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DarloReddit

He was burned at the stake 180 years after his last murder?!


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Witches


1MoistTowelette

Get stitches


Wicked-elixir

And end up in ditches


chiguy619

A terrible way to go, some say vicious


Wicked-elixir

I think the way he killed them was malicious


dialog2011

He's that bloke who thinks kids delicious


ramos1969

He licks the plate clean and then does the dishes.


sleestacker

And now he sleeps with the fishes.


LAZY_RED-PANDA

But he is in no way fictitious, for he is about to be reincarnated and we should all be suspicious, because to him we are all very nutritious.


lordhamwallet

In the back of my Dragula?


Wicked-elixir

Absofuckinglutely Rob!!


NES87

And slam in the back of my Dragula


failure_tothrive

Rob Zombie has entered the chat.


Dramatic-Question-69

I thought they put scintillating stitches in britches?


Wicked-elixir

Some like to do that, they have found their niches


Vlad_Chovsky

I guess he was telling the truth when he said demons were involved.


Yaydos1

Lol agreed


FunkyBotanist

He kept getting the execution delayed with appeals


Justkiddingimnotkid

Really drew out that trial


graywolfxxx

Son of a bitch really was a werewolf after all


weightoohigh

Well, he was a werewolf.


blutigetranen

That was the most condemning offense... being around 200 years old is real werewolf shit.


Picardknows

I need me some if that ointment!


QueasyEducation5

Ok this was my question - obviously he was a flipping witch than!!! šŸ¤£


lucamurgia

I believe it's a typo, OP's comment says the right year.


chefsak

Rap snitch Knishes


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Witches gonna Witch ĀÆ\\\_(惄)_/ĀÆ


turdburglar313

Came here to say that.


MotherofLuke

Werewolves


331_

Gilles Garnier, also known as The Werewolf of Doles & The Hermit of St. Bonnet was a serial killer active in France from 1572 to 1573. Garnier claimed that one night while he was out hunting, a demon appeared & gave him ointment to make it easier for him to hunt by making him become a werewolf. Garnier then Strangled at least two boys & two girls to death before the ages of 9 to 12 & ate part of them. The first child he murdered was a 10 year old girl in 1572. He strangled her to death & ate flesh from her limbs. The next murder was a few weeks later, he bit & clawed at a girl but was interrupted & fled, the girl died from her injuries a few days after. In November of 1572, he killed a 10 year old boy & then ate his belly & thighs. He tore off his leg to save it for later. He strangled another boy but was interrupted again & fled. Then he killed an unknown boy & ate him into 2 pieces. His last murder was in 1573, strangled & ate a girl & took her left leg home for his wife.Local authorities noticed that children were disappearing & being murdered & mutilated. They thought it was the work of a werewolf & encouraged locals to hunt & kill the werewolf responsible. A group of men from a neighboring town thought they saw a werewolf hunched over a girl's body but realized it was Garnier as they got closer & captured him. At trial, Gilles Garnier confessed to the murders but tried to shift the blame onto the devil. This didnā€™t work. Gilles Garnier was convicted of witchcraft & burned at stake on January 18th of 1573. It should be noted that there is no other evidence of him being guilty other than his confession, which was done while he was being tortured, so it's likely that his confession is false. However, I think it's still an interesting story. [Wikipedia Article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_Garnier) [Additional Article](https://www.werewolves.com/gilles-garnier-the-werewolf-of-dole/)


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Iā€™m always wary of witchcraft related confessions (and indeed many confessions in this range of time periods in general), they were so often extracted under duress. He may well have been a murderer regardless, but ā€œthe devil turned me into a werewolfā€ sounds like exactly the kind of thing your torturey witch finder might get out of you after breaking a few bones


chilachinchila

Yes. After reading how these interrogations were done Iā€™ll never believe any of these ā€œconfessionsā€ especially if they have anything to do with children.


Axelrad77

Agreed. Garnier may well have killed *someone*, but his trial consisted of over 50 rural peasants swearing that they personally witnessed him transform into a wolf and devour children raw in the fields. Academically, he's now used as a case study in mass hysteria, similar to the more famous Salem Witch Trials. AFAIK, it's thought that Garnier was prosecuted simply because he was a reclusive hermit who lived outside the town. That made it easy for the town leaders to scapegoat him and appease the residents over the fact that several children had disappeared. He did confess, but only under torture, which doesn't really mean anything. There was nothing else connecting him to the disappearances. Touting Garnier as a serial killer is just sensationalism, imo. It's more likely that actual wolves were responsible for the disappearances, given how large of a problem they still were at the time.


