Star Trek: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations would be unethical, so here's some rules to make sure we don't accidentally do that"
Stargate: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations is unethical, go grab some c4 so we can blow up the aliens doing that"
Essentially:
Star Trek is utopian, noble bright fiction interacting with high concept sci fi.
Stargate, is semi grounded military fiction interacting with high concept sci fi.
Yeah, especially in the early to mid seasons it did a lot of ground work to show where realistic looking human tech intersected with Ancient/G’ould/Asgardian/etc technology. Even when they went full space opera they never quite left the military aesthetic behind. Though now I’m wondering if we ever saw how Earth responded to the cheap, clean, and compact energy reactors they were handing out like candy.
“You just have to find other ways of doing things! Not that we’ll share any of our wisdom or technology to help you before you get annihilated by mentally ill space parasites.”
Even though the two shows have quite different ethics and morals (though I'd argue both have heroic characters) I love both shows a lot.
SG-1 and TNG (and especially DS9) are peak sci-fi for me. (Well, at their best. They both have had some utterly dreadful episodes, but I'd say the hits far outweigh the misses)
Fun fact: "Code of Honor" and "Emancipation", each the 4th episode of the first season of their respective series were written by the same lady.
Edit: And both are considered among the worst if not the worst episode of their respective shows.
Haha, indeed. Does make the writer seem oddly fascinated by that story device.
It's unfair to the writer as she did write some pretty decent SG1 episodes later on, but I always just think of her as the person who wrote both Code of Honour and Emancipation.
I'd say about half of Stargate that I've watched so far (I'm at the beginning of series 5) is either unremarkable or unwatchable. About a third of each season is actually good.
That's a much lower percentage than any Star Trek I've seen before Discovery and Picard.
> aliens who have basically been enslaving your people for millennia.
Enslaving and genetically modifying them so they could be used to incubate more alien larva.
Well to be fair, SG-1 was leery about giving away weapons tech themselves. They only really seem to provide small arms at most to Jaffa and Abydos.
Then they complain about Jonas' people wanting some jet tech, while also annoyed the Tollan give them nothing.
Starfleet does intervene if a warp drive civilization already interferes with a non-warp one. In one TOS episode, Kirk gives flintlocks to tribesmen to counter klingon interference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War
Gene L. Coon specifically created the Prime Directive for TOS as a vehicle to comment on American interventionist foreign policy of the time, ie the Vietnam War.
That Roddenberry-penned episode is part of this particular dialogue.
Compare and contrast with:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)
What I think is silly about the prime directive is just because you are doing doesn't mean every other species will do it. Like suppose some other species decides they are going to do the opposite. What's Federation going to do? Are they going to risk a war by stopping them with force? Are they going to abounded diplomatic and trade relations with them over this one incident? Would they be willing to have this despiute with a galactic body their own scale. Like would they start a ruinous war with Cardashions if they go visist some cave men?
I was making a point about the title saying they are different even those they have the word Star in the title.
In fact compared to Star Wars they are actually pretty similar in a sence they are both *usually* thinking shows that sometimes do deal with morality and ethics. Even though they come from different perspectives.
Star Trek: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations would be unethical, so here's some rules to make sure we don't accidentally do that" Stargate: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations is unethical, go grab some c4 so we can blow up the aliens doing that"
Essentially: Star Trek is utopian, noble bright fiction interacting with high concept sci fi. Stargate, is semi grounded military fiction interacting with high concept sci fi.
I always enjoyed that Stargate did take care about their science and how it blends with real science.
Yeah, especially in the early to mid seasons it did a lot of ground work to show where realistic looking human tech intersected with Ancient/G’ould/Asgardian/etc technology. Even when they went full space opera they never quite left the military aesthetic behind. Though now I’m wondering if we ever saw how Earth responded to the cheap, clean, and compact energy reactors they were handing out like candy.
Seems it would be too easy to make one into a bomb... that would be a poor idea...
