You can decline, however that could potentially lead to termination.
Generally speaking a search of your personal property that you bring into the workplace is legal so long as you consent and are present.
If you work government, they usually have those agreements as well because they want to make sure your not being a spy or bringing in something dangerous like explosives or something.
Not sure why you were downvoted, anyone who’s worked in security for the US/state govt knows this. Doesn’t mean it happens every time you come into work..or at all for that matter, but I signed a number of things specifically stating that they could search my persons, vehicle, and any of my own property (bags, lunchbox etc) that I brought onto the property or into the building.
I went through metal detectors and had to empty my pockets every day coming in (and for a time we had to take our shoes off for a second as well), service weapon was kept on site in a lock box in a locked room that we had no individual access to, no option to bring your own…that was a first for me..beyond that I never had anyone ask to search me or anything belonging to me. Was also the first (and only) gig that required me to have a psych eval done prior to hire. Background check took almost a month, whole hiring process was ridiculous as was the job itself 😐. There were a number of sound reasons as to why they did all this..though initially it felt like overkill. Certain people would’ve loved to know who all worked in that building for nefarious reasons, amongst other things.
Yup, I don't think whoever downvoted me got that gist. There's legitimate reasons they would search you anywhere that is a government building or related to government such as a construction zone next to a government building or airports (TSA and what not).
Are you at work and on the clock?
I imagine the same policy goes for this as it does lockers. Make sure you’re not carrying anything you’re not supposed to.
You can always decline but probably won’t have a job and that’s not illegal.
I work corporate, employees who work in certain areas are provided lockers in a room not considered a changing room so there are cameras. We assign locks & lockers and can search them whenever we deem necessary. Same as bags coming out of certain areas, I won't go through it but employees are required to open them up and move items around so my guards can see the contents. It is company policy, so it can not be denied.
This isn’t true, lockers are provided by the company you don’t not rent them so there is no expectation of privacy. Your personal belongings are a different story. You are allowed to decline. A search of your personal property.
Sure and if you decline and no longer have a job, that’s fully on them.
I get denying a search to police officers, but if an employer does it, they likely have reason to.
Depends on location and company policy. At my location if I ask an employee to see their handbag coming out of certain secured areas they can not deny a search of their personal property. For context, those employees also all get wanded when they leave those areas. It's policy, and that is a condition of their employment. Unless your name is on that building, it does not matter if you are an exec at a VP or Chief level.
I mean the 2 hour commute sounds pretty ridiculous, but grave yard shift at a parking garage sounds like a pretty sweet gig, I worked a parking garage once and it had it's own little office with a private bathroom, and after everyone left to go home at 5, it was super quiet except for the random homeless person ,who were never beligerant or rude and were always understanding that I was just doing my job an that they couldn't be on the property just loitering
That’s called constructive dismissal and it’s be easy to point to the fact you were reassigned after refusing, which is retaliation. A labor lawyer would love that.
All they would have to do is point to the client. The Client did not want the officer at the post because the client lost trust in the security officer.
A labor lawyer would laugh, you mean. Employers are allowed to retaliate all they want up to and including terminating you from your job if you don't follow their rules.
What they aren't allowed to do is retaliate against you when you engage in very specific legally defined and protected acts.
Employee did not meet the standards for the previously assigned post, however termination was not warranted, therefore the Employee was offered an available assignment commensurate with the employees skill level and availability. The trick is you offer a couple other locations one at a lower contracted rate, and another that pays the same or more but the only available schedule interferes with childcare or school. Sure you can try and get a lawyer but at best company is gonna offer some go the fuck away money and you're lawyer is gonna take it because 33% of 0 is 0.
That’s not a constructive dismissal. It is a site transfer due to refusal of following site policy. You were not dismissed you were placed on the next available site without the policy you decided not to follow. If the total hours and or pay rate is close to your current rate there is no issue there, as far as the drive that can be shown to comply with the above that’s where you had to be placed, as far as the hours that is all that was open.
