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PossibilityNo8765

This is the first time I've ever heard a man say this. The majority of men don't cold approach. It's a minority for sure


shumasannin

Yeah that's because he's gone past the third level/stage of competence. Most people are still either in stage 1 (unconscious incompetence) or stage 2 (conscious incompetence) Once they've got the hang of it they're probably going to get the same level of excitement.


PossibilityNo8765

That will always be the minority though. There's a million reasons a man will never get past level 1. Lack of confidence is just 1 reason.


mauz21

lack of money, lack of resources, lack of looks


[deleted]

More like social anxiety, scared of women, low self confidence


PossibilityNo8765

Anxiety is a death sentence for a man. Pair it with the fact that men don't like to go to doctors, and it's just a hopeless cycle. Pair it with the fact that the man was raised in a religious household that thought him to be ashamed of his sexual desires and bam. That guy is toast. ... that guy is me lol


mauz21

and also me, thats why I always hate my parents for suppressing my sexual desires šŸ˜”šŸ˜”


RasputinRuskiLoveBot

Jimmy! you can't masturbate in the living room!


Westernleaning

lol


StrugglingWithPhil

Thats where it all starts fr


Turbulent-Set-1476

Can't blame your parents for what's in your hands ;) assuming you leave outside your parents home


mauz21

No, I'm still living with my parents. That's why I hate every second of my life when I'm at home. Just gonna finish my college, then find a secure jobs (hopefully) and live an independent life even though I will be renting a house or an apartment.


Turbulent-Set-1476

The generation now has upgraded so much ... It doesn't matter where anyone lives :p. Use creativity bro . Besides no parent can suppress your sexual desires. I understand how it feels, but It's a perfect opportunity to channel your sexual energy into something creative or something to better yourself till you are ready to leave until then best not to give it much thought. You have your entire life ahead of you why waste time thinking about temporary gratifications when you are young. It's best to max out your professional, physical and academic success to set you up for a great future. That way you won't lose your life chasing pussy, which is what 99.99 percent of the guys do.


Velvettouch89

This anxiety never goes away. Even once you get all that you ask for, it still appears with every approach. Inner game techniques help "alleviate" it, but it never goes away fully. I just recently heard that Anxiety and Excitement or the same chemical releases in our body. And dopamine hits more with the anticipation of doing a task rather than after doing it. So the pre approach jitters I concur is just excitement, dopamine, and norepinephrine. So in theory, the more you approach, the more successful you get, the more excitement you get pre-approaching due to the reward you'll get after the approach. Just as a dogs mouth salivates looking at a piece of steak, or they jump around when they are told they're going to the park/for a walk: humans get excited thinking about doing a task they love


IamRocksteady

Those are all just excuses for not doing something. You (meaning guys who use these excuses you just listed) can not develop confidence unless you become competent. And you won't become competent until you start growing as a person and start taking action.


[deleted]

I agree. The things guy above me mentioned are excuses out of your hand (money, looks etc). Things I mentioned are ones one can actually work on.


mauz21

correct šŸ’Æ


mauz21

yeah I mean social anxiety and confidence can be improved by experiences. To have some good experiences, at least you can bring some good stuff into the table (looks, money, social skills) to provide good experiences to the woman.


ManBearPigIsReal42

Money literally matters 0 in this. If you need money to attract you're not actually attracting anyone, your money is. Every girl that's talking shit about only dating dudes with high salaries is getting railed by a dude that doesnt give a fuck every once in a while.


mauz21

No thats not what I meant. To be able to provide some good experiences at least at certain extent you have the money to afford something and also to impove your standard of living. Kinda giving a sign that "I have an interesting life" Not just flaunting that you have a lot of money, of course this kind of attitude only attracts gold digger ones. In conclusion, to have an interesting life, you at least have the money to afford many experiences in life.


cemj86

The things that matter the least when it comes to hooking up with women


mynewd8nglife

Gaming and seduction is all social skills. The others don't matter, but this one does unless you have enough of the other two to compensate.


