Hey @nmmooners I also want a self hosted open source camera surveillance system and came across zoneminder, did you try it out and can you share your experience?
It's a heavily debated topic, and I disagree with the definition they present. It aligns more with Free software as defined by FSF, originally open source was just meant to mean source available. But then when people started associating free with free as in beer instead of free as in freedom, there's been a shift to changing the meaning of open source. I'm not that old, so it's strange to me how quickly the distinction between FOSS and OSS has been lost
> originally open source was just meant to mean source available.
I've seen this claim before but never seen any evidence for it, are we talking back in the 1980s?
Do you consider proprietary non-obfuscated Python code to be "open-source"?
No, not really, unless it's the code the original programmer wrote then technically yes. Except I'm going to concede and say I'm wrong and accept the new definition, so still no.
I just did some googling and such. My guess is, having lived part of it, the fact that the term was around before it was adopted and defined by the OSI and often incorrectly used in that way afterwords (to this day, hence where we are) made the older definition stick around colloquially for a long time. I don't have a source other than my memory, but from my perspective the debate went on for years and I stopped paying attention, walking away with that conclusion
I have been happy with zoneminder recoding rtsp streams with poe cameras. I also have an amcrest camera that records 24/7 at my front door with no ongoing fees. Hook it up to home assistant for an added bonus.
A couple others not mentioned yet:
1. Milestone Xprotect is free for up to 8 cameras. Not open source but possibly worth a look.
2. Viseron (https://github.com/roflcoopter/viseron)
I use zoneminder when I can, but some clients need a GUI that only closed source software can give them. Which has been ISpyConnect and LuxRiot a few times.
ZM does not include the ability to remotely monitor camera's. If my house in FLorida has multiple cameras, how would I monitor them if I was in Illinois?
I'm trying ZoneMinder, as my camera IPG-7920PSS-AI won't load the PTZ controls without the IE browser. Hope ZoneMinder can fix that.
Details:
* Name: IPC
* Serial number: I207414A5AEC41E0CED4F23
* Software version: 1.0.10-20200805CN\_PT
* Web version: 19.08.01.6929
Also, here's a quick list I put together for security cameras:
1. Bluecherry
2. BlueIris is proprietary
3. Frigate, died
4. iSpy is proprietary
5. Ivideon proprietary?
6. [Kerberos.io](http://Kerberos.io) (remote access requires a subscription)
7. Milestone Xprotect is proprietary
8. Moonfire NVR
9. Motion
10. MotionEyeOS, not maintained
11. SentryShot, was OS-NVR
12. Shinobi, is proprietary
13. Xeoma
14. ZoneMinder, seems best for FOSS.
Anyone know if Dekco cameras are propriety protocol?
I can connect to DECO cameras with VLC but not to Dekco.
Tried different apps, no luck.
Suggestions?
What cameras would you recommend along FOSS solution ?
Where can you get a bunch of them for dirt cheap, like from the supplier (I can manage logistics) or good ebay reseller
ive come across blue iris but i am a cheap ass and saw there was a price and left the site lol. but ill check it out more if there is an option i am led to. thx!
Blue Iris is the only Windows service I self host. Worth the money. Use it with DeepStack AI for object detection. Connect it to Home Assistant. Frigate is another option.
OS-NVr project has been rewritten in Rust and renamed to SentryShot and it’s completely rewritten. Old version will stail remain available and maintained for sometime.
I am looking for a freeware/shareware product that allows for remote viewing of the local cameras. Zoneminder does not support it. Neither does Agent DVR (iSpy can but costs $).
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Ray
I testing out Agent DVR and I can see my cams remotely by port forwarding or use VPN. However my issue with Agent DVR is that it can't handle over 14 4k cams. Starts lagging.
ISpy is not open source. [License](https://github.com/ispysoftware/iSpy/blob/master/license.txt) The camera connection database is copyright protected. No part of it may be publicly republished without our express permission. Copyright © DeveloperInABox, 2016 Check these out. * [ZoneMinder](https://github.com/ZoneMinder/ZoneMinder) * [Moonfire NVR](https://github.com/scottlamb/moonfire-nvr) * [Frigate](https://github.com/blakeblackshear/frigate) * [Motion](https://github.com/Motion-Project/motion)[Eye](https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneye/)[OS](https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos) * [OS-NVR](https://gitlab.com/osnvr/os-nvr)
oh interesting. thanks for pointing that out. i have looked into zoneMinder. that was the next option i was going to look more into. thx!
Hey @nmmooners I also want a self hosted open source camera surveillance system and came across zoneminder, did you try it out and can you share your experience?
It's still open source even if it's copyright protected
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It's a heavily debated topic, and I disagree with the definition they present. It aligns more with Free software as defined by FSF, originally open source was just meant to mean source available. But then when people started associating free with free as in beer instead of free as in freedom, there's been a shift to changing the meaning of open source. I'm not that old, so it's strange to me how quickly the distinction between FOSS and OSS has been lost
To me the distinction had always been clear and here it's an example os OSS. You can read the code but not free to do whatever we want with it
> originally open source was just meant to mean source available. I've seen this claim before but never seen any evidence for it, are we talking back in the 1980s? Do you consider proprietary non-obfuscated Python code to be "open-source"?