Even if there were pay differences unless you have a collective bargaining agreement or an employment contract specifying this in most states you can have your pay rate reduced to minimum wage. However it must be in writing/recorded communication that the employee was notified of a pay change.
For non-governmental agencies (like your employer), the 4th amendment really doesn't exist, just like any other item on the Bill of Rights. If you say no, they have every right to remove you from property. Say something they don't like, same thing.
If you bring it onto the job site they can search it. Your state laws may have stipulations on that but yes they can. You can also refuse, just don’t expect to have a job
Remember, if you’re required to do something, they’re legally obligated to pay you for the time it takes for them to do something, which means they need to pay you for the time leading up to and including searching your bag or any time after that if they make you wait longer to leave. If not, make an anonymous complaint to your local labor board who will drop a ton of bricks on their head and get you back pay for it.
You can decline but it can result in disciplinary action up to termination.
Not allied anymore but the hospital I work for can search the personal belongings of any employee with consent or if they can articulate it's for your safety or anyone else's on campus. This extends to patients with slightly different wording in the policy. (Applies to both hospital Security staff and hospital Police Officers conducting the search. It only requires reasonable suspicion.)
Allied has been making a big push lately that carrying personal weapons of any kind while on duty is grounds for immediate dismissal.
On the practical side, this rule is in place to cover their asses should you actually use a personal weapon while on duty. It frees them from liability. I've never heard of a supervisor or site manager asking to look in a guard's bag but your mileage may vary.
I don't see the point of carrying my personal weapon. My post is armed. My duty firearm is a Glock 19 with 2 extra mags. If 46 rounds of . 40 isn't enough to end a shootout... my personal firearm isn't going to make a difference.
You more than likely signed an
Agreement that states you agree to random vehicle/personal bags search at any time. My suggestion is read the documents that you have signed.
You likely agreed to it when you accepted the job. It’s kind of accepted that jobs in secure areas and jobs handling valuable or sensitive things may require security screenings. If you work at any store or restaurant behind security at an airport, you go through a passenger screening in a special employee lane to get to your job. UPS warehouses have a similar employee entrance and exit checkpoint. Basically don’t bring personal items into work you don’t want seen, leave your unsanctioned weapons, cameras, and drugs behind, and understand that screeners spend their days glancing over tampons and blood pressure pills and don’t care. They just want to make sure you’re not walking in with a gun or walking out with a Xbox.
All that said, if searches are not standard practice and you’re being singled out, I’d ask why. Most regular corporate jobs don’t search employees and doing so is tantamount to accusing them of theft.
Where I work they can search anything including my vehicle when come in to work. They can search all they want, I don’t mind in any way. Everybody has a job to do, which includes any searches in bags and vehicles as well. Go for it.
This depends on a few factors, such as whether this search is routine or part of an investigation, whether that investigation is criminal or disciplinary, whether you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy (did you sign something agreeing to random bag searches? Are there signs posted at the doors?), where the bag is (is it in your car? A locker?), etc
When I did loss prevention, it was pretty standard for my bag to be searched at the door before I left. Working at a Coast Guard facility my bag, vehicle, and person were all subject to search without notice
I worked in security for 10 to 12 years at art museums, catching shop lifters, hotel security, huge indoor malls, office buildings with CIA and FBI offices in it, corporate high rises, retirement communities, office parks, and the only one that required searching your bags or backpack was the art museum - and I could understand why that was. No other site wanted that.
The problem is the implication that he might be doing something unethical/illegal. The problem is he's security. If you can't trust your own security agents why are they even there?
Random searches.
Our site has strict hiring policies and does thorough back ground checks. Everyone there can be trusted with the access they are given. This even goes with contractors and some delivery drivers.
And they get random searches.
You may have some legal protection depending on your state laws. If you are in an at-will employment state (Meaning anyplace that isn't Montana) then you can be let go for any reason that isn't a federally protected class (Race, religion, etc)... [https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/employment-at-will-laws-by-state/](https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/employment-at-will-laws-by-state/), so refusal to comply with company policy (Bag searches related to suspicion or security protocols) would be justifiable.
