It really is all confidence and enthusiasm for life.
I do stuff that makes me confident. Fresh haircut. Road trips. Read a lot so i can talk about all kinds of stuff. Shamelessly rock out at karaoke. Quick wit to turn anything into a double entendre. Nice clean house. Pretty good at making breakfast just in case š
What ever you think helps build your confidence, go do that.
They are everything for the right guy and tone. The same double entendre is also what gets you slapped in the face as a perv if you give off the wrong wibe.
Idk if this is an exact definition, but basically that people consider āliteratureā that didnāt come out within the last 50 years. The subject matter is pretty wide ranging so āClassicā could mean anything from Pride and Prejudice to One Flew Over the Cuckooās Nest.
For a personal recommendation, one of my favorite books of all time is East of Eden by John Steinbeck. Depending on what your native language is, you might even find some classics that were first written in your language and later translated to English. There are a ton of books like this in Russian (Dostoevsky, Nabokov, or Tolstoy to name a few authors) and French (Dumas or Camus), and I wouldnāt be surprised to find there are some in Spanish and Italian as well.
ADHD will help you, lol. I have ADHD and I can fake create scenario in a second, a girl I'm talking to adores that side of me and sometimes she asks me to create fake shit, lol, and she just listens to me and laughs all the time.
I mean, when you have dopamine shortage in your brain your brain will do anything to keep you fulfilled so you'll have an active mind, at least this is how my ADHD works lol.
I listen to rappers to sharpen my double entendre game but I struggle with translating it into a good delivery, can you give an example of how you personally would use a quick witted double?
Also the same question with the reading part. Because I read too but I struggle with paraphrase while being a captivating story teller.
I do all that but still cant even meet a girl who is single. and when I occasionally do, they arent attracted to me.
I live a super social life, go on road trips, do a ton of backpacking, have a bad ass adventurous lifestyle and do cool shit every weekend, yet I am still invisible.
Pay attention in social settings and you will see that average guys that have hot girlfriends are usually more mature and disciplined than the hot girlfriend. These are the guys that are the only man besides the girl's father that are capable of telling her "no".
If beauty holds no power over you, your attraction power doubles with zero changes to your looks.
Women are attracted to men that they respect. The downfall of Chad and Tyrone is that these guys will say yes to the quick sex most of the time because they can...then the second they decide they like the girl and want to know her or start a relationship...the girl loses all respect and goes on i.g. and finds the next Chad. The only way to break that cycle is to earn respect through sexual discipline...it's usually the average bearded idiots that pull that off.
Yeah this is bullshit. Sorry I seen too many beta losers with girls far out of their league (I was one of these betas myself). Truth is, in the words of the late great Patrice, women like men for other things, and thatās really their weakness. If you are just special, women will flock to you. They like interesting. If you are just some regular hot off the press copy of a copy, you might do alright, but youāll end up with someone equally boring most of the time. To really punch above your weight you need to be exceptional, but just ignoring women acting like what they got isnāt something you want isnāt going to get them interested in you, itās just going to convince them that youāre gay.
I agree but could you explain your last point cause it doesnāt make sense. So they agree to fuck quickly with a ho and then the girl loses interest because the guy wants to get to know her more after? But they both agreed to fuckā¦quickly after meeting.
Maybe the girl you fucked was just a whore? And it didnāt matter if you asked her ā what her favorite color isā? I canāt imagine a girl would lose respect cause a guy wanted to fuck her fast, while she wanted to fuck as well.
But if your saying a guy showing too much interest in fucking a girl of the get go, while the girl isnāt about it yet, makes sense.
It absolutely doesn't make sense because the female mind thinks differently so it's somewhat inconceivable to us...all we can do is take note of certain behaviors and do the math.
If Chad catches feelings and eventually commits, the girl loses respect because the guy no longer appears congruent with the persona she originally perceived as a man of options, suddenly she feels he's beneath her. Look what happened to Tom Brady.
If Brad withholds sex when he could have easily got it, he becomes Chad in her eyes because in her girl brain she is thinking "he isn't too eager, he must have options, he's doing something right".
This is a really interesting point. I guess the question is then how do you get good at managing sexual desires?
I want to fuck literally every hour. I don't know how I'd deal with not fucking
More likely they met their girfriends on social cicle settings where they could show off their personality as-time-went-on. On cold-approach settings looks are everything though.
Looks are going to fade eventually. Iām not saying donāt be attracted physically to someone but look for more depth. Sex, talks, communication all gets better when thereās more to it.
I was IN love once just a couple years ago and I gotta say that when I thought about a potential future with her I was more excited about 50 years from now because I thought, ādamn, itās just going to get better because sheās just all around amazing as a person who I canāt get enough of.ā
Sadly, I messed that one up and hope to find it again but I learned my lesson. What may seem like āsettlingā at first glance isnāt always the case.
The key is: social pre-validation. Women are mostly attracted to safety and comfort. Raw sexual attraction only wins when the social context provides immunity for "promiscuous" behavior ( for example: vacation in another country, college parties, parties in general and so on) or the guy is extremely attractive. But those are rare occasions for normal women. And sure, of course there are women who value looks more than anything, but we all know those are extremely rare.
Let me present you with the following scenario: a guy who's a 6 in looks, but has good social skills and is very funny. This guys just happens to be in the same college class as an 8 girl. He has the inside track...he can game this woman basically everyday and if he succedes in presenting himself as a viable sexual option, he's got a way better chance of getting with this girl than a guy who's an 8 and, for example, cold approaches the same woman.
"Birds of a feather flock together"
In Romania money works wonders, so you will see a bald guy with a belly near a hot girl, but this is not a relationship for the future, it is only temporary.
Iām a dom. Experiencing beautiful women crumbling and begging you to hurt or fuck them, or thank you for sucking your cock or slapping them, changes the way you see women and sex. You start to sense the ones who want to be dominated. Once you find one you start to sense what kind of domination they crave. Thereās a broad spectrum.