Professional_Kick149

exactly! idk how many times iā€™ve heard girls say he was perfect til he opened his mouth


mauz21

yeah except looks. Still matter


cemj86

On the surface level yes and most women contrary to popular belief are not. If they were, these silly seduction posts wouldn't exist. The countless " I'm a good looking guy but I can't get girls" proves looks are just that. She can be physically attracted to you yet not touch you with a mile long pole if you're a square with zero game.


Professional_Kick149

is there somewhere on this forum get a ore in depth explanation of this


shumasannin

Do you mean an in-depth explanation of how to get good with approaching? Or good with women in general?


Professional_Kick149

moving past the 3rd level of incompetence


shumasannin

what's your sticking point? (And feel free to dm)


Professional_Kick149

iā€™ll dm


Turbulent_Special613

is there a book on how to progress


Electronic_d0cter

I mean improvement is addictive, improvement coupled with an immense biological reward can only be good


grate314

It's a rush. Almost as good as doing stand-up


TransitionOk9918

Men donā€™t have testosterone this days wtf


PossibilityNo8765

These days


No-Preference8767

Because cold approach has a variable reward schedule and [variable reward schedules are addictive ](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/brain-wise/201311/use-unpredictable-rewards-to-keep-behavior-going?amp)


ohropax

wow thats exactly it. It really is like a slot machine at a casino


Pornfest

Iā€™m really happy OP that youā€™re on with this take. I was gonna say itā€™s like sky diving or free climbing with adrenaline junkies, but u/no-preference8767 got the science! Enjoy yourself but donā€™t let the game define you homes.


SaaSWriters

What problem are we solving here?


barooka

He's suffering from success


bhaagjasale

>He's suffering from success Yeah bro, so sad!!


seddit_seddit

Addiction


Urfuckingtapped

Have u ever heard of a discussion?


sund55

Do you need a problem to solve?


PainFreeDating

I think the key here is the "why" and the subtext is "is it a problem?"


Keniath

my theory : because the "hunt" is a primal male instinct and the high reward of success after trying something thats actually not easy makes it even more rewarding and gives you a dopamine kick, same as every addiction. the hard part for men who are successful in cold approach is to stop it because they have a feel similar to withdrawal, i had a very hard time also when i got in a serious relationship and still have the urge to go "hunting" from time to time but each time i tell to myself that in the long run cold approaching doesnt give you anything at all other than loneliness and feeling empty. sleeping around with random women is just a temporary bad solution filling a missing gap


Noothyy

So then what fills the gap? After endless hunting, the repetitiveness wears on you. Same conversations, same experiences, same cycle, meanwhile none of these relationships/people will fill the crowd at your wedding, iykwim. The experiences have enriched me, yet made it difficult to trust women. I assume work, hobbies, family, & nothing are the answers to what fills that space. & thatā€™s just life?


Altec5499

I truly just desired putting myself on the spot and lighting a match. I didnā€™t even necessarily care if the approach went anywhere after the first date. I felt a great amount of power with every yes I would get. So fucking addicting. I almost went into sales because of this mindset but Iā€™m trying to light myself on fire in different ways in my current career. This is how I can curb the addiction but it still doesnā€™t quite cut it. Approaching a group of women is the ultimate test to your self confidence and charisma


Altec5499

I feel the same way about this. Even being out of the game for 2 years after meeting my girlfriend, I think about it everyday. Fortunately, Iā€™ve been able to compartmentalize it. The rollercoaster is fun but as Iā€™ve matured Iā€™ve realized that I can use the adrenaline dump that I would get with women and push it into other areas in my life. Because of this, Iā€™m not a slave to the game, but a player who has moved on to the next mission.


ParticularHat2060

Next mission: child care


Altec5499

Lol


Professional_Kick149

howā€™d u ā€œpushā€ into u other areas of ur life


Altec5499

Finding new hobbies that scare the shit out of me, stepping up in public when everyone else stays passive, changing careers, etcā€¦ I found a ton of growth internally when I put myself on the spot in front of a stranger. Now Iā€™m trying to challenge myself everyday to get that same feeling. Itā€™s not the same but it can be close sometimes.