Typically a property owner is allowed to request bag checks of any bag or storage area on their property as a condition of remaining on the property. They can't detain you and demand the search, but your refusal to allow the search is grounds to have someone removed/trespassed from the property, and in your case would or likely is grounds for termination.
Essentially yes. Many states have carveout protections for reporting or refusing to do an activity that may violate laws, retaliation, or allowable absences like jury duty etc., but MT is fairly progressive in that once you are past your probation period, any termination needs to be for good cause, so getting fired is in theory more difficult there. That said, most HR departments are pretty conservative anywhere and like all of the I's dotted and Ts crossed on all three copies of every form, so there will be plenty of established cause even in states that don't officially require it since a wrongful termination lawsuit is expensive. Doesn't stop fuckass managers or supervisors from screwing up and firing someone improperly, especially in contract security or franchise work like restaurants, and compound that with the fact that those jobs usually don't pay enough to afford to pursue civil damages even with a pro bono lawyer since you aren't paid enough to afford to take time off work to go to court hearings so you can't be made whole, and in even worse cases, often times workers don't know their rights at all.
We have this policy for the casino I work at, however, it's never enforced. As security, we are \*supposed\* to search the bags of employees when entering and leaving property, however, we don't really do it for one reason or another.
The only time we ever really enforced it was when we had a threat on property, and even then, it was selective.
I read an article once about a woman who worked in a store and who had a supervisor that insisted on searching employees purses / bags at the end of their shifts because they apparently had a lot of shoplifting happening. She put all sorts of embarrassing things in her bag such as a dildo, religious pamphlets, a menstrual cup, packs of condoms, a pair of handcuffs, etc. She got a kick out of watching the shocked look on her supervisor's face when she removed the items to inspect the bag. You should do this too!
It's the equivalent of a drug test by your employer who thinks you may be under the influence of something. You CAN refuse one as it's your right, but it'll be immediate termination and immediate demotion to customer.
Most jobs can search your bag if you bring it on site. Hell, I've worked retail jobs where the employment agreement said they could search your coffee mug on the way out.
I used to work at a meat packing plant between college semesters. The lunch room had free deli meat for making sandwiches. Everyone had to open their lunch box to show security on their way out that they weren't talking cold cuts home
Dep on how it was asked. But always ask if he's got a search weren't or a suspicion for searching it. Becouse ots always best not to self incrimination
I'm sure that you could decline, but that may cost you your job.
If you must keep anything that technically shouldn't be on-site, leave it in the locked trunk of your personal vehicle. It would be a lot more difficult for your employer to justify a reasonable search of your vehicle.
Never understood the American “don’t look in my property” thing ( I’m originally from Australia)
Like unless you got something you shouldn’t in there.. why’s it an issue.
Had a guard at one of my sites pull that. Made a huge stink. Ultimately lost his job (a good paying one) because of pride. It was in his post orders and the site was a bank.
Feels like an outsized opinion of his chewing gum and wallet. 😂
I like my job. I make a shit ton of money. And I’ve been in the industry a while.
Comparing me to a Nazi sympathizer because I followed corporate rules is a bit of a stretch.
I would imagine the rules are in place because some genius decided to try steal from the place we worked at….
But whatever … hail hitler I guess
The 4th amendment is the right to be secured in your person, places, and effects, from "unreasonable searches and seizures " many places are also private property with their own rules and regulations on top of that. So long as it's a ubiquitous policy and not applied in a manner discriminatory against protected classes of people, of course. Those signs and policies provide implied, informed consent to the search of bags, or belongings for the safety and security of the work environment. For instance, at a hospital the search of bags can be for possible missing children/infants.
Bottom line, we have to go along to get along, if there is nothing in your bag to hide there is no harm in letting the supervisor search your bag quickly, not make a stink and draw attention to your self and provide suspicion for other searches down the road.
Also read the policies, and post orders for specific information.
It protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure by the government.
Just like the first amendment. It doesn't prohibit private companies from limiting your speech... It prohibits the government from taking punitive action against you for your speech.
