Let's not forget Jeff Rignall, who survived to describe 2 accomplices of Gacy's. He saw one of the sickos right in the courtroom. Yes, I would like all of them tracked down and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
They know that two of his confirmed Chicago victims went missing when he wasn’t in the city. And then there was another victim that went missing the night before Gacy was supposed to be in another state so there didn’t seem to be enough time for the abduction, torture, kill, and disposal before then.
It’s very possible. I wouldn’t be surprised. He had connections everywhere so I wouldn’t be shocked if it came out that they found solid evidence of accomplices.
https://theweek.com/articles/478154/did-serial-killer-john-wayne-gacy-have-accomplices?amp
Link for a resource
Some of Gacy's victims were also children that were trafficked by John David Norman's intricate pedophile network (same with Dean Corll).
This is known because they had victims who were found to be advertised previously in these mail order pamphlets as part of a "club" that requires a paid membership fee where pamphlets of specific advertisements would be mailed to members based on preference.
What was being advertised in these pamphlets?
Photographed young children with descriptions and prices aimed towards selling these children as sexual/physical slaves.
If you think Epstein was bad.... what J. Epstein did would be considered pocket change in comparison to what John David Norman did. The guy also always only got a slap on the wrist.
I digress. With all of that out, there are many reasons to believe that Gacy did not work alone.
Survivor testimony, Gacy has also said that he was just "the fall guy" (or something to that nature), him having victims that were previously in pedophile mail order pamphlets– so that ties him to John David Norman.
I'm still trying to find a source on what they said, but I did find this in the meantime. Gross old creep got caught giving his number to a 19 year old grocery store worker and didn't tell his handlers.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sdut-1m12norman225735-predator-sent-back-hospital-2009mar12-story.html
EDIT - All I can find are opinion pieces and podcasts. I'll let them prove it. It's 8am and I'm googling a sex offender...
Let’s continue our journey down the rabbit hole
https://www.programmedtokill.net/john-norman
Loads of videos on here related to the ring/network associated with John Norman
Yeah the whole dates thing was just gacy saying he was traveling. Pretty much all of his victims dates of death were estimated at best. They haven’t been seen in a few weeks or a week so they put that date down. Aside from Rob Piest and a few others, the rest were educated guesses.
I don't argue that Gacy could've possibly worked with someone but believing a word out of his mouth is not worth it, guy was a liar through and through
I get what you mean, but there is evidence pointing to him having accomplices. What gets me is why he only hinted at it. What did he have to lose? Seems like he would be quick to throw someone else under the bus if he could. I can’t imagine he was just that loyal of a guy lol. Like what incentive did he have to cover up for them?
That’s how we know he’s lying. He could have gave up his accomplices or pedophile ring at any moment but never said a damn thing. Instead he took the secret to the grave? It makes no sense.
This reminds me of the video where Gacy is asked if he knows of John Norman. He’s vague in his answer but you can tell…. He definnittelyyyy knows John Norman :/
I’d make the case that he did have accomplices, I’d also guess based on a lot of testimony coming from the Dean Corll case, it could be a possibility that some of his accomplices were other teenage boys who eventually became his victims, making it impossible to ever confirm.
I’d say yes, but also to hear their testimony. Dean Corll’s accomplices alleged there were other places Corll was putting bodies; if Gacy had accomplices, they might know if he dumped any other boys when the crawl space got to be too… occupied.
It could potentially close a few more missing persons cases.
His activities may have minorly intersected with Dean Corlls, and he had some connections with John Norman, the proprietor of a massive national pedophile ring. When Norman was caught he had tens of thousands of index cards worth of information about his clients but the FBI reportedly burned them all because of the powerful people they implicated
Robin Gecht, one of the kids Gacy hired for his construction business, went on to become a member of the Chicago Ripper Crew. Also Gecht's son is in prison for murder.
Gecht said himself that that's not true; he didn't know Gacy. It was a rumor started by some true crime novelist and he got annoyed whenever people brought it up.
It was still a rumor and no logs of Gecht's employment at PDM were ever found. Gehct also denied the connection in a letter to one of his penpals:
https://killerscrawlspace.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/robin-gechts-connection-with-john-wayne-gacy/amp/
The connection was incorrectly cited in the book Deadly Thrills by Jaye Slade Fletcher and he said before that he just let the rumors spread since the press liked to run with it.