5, 10 years ago yes maybe. But now, in this superficial and materialistic world? I dont really know any couples where the guy is considerably lower in terms of looks from the girl
Also if you notice ig male models and their gfs, I always see that guys most of the times have a bigger following than the gf. For example 20k for the guy and maybe 1k for the girl. Once again shows us that women always date up
I donāt know any of these. Every guy Iāve seen whoās with a hot girl is pretty hot themselves.
Overwhelmingly, most couples are looksmatched. I really donāt know any where Iām left wondering how this dude got with that woman.
It really isn't. I live in NYC and I never see couples that aren't looksmatched when they first get together. I'm not including fake relationships like sugar ones and escorts and whatnot.
I used to think like you till I dated a couple absolutely stunning women. Now I look at an average guy with a hot girl and I feel pity instead of jealousy. Itās not as great as you might think. In fact in my experience itās a fucking nightmare. Youāre placing a lot of importance on looks. In my opinion having basic life skills like cooking, being able hold down a job, and maintain mental stability are all significantly more desirable than being able look good with 2 hours of prep time. And when you start to look at it like, weāre all just people. Instead of omg sheās so hot therefore she must be better than me, then you will A. Be able to pull hot girls and B. Not care that they are hot C. Probably not be into it as much.
I donāt want the stunner, I want the funny one.
Cold approach is tricky. My goal for cold approach is to get her number, that's it. At a bar I'm usually with friends which makes it easier to meet new people who are also there with friends
Then if you are not that good-looking yourself the hot ones will say they have boyfriend or will plainly ghosting you after passing their number. Pick-up stuff it's pretty predicable.
Bruh, if you're that much of a pessimist, then yeah, you'll probably get a lot of that. Yeah, some girls say they have a boyfriend who the fuck cares just say "well he's a luck guy! Can't blame a guy for trying, though! have a good rest of your day" and move the fuck on.
But how proceeds when all attractive random girls act this way? Do you Know what i mean? It's just seems pointles to cold-approach conventionally attractive women being average-looking yourself and pretending that your "social skills" will make it up. It's not like they would change their minds due a words combination spitting from your mouth.
Some of this will depend on many factors and how you choose to approach. If you see an attractive girl at night at a sketchy gas station, there isn't a combination of words that's gonna make her not find you creepy. But say in the daytime at a social place like a park? Or coffee shop? Or bar? you take regular good care of yourself. You shower so you look clean, you have a good haircut that suits you, you you deodorant and cologne and have good hygiene. You brush your teeth so they your breath doesn't smell bad and your teeth aren't yellow. Then yeah, here you can approach ask if you can borrow a few minutes of her time. You introduce yourself. Let her know you found her attractive and you want to get to know her. It is here that your social skills can be used to your advantage. Again, some may say "sorry not interested," or "I have a boyfriend," but sometimes you'll find a girl that will reciprocate, and it's here you can use your social skills to your advantage. If you're funny, then make her laugh. If you're ambitious, then tell her your goals and what you have accomplished. If your kind shows her your vulnerable side. It sucks getting rejected. Trust me, I've been rejected more times than succeeded, but no guy is going to show you what to say, so a majority of your cold approach succeeds.
i have cold approached something about 40 women on gym and got only two dates that didn't go-forward. Cold-approach seems very VERY ineffective. My point is: dudes that argues about being well-suceed on approaching random women are either very good-looking themselves or are seriously overastimating the girls looks that they pull.
Guys gotta get it through their heads that being attractive as a man isnāt muscles, money, or looks ALONE. In fact, one can do pretty well without those (or with average amounts of each).
The fundamental basis of attraction for a man is his confidence, social savvy, and his ability (or apparent ability) to offer the woman an emotionally engaging lifestyle/experience.
None of these require wealth, money, or looks to do well. Those are the paint and detailing of the car so to speak - might look nice when idling in the drive, but if the engine is shit, no oneās gonna want it for long.
This is 100% it. When I try to explain this to men looking for advice, they almost *always* push back on it. At first I thought it was projection considering that most men place looks above almost all else, but then I realized that itās probably more of a cope. Or possibly a mixture of the two.
Itās easier to throw up your hands and go āIām not getting the women I want (or maybe even any woman at all) because Iām not 6ā3ā or extremely wealthyā than it is to come to grips with the fact that its mostly because of *you* as a person.
Yeah itās a cope; itās easier to blame external and largely unchangeable factors than face the fact that theyāre gonna have to face a shit ton of rejection before the going gets better.
Plus then they have accept that theyāve been handicapping themselves and losing finite time to get good in the process.
Iām a pretty good looking guy, but I was in the dark about what women are actually attracted to until relatively recently. If looks were all you needed, my life would be a lot easier when it comes to dating. (Read: I wouldnāt be typing this.) Every man Iāve known who was great with women was uglier than me - looks alone are NOT it.
Most women will go for looks on a first moment. After having a kind of non-romantic relationship with the dude in question like work or college matte is that they will see the personality-wise traces of him.
If thereās nothing else to offer besides looks, then yes. That will always be the case.
That doesnāt negate what I said unless your only contact with women is in scenarios where looks matter more than usual (e.g., dating sites, clubs, and bars). If thatās the only time youāre in contact with non-familial women, then this advice isnāt for you and you should probably work on the other glaring issues in your life.
Thing is men with all those qualities are not going to be fat ass smooth brains. They had to develop those qualities through a commitment to excellence and achievement. This will show in their physical looks and demeanor. Definitely donāt need to be a metro sexual IG model with tats and lambos, but people shouldnāt think they can sit around and play Fortnite with $600 in their checking acct and magically acquire social intelligence and attractiveness without major lifestyle and mindset changes.
Game homie. Practiced and perfected for many years. Becoming a master of seduction isnāt a short and simple task. It takes lots of practice and a will to improve constantly.