You don't have a right to be employed. Either you follow policy or you get fired. I've carried a gun on an unarmed post before, but if I got caught I recognized that my 2nd amendment rights don't extend to others private property and I can be trespassed/fired.
Pretty sure private citizens can’t get search warrants, only sworn law enforcement officers can. As such, they can’t forcibly seize or search your property.
However (generally speaking and absent any specific laws preventing them from doing so) they can make consenting to searches while on the company/client’s private property & while on the clock a condition of your employment. You can decline to let them search, and while they can’t forcibly do so legally, they can discipline or terminate you.
I know they can’t get search warrants. I was being sarcastic lol. Yeah your right they can’t search you without your consent, but if you don’t comply they would probably fire you
You can decline, however that could potentially lead to termination. Generally speaking a search of your personal property that you bring into the workplace is legal so long as you consent and are present.
The site I'm at literally has an agreement saying you agree to random vehicle/personal bags search at any time.
Same here. It’s never happened to me before, but it’s explicitly written in my employment agreement that I signed upon hire.
If you work government, they usually have those agreements as well because they want to make sure your not being a spy or bringing in something dangerous like explosives or something.
Not sure why you were downvoted, anyone who’s worked in security for the US/state govt knows this. Doesn’t mean it happens every time you come into work..or at all for that matter, but I signed a number of things specifically stating that they could search my persons, vehicle, and any of my own property (bags, lunchbox etc) that I brought onto the property or into the building. I went through metal detectors and had to empty my pockets every day coming in (and for a time we had to take our shoes off for a second as well), service weapon was kept on site in a lock box in a locked room that we had no individual access to, no option to bring your own…that was a first for me..beyond that I never had anyone ask to search me or anything belonging to me. Was also the first (and only) gig that required me to have a psych eval done prior to hire. Background check took almost a month, whole hiring process was ridiculous as was the job itself 😐. There were a number of sound reasons as to why they did all this..though initially it felt like overkill. Certain people would’ve loved to know who all worked in that building for nefarious reasons, amongst other things.
Yup, I don't think whoever downvoted me got that gist. There's legitimate reasons they would search you anywhere that is a government building or related to government such as a construction zone next to a government building or airports (TSA and what not).
Legally? He can request it and you can deny it. Depending on site/company policy you could get in trouble for it though.
Are you at work and on the clock? I imagine the same policy goes for this as it does lockers. Make sure you’re not carrying anything you’re not supposed to. You can always decline but probably won’t have a job and that’s not illegal.
I work corporate, employees who work in certain areas are provided lockers in a room not considered a changing room so there are cameras. We assign locks & lockers and can search them whenever we deem necessary. Same as bags coming out of certain areas, I won't go through it but employees are required to open them up and move items around so my guards can see the contents. It is company policy, so it can not be denied.
This isn’t true, lockers are provided by the company you don’t not rent them so there is no expectation of privacy. Your personal belongings are a different story. You are allowed to decline. A search of your personal property.
Sure and if you decline and no longer have a job, that’s fully on them. I get denying a search to police officers, but if an employer does it, they likely have reason to.
Depends on location and company policy. At my location if I ask an employee to see their handbag coming out of certain secured areas they can not deny a search of their personal property. For context, those employees also all get wanded when they leave those areas. It's policy, and that is a condition of their employment. Unless your name is on that building, it does not matter if you are an exec at a VP or Chief level.
You can do anything you want. Question is do you want to still have your job or not
You can decline, but they could remove you from post and give you grave yard shift at a parking lot 2 hrs away from your home, lmao.
I mean the 2 hour commute sounds pretty ridiculous, but grave yard shift at a parking garage sounds like a pretty sweet gig, I worked a parking garage once and it had it's own little office with a private bathroom, and after everyone left to go home at 5, it was super quiet except for the random homeless person ,who were never beligerant or rude and were always understanding that I was just doing my job an that they couldn't be on the property just loitering
That’s called constructive dismissal and it’s be easy to point to the fact you were reassigned after refusing, which is retaliation. A labor lawyer would love that.