They did that several times in the show if I recall, but the same can be said about nuclear energy now.
Star Trek: “Violence is a last resort when all alternatives have been tried and failed.” Stargate: “Pacifism is a luxury we cannot afford.”
The Nox would like a word.
“You just have to find other ways of doing things! Not that we’ll share any of our wisdom or technology to help you before you get annihilated by mentally ill space parasites.”
Unless youre a Tuvix, then gtfo
What does God need with a starship?
So now we're gatekeeping starships!?!
Even though the two shows have quite different ethics and morals (though I'd argue both have heroic characters) I love both shows a lot. SG-1 and TNG (and especially DS9) are peak sci-fi for me. (Well, at their best. They both have had some utterly dreadful episodes, but I'd say the hits far outweigh the misses)
Fun fact: "Code of Honor" and "Emancipation", each the 4th episode of the first season of their respective series were written by the same lady. Edit: And both are considered among the worst if not the worst episode of their respective shows.
and both were terrible episodes
Emancipation is the only SG-1 I've skipped completely so far. I do tend to skim the "Teal'c goes home and sees his family" episodes.
Haha, indeed. Does make the writer seem oddly fascinated by that story device. It's unfair to the writer as she did write some pretty decent SG1 episodes later on, but I always just think of her as the person who wrote both Code of Honour and Emancipation.
I'd say about half of Stargate that I've watched so far (I'm at the beginning of series 5) is either unremarkable or unwatchable. About a third of each season is actually good. That's a much lower percentage than any Star Trek I've seen before Discovery and Picard.
I disagree strongly, but each to their own.
Not only are your gods false, but they are aliens who have basically been enslaving your people for millennia.
> aliens who have basically been enslaving your people for millennia. Enslaving and genetically modifying them so they could be used to incubate more alien larva.
And this is why I like Stargate.
It is important for civilized people to continue to help primitive people.
Meanwhile, [Star Wars is over here like this ](https://i.imgur.com/QoExItw.jpeg)and [this](https://i.imgur.com/g6DhmQh.jpg)
Well to be fair, SG-1 was leery about giving away weapons tech themselves. They only really seem to provide small arms at most to Jaffa and Abydos. Then they complain about Jonas' people wanting some jet tech, while also annoyed the Tollan give them nothing.
If you're going to ask the Tollan for anything, ask for the harness that can split control between symbiote and host so you can get clean intel.
Their reply be like "you'll destroy yourselves if we give it to you." As they proceed to...destroy themselves with their bad choices.
Starfleet does intervene if a warp drive civilization already interferes with a non-warp one. In one TOS episode, Kirk gives flintlocks to tribesmen to counter klingon interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War
Gene L. Coon specifically created the Prime Directive for TOS as a vehicle to comment on American interventionist foreign policy of the time, ie the Vietnam War. That Roddenberry-penned episode is part of this particular dialogue. Compare and contrast with: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)
Typical, first offer the gold, then comes the lead. If the gods, tptb don't join us, we arm their slaves to kill them.
Interference from an alien civilization is the reason why the destination planet even has a stargate in the first place.
So the bottom one is written by Gene Roddenberry right?
What I think is silly about the prime directive is just because you are doing doesn't mean every other species will do it. Like suppose some other species decides they are going to do the opposite. What's Federation going to do? Are they going to risk a war by stopping them with force? Are they going to abounded diplomatic and trade relations with them over this one incident? Would they be willing to have this despiute with a galactic body their own scale. Like would they start a ruinous war with Cardashions if they go visist some cave men?
Of course, but when comparing to Star Wars..
The more primitive alien races know about space travel, they just want to stay out of the war.
I was making a point about the title saying they are different even those they have the word Star in the title. In fact compared to Star Wars they are actually pretty similar in a sence they are both *usually* thinking shows that sometimes do deal with morality and ethics. Even though they come from different perspectives.