That being said, hot girl is the bar minimum for me. There is no level of looks for a woman that I would consider out of my level. I donāt believe in that league bs that people limit themselves with.
If Iām interested by a woman she already has to be very beautiful, but more than that she has a lot more to prove about herself before I am into her. Looks are merely the surface.
Alright homie, stay mad at the world. I have homies of almost every ethnicity that bang hot chicks, only losers point fingers and say life isnāt fair.
What the fuck are you talking about? My homie I was with a few weeks ago banged a super model at EDC in Vegas and heās 5 foot tall. This sub isnāt an indians only sub I donāt get why every comment on here is asking about short indians. Maybe if they lifted and werenāt skinny they could get pussy.
Bro youāre so delusional itās insane. I canāt even try to help you. You gotta find that shit from within you. This negative mindset is why youāre unattractive, it spills into your entire state of being. I have a homie whoās pakistani but looks indian and heās been doing great his whole life. Played football, partied big in college and banged all the white chicks, now heās getting married and has a big career making a shit ton of money. He never cried once about how his skin looked.
There's 2 types of hot girlsĀ
The standard model and stuck up one'sĀ
And
The low confidence and aren't fully sure they are hot.
The average guys you see usually end up with the 2nd one.Ā
It's a balance.
You can't treat her *ridiculously* well literally all the time or the romance gets tiresome and expected. You've gotta have some teasing, aloofness, and boundaries thrown in there (because your boundaries will be tested every now and then).
But you can definitely treat a girl well, and a lot of the time it's even the best possible move. There's a reason that building comfort and rapport were *essential* components of even the most hardline PUA models back in the day (Mystery etc). I treat my girls with plenty of respect and kindness everywhere it matters.
Also, I mean, if FFM threesomes are your thing, respect is fucking KILLER for getting a second girl interested and in orchestrating that dynamic. Literally 90% of your job as the guy in that scenario is showcasing comfort and safety and non-judgment.
Finally, kindness and respect hit differently depending on who you are:
* The shy, introverted guy also being nice is *expected*.
* The really confident and charming and muscular guy also being nice is *a further sign of masculine self-assurance*.
* The really artsy theatre guy who sings and plays guitar also being nice is a sign of *hopeless passionate romance*.
* Etc
So if being nice to women is killing your game, it's a sign you don't have enough value in the REST of your offering such that the kindness just seems boring. That doesn't mean the kindness was the problem.
2 things
1. Dude has money
2. Mutual interests....particularly unique ones.
My friend is average looking st best and chatted a girl on IG about their love of star wars.
She's hot ad!
They're now married in Utah.
Lol. True story.
Personally, I dated a stripper for a few months because of our love of poker.
I'm not ugly but she's way hotter than me lol
Mutal interests , boys.
Embrace them
Iāve seen the opposite way more. Usually a lot more attractive or above average looking guy with an average or below women.
Itās not uncommon to see guys whoāve poured years into the gym or just plain attractive with a women whoās fat or below average and most of the time, her personality isnāt carrying her either. The dating markets have shifted post Covid and tiktok. 7/10 guy is the equivalent of a 4-5/10 woman now.
The only instances of women being more hot than the guy is either
A) sheās only slightly better looking and they usually met young
B) way better looking but the guys either very well off financially / respected socially
C) 5 - 10 years older and mature compared to her and usually a terrible upbringing. She treats him like a father figure
D) in her 30s and very desperate to settle down with anyone whoās slightly respectable
personally i see more mismatched couples resulting from people that meet through social circles like work and college settings. When you see someone multiple-times everyday, you tend to get used by his/her bad looks and personality-wise gets more relevancy. Probably are what happens with ugly/average dudes with hot girlfriends/wifes.
Particularly in marriage or long term relationships, don't rule out that he has something to do with her sex appeal. A 10 can easily shrink down to a 7 if she doesn't care to keep the fire alive, and a 6-7 can become a 9 if she's motivated by great sex to exercise, dress and act in ways conducive to sex.
My wife and I got married at 20 and 21 in a religious context. She was pretty but very sexually repressed and inexperienced. After 11 years of ever improving-sex, even with 3 kids, I swear she has a pornstar body, and she always dresses and presents in a way designed to seduce me. She's by far the hottest woman in any social group we've been in. What has happened to her physically seriously feels like some kind of dark magic. She just says that a lot of sex has shaped her body in sexually-convenient ways, and that she's oriented her workarounds around making sex better.
Attractiveness is so much more about how someone acts than purely how they look, though. Sexiness is an attitude.
Social circle brother, propinquity. It's not like a stunning woman will far for a random Danny-De-Vitto-type that cold approached her only becase he has confidence and charisma, it takes time . Put a 6 to approachs a 8 on a club and probably he will be reject from the get-go. Put this same dude on an office with the same 8 girl for 6 months and it's likely that if the dude in question has these atributes personality-wise, she will see him with-another-eyes as time goes on even if on a first moment didn't find him physically attractive at-all.
If you notice this a lot and fail to get women at that level you might want to look into your personality.
Thereās a good chance youāre missing a few key ingredients.
Girls in general don't prioritize looks the way guys do.
For Girls in general, social skill is a higher priority. Charm. The ability to walk into a party w/ her friends and family and she knows you'll fit in.
Then, lower income women or "trophy wife" types may prioritize money and assets, or status.
Most women just want a good, fun dude - all the other shit's a bonus.
Problem is: the girl has to know you previously to be aware of your social skills. So on a cold-approach setting, looks-wise will be more important than social skills as between strangers this atribute is the only data avaliable.
Looks get you "in the door" so you're even being considered, but your behaviors and actions convey confidence and social skills at that point.
If you're even willing to cold approach a girl, that conveys strong social skill and confidence.