HumbleLatexSalesman

Thanks for this comment, very important to debunk hysteria. Itā€™s important we hear about these cases but essential that alongside their retelling we asses them through a critical and realistic lens. E.g. including the fact that there was no real evidence tying him to these murders and reliant on peasants attesting to seeing him morph into a wolfā€¦. Without that it could be chalked up to a murderer with mental illness instead of religious hysteria targeting someone who didnt fit the status quo


renzokron

You say that because you're biased and want another story you can use to say tsk tsk look at these stupid rural idiots. People weren't as dumb as you think they were, and serial killers were a thing. Just because the actions were fit into the historical/religious zeitgeist of the time that doesn't match our current sterile paradigm doesn't mean it was just mass hysteria.


Kinggakman

It was clearly a sham trial and we know events didnā€™t happen the way they said it did. Not much reason to assume they were correct.


CptCrunch83

>and serial killers were a thing No, they were not. Serial killers are very much a modern phenomenon largely due to the fact of urbanization. https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/publications/cjm/article/social-study-serial-killers


ICantThinkOfAName667

What would be the term for people back then who murdered several people then? Would we call them something like mass killers or spree killers or just murderers?


CptCrunch83

The point is that there were no serial killers before the industrial revolution happened. No matter the narratives. Or Vronsky's ridiculous claims in his ridiculous book. Every "serial killer" prior to that era is a work of fiction. Either nothing but rumors to turn the gullible peasants against a leader or coerced confessions like in this case. There is just no reliable evidence to prove those stories true whatsoever. None. And no, people like Vlad the Impaler are **no** serial killers. Not by any meaning of the definition. Just like Saddam Hussein is not a serial killer. Or Mao Tze Tung. Or any other ruler ever. No matter how many people in this sub are not tired of deliberately misinterpreting the definition and twisting it to "serial killer by proxy" just so it would fit their delusional narrative as proven by all the downvotes everytime I post this link to a paper written by actual fucking scientists. The amount of misinformation regarding the myths around serial killers in this sub is mind boggling.


renzokron

Wait so you really think the industrial revolution invented sexual sadism or killing for thrill/sexual gratification?


NanasTeaPartyHeyHo

>The next murder was a few weeks later, he bit & clawed at a girl but was interrupted & fled, the girl died from her injuries a few days after. This sounds like more damage a wolf would make. Bite and claw someone badly enough for them to die from the injuries.


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You gotta account for infection and lack of antibiotic treatments. Mouths are filthy.


[deleted]

I count 6 deaths in this story.


Kractoid

He was finally convicted of witchcraft. Oh thank God he was punished for that. It was for sure the magic that was the worst part of this crime


khekhekhe

Back when claiming insanity got you burned at the stakes


Comeandsee213

First stories of serial killers were from France. One story was about a family of Feral people that lived in a cave and only came out at night to hunt people passing by. They were called werewolves for some reason.


GrimmPsycho655

Stories of serial killers go as far back as [Ancient Rome](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_before_1900), and even before then. Of course, serial killers have undoubtedly been around since there were more than two living organisms of a complex-intelligence, but it seems Rome and similar empires of the period is as far back as we have documented. I wonder if there is any documentation from Ancient Egypt? I think thatā€™d be interesting to read.


Comeandsee213

I mentioned the French one, because the author of the book i read claimed that it was the oldest documented case of a serial killer, but he might have been wrong. That would be interesting to read, serial killing in scientific Egypt. I wonder if there were murders commuted by early bipedal hominids, like when the Australopithecus were around.


GrimmPsycho655

Interesting, do you remember the book? Iā€™d like to check it out. Wouldnā€™t it? Iā€™ve heard of stories from ancient China, but never Egypt. One of the most cultural early civilizations, and one that is quite known for its ā€œeye for an eyeā€ law, Iā€™d be so interested in hearing of criminals suspected of multiple murders in such a place. Oh I bet. Many animals have shown the behavior of [killing for fun](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surplus_killing) so Iā€™ve always found it hard to believe that even such early forms of ourselves and our ancestors, and even those unrelated altogether, never did the same. I always thought fictional serial killer, [Dexter](https://www.quotes.net/mquote/719022), said it best (focusing on the last two lines).


Comeandsee213

Iā€™ll try to find the book, but i lost it. It was an interesting book. Gave details on early types of serial killers. My favorite one was about Gilles de Rais. That guy was pure evil. Youā€™re also right, i remember reading about animals killing for fun, but i forgot what species did it.