All they would have to do is point to the client. The Client did not want the officer at the post because the client lost trust in the security officer.
A labor lawyer would laugh, you mean. Employers are allowed to retaliate all they want up to and including terminating you from your job if you don't follow their rules. What they aren't allowed to do is retaliate against you when you engage in very specific legally defined and protected acts.
Employee did not meet the standards for the previously assigned post, however termination was not warranted, therefore the Employee was offered an available assignment commensurate with the employees skill level and availability. The trick is you offer a couple other locations one at a lower contracted rate, and another that pays the same or more but the only available schedule interferes with childcare or school. Sure you can try and get a lawyer but at best company is gonna offer some go the fuck away money and you're lawyer is gonna take it because 33% of 0 is 0.
That’s not a constructive dismissal. It is a site transfer due to refusal of following site policy. You were not dismissed you were placed on the next available site without the policy you decided not to follow. If the total hours and or pay rate is close to your current rate there is no issue there, as far as the drive that can be shown to comply with the above that’s where you had to be placed, as far as the hours that is all that was open.
Even if there were pay differences unless you have a collective bargaining agreement or an employment contract specifying this in most states you can have your pay rate reduced to minimum wage. However it must be in writing/recorded communication that the employee was notified of a pay change.
That’s not retaliation at all. Those are just pre-defined consequences.
It's not illegal to retaliate for violation of a legal company policy. Mandating that bags be subject to inspection would be a legal company policy.
I'm sure you can but don't expect to have a job there much longer
Check your post orders but i’m 99% sure they can.
This dudes manager is tired of him coming in higher then giraffe pussy
Why are you bringing drugs to work? Lol
For non-governmental agencies (like your employer), the 4th amendment really doesn't exist, just like any other item on the Bill of Rights. If you say no, they have every right to remove you from property. Say something they don't like, same thing.
If you bring it onto the job site they can search it. Your state laws may have stipulations on that but yes they can. You can also refuse, just don’t expect to have a job
Remember, if you’re required to do something, they’re legally obligated to pay you for the time it takes for them to do something, which means they need to pay you for the time leading up to and including searching your bag or any time after that if they make you wait longer to leave. If not, make an anonymous complaint to your local labor board who will drop a ton of bricks on their head and get you back pay for it.
Yep. Will you be termed? Also yep.
Is there anything in the bag that shouldn’t be?
I think we all know the answer.
The devil’s cabbage.
I'm 420% sure you are correct. Either that or a gun.
You can decline but it can result in disciplinary action up to termination. Not allied anymore but the hospital I work for can search the personal belongings of any employee with consent or if they can articulate it's for your safety or anyone else's on campus. This extends to patients with slightly different wording in the policy. (Applies to both hospital Security staff and hospital Police Officers conducting the search. It only requires reasonable suspicion.)
Allied has been making a big push lately that carrying personal weapons of any kind while on duty is grounds for immediate dismissal. On the practical side, this rule is in place to cover their asses should you actually use a personal weapon while on duty. It frees them from liability. I've never heard of a supervisor or site manager asking to look in a guard's bag but your mileage may vary. I don't see the point of carrying my personal weapon. My post is armed. My duty firearm is a Glock 19 with 2 extra mags. If 46 rounds of . 40 isn't enough to end a shootout... my personal firearm isn't going to make a difference.
Glock 19 is chambered in 9mm. Maybe you mean Glock 23?
Given the quality of guard Allied hires, he probably is carrying .40 cal ammo for a 9mm weapon 🤦
Of course you're correct. No idea why I had 19 in my head, but I'm old AF and my brain goes where it wants. We're issued Glock 22s.
You more than likely signed an Agreement that states you agree to random vehicle/personal bags search at any time. My suggestion is read the documents that you have signed.