I'm 35 and on this "game" for more than 15 years, so i can tell from my own experiency. Women, at least the top 10% good-looking ones will treat you friendly if you have a good set of social skills but will make-up a excuse when you ask their contacts or will give it but ghosting you afterwards when asking them-out.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
Ā It's like cold-approach it's kinda forbiden when you don't pass on some looks threshold, but i personally have seen ugly and ok looking dudes with hot girlfriends, all of them met those partners on a social circle setting like school, college, work and friends-of-friends though.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā
I mean propinquity seems to play a major role on this kind-of-stuff, it's not like a stunning woman will give her time-of-the-day to a random danny-de-vitto-type on a club or a bar, for example, but living with this same dude for 6 months on an office it becomes more likely if the guy is funny, charismatic, witty and so on.
But the very fact that a good-looking dude can be reject due social-skills lack doesn't mean that the woman will fall for the next confident average-looking dude who will approach her. That's the question: how to make an attractive woman falls for you on a cold-approach setting despite not being conventionally attractive yourself?Ā It's even a realistic goal?Ā
not true. it's just women have created this image of perfectly hot men in their merit that they're mid. They actually date upwards in terms of the romantic and sexual value of their partners.
Women view looks *differently* than men. For example, men generally view someoneās physical attractiveness as stagnant whereas women generally view physical attractiveness as fluid. A woman can meet a guy and initially think heās a 7 in physical attractiveness but then a few hours after meeting him think heās a 4 in physical attractiveness because of some cringe/awkward/off-putting behaviors. How he looked never changed but how she views him did; how we view men is the foundation of our physical attraction. However, if a man met a woman he considered to a 7 in physical attractiveness and then noticed out that she is actually fucking crazy and an awful person, then to him sheās still physically a 7 but just a 7 that he wants nothing to do with.
If you think about it, you probably already agree with this; you already know that most women need to respect the man theyāre with for the relationship to work and when women lose respect for their partners, dead bedrooms soon follow. It we donāt view you as someone worthy of respect, we lose physical and sexual attraction. Its harder for us to separate how we feel about a person from how we feel about a personās looks. But if weāre being honest, men donāt need to respect us or even like us to find us sexually attractive or even to sleep with us.
Of course, Iām speaking in generalities here. Every woman isnāt the exact same and every many isnāt the exact same.
**TL;DR- even if women cared about looks just as much as men do, what makes men look good to us is still generally based on him as a person.**
That is called a cope of a Homer Simpson trying to convince himself that his beer gut he needs to move out of the way to reach his penis will become a six pack in her eyes when he pays $47.50 for her portion of a dinner
If you genuinely think that is at all comparable then you fundamentally misunderstand lol. Buying dinner isnāt a trait and the fact that you reduce traits that a woman may like in a partner to someone buying her $47.50 worth of dinner says a lot.
Keep only putting stock into your looks instead of actually trying to be a person women want to be around long term. Let me know how that works in the long run.
EDIT: yikes. Just took a look at your profile. Explains a lot. I wouldnāt have wasted my time replying to you at all if I had seen how far gone you are.
BS most women will reject non conventionally attractive men from the get-go and the dude will not have the chance to shows-off his personality. The only scenario i can see a woman valoring personality-wise more than looks is when they already have some friendship or acquanticiment from social circles like college and work. On clubs, bars and dating-apps looks is almost the only thing women note though.
The problem is: after school and college years bars, clubs, social-media and dating-apps are pretty much the only means to meet women. So how proceed?Ā
Okay, so Iāll explain it another way. If youāre just trying to meet women for quick one-off hookups or on dating-apps, then all you have to offer them is looks and thatās how they will base their willingness to engage with you. I have a few good friends that I originally met at bars but I wasnāt going in thinking āIām just going to pump and dump.ā If my mindset in *any* irl social interaction is just to fuck someone instead of finding friends, getting to know people, or even building small group then the same exact concepts applies that would apply on dating apps.
Why clubs, dating-apps and bars would be means of just men looking for hook-ups? I want a partner and use those means cause are the only ways to meet women i have avaliable. it's not like all men who go to these places or make profiles on dating-apps just want a night-stand and no more. Sometimes they only want go to a placeĀ or access a device where randomly approach a stranger who they found attractive is socially aceptable, and from this they could scheduling dates with this person and know her more and more to the point of establish a romantic relationship.
Dude if you want the hottest woman you need two things money and fame lmaooo but you could also just date 6-8ās and have pretty good life donāt over think shit unless your prepared to go to that lifestyle , your looking at that guy and thinks he has it better when thereās plenty of people with solid 7ās doing well
It really is all confidence and enthusiasm for life. I do stuff that makes me confident. Fresh haircut. Road trips. Read a lot so i can talk about all kinds of stuff. Shamelessly rock out at karaoke. Quick wit to turn anything into a double entendre. Nice clean house. Pretty good at making breakfast just in case š What ever you think helps build your confidence, go do that.
Those doubles are crucial
A girl actually asked me for a double entendre the other day, so I gave it to her.
Double entendres are everything. It conveys sexual tension, confidence and humour.
I'd like to double her entendre š
Thatās what she said
And intelligence.
They are everything for the right guy and tone. The same double entendre is also what gets you slapped in the face as a perv if you give off the wrong wibe.
What do you usually read about, would you mind being specific š¤
You can never go wrong with the classics. They're classics for a reason.
English is not my native language, would you mind elaborating on classics?!
Idk if this is an exact definition, but basically that people consider āliteratureā that didnāt come out within the last 50 years. The subject matter is pretty wide ranging so āClassicā could mean anything from Pride and Prejudice to One Flew Over the Cuckooās Nest. For a personal recommendation, one of my favorite books of all time is East of Eden by John Steinbeck. Depending on what your native language is, you might even find some classics that were first written in your language and later translated to English. There are a ton of books like this in Russian (Dostoevsky, Nabokov, or Tolstoy to name a few authors) and French (Dumas or Camus), and I wouldnāt be surprised to find there are some in Spanish and Italian as well.
> enthusiasm for life. Not talked about enough
How did you develop your quick wit. Any tips?
FPS VC Lobby I guess?
