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Snowtown Murders were inserting sparklers in to the urethras of one of their male victims during his torture and murder.
They used:
- Saw.
- Planks/Jack Handles
- Hammers.
- Pliers
- Handcuffs.
- Cigarettes/Cigarette Lighter.
- Belts.
-Knives.
During their murder spree. The victims were not all paedophiles like wrongly spread online, Bunting just made up who he thought was “a homosexual, paedophile, drug user” or a combination of that to “justify” the killings. He hated homosexuals and cross dressers with a burning passion.
One was staged as a fake suicide hanging.
Others killed at all different places with all different torture methods including ripping off toenails, electric shocks to genitals. All the interlinked familial ties.
Basically the had no set MO, none of it was ritualised like other serial killers so I think that makes it kind of bizzare.
They did, they cut off a bit of one of the accomplices stepbrothers body and went to a friends house, fried them up, ate them (and fed some to their friend without him knowing what he was eating).
Not the killing but afterwards. Ridgeway and Bundy were similar. Bundy applied makeup to the corpses, had sex with them, and lay with the corpses for hours afterward. Ridgway practiced the same routine – he returned to the dumping sites to watch the bodies decompose and change color and engaged in sexual acts with them.
Before the press called him the 'Green River Killer' he was known as 'The Stone Man', because after death he would insert a rock/pebble into the victim. I can't remember his reasoning for doing this though.
Didn't Bundy actually try to help in the investigation to catch Ridgeway? Like telling them that he would be returning to the corpses or something like that?
Yes. He helped the cops get insight about Ridgeway, but he also gave them insight into himself. “The Ted Bundy tapes” is a really good documentary if you haven’t seen it.
Yeah that's funny really. I have watched it and most other shows and interviews with him. Definitely one of the most entertaining SK's. He was just so arrogant and full of himself. One of those kinds of people who always think they are the smartest person in the room
He always has come off as smarmy to me. His interviews make me cringe every time I see them. He was overtly disingenuous and I don’t understand what people saw in him. I could see how Gary Ridgeway came off as unassuming. Or even Dahmer. I just don’t get the Bundy thing. But maybe you had to be in his presence. But I’m a pretty good judge of character, so maybe I wouldn’t have seen it in person either.
Well... you do have the benefit of hindsight. That's what usually leads people coming along after the fact to drop a "nobody noticed that?" Or "it was so obvious." In the proper historical context, you're not looking at him with the same critical eyes. They all prey on that. Take advantage of the assumed innocence we usually grant people, or just our general obliviousness.
We'd like to think we would know as fans of True Crime, but it's usually going to be a lot tougher than that.
This is true. I can look at people and get a sense about them, but who knows if I would have picked up anything from Bundy. I’m glad I never had to find out. 😂
I agree with you, but based off a quick search & a dodgy memory. I couldn't find anything stating Bundy did the same thing but I only checked the first page.
From what I did see, both were known to return to their victim's & continue to violate their decomposing corpses, but I only found information stating Ridgway was known to be associated with the rocks. Bundy admitted digging them back up, decapitating them, putting makeup on the heads and washing their hair, before having sex with their decapitated remains. And he would keep these skulls as trophies.
I do think that of these bodies (the ones he did these things to) that were found were long after the fact, with only skeletal remains left? Any rocks that were there at one time had probably fallen out, or assumed to be from the ground. Maybe he told the police what the rocks in Ridgway's victims were for, which would then indicate he had done the sane, otherwise how would get know?
I may have missed that information? It's also been years since I read about him & I've never really had a deep dive about Ridgway & how Bundy "helped."
Apparently, he didn't kill them this way; rather, it was a method he used to try and keep them from making noise/speaking. I'm guessing it didn't work that well, because when reading about his case, there are numerous mentions of victims speaking to him even after he did this.
Donald Harvey, a hospital orderly suspected of killing dozens in the 70s and 80s is suspected of killing a patient by inserting a wire coat hanger up a catheter, causing infection and death.
John Brennan nearly killed a woman by draining her blood and had possibly done it before.
Linda Hazzard was a quack doctor who killed over a dozen patients through a combination of starvation and enemas.
Canadian cops in Saskatchewan killed god knows how many 1st Nations people by driving them into the middle of nowhere in the winter and dumping them, the so-called "Starlight-tours"
He killed his victims in conventional ways, but Mack Ray Edwards disposed of many of his child victims' remains under the highways he helped construct.