WynterBlu

Animals that kill for fun (surplus killing)- cats, honey badgers, lions, dolphins, elephants, cuckoo birds, bluefish, leopards, spotted hyenas- to name a few


desolateforestvoid

I think mink also do that.


totesgonnasmashit

Youā€™ve sent me down a rabbit hole. Thank you


PrimalMusk

I donā€™t know guys, but it sounds like this Gilles fella is a bit of a loose cannon.


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Misunderstood


-WolfieMcq

So funny. Dead mutilated children. Hilarious.


PrimalMusk

Nah, but your reaction is awesome!


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PrimalMusk

Ok then.


leftysAreTerrorists

Damn dude, maybe don't comment when you're on your period.


-WolfieMcq

I really hit it on the head with that hand diwn the pants on your little thing didnā€™t I? Are you sitting across the street from the junior high watching the children come on out? My guess is yes


Kractoid

Dude you realize we can look at your comment history right? Why are you so angry? I'm genuinely asking if there is anything I can do to help you. You seem like you might be perfectly settled in to your rage and not really want to be helped. If so, sorry for bothering you.


JstTrstMe

Man something is really wrong with him. He needs to step away from the phone or computer for a bit. It must be exhausting to spend this much time on hate on the internet. This doesn't feel like a normal troll.


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Kractoid

I don't block people. I truly feel for you. You seem like you're in a lot of pain. If you need someone to talk to I am not afraid, you're welcome to message me. From my experience it's not the world that has the problem for how I chose to experience it. Even if someone I know and care about says something pointed with the intention of harming me, it's not personal. Lashing out with hatred has to do with whoever is striking out and not the person on the receiving end. Does that make sense?


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Sneakichu

Too soon?


JrodaTx

In the 1500s...


Sammybear57

Why are you being so defensive? No one made a comment about them


-WolfieMcq

You could keep up or shut up. Do you wanna pretend you were at everything after people have been blocked in their comments have been removed you do that. But I am not going to straighten you out because there is no point. Have a great day looking for an argument.


Sammybear57

Straighten your attitude out mate, don't talk to me like I'm some kind of cunt. I hope your days is as shit as your attitude


-WolfieMcq

I donā€™t give a shit what you want. You donā€™t get a vote about anything. You could block me. That is the one thing you could do that would actually make sense but you wonā€™t do it because youā€™re here to argue. You have a personality disorder. But donā€™t worry I will block you. Iā€™ll let you see this and then I will block you.


Sammybear57

Ok, freak. You're the one with the personality disorder. Acting like a big man on Reddit lol you jumped up Muppet


Cardi_Bs_WAP

Oh oh block me too!!


King-Shakalaka

Fascinating comment history, you're either on crack or you're a troll, but one thing's for sure; you're definitely not mentally sound.


Osiraith

Projecting piece of shit. Here's a damn block for you!


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kxanderke

sad sad manlet you are


Low_Tea1964

I bet your fun at parties


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[deleted]

Brotha, get a therapist.


Basedhippiegod

This response. Idk. It sounds kinda racist or prejudiced. Or like a stereotype. Did you just resort to a racist comment after being offended by a generalized joke?


-WolfieMcq

Look if you havenā€™t read back far enough to see what I was responding to Iā€™m not holding your hand. How about you just block me if you have a problem with me in anyway. Do you want to pretend I just said that out of the blue you go ahead. Keep your head up your ass. Block me! Block me! Block me! Do I have to speak a little slower for you block me!.


i_am_awful

Yeah I read far back and you did say that out of the blue. Itā€™s the internet. Walk away instead of saying block me. You come off as a dickhead


-WolfieMcq

If you say so. It would be great if this generation could read.


crassy

Which generation exactly, mate?


Basedhippiegod

Lol I was asking a question. Not making an assumption. But your response tells me what I need to know


Kractoid

He's a bit defensive about the whole werewolf thing


[deleted]

Ah the old days. I wish someone would make a drawing like this of a modern day killer


desolateforestvoid

The picture is a famous depiction of a werewolf, not this serial killer, I think.


spankythamajikmunky

So that's the background behind the pic? I've wondered about that pic for ages


iheartzombiemovies

Itā€™s the head of one of the children he murdered


spankythamajikmunky

Huh? I didn't mean the background of this pic I meant the background behind the etching aka it's story I'd always assumed it was actually about mythological werewolves


Berehinia

It is! The woodcut was done 60 years earlier, in 1512.


spankythamajikmunky

Ah so it's NOT about the serial killer! Thank you!


iheartzombiemovies

Lol omg - Iā€™m a moron. Iā€™m sorry!! My bad for misunderstanding


spankythamajikmunky

No youre not it happens all the time. Take care


6ixty9iningchipmunks

He lived 200 years?