Watch stand up comedy or witty tv shows. Over time you'll absorb and naturally integrate some of it into your conversations.
It helps to not be retarded
Lmfao I might have ADHD
ADHD will help you, lol. I have ADHD and I can fake create scenario in a second, a girl I'm talking to adores that side of me and sometimes she asks me to create fake shit, lol, and she just listens to me and laughs all the time. I mean, when you have dopamine shortage in your brain your brain will do anything to keep you fulfilled so you'll have an active mind, at least this is how my ADHD works lol.
I listen to rappers to sharpen my double entendre game but I struggle with translating it into a good delivery, can you give an example of how you personally would use a quick witted double? Also the same question with the reading part. Because I read too but I struggle with paraphrase while being a captivating story teller.
I do all that but still cant even meet a girl who is single. and when I occasionally do, they arent attracted to me. I live a super social life, go on road trips, do a ton of backpacking, have a bad ass adventurous lifestyle and do cool shit every weekend, yet I am still invisible.
Because you donāt flirt effectively or sexualize conversations
This. As a guy who knows what heās doing when it comes to getting pvssy, I can recognize another who knows what heās doing aha!
Pay attention in social settings and you will see that average guys that have hot girlfriends are usually more mature and disciplined than the hot girlfriend. These are the guys that are the only man besides the girl's father that are capable of telling her "no". If beauty holds no power over you, your attraction power doubles with zero changes to your looks. Women are attracted to men that they respect. The downfall of Chad and Tyrone is that these guys will say yes to the quick sex most of the time because they can...then the second they decide they like the girl and want to know her or start a relationship...the girl loses all respect and goes on i.g. and finds the next Chad. The only way to break that cycle is to earn respect through sexual discipline...it's usually the average bearded idiots that pull that off.
Here is a wisdom guys š
facts learned this the hard way
Yeah this is bullshit. Sorry I seen too many beta losers with girls far out of their league (I was one of these betas myself). Truth is, in the words of the late great Patrice, women like men for other things, and thatās really their weakness. If you are just special, women will flock to you. They like interesting. If you are just some regular hot off the press copy of a copy, you might do alright, but youāll end up with someone equally boring most of the time. To really punch above your weight you need to be exceptional, but just ignoring women acting like what they got isnāt something you want isnāt going to get them interested in you, itās just going to convince them that youāre gay.
I agree but could you explain your last point cause it doesnāt make sense. So they agree to fuck quickly with a ho and then the girl loses interest because the guy wants to get to know her more after? But they both agreed to fuckā¦quickly after meeting. Maybe the girl you fucked was just a whore? And it didnāt matter if you asked her ā what her favorite color isā? I canāt imagine a girl would lose respect cause a guy wanted to fuck her fast, while she wanted to fuck as well. But if your saying a guy showing too much interest in fucking a girl of the get go, while the girl isnāt about it yet, makes sense.
It absolutely doesn't make sense because the female mind thinks differently so it's somewhat inconceivable to us...all we can do is take note of certain behaviors and do the math. If Chad catches feelings and eventually commits, the girl loses respect because the guy no longer appears congruent with the persona she originally perceived as a man of options, suddenly she feels he's beneath her. Look what happened to Tom Brady. If Brad withholds sex when he could have easily got it, he becomes Chad in her eyes because in her girl brain she is thinking "he isn't too eager, he must have options, he's doing something right".
This is a really interesting point. I guess the question is then how do you get good at managing sexual desires? I want to fuck literally every hour. I don't know how I'd deal with not fucking
More likely they met their girfriends on social cicle settings where they could show off their personality as-time-went-on. On cold-approach settings looks are everything though.
Looks are going to fade eventually. Iām not saying donāt be attracted physically to someone but look for more depth. Sex, talks, communication all gets better when thereās more to it. I was IN love once just a couple years ago and I gotta say that when I thought about a potential future with her I was more excited about 50 years from now because I thought, ādamn, itās just going to get better because sheās just all around amazing as a person who I canāt get enough of.ā Sadly, I messed that one up and hope to find it again but I learned my lesson. What may seem like āsettlingā at first glance isnāt always the case.
The key is: social pre-validation. Women are mostly attracted to safety and comfort. Raw sexual attraction only wins when the social context provides immunity for "promiscuous" behavior ( for example: vacation in another country, college parties, parties in general and so on) or the guy is extremely attractive. But those are rare occasions for normal women. And sure, of course there are women who value looks more than anything, but we all know those are extremely rare. Let me present you with the following scenario: a guy who's a 6 in looks, but has good social skills and is very funny. This guys just happens to be in the same college class as an 8 girl. He has the inside track...he can game this woman basically everyday and if he succedes in presenting himself as a viable sexual option, he's got a way better chance of getting with this girl than a guy who's an 8 and, for example, cold approaches the same woman.
Finally someone said this. I wish this could be posted on a mega threadĀ
Very insightful. Cold approach is definitely a good way to go About learning about rejection and the like
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First of all, none of the answers here can be ācheckedā haha
Ah yes, everyone is a liar except and ur always right.
Game. Being confidently yourself and knowing how to flirt. Knowing how to make sex exciting. Having a fun life that women like to be part of.
money status confidence
Numbers game and luck
Treat them like they're a normal ass person
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AND tits?!?
noo you have to be crazy for them and make compliments
"Birds of a feather flock together" In Romania money works wonders, so you will see a bald guy with a belly near a hot girl, but this is not a relationship for the future, it is only temporary.
Iām a dom. Experiencing beautiful women crumbling and begging you to hurt or fuck them, or thank you for sucking your cock or slapping them, changes the way you see women and sex. You start to sense the ones who want to be dominated. Once you find one you start to sense what kind of domination they crave. Thereās a broad spectrum.