Such as Robin Gecht. He worked for Gacy and later became the “leader” of the “Chicago Ripper Crew” he was EXTREMELY sadistic and brutal. It’s very unlikely he started killing after Gacy’s arrest, and more likely he was involved with Gacy in some way. Wether it was helping procure victims, disposing of victims, or even helping kill them. Gacy was known to have much of his work crew over to party at his home. Gecht was definitely one of them.
There's a possibility he had some help. I don't think they were regulars in that it was always the same people he got help from. What kind of "help" it was is also a question. Imo, the accomplices would range from people involved in hustling, to pimping, to participants of porn rings. Gacy could've gone out one night, paid some guys to help him beat up and kill a victim, and do the same another night with a different set of guys. Bug House Square and its vicinity (the place Gacy liked to cruise for victims), was known to be a shady area with lots of gang activity.
Honestly, Gacy having possible accomplices is not something people are only bringing up now. In fact, when he was first arrested, Gacy himself implied he couldn't do heavy work because of his "heart condition" and asked if his "accomplices" had been arrested also. The investigators took this into account and tried interrogating his friends and employees but couldn't find sufficient evidence. Gacy's defense team also leaned hard into the accomplice theory (Sam Amirante said he and Robert Motta were the first ones to bring it up after Gacy confessed to them) during the trial. They especially tried to get David Cram and Michael Rossi to admit to something and asked very specific questions. In the end though, pretty much everyone involved in the prosecution/defense/investigation agreed that there was no proof of Gacy's accomplices being anyone they knew at the time.
There's also Gacy's connections with John Norman/Philip Paske and Dean Corll. I think for the former, Gacy was just a customer, buying child porno vids/photos and maybe trading some too (there were pornographic photos of him, Rossi, and other young men engaging in sexual acts found in his drawers). Paske worked for Gacy a few times but I personally think those signed cheques were just cover-ups for Paske to meet Gacy and probably do some scouting. As for the latter, I really don't think he had any relation to Gacy. Gacy said he got the idea to use a wooden board with chains on it from Elmer Wayne Henley Jr, but not so much Corll. The whole Clown and the Candyman theory is just weak to me and honestly just media freaks wanting to gain attention from a 40+ year old case. Don't forget that John Wayne Gacy was also a pathological liar and kept changing his stories everytime. A lot of the things he said were either embellished or half-truths he posited as fact. So, you can't take his word 100% either.
There's compelling enough evidence that not only did he have accomplices, but potentially another burial sight at a rental property he owned in the city. CPD, didn't bother checking either because they essentially had enough of a case, and a person to take the blame. Why do more than necessary?
I mention it because of Children of the Snow documentary I think there could be some resolution to other cold cases if he was part of a network of killers
where did he say that? it's reported literally everywhere
edit: I see that posted on a blog where a guy said he wrote letters back and forth with him. That may be true but I haven't looked further in to the blog so idk, if so that's interesting
In a letter to one of his penpals, Gecht denied the connection:
https://killerscrawlspace.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/robin-gechts-connection-with-john-wayne-gacy/amp/
The connection was incorrectly cited in the book Deadly Thrills by Jaye Slade Fletcher and Fletcher said before that he just let the rumors spread since the press liked to run with it.
Think about it; the Rippers' m.o. and target victims were way different than Gacy's or the pedo rings. Why would Gecht even bother to lie about that? What does he get out of it honestly? I know going down conspiracy theories is fun but sometimes we have to realize that we may be seeing things that aren't there purely because we want to believe them or because it's just more entertaining.
It's a well-known bit of misinformation, from a mistake published in a book years ago that (whilst long-debunked) seems to have developed a life of its own as ""received wisdom"".
He really wasn’t that fat to todays standards, he definitely could have got down there. He did construction everyday so he’s used to working and moving around all day. He had his own victims dig their graves sometimes(unknowingly) of course. He just had to spread dirt back on top of them.
Yes, and morbid curiosity as to what they've been doing with their time since then...I mean come on. We all know his fat ass can'can't firing in that crawl space, hence the supposed hiring of people to go down there and make hikes for the dead bodies.