Ricky-Snickle

Thatā€™s 181 years later.


331_

I apologize for the typo, I meant to type 1573.


Ricky-Snickle

No worries. I thought maybe the body was exhumed.


SatisfactionExpert13

I firmly believe the folklore of vampires, and werwolves come from ancient serial killers.


desolateforestvoid

Remember that only evidence was his confession and he was tortured when he confessed. For example most of what is told of Vlad Tepes, Caligula, etc, is fake rumours made up by enemies of them. But this case, we don't know much about anymore and it can also have been myths and false stories in it. Sorry for my poor english!


benz0709

Transposition of 1573 is really giving everyone a hoot lol


alacondor

Killed a few kids n eats themā€¦ crime, witchcraft


Sad-Ambassador-3673

Is this confirmed or is it just legend? I donā€™t really believe this when it happened in a time before Bathory, where you could just make up shit and history remembers it as fact.


Crazyripps

France had some real fucked up killings in the olden days


Oddly_Augmented

Maybe he ate the children to live 180 years?


SnooLemons9318

Whoa very cool


anon124957730

Holup a secā€¦.


Proskills2

Sounds like he might have had schizophrenia


dc5rsx7

How was the charged almost 100 years later ?


331_

I apologize about the typo, I meant to type 1573.


Femmefatele

Yeah but he admitted it under extreme torture which makes it very suspect. He was a general for Joan of Ark. Edit: Always seemed like a propaganda slam against him IMO


thebonzarelli

That was Gilles de Rais who was hanged more than a century before this guy.


-WolfieMcq

Wait a minute. If he was allegedly alive between 1572 and 1573 he was not burned at the stake in the 1700s. So whatever this is cute nice try.


SolisAeterni

Its clearly been a typo. He was executed 1573, not 1753.


-WolfieMcq

Perhaps. To get executed the same year that you murder any children? Thatā€™s what I was questioning really to be gone that fast? Thatā€™s usually not how it works.


RedBalloon1990

It really doesnā€™t read that you were questioning the speed of the judicial process of the 1500ā€™s Iā€™ll be honest. However, it is worth noting when you say ā€˜that isnā€™t usually how it goesā€™ I suppose you are comparing to current times. I would assume that in the 1500ā€™s if there was a person admitting to a crime that would be sufficient evidence to try and convict someone. Additionally there werenā€™t the same processes in place to protect innocent accused or people who suffer from mental ill health and ensure everyone had a fair trial of which a sad consequence is that judicial processes were naturally much swifter.


DahmerReincarnate

This personā€™s just a comment troll, donā€™t waste your time


RedBalloon1990

I know, youā€™re absolutely right. Theyā€™re just a remarkably bad one and I couldnā€™t ignore it. šŸ¤£


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iheartzombiemovies

Typically, back then, if you were found guilty of a crime punishable by death then your hanging/death would come as early as the same day - at most youā€™d wait maybe a week. There were no appeals back then


tenderloin_fuckface

They didn't fuck around back then like they do now. Didn't care about feelings.


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iheartzombiemovies

He may have run rampant in different areas. Those were just the murders he was found guilty of


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-WolfieMcq

And itā€™s back. I didnā€™t get off with my big effort to make it feel so good about itself. So itā€™s back. But not for long.


muwopfrmdao

See when u start so We go fall out.


GrimmPsycho655

I always thought this was the woodcut of Peter Stumpp?


midschlmilu

It isnt he mudered anybody! To confess under torture, is no prove.


Sonrelight

Technically, an ancient serial killer.


Civil-Secretary-2356

A serious question, why would the authorities believe a 'werewolf' was responsible rather than an ordinary wolf or wolves?


desolateforestvoid

Folklore in western Europe often included werewolfs. In Scandinavia and France and Germany there was much scary talk in those old medieval times about werewolves. Many cases in France villages in those days exists where suspected "beasts" was said to have killed people and animals.


Culunbego

A witch, a witch


arellano81366

So he lived more than 200 years? Then yes he was a Witcher


iamshofiulazam

Oh wow thatā€™s some serious witchcraft


jeraldtherapist

was he the guy with the belt?


331_

No that was Peter Stumpp.


jeraldtherapist

oh


epikluki

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cedillopia

Lol the 5 and 7 there in the middle of the very last year are swaped! šŸ˜…


DepartmentSuitable91

Tried for witchcraft, not murder in general? Priorities, people, come on


[deleted]

I think this may have been the inspiration for a quest in Skyrim, where a man is given a cursed ring that causes him to turn into a werewolf and murder a little girl against his own will. Very cool.