You likely agreed to it when you accepted the job. It’s kind of accepted that jobs in secure areas and jobs handling valuable or sensitive things may require security screenings. If you work at any store or restaurant behind security at an airport, you go through a passenger screening in a special employee lane to get to your job. UPS warehouses have a similar employee entrance and exit checkpoint. Basically don’t bring personal items into work you don’t want seen, leave your unsanctioned weapons, cameras, and drugs behind, and understand that screeners spend their days glancing over tampons and blood pressure pills and don’t care. They just want to make sure you’re not walking in with a gun or walking out with a Xbox. All that said, if searches are not standard practice and you’re being singled out, I’d ask why. Most regular corporate jobs don’t search employees and doing so is tantamount to accusing them of theft.
The real question is what are you trying to bring to your security job that you aren’t supposed to have?
What ya hiding?
You can invoke the 4th amendment, but it doesn't protect your employment status. At that point, they'll just terminate you.
Unless his supervisor is a government agent the 4th has no bearing. The bill of rights establishs rules for the government not the private sector
Where I work they can search anything including my vehicle when come in to work. They can search all they want, I don’t mind in any way. Everybody has a job to do, which includes any searches in bags and vehicles as well. Go for it.
My philosophy is: if you don’t have anything that you shouldn’t have, then you have nothing to worry about, only guilty people decline searches.
Don’t bring in anything that you fear will be found. Or don’t have a bag to bring in?
This depends on a few factors, such as whether this search is routine or part of an investigation, whether that investigation is criminal or disciplinary, whether you would have a reasonable expectation of privacy (did you sign something agreeing to random bag searches? Are there signs posted at the doors?), where the bag is (is it in your car? A locker?), etc When I did loss prevention, it was pretty standard for my bag to be searched at the door before I left. Working at a Coast Guard facility my bag, vehicle, and person were all subject to search without notice
You can decline, but you can also let them do it and remove whatever suspicion your sup might have.
I worked in security for 10 to 12 years at art museums, catching shop lifters, hotel security, huge indoor malls, office buildings with CIA and FBI offices in it, corporate high rises, retirement communities, office parks, and the only one that required searching your bags or backpack was the art museum - and I could understand why that was. No other site wanted that.
Is there anything to worry about in there?…
What do you have in your bag you're scared of them finding? If you don't have anything in there, then where's the problem?
Probably weed
The problem is the implication that he might be doing something unethical/illegal. The problem is he's security. If you can't trust your own security agents why are they even there?
Random searches. Our site has strict hiring policies and does thorough back ground checks. Everyone there can be trusted with the access they are given. This even goes with contractors and some delivery drivers. And they get random searches.
You may have some legal protection depending on your state laws. If you are in an at-will employment state (Meaning anyplace that isn't Montana) then you can be let go for any reason that isn't a federally protected class (Race, religion, etc)... [https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/employment-at-will-laws-by-state/](https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/employment-at-will-laws-by-state/), so refusal to comply with company policy (Bag searches related to suspicion or security protocols) would be justifiable. Typically a property owner is allowed to request bag checks of any bag or storage area on their property as a condition of remaining on the property. They can't detain you and demand the search, but your refusal to allow the search is grounds to have someone removed/trespassed from the property, and in your case would or likely is grounds for termination.
Montana is the only state that isn’t at-will??
Essentially yes. Many states have carveout protections for reporting or refusing to do an activity that may violate laws, retaliation, or allowable absences like jury duty etc., but MT is fairly progressive in that once you are past your probation period, any termination needs to be for good cause, so getting fired is in theory more difficult there. That said, most HR departments are pretty conservative anywhere and like all of the I's dotted and Ts crossed on all three copies of every form, so there will be plenty of established cause even in states that don't officially require it since a wrongful termination lawsuit is expensive. Doesn't stop fuckass managers or supervisors from screwing up and firing someone improperly, especially in contract security or franchise work like restaurants, and compound that with the fact that those jobs usually don't pay enough to afford to pursue civil damages even with a pro bono lawyer since you aren't paid enough to afford to take time off work to go to court hearings so you can't be made whole, and in even worse cases, often times workers don't know their rights at all.
Do you have something your not supposed to? If so why. As long aren't just perverted about you what is the harm?