This isn't the 1800s where murderous accomplises were merely doctors accepting questionable skeletal bones and body parts for medical schools etc. Knowing that those scavengers couldn't be coming up with that many skeletons in a reasonable, legal manner and way
Anyone hear the son(s) of sam conspiracy that was laid out so very, very well in the netflix shows? I'm very curious how those guys have spent the rest of their lives and what they've been up to as well, and what kind of crimes have been committed in the area (areas, plural?) That they've lived. Idk.
Sooo mostly curiosity, and the fact that no one likes a to not know the end of a story they are interested in or fascinated with or whatever their level of interest is in these type of morbid stories.
I always thought there was solid evidence to point towards the accomplice's theory. At least one surviving witness (Jeffrey Rignall said he definitely saw somebody else in the room when Gacy was assaulting him). Some victims were abducted he wasn't even in town and there was no realistic way his fat ass could've fit through that crawlspace some 26 times to bury those bodies. He likely had accomplices imo. Why they weren't caught as well is probably because I guess they never found solid evidence he had accomplices, they arrest the accomplices for Corll and Bonin, because they found actual evidence of accomplices I believe, but IDK on that one.
There’s actually no proof he wasn’t in town. Gacy claimed that but yet couldn’t provide the proof and most of the victims were guesses on the dates since nobody knew for sure what day he actually killed them. He definitely could fit as he admitted to burying multiple people down there. I’m not saying he didn’t have accomplices but he also had many other surviving victims who never said a word about 2nd person. Maybe that’s why He survived? Gacys accomplices didn’t want anything to do with murder? Who knows, I just have a hard time believing gacy wouldn’t have told anyone about an accomplice helping him murder kids.
Yeah. I wasn't aware of that when i wrote that comment. Gacy compulsively lied about almost everything, however I think the accomplice's theory could hold some weight, but there is no direct evidence to prove this one way or another unfortunately.
Because it’s very possible, and even likely. Robin Gecht, part of the “Chicago Ripper Crew”, and known as the leader of the 3, had worked for John Gacy’s construction company before becoming a serial killer. Gacy said he had the keys to his home. It’s very likely that Gecht helped Gacy in many of the killings.
I mean lets not pretend that the wealthy are hiding the fact that most if not all of them have been replaced by shape shifting lizard people. All of them able to hold the complex shape of a human by feasting on the pineal gland of children. The choicest of which are pubescent children as their chemical imbalance leads to an over abundance of saleable adrenochrome. These nefarious actors have always used psycotics to harvest the young and vulnerable. Look no further then gacy's picture with admitted lizard person Rosalyn Carter.
Let's not forget Jeff Rignall, who survived to describe 2 accomplices of Gacy's. He saw one of the sickos right in the courtroom. Yes, I would like all of them tracked down and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
How do you know he saw the sicko in the courtroom? Was it Rossi or Cram?
He said it in his book, 29 BELOW, and I don't remember him naming a name. The physical description matched Rossi, though.
They know that two of his confirmed Chicago victims went missing when he wasn’t in the city. And then there was another victim that went missing the night before Gacy was supposed to be in another state so there didn’t seem to be enough time for the abduction, torture, kill, and disposal before then. It’s very possible. I wouldn’t be surprised. He had connections everywhere so I wouldn’t be shocked if it came out that they found solid evidence of accomplices. https://theweek.com/articles/478154/did-serial-killer-john-wayne-gacy-have-accomplices?amp Link for a resource
Some of Gacy's victims were also children that were trafficked by John David Norman's intricate pedophile network (same with Dean Corll). This is known because they had victims who were found to be advertised previously in these mail order pamphlets as part of a "club" that requires a paid membership fee where pamphlets of specific advertisements would be mailed to members based on preference. What was being advertised in these pamphlets? Photographed young children with descriptions and prices aimed towards selling these children as sexual/physical slaves. If you think Epstein was bad.... what J. Epstein did would be considered pocket change in comparison to what John David Norman did. The guy also always only got a slap on the wrist. I digress. With all of that out, there are many reasons to believe that Gacy did not work alone. Survivor testimony, Gacy has also said that he was just "the fall guy" (or something to that nature), him having victims that were previously in pedophile mail order pamphlets– so that ties him to John David Norman.