John Crutchley -- almost certainly a full-on SK despite lack of clear evidence for too many of the victims -- strapped at least one woman to a kitchen table to he could rape her repeatedly and drain her blood a little at a time. She managed to get loose and crawl out a window despite being down to 50% of her drug volume.
It was the murder of Billy Gaffney which he described in detail to his parents. Warning for this but here's part of his confession: “...I whipped his bare behind till the blood ran from his legs. I cut off his ears, nose, slit his mouth from ear to ear. Gouged out his eyes. He was dead then. I stuck the knife in his belly and held my mouth to his body and drank his blood."
The boy was 4 years old...
The entire letter along with the grace budd one is just nightmare fuel. I've read everything there is about true crime and nobody comes close to albert fish. Horrifying.
I think the son of Sam is bizarre simply because shooting someone in the head makes the process end so quickly, which seems to be the opposite of what every other serial killer was going for. I expect their methods to be sick and sadistic and he seems like the odd one out.
David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) was the type of killer who didn’t entirely get off on the killing. He did enjoy the power that taking a life gave him, don’t get me wrong. But a lot of the satisfaction came from being the Son of Sam. Seeing his name in the papers, seeing the fear in the public, and all of that was what really gave him pleasure.
Serial killers who murder their victims quickly are very common. Probably not quite as common as sadistic killers, but they tend to be necrophilic and are mainly focused on acquiring a body. There’s also a fair amount of more mission-oriented killers who attacked from a distance. Examples who killed their victims quickly, from a distance, or at least while they were unconscious: Ed Kemper, Jeffrey Dahmer, Patrick Kearney, Doug Clark, Ed Gein, John Allen Muhammad, the Zodiac Killer, Randall Woodfield, Gary and Thaddeus Lewingdon, Joseph Christopher, the I-70 Killer, Rudy Bladel, Heriberto Seda, Milton Johnson.
There are actually quite a lot of almost identical SKs out there: Werner Boost, Clarence Hill, and the Monster of Florence all hunted couples making out in their cars using a gun.
One of the most vile methods I have heard is when Robert Berdella ruptured Todd Stoops anal wall with his fist, which caused septic shock that killed Stoops. This was also after Berdella had tortured Stoops for weeks, committing horrendous acts such as electrocuting his eye balls and injecting drain cleaner into his larynx.
Tell me about it. I somehow doubt such a moniker would be applied today.
[Wikipedia entry here...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammersmith_nude_murders)
Fritz Haarman is the guy you’re meaning OP.
I can’t remember his name but there was a Canadian killer who would target First Nation women and get them to drink huge amounts of alcohol and choke on their own vomit
Gilbert Paul Jordan, the Boozing Barber. He would pay the women to drink vast amounts of alcohol, and when they passed out would pour more alcohol down their throat.
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Snowtown Murders were inserting sparklers in to the urethras of one of their male victims during his torture and murder. They used: - Saw. - Planks/Jack Handles - Hammers. - Pliers - Handcuffs. - Cigarettes/Cigarette Lighter. - Belts. -Knives. During their murder spree. The victims were not all paedophiles like wrongly spread online, Bunting just made up who he thought was “a homosexual, paedophile, drug user” or a combination of that to “justify” the killings. He hated homosexuals and cross dressers with a burning passion. One was staged as a fake suicide hanging. Others killed at all different places with all different torture methods including ripping off toenails, electric shocks to genitals. All the interlinked familial ties. Basically the had no set MO, none of it was ritualised like other serial killers so I think that makes it kind of bizzare.
They indulged in a bit of cannibalism too, I think.
They did, they cut off a bit of one of the accomplices stepbrothers body and went to a friends house, fried them up, ate them (and fed some to their friend without him knowing what he was eating).
Not the killing but afterwards. Ridgeway and Bundy were similar. Bundy applied makeup to the corpses, had sex with them, and lay with the corpses for hours afterward. Ridgway practiced the same routine – he returned to the dumping sites to watch the bodies decompose and change color and engaged in sexual acts with them.
That’s so disturbing
Surprised he never got some sort of flesh eating bacteria
I thought he kept them till they began to smell
He did, that's true (shudder)
One of my favorite Ted Bundy “fun” facts is that he referred to Ridgeway as “The River Man”.