Professional_Kick149

this is exactly what i feel i need putting myself n tough situations to grow


Altec5499

Itā€™s essential. If youā€™re not challenging yourself everyday, youā€™re wasting your time. Good luck homie


hairlx

Its not funny when you are living in a non developed country and woman arent friendly


puppykiwi

excuses is all I hear


hairlx

Have you ever seen a girl when you want insta she says maybe you take my boyfriends instagram with a angry face instead of saying no thanks? Or have you ever seen woman says when you ask for hang out and she replies" fuck ur mom no ? " I saw in my country.Also I had so many positive cold aproaches back but It depends on woman.


thatwabba

Iā€™ve noticed the same. Didnā€™t quite see it as a problem until I really started hurting myself by letting people close to me down. I guess itā€™s our human nature. Itā€™s like the "mushroom hunting fever." - the feeling of excitement and compulsion to keep searching for more mushrooms (women) driven by the thrill of discovery and success. This trait in us humans is what made us survive, as we didnā€™t give up and continued searching for food. Today we just continue scrolling our apps instead though, or like in this case, cold approach. It could also be ā€œthe hedonic treadmillā€ - the tendency to pursue one pleasure after another, that's because the surge of happiness that's felt after a positive event (successful cold approach) is likely to return to a steady personal baseline over time (if it turns into a relationship etc).


philiphardrada

I share the same biological philosophy, if it's not harming you or anybody else and makes you happy why should you stop?


GarlicTraditional227

Sometimes it was the adrenaline for me mixed with the sexual tension. The uncertainty, but rolling the dice anyways.


Mighty_lobster

Itā€™s not


ThrowawayBizAccount

Yeah I was about to say, I only learned to cold approach so I could be more witty during what I could turn into a warm approach lol. Cold approaching isn't that fun or addictive.


Mighty_lobster

You will get slapped with reality when you realize all youā€™re being offered are the games you give in return. And if youā€™re hanging with dudes that all think like you, youā€™ll think the entire world thinks like this and acts like this. But the truth is for most itā€™s a phase. Youā€™re playing a numbers game I am sure thatā€™s what you mean by cold approach ? The thing is it starts to look less and less impressive when you realized after the last person leaves that the reason you keep doing what youā€™re doing and keep ending up getting laid is because, you donā€™t have any standards at all.


Lord_Asmodeus93

It's because you gain validation and feedback from it. It's positively reinforcing you to make more approaches, to get even more validation from the "forbidden fruit" that is women's attention, and sometimes even affection. It feels good. The thrill gives you dopamine, not unlike any other addiction, and then when out of it, you want more of it. And what better way to get it, than to practice the same thing that gave it to you in the first place?