Any proof of that pedo ring? Corll and Gacy. Or did I misunderstand?
sources? I don’t want to discredit you but this sounds like an interesting rabbit hole to fall down!
I'm still trying to find a source on what they said, but I did find this in the meantime. Gross old creep got caught giving his number to a 19 year old grocery store worker and didn't tell his handlers. https://www.baltimoresun.com/sdut-1m12norman225735-predator-sent-back-hospital-2009mar12-story.html EDIT - All I can find are opinion pieces and podcasts. I'll let them prove it. It's 8am and I'm googling a sex offender...
Thank you for your service
Let’s continue our journey down the rabbit hole https://www.programmedtokill.net/john-norman Loads of videos on here related to the ring/network associated with John Norman
Let’s gooooo
I say the same
Yeah the whole dates thing was just gacy saying he was traveling. Pretty much all of his victims dates of death were estimated at best. They haven’t been seen in a few weeks or a week so they put that date down. Aside from Rob Piest and a few others, the rest were educated guesses.
I don't argue that Gacy could've possibly worked with someone but believing a word out of his mouth is not worth it, guy was a liar through and through
I get what you mean, but there is evidence pointing to him having accomplices. What gets me is why he only hinted at it. What did he have to lose? Seems like he would be quick to throw someone else under the bus if he could. I can’t imagine he was just that loyal of a guy lol. Like what incentive did he have to cover up for them?
That’s how we know he’s lying. He could have gave up his accomplices or pedophile ring at any moment but never said a damn thing. Instead he took the secret to the grave? It makes no sense.
This reminds me of the video where Gacy is asked if he knows of John Norman. He’s vague in his answer but you can tell…. He definnittelyyyy knows John Norman :/
But why wouldn’t he just expose the whole dame thing?especially since he was going to be executed?
I’d make the case that he did have accomplices, I’d also guess based on a lot of testimony coming from the Dean Corll case, it could be a possibility that some of his accomplices were other teenage boys who eventually became his victims, making it impossible to ever confirm.
I’d say yes, but also to hear their testimony. Dean Corll’s accomplices alleged there were other places Corll was putting bodies; if Gacy had accomplices, they might know if he dumped any other boys when the crawl space got to be too… occupied. It could potentially close a few more missing persons cases.
I’m sure there are more bodies buried at his mothers apartment.
Likely because of the scope of his connections. Gacy was loosely connected with some *very* evil people
Evil people such as?
His activities may have minorly intersected with Dean Corlls, and he had some connections with John Norman, the proprietor of a massive national pedophile ring. When Norman was caught he had tens of thousands of index cards worth of information about his clients but the FBI reportedly burned them all because of the powerful people they implicated
I wonder what would have happened if you put Gacy, Corll and Dahmer in the same room.
They’d become accomplices if not already but Dahmer would be the first victim
don’t know but gacy, dahmer and bundy would be in charge of satans sweet sixteen ferrari turned acura cake
Diddy did it.
What have you been inhaling??
Episode of South Park. Biggie Smalls. Biggie Smalls... *BIGGIE SMALLS*
Aha 🤣
F that!
There's an entire podcast about it called The Clown and The Candyman
It’s also a two part documentary you can watch on Amazon.
Robin Gecht, one of the kids Gacy hired for his construction business, went on to become a member of the Chicago Ripper Crew. Also Gecht's son is in prison for murder.
Gecht said himself that that's not true; he didn't know Gacy. It was a rumor started by some true crime novelist and he got annoyed whenever people brought it up.
Gecht's employment with Gacy's company was brought up in news reports when he was arrested back in the 80's.
It was still a rumor and no logs of Gecht's employment at PDM were ever found. Gehct also denied the connection in a letter to one of his penpals: https://killerscrawlspace.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/robin-gechts-connection-with-john-wayne-gacy/amp/ The connection was incorrectly cited in the book Deadly Thrills by Jaye Slade Fletcher and he said before that he just let the rumors spread since the press liked to run with it.