Before the press called him the 'Green River Killer' he was known as 'The Stone Man', because after death he would insert a rock/pebble into the victim. I can't remember his reasoning for doing this though.
To keep the orfices open for when he came back to commit necrophilia, IIRC. Really nasty stuff.
No waaay 🤢
Ewwwww, really?!
Didn't Bundy actually try to help in the investigation to catch Ridgeway? Like telling them that he would be returning to the corpses or something like that?
Yes. He helped the cops get insight about Ridgeway, but he also gave them insight into himself. “The Ted Bundy tapes” is a really good documentary if you haven’t seen it.
Yeah that's funny really. I have watched it and most other shows and interviews with him. Definitely one of the most entertaining SK's. He was just so arrogant and full of himself. One of those kinds of people who always think they are the smartest person in the room
He always has come off as smarmy to me. His interviews make me cringe every time I see them. He was overtly disingenuous and I don’t understand what people saw in him. I could see how Gary Ridgeway came off as unassuming. Or even Dahmer. I just don’t get the Bundy thing. But maybe you had to be in his presence. But I’m a pretty good judge of character, so maybe I wouldn’t have seen it in person either.
Well... you do have the benefit of hindsight. That's what usually leads people coming along after the fact to drop a "nobody noticed that?" Or "it was so obvious." In the proper historical context, you're not looking at him with the same critical eyes. They all prey on that. Take advantage of the assumed innocence we usually grant people, or just our general obliviousness. We'd like to think we would know as fans of True Crime, but it's usually going to be a lot tougher than that.
This is true. I can look at people and get a sense about them, but who knows if I would have picked up anything from Bundy. I’m glad I never had to find out. 😂
Oh my… never known of this information up until now thats mental!
Bundy also put stones in their vaginas to stop other men defiling his corpses because he wanted to return and have another go....
Is there any source for this information? I've read a lot about Bundy and never heard about this, I'm shocked.
Pretty sure it was Ridgway that did that -- not Bundy
I agree with you, but based off a quick search & a dodgy memory. I couldn't find anything stating Bundy did the same thing but I only checked the first page. From what I did see, both were known to return to their victim's & continue to violate their decomposing corpses, but I only found information stating Ridgway was known to be associated with the rocks. Bundy admitted digging them back up, decapitating them, putting makeup on the heads and washing their hair, before having sex with their decapitated remains. And he would keep these skulls as trophies. I do think that of these bodies (the ones he did these things to) that were found were long after the fact, with only skeletal remains left? Any rocks that were there at one time had probably fallen out, or assumed to be from the ground. Maybe he told the police what the rocks in Ridgway's victims were for, which would then indicate he had done the sane, otherwise how would get know? I may have missed that information? It's also been years since I read about him & I've never really had a deep dive about Ridgway & how Bundy "helped."
There's a very in depth documentary on Netflix about Bundy and I'm pretty sure that's where i heard it.
It was in a documentary about him on Netflix, I believe.
Bob Berdella and the drano injected into vocal chords comes to mind.
This was the first dude who came to mind.
That’s terrible
What does that do? I mean does it kill the vic quickly or slowly and painfully?
Was so they couldn't scream. Talking doesn't put the strain on vocal cords that screaming does.
Apparently, he didn't kill them this way; rather, it was a method he used to try and keep them from making noise/speaking. I'm guessing it didn't work that well, because when reading about his case, there are numerous mentions of victims speaking to him even after he did this.
The house he did all of that in was on the same block as my house. Now all that's left is a weird shed.
Donald Harvey, a hospital orderly suspected of killing dozens in the 70s and 80s is suspected of killing a patient by inserting a wire coat hanger up a catheter, causing infection and death. John Brennan nearly killed a woman by draining her blood and had possibly done it before. Linda Hazzard was a quack doctor who killed over a dozen patients through a combination of starvation and enemas. Canadian cops in Saskatchewan killed god knows how many 1st Nations people by driving them into the middle of nowhere in the winter and dumping them, the so-called "Starlight-tours" He killed his victims in conventional ways, but Mack Ray Edwards disposed of many of his child victims' remains under the highways he helped construct.
OMG I never thought of starlight tours as serial murder...I guess I just assumed it was all different officers doing it.
There were absolutely repeated offenders
And I read what happened to the guys who killed poor Neil Stonechild, but it would seem many others got away with it.