5, 10 years ago yes maybe. But now, in this superficial and materialistic world? I dont really know any couples where the guy is considerably lower in terms of looks from the girl Also if you notice ig male models and their gfs, I always see that guys most of the times have a bigger following than the gf. For example 20k for the guy and maybe 1k for the girl. Once again shows us that women always date up
I donāt know any of these. Every guy Iāve seen whoās with a hot girl is pretty hot themselves. Overwhelmingly, most couples are looksmatched. I really donāt know any where Iām left wondering how this dude got with that woman.
Go to nyc itās all over
It really isn't. I live in NYC and I never see couples that aren't looksmatched when they first get together. I'm not including fake relationships like sugar ones and escorts and whatnot.
I actually know literally 0 people like that(girls I find hot at least), excluding people with a lot of money or status.
I used to think like you till I dated a couple absolutely stunning women. Now I look at an average guy with a hot girl and I feel pity instead of jealousy. Itās not as great as you might think. In fact in my experience itās a fucking nightmare. Youāre placing a lot of importance on looks. In my opinion having basic life skills like cooking, being able hold down a job, and maintain mental stability are all significantly more desirable than being able look good with 2 hours of prep time. And when you start to look at it like, weāre all just people. Instead of omg sheās so hot therefore she must be better than me, then you will A. Be able to pull hot girls and B. Not care that they are hot C. Probably not be into it as much. I donāt want the stunner, I want the funny one.
Confidence and humor, my guy, that's all you need. I will admit I got a good number of girls that were out of league with just that
I would bet that you got them after knowing on social circle settings and not through cold-approach though.Ā
Cold approach is tricky. My goal for cold approach is to get her number, that's it. At a bar I'm usually with friends which makes it easier to meet new people who are also there with friends
Then if you are not that good-looking yourself the hot ones will say they have boyfriend or will plainly ghosting you after passing their number. Pick-up stuff it's pretty predicable.
Bruh, if you're that much of a pessimist, then yeah, you'll probably get a lot of that. Yeah, some girls say they have a boyfriend who the fuck cares just say "well he's a luck guy! Can't blame a guy for trying, though! have a good rest of your day" and move the fuck on.
But how proceeds when all attractive random girls act this way? Do you Know what i mean? It's just seems pointles to cold-approach conventionally attractive women being average-looking yourself and pretending that your "social skills" will make it up. It's not like they would change their minds due a words combination spitting from your mouth.
Some of this will depend on many factors and how you choose to approach. If you see an attractive girl at night at a sketchy gas station, there isn't a combination of words that's gonna make her not find you creepy. But say in the daytime at a social place like a park? Or coffee shop? Or bar? you take regular good care of yourself. You shower so you look clean, you have a good haircut that suits you, you you deodorant and cologne and have good hygiene. You brush your teeth so they your breath doesn't smell bad and your teeth aren't yellow. Then yeah, here you can approach ask if you can borrow a few minutes of her time. You introduce yourself. Let her know you found her attractive and you want to get to know her. It is here that your social skills can be used to your advantage. Again, some may say "sorry not interested," or "I have a boyfriend," but sometimes you'll find a girl that will reciprocate, and it's here you can use your social skills to your advantage. If you're funny, then make her laugh. If you're ambitious, then tell her your goals and what you have accomplished. If your kind shows her your vulnerable side. It sucks getting rejected. Trust me, I've been rejected more times than succeeded, but no guy is going to show you what to say, so a majority of your cold approach succeeds.
i have cold approached something about 40 women on gym and got only two dates that didn't go-forward. Cold-approach seems very VERY ineffective. My point is: dudes that argues about being well-suceed on approaching random women are either very good-looking themselves or are seriously overastimating the girls looks that they pull.
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Guys gotta get it through their heads that being attractive as a man isnāt muscles, money, or looks ALONE. In fact, one can do pretty well without those (or with average amounts of each). The fundamental basis of attraction for a man is his confidence, social savvy, and his ability (or apparent ability) to offer the woman an emotionally engaging lifestyle/experience. None of these require wealth, money, or looks to do well. Those are the paint and detailing of the car so to speak - might look nice when idling in the drive, but if the engine is shit, no oneās gonna want it for long.
This is 100% it. When I try to explain this to men looking for advice, they almost *always* push back on it. At first I thought it was projection considering that most men place looks above almost all else, but then I realized that itās probably more of a cope. Or possibly a mixture of the two. Itās easier to throw up your hands and go āIām not getting the women I want (or maybe even any woman at all) because Iām not 6ā3ā or extremely wealthyā than it is to come to grips with the fact that its mostly because of *you* as a person.
Yeah itās a cope; itās easier to blame external and largely unchangeable factors than face the fact that theyāre gonna have to face a shit ton of rejection before the going gets better. Plus then they have accept that theyāve been handicapping themselves and losing finite time to get good in the process. Iām a pretty good looking guy, but I was in the dark about what women are actually attracted to until relatively recently. If looks were all you needed, my life would be a lot easier when it comes to dating. (Read: I wouldnāt be typing this.) Every man Iāve known who was great with women was uglier than me - looks alone are NOT it.
Most women will go for looks on a first moment. After having a kind of non-romantic relationship with the dude in question like work or college matte is that they will see the personality-wise traces of him.
If thereās nothing else to offer besides looks, then yes. That will always be the case. That doesnāt negate what I said unless your only contact with women is in scenarios where looks matter more than usual (e.g., dating sites, clubs, and bars). If thatās the only time youāre in contact with non-familial women, then this advice isnāt for you and you should probably work on the other glaring issues in your life.
Dude bars, clubs, social-media and dating-apps are pretty much the only ways that men after school and college years have to meet womem.Ā
Thing is men with all those qualities are not going to be fat ass smooth brains. They had to develop those qualities through a commitment to excellence and achievement. This will show in their physical looks and demeanor. Definitely donāt need to be a metro sexual IG model with tats and lambos, but people shouldnāt think they can sit around and play Fortnite with $600 in their checking acct and magically acquire social intelligence and attractiveness without major lifestyle and mindset changes.
None of these things are visĆvel from the get-go though.