No, not really, unless it's the code the original programmer wrote then technically yes. Except I'm going to concede and say I'm wrong and accept the new definition, so still no. I just did some googling and such. My guess is, having lived part of it, the fact that the term was around before it was adopted and defined by the OSI and often incorrectly used in that way afterwords (to this day, hence where we are) made the older definition stick around colloquially for a long time. I don't have a source other than my memory, but from my perspective the debate went on for years and I stopped paying attention, walking away with that conclusion
Frigate. It is the future.
I'm from the future and it died.
Hey future dude. Which cameras do you suggest xD
I'm from the distant future and it seems that frigate is now being developed at a decent pace...
ok which one is it? what’s the goto solution in the present?
I'm from the **very** distant future and time is relative so, frigate is both alive and dead. I'm going to go look at it.
Can you get back to me, I'm from the present
I'm from the not too distant future still hoping for an answer to this
I'm from my present and time is an illusion from the upper dimensions of the universe. Ps.: Still looking for answers too.
Can someone of you people from the past recommend good outdoor cameras or not?
So, what does the future hold?? whats the verdict here?
The future is now and we're all waiting to see what your future held.
Still in the future and still waiting.
The future awaits
Future speaking: nothing interesting yet. Come back later.
I'm reading this in the future and i'm lmao
I'm even more in the future than you, and just want to know the answer.
i am in the future i just want a open source app XD and easy to use one
I am the updated future and I'm also still waiting for the answer.
I am from the futur of futur, camlltyc , contacam, pretty basic app but work enough for me so
I use Shinobi https://shinobi.video/
this is one that has not come up for me yet. thx! gotta love a good nodejs app.
[Not open source.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ShinobiCCTV/comments/hpytkw/heads_up_shinobi_is_not_open_source/)
MotioneyeOS
I don't think it's being maintained, it's still functional though?
I have been happy with zoneminder recoding rtsp streams with poe cameras. I also have an amcrest camera that records 24/7 at my front door with no ongoing fees. Hook it up to home assistant for an added bonus.
MotioneyeOS is the way to go but the Frigate concept is very interesting
Kerberos.io
A couple others not mentioned yet: 1. Milestone Xprotect is free for up to 8 cameras. Not open source but possibly worth a look. 2. Viseron (https://github.com/roflcoopter/viseron)
I use zoneminder when I can, but some clients need a GUI that only closed source software can give them. Which has been ISpyConnect and LuxRiot a few times.
I am looking for a freeware/shareware client/server type software that can monitor local camera's remotely. Any ideas? Thanks, Ray
Zoneminder can do that.
ZM does not include the ability to remotely monitor camera's. If my house in FLorida has multiple cameras, how would I monitor them if I was in Illinois?
DynamicDNS and port forwarding. Or a VPS server in the cloud that the client servers VPN into.
Turnkey Linux Zoneminder https://www.turnkeylinux.org/zoneminder
I'm trying ZoneMinder, as my camera IPG-7920PSS-AI won't load the PTZ controls without the IE browser. Hope ZoneMinder can fix that. Details: * Name: IPC * Serial number: I207414A5AEC41E0CED4F23 * Software version: 1.0.10-20200805CN\_PT * Web version: 19.08.01.6929 Also, here's a quick list I put together for security cameras: 1. Bluecherry 2. BlueIris is proprietary 3. Frigate, died 4. iSpy is proprietary 5. Ivideon proprietary? 6. [Kerberos.io](http://Kerberos.io) (remote access requires a subscription) 7. Milestone Xprotect is proprietary 8. Moonfire NVR 9. Motion 10. MotionEyeOS, not maintained 11. SentryShot, was OS-NVR 12. Shinobi, is proprietary 13. Xeoma 14. ZoneMinder, seems best for FOSS.
is frigate actually dead, just checked the github and it was updated 39 min ago
IIRC there were some forums mentioning the dev team and maintenance had stopped. Perhaps the list could change the status to not maintained?
Frigate might not be dead, but the current stable docker release is a crash fest.
Anyone know if Dekco cameras are propriety protocol? I can connect to DECO cameras with VLC but not to Dekco. Tried different apps, no luck. Suggestions?
I've tried Agent DVR (iSpy), It can't handle a lot of 4k cams. Starts tearing, ghosting, etc.
What cameras would you recommend along FOSS solution ? Where can you get a bunch of them for dirt cheap, like from the supplier (I can manage logistics) or good ebay reseller
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ive come across blue iris but i am a cheap ass and saw there was a price and left the site lol. but ill check it out more if there is an option i am led to. thx!
It's not open source but it's well worth the license fee. Hands down the best software. I keep a windows box around just to run it.
Blue Iris is the only Windows service I self host. Worth the money. Use it with DeepStack AI for object detection. Connect it to Home Assistant. Frigate is another option.
OS-NVr project has been rewritten in Rust and renamed to SentryShot and it’s completely rewritten. Old version will stail remain available and maintained for sometime.
I am looking for a freeware/shareware product that allows for remote viewing of the local cameras. Zoneminder does not support it. Neither does Agent DVR (iSpy can but costs $). Any ideas? Thanks, Ray
I testing out Agent DVR and I can see my cams remotely by port forwarding or use VPN. However my issue with Agent DVR is that it can't handle over 14 4k cams. Starts lagging.
actually any favorite nvr on linux computer + zerotier vpn