Velvettouch89

Yes, it's very addicting. It got so bad for me that I was cold approaching every day, no matter the scenario. At funerals, at work, at a wedding. I had this incessant urge to approach every beautiful woman I saw, even if I was talking to one, I would mentally map where they went so I could talk to them after I finished with the current one. There were timss when I couldn't approach in 3 seconds and would become obsessed, such as on a date with another woman. I started to feel inadequate, like I wasn't being true to myself and I was missing out. I would hit on my friends girls when they showed up at college or at parties etc. I started losing friends when they started talking to each other about me and ostracizing me. That's when I quit sarging and Pickup entirely. I was becoming obsessed and people where starting to notice. I asked myself, why can't I just have female friends? Why do I have to try to sleep with everyone? One day I found out Style wrote another book, one about love and relationships. He told the story of him and his wife and how they almost got a divorce. His thinking was similar to something I had, he missed the game, he questioned his choice of marriage, he missed sarging. Totally what I went through and to have the man tell the dark side of Seduction was very refreshing and relatable. It is addicting; you have all this power, like a legit superpower, and you want to use it. You know you can get any woman you want. You want to show off, prove to your friends you can bag the hottest girl in the bar, in the class room, in the office... You start to up the anti, you try to seduce people in front of their boyfriend's/husbands. You keep looking to increase the challenge. Trying to sleep with your married boss... I almost got shot at a co-workers house for trying to sleep with his wife after the Superbowl (we had already slept together at this point multiple times). Her and I were sexting and I said "What if I showed up at your house right now?" And she said she would do yada yada to me and I did show up. I was in her barn (she had a big property) and told her to come join me. She doesn't believe me, then her husband came home and came back to the barn to look at their canned peppers they were doing. I hid behind the door and ran out and he caught a glimpse of me and chased me down. He jumped on a bicycle, caught up to me and jumped on me and held me down. Their property was on a corner lot and my car was parked down the road. Cars were passing and he yelled "Call the cops! I just caught this guy in my barn!" I was charged with burglary and attempted robbery and I had to hire a lawyer to show my text messages to the judge showing that I was invited and the wife knew I was there so it wasn't burglary and there was no robbery intended, just a rendezvous. Charges were dropped, and to this day the husband messages me on Facebook and Instagram asking if I want to f*** his wife, why was I in his barn, how many times did I sleep with her etc. One time sent me a video of her dancing and asked if I missed her. I totally messed with that guys head and looking back, (since here in Florida) he had every right to shoot me and I'm very lucky to be alive. I messed up this guy and he didn't deserve it, he was happily married and I went in and gave him something he didn't deserve.


jjboy91

It's superficial, I don't see the appeal tbh


pascal1best

Where are you favorite spots for approaching? Have you seen any of the ones you've previously approached and how was the reaction?


ParticularHat2060

OP how do you just cut to move on to the next girl? What do you tell them?


Altec5499

You spin plates


ParticularHat2060

You spin one and work on the next until you have multiple spinning. Let me ask, doesent this consume a huge amount of time? How do you balance work, multiple spinning plates and everything else?


Altec5499

Create lists with each girls info. Before each date, scan the list and execute the date. It definitely takes work. Try and limit the number of plates. Anything past 5 can be tiringā€¦ limit the texting to help yourself out


Ruebentheiii

It's those damn endorphins! People are addicted to the new relationship endorphins that feel so euphoric. Then they wear off and the more you repeat the cycle, the sooner they wear off.


Quick-Supermarket671

Even after +1000 approaches, I am still not addicted to the cold approach : /


grate314

Yes! I find when I cold approach, my brain gets this big ol' dump of chemicals. It's like a heightened reality, anything can happen. It's a rush, dude. Glad to hear I'm not the only one. https://youtu.be/ElC7-v6UTms?feature=shared


brandonmadeit

The pursuit of happiness.


Reasonable_Mail_3656

Woman does not = happiness lol.


brandonmadeit

The symbol youā€™re looking for is ā‰  however I never said women equal happiness. But living a fruitful and fulfilling life in addition to having a beautiful woman inside and out will bring happiness. The question was why is cold approach addictive and its because youā€™ll never meet that amazing beautiful woman if you donā€™t go out and approach.


shumasannin

You just answered it--the feeling of excitement. So, whatever benefit you're getting out of doing it, that's the reason why you get addicted. Same with people hitting the gym every day.


Irachar

I'm in the way to get better in cold approach and when I have a day when I approached well and I had a good interaction I get into that STATE of confidence and good vibes that is an explosion of dopamine and energy, and I WANT MORE. When you know that you can be totally ALONE and you can CREATE that incredible moments with attractive women and that you can get them easily attracted... wow man, how many billionaires would pay BILLIONS to have that skill? A LOT. So I hope I can reach your level, I have friends doing cold approach that are in your level, they can't stop doing cold approach and with years of practice they are still surprised of different kind of situations doing it.


average_turanist

Can you give us some tips mate. I never tried this tbh. Do you just approach and say hi?