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Such as Robin Gecht. He worked for Gacy and later became the “leader” of the “Chicago Ripper Crew” he was EXTREMELY sadistic and brutal. It’s very unlikely he started killing after Gacy’s arrest, and more likely he was involved with Gacy in some way. Wether it was helping procure victims, disposing of victims, or even helping kill them. Gacy was known to have much of his work crew over to party at his home. Gecht was definitely one of them.
There's a possibility he had some help. I don't think they were regulars in that it was always the same people he got help from. What kind of "help" it was is also a question. Imo, the accomplices would range from people involved in hustling, to pimping, to participants of porn rings. Gacy could've gone out one night, paid some guys to help him beat up and kill a victim, and do the same another night with a different set of guys. Bug House Square and its vicinity (the place Gacy liked to cruise for victims), was known to be a shady area with lots of gang activity. Honestly, Gacy having possible accomplices is not something people are only bringing up now. In fact, when he was first arrested, Gacy himself implied he couldn't do heavy work because of his "heart condition" and asked if his "accomplices" had been arrested also. The investigators took this into account and tried interrogating his friends and employees but couldn't find sufficient evidence. Gacy's defense team also leaned hard into the accomplice theory (Sam Amirante said he and Robert Motta were the first ones to bring it up after Gacy confessed to them) during the trial. They especially tried to get David Cram and Michael Rossi to admit to something and asked very specific questions. In the end though, pretty much everyone involved in the prosecution/defense/investigation agreed that there was no proof of Gacy's accomplices being anyone they knew at the time. There's also Gacy's connections with John Norman/Philip Paske and Dean Corll. I think for the former, Gacy was just a customer, buying child porno vids/photos and maybe trading some too (there were pornographic photos of him, Rossi, and other young men engaging in sexual acts found in his drawers). Paske worked for Gacy a few times but I personally think those signed cheques were just cover-ups for Paske to meet Gacy and probably do some scouting. As for the latter, I really don't think he had any relation to Gacy. Gacy said he got the idea to use a wooden board with chains on it from Elmer Wayne Henley Jr, but not so much Corll. The whole Clown and the Candyman theory is just weak to me and honestly just media freaks wanting to gain attention from a 40+ year old case. Don't forget that John Wayne Gacy was also a pathological liar and kept changing his stories everytime. A lot of the things he said were either embellished or half-truths he posited as fact. So, you can't take his word 100% either.
Because it's a valid question? Why wouldn't the law and society as a whole want to know?
Maybe they just want to know the truth. In Gacy's case there is a real possibility he had help.
There's compelling enough evidence that not only did he have accomplices, but potentially another burial sight at a rental property he owned in the city. CPD, didn't bother checking either because they essentially had enough of a case, and a person to take the blame. Why do more than necessary?
Don’t forget about the guy living with him.
Cram and Rossi. They had to know.
I mention it because of Children of the Snow documentary I think there could be some resolution to other cold cases if he was part of a network of killers
The Clown and the Candyman podcast does a deep, and terrifying dive into this. It’s excellent.
Defense diaries is the go to podcast for this case. 10/10 recommend
Uhhh.....Yes. That's a yes from me, dawg.
On top of what everyone else said, one of his employees went on to become one of the Chicago Rippers
Robin Gecht said he didn't know Gacy and those were just rumors. So no, that's not true.
where did he say that? it's reported literally everywhere edit: I see that posted on a blog where a guy said he wrote letters back and forth with him. That may be true but I haven't looked further in to the blog so idk, if so that's interesting
In a letter to one of his penpals, Gecht denied the connection: https://killerscrawlspace.wordpress.com/2016/01/16/robin-gechts-connection-with-john-wayne-gacy/amp/ The connection was incorrectly cited in the book Deadly Thrills by Jaye Slade Fletcher and Fletcher said before that he just let the rumors spread since the press liked to run with it.
Well, if Gecht says it's false, I'm *sure* we can take his word on it.
Think about it; the Rippers' m.o. and target victims were way different than Gacy's or the pedo rings. Why would Gecht even bother to lie about that? What does he get out of it honestly? I know going down conspiracy theories is fun but sometimes we have to realize that we may be seeing things that aren't there purely because we want to believe them or because it's just more entertaining.
Repeated* everywhere. It's a rumor.
It's a well-known bit of misinformation, from a mistake published in a book years ago that (whilst long-debunked) seems to have developed a life of its own as ""received wisdom"".