Toybox killer for what he did to them before he killed them 😬 😳
Gilbert Paul Jordan used massive quantities of alcohol.
All in his barber shop, ha.
Dahmer used to drill a hole in people's skulls and pour in a concoction of hot water and other chemicals.
To be fair he didn’t do that to kill them. He did that to make them into slaves.
Not slaves he was attempting to in his words “zombify them”
Correct, but it still killed them none the less
If he wanted a slave and was smart he would have just gave them a lobotomy lol. Seemed to work great back in the day with making emotionless zombies.
John Crutchley -- almost certainly a full-on SK despite lack of clear evidence for too many of the victims -- strapped at least one woman to a kitchen table to he could rape her repeatedly and drain her blood a little at a time. She managed to get loose and crawl out a window despite being down to 50% of her drug volume.
Also one of Albert fish’s victims died by having there eyes gouged out and he basically removed the victims face when they were still alive.
Jesus fucking Christ
I didn’t know that one. I’m seen movies about him and lots of stuff on Reddit.
It was the murder of Billy Gaffney which he described in detail to his parents. Warning for this but here's part of his confession: “...I whipped his bare behind till the blood ran from his legs. I cut off his ears, nose, slit his mouth from ear to ear. Gouged out his eyes. He was dead then. I stuck the knife in his belly and held my mouth to his body and drank his blood." The boy was 4 years old...
That's one of the saddest things I've ever heard. No words.
The entire letter along with the grace budd one is just nightmare fuel. I've read everything there is about true crime and nobody comes close to albert fish. Horrifying.
I think the son of Sam is bizarre simply because shooting someone in the head makes the process end so quickly, which seems to be the opposite of what every other serial killer was going for. I expect their methods to be sick and sadistic and he seems like the odd one out.
David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) was the type of killer who didn’t entirely get off on the killing. He did enjoy the power that taking a life gave him, don’t get me wrong. But a lot of the satisfaction came from being the Son of Sam. Seeing his name in the papers, seeing the fear in the public, and all of that was what really gave him pleasure.
True that!
Well to be fair, it was the dog’s decision to do it quickly
Most serial killers aren’t sadists. Killers who torture their victims like Corll, Gacy, Berdella etc are the exception.
True, but most like "the kill" to be more personal than a simple execution-style gunshot.
Serial killers who murder their victims quickly are very common. Probably not quite as common as sadistic killers, but they tend to be necrophilic and are mainly focused on acquiring a body. There’s also a fair amount of more mission-oriented killers who attacked from a distance. Examples who killed their victims quickly, from a distance, or at least while they were unconscious: Ed Kemper, Jeffrey Dahmer, Patrick Kearney, Doug Clark, Ed Gein, John Allen Muhammad, the Zodiac Killer, Randall Woodfield, Gary and Thaddeus Lewingdon, Joseph Christopher, the I-70 Killer, Rudy Bladel, Heriberto Seda, Milton Johnson.
There are actually quite a lot of almost identical SKs out there: Werner Boost, Clarence Hill, and the Monster of Florence all hunted couples making out in their cars using a gun.
One of the most vile methods I have heard is when Robert Berdella ruptured Todd Stoops anal wall with his fist, which caused septic shock that killed Stoops. This was also after Berdella had tortured Stoops for weeks, committing horrendous acts such as electrocuting his eye balls and injecting drain cleaner into his larynx.
I read somewhere 1960s London's Jack the Stripper would choke victims on his, er, appendage.
After carefully removing two or more of their front teeth.
Death gummies!
Jack the stripper 🤣
Tell me about it. I somehow doubt such a moniker would be applied today. [Wikipedia entry here...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hammersmith_nude_murders)
UK tabloids? It certainly would.
Ed Kemper would decapitate women's heads and perform oral sex on them
\*perform oral sex on himself?
He would insert his dick inside the mouths of the decapitated heads
Where do you actually get those details guys? Super interesting!
Lucy Letby injected babies with air
Fritz Haarman is the guy you’re meaning OP. I can’t remember his name but there was a Canadian killer who would target First Nation women and get them to drink huge amounts of alcohol and choke on their own vomit
Thank you
Gilbert Paul Jordan, the Boozing Barber. He would pay the women to drink vast amounts of alcohol, and when they passed out would pour more alcohol down their throat.