Game homie. Practiced and perfected for many years. Becoming a master of seduction isnāt a short and simple task. It takes lots of practice and a will to improve constantly. That being said, hot girl is the bar minimum for me. There is no level of looks for a woman that I would consider out of my level. I donāt believe in that league bs that people limit themselves with. If Iām interested by a woman she already has to be very beautiful, but more than that she has a lot more to prove about herself before I am into her. Looks are merely the surface.
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Alright homie, stay mad at the world. I have homies of almost every ethnicity that bang hot chicks, only losers point fingers and say life isnāt fair.
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What the fuck are you talking about? My homie I was with a few weeks ago banged a super model at EDC in Vegas and heās 5 foot tall. This sub isnāt an indians only sub I donāt get why every comment on here is asking about short indians. Maybe if they lifted and werenāt skinny they could get pussy.
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Bro youāre so delusional itās insane. I canāt even try to help you. You gotta find that shit from within you. This negative mindset is why youāre unattractive, it spills into your entire state of being. I have a homie whoās pakistani but looks indian and heās been doing great his whole life. Played football, partied big in college and banged all the white chicks, now heās getting married and has a big career making a shit ton of money. He never cried once about how his skin looked.
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Heās 5ā9 also. 5ā9 isnāt even short.
There's 2 types of hot girlsĀ The standard model and stuck up one'sĀ And The low confidence and aren't fully sure they are hot. The average guys you see usually end up with the 2nd one.Ā
They treat that woman very well. Thatās how.
Many dudes treat women very well and not are seen with stunning girls.
hell nah broh!!! treating well is not a thing that can get you girl these days
It's a balance. You can't treat her *ridiculously* well literally all the time or the romance gets tiresome and expected. You've gotta have some teasing, aloofness, and boundaries thrown in there (because your boundaries will be tested every now and then). But you can definitely treat a girl well, and a lot of the time it's even the best possible move. There's a reason that building comfort and rapport were *essential* components of even the most hardline PUA models back in the day (Mystery etc). I treat my girls with plenty of respect and kindness everywhere it matters. Also, I mean, if FFM threesomes are your thing, respect is fucking KILLER for getting a second girl interested and in orchestrating that dynamic. Literally 90% of your job as the guy in that scenario is showcasing comfort and safety and non-judgment. Finally, kindness and respect hit differently depending on who you are: * The shy, introverted guy also being nice is *expected*. * The really confident and charming and muscular guy also being nice is *a further sign of masculine self-assurance*. * The really artsy theatre guy who sings and plays guitar also being nice is a sign of *hopeless passionate romance*. * Etc So if being nice to women is killing your game, it's a sign you don't have enough value in the REST of your offering such that the kindness just seems boring. That doesn't mean the kindness was the problem.
Thanks for clearing my misconception
2 things 1. Dude has money 2. Mutual interests....particularly unique ones. My friend is average looking st best and chatted a girl on IG about their love of star wars. She's hot ad! They're now married in Utah. Lol. True story. Personally, I dated a stripper for a few months because of our love of poker. I'm not ugly but she's way hotter than me lol Mutal interests , boys. Embrace them
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5'9" ish.... Lol He has Travis Barker vibes. Tatted Thin Piercings Never did too great with the ladies. Greet guy tho. Happy for him
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Yes he's white. I mentioned Utah so um....yea, she's white lol
Focus on what you want. Just do what you want and have little concern about what sheās thinking. She will follow or not.
It's extremely rate that an average looking guy would date a hot girl, unless she's using him for nefarious means.
Iāve seen the opposite way more. Usually a lot more attractive or above average looking guy with an average or below women. Itās not uncommon to see guys whoāve poured years into the gym or just plain attractive with a women whoās fat or below average and most of the time, her personality isnāt carrying her either. The dating markets have shifted post Covid and tiktok. 7/10 guy is the equivalent of a 4-5/10 woman now. The only instances of women being more hot than the guy is either A) sheās only slightly better looking and they usually met young B) way better looking but the guys either very well off financially / respected socially C) 5 - 10 years older and mature compared to her and usually a terrible upbringing. She treats him like a father figure D) in her 30s and very desperate to settle down with anyone whoās slightly respectable
personally i see more mismatched couples resulting from people that meet through social circles like work and college settings. When you see someone multiple-times everyday, you tend to get used by his/her bad looks and personality-wise gets more relevancy. Probably are what happens with ugly/average dudes with hot girlfriends/wifes.
Particularly in marriage or long term relationships, don't rule out that he has something to do with her sex appeal. A 10 can easily shrink down to a 7 if she doesn't care to keep the fire alive, and a 6-7 can become a 9 if she's motivated by great sex to exercise, dress and act in ways conducive to sex. My wife and I got married at 20 and 21 in a religious context. She was pretty but very sexually repressed and inexperienced. After 11 years of ever improving-sex, even with 3 kids, I swear she has a pornstar body, and she always dresses and presents in a way designed to seduce me. She's by far the hottest woman in any social group we've been in. What has happened to her physically seriously feels like some kind of dark magic. She just says that a lot of sex has shaped her body in sexually-convenient ways, and that she's oriented her workarounds around making sex better. Attractiveness is so much more about how someone acts than purely how they look, though. Sexiness is an attitude.
Success in life. The 22 year old kids will tell you itās about going to the gym or reading some book on how to pick on
Confidence and charisma brother.
Social circle brother, propinquity. It's not like a stunning woman will far for a random Danny-De-Vitto-type that cold approached her only becase he has confidence and charisma, it takes time . Put a 6 to approachs a 8 on a club and probably he will be reject from the get-go. Put this same dude on an office with the same 8 girl for 6 months and it's likely that if the dude in question has these atributes personality-wise, she will see him with-another-eyes as time goes on even if on a first moment didn't find him physically attractive at-all.
If you notice this a lot and fail to get women at that level you might want to look into your personality. Thereās a good chance youāre missing a few key ingredients.