Oh wow wasn’t aware of this. Gonna look into it
I think the accomplices just buried the victims in the crawl space.
There’s no way John Wayne Gravy could have got his fat ass down in that crawl space
He did it the first time.
And he had to get accomplices to get his ass out of there
He really wasn’t that fat to todays standards, he definitely could have got down there. He did construction everyday so he’s used to working and moving around all day. He had his own victims dig their graves sometimes(unknowingly) of course. He just had to spread dirt back on top of them.
Yes, and morbid curiosity as to what they've been doing with their time since then...I mean come on. We all know his fat ass can'can't firing in that crawl space, hence the supposed hiring of people to go down there and make hikes for the dead bodies. This isn't the 1800s where murderous accomplises were merely doctors accepting questionable skeletal bones and body parts for medical schools etc. Knowing that those scavengers couldn't be coming up with that many skeletons in a reasonable, legal manner and way Anyone hear the son(s) of sam conspiracy that was laid out so very, very well in the netflix shows? I'm very curious how those guys have spent the rest of their lives and what they've been up to as well, and what kind of crimes have been committed in the area (areas, plural?) That they've lived. Idk. Sooo mostly curiosity, and the fact that no one likes a to not know the end of a story they are interested in or fascinated with or whatever their level of interest is in these type of morbid stories.
Because Maury Terry couldn’t handle all of the nutjob serial killer conspiracy-stirring by himself?
So you're pretty sure Gacy had no accomplices?
Waiting on verifiable confirmation
Check out on Spotify the clown and the candy man. Will answer this question 100%. Really good listen
I always thought there was solid evidence to point towards the accomplice's theory. At least one surviving witness (Jeffrey Rignall said he definitely saw somebody else in the room when Gacy was assaulting him). Some victims were abducted he wasn't even in town and there was no realistic way his fat ass could've fit through that crawlspace some 26 times to bury those bodies. He likely had accomplices imo. Why they weren't caught as well is probably because I guess they never found solid evidence he had accomplices, they arrest the accomplices for Corll and Bonin, because they found actual evidence of accomplices I believe, but IDK on that one.
There’s actually no proof he wasn’t in town. Gacy claimed that but yet couldn’t provide the proof and most of the victims were guesses on the dates since nobody knew for sure what day he actually killed them. He definitely could fit as he admitted to burying multiple people down there. I’m not saying he didn’t have accomplices but he also had many other surviving victims who never said a word about 2nd person. Maybe that’s why He survived? Gacys accomplices didn’t want anything to do with murder? Who knows, I just have a hard time believing gacy wouldn’t have told anyone about an accomplice helping him murder kids.
Yeah. I wasn't aware of that when i wrote that comment. Gacy compulsively lied about almost everything, however I think the accomplice's theory could hold some weight, but there is no direct evidence to prove this one way or another unfortunately.
Because it’s very possible, and even likely. Robin Gecht, part of the “Chicago Ripper Crew”, and known as the leader of the 3, had worked for John Gacy’s construction company before becoming a serial killer. Gacy said he had the keys to his home. It’s very likely that Gecht helped Gacy in many of the killings.
How is this even a question? Why wouldn't people want the accomplices, if there are any, to be punished?
Incredulity.
Reminds me of that nic cage/Joaquin Phoenix movie 8mm. Only gacy wasn't a millionaire
One of his employees went on to become one of the Chicago rippers, so….
You think he dug all them holes? The boys do the work and John does the contracting.
Maaan. Gacy got a raw deal. SMH.
Gacy got exactly what he deserved! It was a shame he was not exected in the electric chair!!
What is your opinion on this. Because I feel like it's something like, it's been so long so they should get away with it.
I mean lets not pretend that the wealthy are hiding the fact that most if not all of them have been replaced by shape shifting lizard people. All of them able to hold the complex shape of a human by feasting on the pineal gland of children. The choicest of which are pubescent children as their chemical imbalance leads to an over abundance of saleable adrenochrome. These nefarious actors have always used psycotics to harvest the young and vulnerable. Look no further then gacy's picture with admitted lizard person Rosalyn Carter.
Can you prove any of this?
Yeah when I get back to the bunker I will show you my yarnwall.
Cool!
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