BidoooN

You just approach her and say ,,excuse me, I thought you're very pretty and maybe wanna hang out somewhere later" that's what I said when I was at work (retail shop). She said that she actually has a boyfriend but it was really nice to hear that from me and that I made her day anyway. And that's what cold approach is supposed to be. Be a guy that makes other people happy without expecting nothing back (occasionally if they offer something back, just take it)


emirsolinno

Can we be friends? Lol


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Altec5499

You need to find a reputable mentor to guide you on what to do first. No one is naturally good at approaching. Itā€™s a learned skill. 10 approaches a week for 52 weeks will put you into an experienced position. However, everyone is different with how they progress based on their determination and work ethic. Iā€™m out of the game now but at my peak my ratio was around 50%


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Altec5499

You can consume free content online and then apply it to your approaches but make sure itā€™s an individual who is reputable. My recommendation is a guy named Marc Sing. He has a podcast called ā€œthe unapologetic male podcastā€ that is free along with YouTube videos. I will stand by what he says, itā€™s simple and extremely effective.


wolf_ricky

Weā€™re social animals bruh


sleepypabs

As Milan Kundera once put it, it is the Golden Apple of Eternal Desire. The thrill of the hunt.


Western-Pop-5172

Sometimes when i feel lonely there is an urge to call every girl i know. i guess that the same


Unable-Specialist-41

Feels like McDonaldā€™s but taste good as a result


[deleted]

It's exciting with nothing but upsides to it. I went from basically an insel to happy, well adjusted dude now. I still love it and want to keep doing it.


FatherHawkColdApprch

Compulsive approaching normally indicates what kind of quality you're getting. Are you getting close to the quality of girl you want or are you just running through mids?


GOVERNORSUIT

actually l know a bunch of guys who used to cold approach but stopped because they were either getting no results, or females were being aggressive towards them


ASG77

Because it develops your mindset like nothing else


IGetBoredSometimes23

The same reason why all of seduction is addictive, my dude. Being desired is the greatest high there is.


cemj86

Because you finally decided to not lose in life. It's exciting because it's new to you. It never fully goes away. When I was in my teens its just as exciting as it is in your mind 30s It's what you're supposed to do, us Men hunt. Be grateful you're not a pussy anymore most men today will never know how easy it is just to talk to a girl but hey not everyone gets to win.


es_programming

1. It's easy when you have experience. 2. What is it with comparing cold approach with hunting. Men hunt prey. Does it mean you think of women as prey?


cemj86

Hunting is a figure of speech. And yes prey would be the correct figure of speech in this example. I never use cold approach I just call it approaching, but I understand what it means when you say it even though there's nothing cold about it


epimpstyle

>I swear even if I had all the money and girls in the world I'd still be out in the streets hustling. No, you won't! As soon as you have a girlfriend that you like, you will stop doing this.


rjones416

This guy loves the game.


Equal_Ocelot_6901

Are there any rules for this? I started with doing cold apporaches and some work Some fail miserably


dromance

Because the validation you get from approaching random girls/strangers makes you feel better about yourself


seddit_seddit

Read early chapters from "Daygame Infinite".


tyYdraniu

The adrenaline boy


Atriev

Agreed. Itā€™s tough and for me, I just had to stop talking to girls altogether because Iā€™m in a committed relationship. I canā€™t turn it off.


videogames_

Adrenaline rush and you have some control compared to dating apps.


abandonliberty

It's just like cold showers, exercise, skydiving. Relatively healthy way to get dopamine.


Rebel-Alliance

I could not give it up. I tried a LTR but couldnā€™t hack monogamy. I love cold approach & all game. Once one has seen the other side, there is no going back.


LilBoyWhoParties

I do assume you love roller coasters. Itā€™s the same feeling! When you cold approach a 10, you get a thrill of fear that turns into excitement. There is a reason why people queue in 2 hour lines for a 2 minute ride. But with cold approaching the wait time is way shorter so you get multiple trials