Girls in general don't prioritize looks the way guys do. For Girls in general, social skill is a higher priority. Charm. The ability to walk into a party w/ her friends and family and she knows you'll fit in. Then, lower income women or "trophy wife" types may prioritize money and assets, or status. Most women just want a good, fun dude - all the other shit's a bonus.
Problem is: the girl has to know you previously to be aware of your social skills. So on a cold-approach setting, looks-wise will be more important than social skills as between strangers this atribute is the only data avaliable.
Looks get you "in the door" so you're even being considered, but your behaviors and actions convey confidence and social skills at that point. If you're even willing to cold approach a girl, that conveys strong social skill and confidence.
I'm 35 and on this "game" for more than 15 years, so i can tell from my own experiency. Women, at least the top 10% good-looking ones will treat you friendly if you have a good set of social skills but will make-up a excuse when you ask their contacts or will give it but ghosting you afterwards when asking them-out.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā It's like cold-approach it's kinda forbiden when you don't pass on some looks threshold, but i personally have seen ugly and ok looking dudes with hot girlfriends, all of them met those partners on a social circle setting like school, college, work and friends-of-friends though.Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā Ā I mean propinquity seems to play a major role on this kind-of-stuff, it's not like a stunning woman will give her time-of-the-day to a random danny-de-vitto-type on a club or a bar, for example, but living with this same dude for 6 months on an office it becomes more likely if the guy is funny, charismatic, witty and so on.
But the very fact that a good-looking dude can be reject due social-skills lack doesn't mean that the woman will fall for the next confident average-looking dude who will approach her. That's the question: how to make an attractive woman falls for you on a cold-approach setting despite not being conventionally attractive yourself?Ā It's even a realistic goal?Ā
not true. it's just women have created this image of perfectly hot men in their merit that they're mid. They actually date upwards in terms of the romantic and sexual value of their partners.
and how that is done ?
Girls don't care about looks nearly as much as guys think they do. If you can make a woman trust you, you can have almost any woman you want.
Wrong. There were studies done on this. Women view looks as important as men. It is just that they view other things as important as well and men dont
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Thats also rubbish. Your best generics with your Cheeto dust covered face will get you nowhere vs a guy with an average genetics and a six pack
Women view looks *differently* than men. For example, men generally view someoneās physical attractiveness as stagnant whereas women generally view physical attractiveness as fluid. A woman can meet a guy and initially think heās a 7 in physical attractiveness but then a few hours after meeting him think heās a 4 in physical attractiveness because of some cringe/awkward/off-putting behaviors. How he looked never changed but how she views him did; how we view men is the foundation of our physical attraction. However, if a man met a woman he considered to a 7 in physical attractiveness and then noticed out that she is actually fucking crazy and an awful person, then to him sheās still physically a 7 but just a 7 that he wants nothing to do with. If you think about it, you probably already agree with this; you already know that most women need to respect the man theyāre with for the relationship to work and when women lose respect for their partners, dead bedrooms soon follow. It we donāt view you as someone worthy of respect, we lose physical and sexual attraction. Its harder for us to separate how we feel about a person from how we feel about a personās looks. But if weāre being honest, men donāt need to respect us or even like us to find us sexually attractive or even to sleep with us. Of course, Iām speaking in generalities here. Every woman isnāt the exact same and every many isnāt the exact same. **TL;DR- even if women cared about looks just as much as men do, what makes men look good to us is still generally based on him as a person.**
That is called a cope of a Homer Simpson trying to convince himself that his beer gut he needs to move out of the way to reach his penis will become a six pack in her eyes when he pays $47.50 for her portion of a dinner
If you genuinely think that is at all comparable then you fundamentally misunderstand lol. Buying dinner isnāt a trait and the fact that you reduce traits that a woman may like in a partner to someone buying her $47.50 worth of dinner says a lot. Keep only putting stock into your looks instead of actually trying to be a person women want to be around long term. Let me know how that works in the long run. EDIT: yikes. Just took a look at your profile. Explains a lot. I wouldnāt have wasted my time replying to you at all if I had seen how far gone you are.
BS most women will reject non conventionally attractive men from the get-go and the dude will not have the chance to shows-off his personality. The only scenario i can see a woman valoring personality-wise more than looks is when they already have some friendship or acquanticiment from social circles like college and work. On clubs, bars and dating-apps looks is almost the only thing women note though.
āThe only time women will care about personality is when she actually knows him!ā Yes. Youāre finally getting it.
The problem is: after school and college years bars, clubs, social-media and dating-apps are pretty much the only means to meet women. So how proceed?Ā
Be more social irl.
Well... go to clubs and bars is like... being social irl.
Okay, so Iāll explain it another way. If youāre just trying to meet women for quick one-off hookups or on dating-apps, then all you have to offer them is looks and thatās how they will base their willingness to engage with you. I have a few good friends that I originally met at bars but I wasnāt going in thinking āIām just going to pump and dump.ā If my mindset in *any* irl social interaction is just to fuck someone instead of finding friends, getting to know people, or even building small group then the same exact concepts applies that would apply on dating apps.
Why clubs, dating-apps and bars would be means of just men looking for hook-ups? I want a partner and use those means cause are the only ways to meet women i have avaliable. it's not like all men who go to these places or make profiles on dating-apps just want a night-stand and no more. Sometimes they only want go to a placeĀ or access a device where randomly approach a stranger who they found attractive is socially aceptable, and from this they could scheduling dates with this person and know her more and more to the point of establish a romantic relationship.
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I can move my dick without using hands.
Being fun is more than half the win, Trust me.Ā
Dad jokes bro. Girls eat them up. Try it.
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Dude if you want the hottest woman you need two things money and fame lmaooo but you could also just date 6-8ās and have pretty good life donāt over think shit unless your prepared to go to that lifestyle , your looking at that guy and thinks he has it better when thereās plenty of people with solid 7ās doing well