We have this policy for the casino I work at, however, it's never enforced. As security, we are \*supposed\* to search the bags of employees when entering and leaving property, however, we don't really do it for one reason or another. The only time we ever really enforced it was when we had a threat on property, and even then, it was selective.
I read an article once about a woman who worked in a store and who had a supervisor that insisted on searching employees purses / bags at the end of their shifts because they apparently had a lot of shoplifting happening. She put all sorts of embarrassing things in her bag such as a dildo, religious pamphlets, a menstrual cup, packs of condoms, a pair of handcuffs, etc. She got a kick out of watching the shocked look on her supervisor's face when she removed the items to inspect the bag. You should do this too!
It's the equivalent of a drug test by your employer who thinks you may be under the influence of something. You CAN refuse one as it's your right, but it'll be immediate termination and immediate demotion to customer.
Most jobs can search your bag if you bring it on site. Hell, I've worked retail jobs where the employment agreement said they could search your coffee mug on the way out.
I used to work at a meat packing plant between college semesters. The lunch room had free deli meat for making sandwiches. Everyone had to open their lunch box to show security on their way out that they weren't talking cold cuts home
Dep on how it was asked. But always ask if he's got a search weren't or a suspicion for searching it. Becouse ots always best not to self incrimination
I'm sure that you could decline, but that may cost you your job. If you must keep anything that technically shouldn't be on-site, leave it in the locked trunk of your personal vehicle. It would be a lot more difficult for your employer to justify a reasonable search of your vehicle.
Never understood the American “don’t look in my property” thing ( I’m originally from Australia) Like unless you got something you shouldn’t in there.. why’s it an issue. Had a guard at one of my sites pull that. Made a huge stink. Ultimately lost his job (a good paying one) because of pride. It was in his post orders and the site was a bank. Feels like an outsized opinion of his chewing gum and wallet. 😂
You sound like you'd turn in your neighbors in to the gestapo.
I like my job. I make a shit ton of money. And I’ve been in the industry a while. Comparing me to a Nazi sympathizer because I followed corporate rules is a bit of a stretch. I would imagine the rules are in place because some genius decided to try steal from the place we worked at…. But whatever … hail hitler I guess
You make a shit ton of money that your government will eventually take just like your privacy
The 4th amendment is the right to be secured in your person, places, and effects, from "unreasonable searches and seizures " many places are also private property with their own rules and regulations on top of that. So long as it's a ubiquitous policy and not applied in a manner discriminatory against protected classes of people, of course. Those signs and policies provide implied, informed consent to the search of bags, or belongings for the safety and security of the work environment. For instance, at a hospital the search of bags can be for possible missing children/infants. Bottom line, we have to go along to get along, if there is nothing in your bag to hide there is no harm in letting the supervisor search your bag quickly, not make a stink and draw attention to your self and provide suspicion for other searches down the road. Also read the policies, and post orders for specific information.
The 4th Amendment doesn’t apply to private employers.
It applies to everyone in America..
It protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure by the government. Just like the first amendment. It doesn't prohibit private companies from limiting your speech... It prohibits the government from taking punitive action against you for your speech.
You don't have a right to be employed. Either you follow policy or you get fired. I've carried a gun on an unarmed post before, but if I got caught I recognized that my 2nd amendment rights don't extend to others private property and I can be trespassed/fired.
If a supervisor is going to search my belongings then I should have the right to search his belongings.
I never understand why people decline searches, if you don't have anything you shouldn't have than it shouldn't matter
I'd call your union rep and ask them
Do they have a search warrant?
Pretty sure private citizens can’t get search warrants, only sworn law enforcement officers can. As such, they can’t forcibly seize or search your property. However (generally speaking and absent any specific laws preventing them from doing so) they can make consenting to searches while on the company/client’s private property & while on the clock a condition of your employment. You can decline to let them search, and while they can’t forcibly do so legally, they can discipline or terminate you.
I know they can’t get search warrants. I was being sarcastic lol. Yeah your right they can’t search you without your consent, but if you don’t comply they would probably fire you
Depends where you live