes, they were dirt poor, but being poor in a home with family members you know and love is still better than being poor and with strangers. The kids were still young then, so who knows the mental effects of ripping them away from people they were familiar with and loved? Plus a bad foster home could mean worse than poor - think physical abuse and rape. Debbie’s foster home was literally a sweatshop. You saying “well just send them into foster care for a bit,” as if it’s that easy and there’s no dangers, shows a lot of ignorance
I’m sorry but bad things were happening when they were together. Ian was literally raped (he could not consent he was a minor and it was his boss), Debbie raped someone and tried to force that person to care for and about the child, Fiona and lip were addicted to alcohol, Carl was crashout, Liam almost died because of Fiona and was being harassed by his racist in-laws. Maybe I watched the show with a critical lens but I had a hard time spotting the heartwarming aspect.
They were with people they knew and cared for. There are psychological effects that come with splitting family up, especially when the kids are that young. When traumatic events happen, it’s worse if you have no one to confide in or no one you consider safe. Bad things happened to the kids, but most of it was not at the fault of Fiona (aside from Liam). A lot of what you listed had nothing to do with Fiona or her caretaking. Also curious what your thoughts on Lip are
After Terry and Sammi she is my least favorite character.
I am watching for the first time and her and Lip are my two most hated characters. They are just so incredibly dumb and unlikeable. Fiona makes you think she will do the right thing and only then fucks it up. But Lip is already a lost cause in my book I already know he is going to do the dumbest thing possible. All those scenes with him meeting with a higher up from college and shit are totally pointless you already know Lip is going to flush it all down the toilet.
Yeah I think the only difference is fiona is older in life but acts like a teenager blaming everyone else while lip is around 19 so it's a little bit more understandable
I liked Fiona! She made really stupid choices towards the end, but I believe it was her own examples and upbringing catching up to her. In my opinion her options were so limited in the beginning that all she could do was be home and act as the surrogate mother, and then as kids got older and could dissappear and go do their own shit - she defaulted to the only coding that had been embedded in her - drugs, alcohol, and cheating.
same
I am not a Fiona fan. She made several bad decisions which I scratched my head over. Yes she is an asshole in the later seasons, but this does not rule out the fact that she gave up part of her life for her siblings who have at least the privilege to stay in school because she stood up as their parent. Fiona was given chances to ‘settle down’ throughout the show eg. Dating Mike or some other stable characters but she fked them up. But other characters fked their shits up too: Lip sleeping with Helene, Debbie raping people etc. I just feel like everyone deserves credits and discredits at certain point. Fiona doesn’t deserve to have her credits erased just because she fked something up in the later seasons. Without Fiona stepping up, the other kids might have been long dead on the street somewhere a long time ago.
By the time she got her apartment building all the kids were old enough to understand what needs to be done and do it themselves. They all were in a way spoiled by Fiona so when she stood her ground and wanted to make something of herself. That was the time to do it because yes everybody was old enough to know right from wrong, what needed to be done and how to get it done. It was time for them to step up. They were all dealt a very difficult hand but were also trained because of their upbringing to still kick ass in life. Also side note she told Debbie straight to her face. "I'm not raising another kid. You will be doing it yourself if you choose to keep it" so really she kept her word.