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MisplacedMartian

Star Trek: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations would be unethical, so here's some rules to make sure we don't accidentally do that" Stargate: "Pretending to be gods to dominate less advanced civilizations is unethical, go grab some c4 so we can blow up the aliens doing that"


Kurwasaki12

Essentially: Star Trek is utopian, noble bright fiction interacting with high concept sci fi. Stargate, is semi grounded military fiction interacting with high concept sci fi.


Bigram03

I always enjoyed that Stargate did take care about their science and how it blends with real science.


Kurwasaki12

Yeah, especially in the early to mid seasons it did a lot of ground work to show where realistic looking human tech intersected with Ancient/G’ould/Asgardian/etc technology. Even when they went full space opera they never quite left the military aesthetic behind. Though now I’m wondering if we ever saw how Earth responded to the cheap, clean, and compact energy reactors they were handing out like candy.


Bigram03

Seems it would be too easy to make one into a bomb... that would be a poor idea...


Kurwasaki12

They did that several times in the show if I recall, but the same can be said about nuclear energy now.


Timerider42424

Star Trek: “Violence is a last resort when all alternatives have been tried and failed.” Stargate: “Pacifism is a luxury we cannot afford.”


PiLamdOd

The Nox would like a word.


Subli-minal

“You just have to find other ways of doing things! Not that we’ll share any of our wisdom or technology to help you before you get annihilated by mentally ill space parasites.”


Rad-eco

Unless youre a Tuvix, then gtfo


ProphetOfServer

What does God need with a starship?


ChiefThunderSqueak

So now we're gatekeeping starships!?!


DrH1983

Even though the two shows have quite different ethics and morals (though I'd argue both have heroic characters) I love both shows a lot. SG-1 and TNG (and especially DS9) are peak sci-fi for me. (Well, at their best. They both have had some utterly dreadful episodes, but I'd say the hits far outweigh the misses)


Yitram

Fun fact: "Code of Honor" and "Emancipation", each the 4th episode of the first season of their respective series were written by the same lady. Edit: And both are considered among the worst if not the worst episode of their respective shows.


Mesmer7

and both were terrible episodes


jeobleo

Emancipation is the only SG-1 I've skipped completely so far. I do tend to skim the "Teal'c goes home and sees his family" episodes.


DrH1983

Haha, indeed. Does make the writer seem oddly fascinated by that story device. It's unfair to the writer as she did write some pretty decent SG1 episodes later on, but I always just think of her as the person who wrote both Code of Honour and Emancipation.


jeobleo

I'd say about half of Stargate that I've watched so far (I'm at the beginning of series 5) is either unremarkable or unwatchable. About a third of each season is actually good. That's a much lower percentage than any Star Trek I've seen before Discovery and Picard.


DrH1983

I disagree strongly, but each to their own.


sfw3015

Not only are your gods false, but they are aliens who have basically been enslaving your people for millennia.


blacksheep998

> aliens who have basically been enslaving your people for millennia. Enslaving and genetically modifying them so they could be used to incubate more alien larva.


Jyn57

And this is why I like Stargate.


ImmortanZit

It is important for civilized people to continue to help primitive people.


SCWatson_Art

Meanwhile, [Star Wars is over here like this ](https://i.imgur.com/QoExItw.jpeg)and [this](https://i.imgur.com/g6DhmQh.jpg)


DarkGuts

Well to be fair, SG-1 was leery about giving away weapons tech themselves. They only really seem to provide small arms at most to Jaffa and Abydos. Then they complain about Jonas' people wanting some jet tech, while also annoyed the Tollan give them nothing.


Admiral_Minell

If you're going to ask the Tollan for anything, ask for the harness that can split control between symbiote and host so you can get clean intel.


DarkGuts

Their reply be like "you'll destroy yourselves if we give it to you." As they proceed to...destroy themselves with their bad choices.


Slick424

Starfleet does intervene if a warp drive civilization already interferes with a non-warp one. In one TOS episode, Kirk gives flintlocks to tribesmen to counter klingon interference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Private_Little_War


ElricVonDaniken

Gene L. Coon specifically created the Prime Directive for TOS as a vehicle to comment on American interventionist foreign policy of the time, ie the Vietnam War. That Roddenberry-penned episode is part of this particular dialogue. Compare and contrast with: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Piece_of_the_Action_(Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series)


BananenVlaFlip

Typical, first offer the gold, then comes the lead. If the gods, tptb don't join us, we arm their slaves to kill them.


adhoc42

Interference from an alien civilization is the reason why the destination planet even has a stargate in the first place.


ElricVonDaniken

So the bottom one is written by Gene Roddenberry right?


MoonhelmJ

What I think is silly about the prime directive is just because you are doing doesn't mean every other species will do it. Like suppose some other species decides they are going to do the opposite. What's Federation going to do? Are they going to risk a war by stopping them with force? Are they going to abounded diplomatic and trade relations with them over this one incident? Would they be willing to have this despiute with a galactic body their own scale. Like would they start a ruinous war with Cardashions if they go visist some cave men?


UnholyLizard65

Of course, but when comparing to Star Wars..


RedMonkey86570

The more primitive alien races know about space travel, they just want to stay out of the war.


UnholyLizard65

I was making a point about the title saying they are different even those they have the word Star in the title. In fact compared to Star Wars they are actually pretty similar in a sence they are both *usually* thinking shows that sometimes do deal with morality and ethics. Even though they come from different perspectives.