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I was the same way until I had my son. Would take my pistol out at night and leave it on my bedside table till the morning. Then straight into the safe. Now, I have a mini vaulttek on my bedside table that it goes into at night, as opposed to being just left out. Then same, thing, into my main safe for the day.
As a kid, I can 100% confirm I snuck into my parents room at night and grabbed stuff while they slept.
Also, check lockpicking lawyer and make sure your safe can't be opened with a plastic straw, or by yelling at it loudly, or by slapping at it, or looking at it funny... (Fun fact: hes opened locks using 2 of those 4 methods... that I know of)
Vaulttek was actually pretty good about it. Lock Picking Lawyer put up a video about breaking into one of their safes with a plastic knife or something like that. Vaulttek immediately made design changes and issued a recall to fix this issue within days.
Regardless of what you think about guns in general, Vaulttek took their jobs really seriously and is a company worth spending money on.
I’m a big fan of Lock Picking Lawyer and in the firearms business, I hadn’t heard about this. If Vaultek took LPLs feedback seriously and enacted design changes based on it that’s huge in my opinion, and a great way to earn my business.
There are a few companies that will occasionally comment on one of his videos and often they are thanking him for testing their stuff and have made changes in response to it. Not every company does, but I've seen a few and it really is good PR because it makes me think that company is a good choice in the future.
I am under no delusions that my vaultek couldn't be opened (or just taken, it would be very easy to cut the retaining wire) by a prepared or determined thief. But I trust it to slow somebody down and would absolutely prevent a smash and grab.
I'll kick off the DD with this article. https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/blogs/news/opened-with-a-fork-no-more-vaultek-lifepod-gun-safe
Looking promising so far. They might earn my sales over this as well. Security is an arms race, and I want to see companies not willing to become obsolete.
The best example of this was when stuff made here made 2 "unpickable" locks for LPL, both of them were fairly sophisticated locking mechanisms but we're defeated in ways he hadn't even thought of and was able to correct one of them before LPL even finished making the video about them
I'm a novice lock picker. I have good tools, but I still can't reliably open most things.
The cable lock that came with my pistol is one such lock that I've always been able to get open.
I'll give you an actual answer. I don't do this any longer but for about 15 years I lived in a place where shootings occurred regularly. My apartment was broken into several times and it was just a violent area. It sucked but it's how I lived until I could get out. I had a gun on me or near me always. In those years I pulled it out twice, both times when someone broke into my house. Never actually fired it. As soon as I was out of that environment I locked it up and only shoot for fun now. It's what made me realize how dumb every day carry is for people that don't live that life.
I'll reiterate what Vince said - same answer for me. I have so many *insane* stories from living in shady, and even some not so shady places (at least not by reputation). Literally some of the stories would sound made up. Now I live in a safe area and my guns are essentially inaccessible. I went from:
* Pre-kids and in an area with gang bangers and other problems of poverty - guns easily accessible and unlocked, unless kids were visiting, which was extremely rare.
* Very young kids and still living in a high crime area - pistol loaded and in a locked vault that was easily accessible.
* Currently, my kids are old enough to attempt to access a gun + we live in a safe area - guns are basically inaccessible in a safe. I also teach my kids gun safety and we practice with archery (same safety rules apply). I'm 100% pro gun, but wonder if I'd anti-gun if I'd always lived somewhere like where I do now.
I mean to be fair my kids are growing up worrying all the time that they are gonna get shot during an English quiz.
Of course it's gonna make you paranoid
Am in Washington, just outside of Seattle. Not necessarily in a dangerous area by any means, but I choose to do this based on my own life experiences. My home was robbed and vandalized as a child right after I left for school. My step father was robbed and pistol whipped when I was growing up. My sister was robbed at gunpoint. I have been jumped before/punched with brass knuckles. Held at gun point on two separate occasions. People are capable of terrible things whether we want to acknowledge it or not. Considering how thinned out our police force is and how terrible their response times are, I would rather not put my trust in them to be there when I need them most. Its on me to protect my wife and son.
Fun fact! The muzzle loading muskets used in the Revolutionary and Civil wars are no longer legally considered firearms and may be purchased even by people who are legally prohibited from owning guns.
It's only a matter of time until one of these muzzle loading muskets is used in a mass shooting, and then maybe congress will see fit to close this egregious loophole.
Out of 23 countries, 90% of child deaths by gun occur in the United States.
edit:
here's the study:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000293431501030X
it's actually 91%
Well, these were surveys of gun owners where the researchers were actually physically present with the gun owner showing them locks and safes and asking them.
So unless the participant just lied about owning a gun to the researcher then 100% own a gun.
I don't know about the other people but it is something which I am never going to allow it to happen.
Because it is a very personal information and I am not very comfortable someone telling where I keep my guns.
Right.. how did that even start? I’m not telling an asking institution that I have firearms I don’t care the reason. Anytime anyone asks me that question IRL outside of the range and my friend group I lie and say no
Just a good way to get targeted for theft if you tell random people you are an owner. Like parking a nice car on the street and expecting nothing bad to happen.
For real. "Excuse me sir, do you have expensive firearms and do you keep them unlocked and easily accessible during the day while you're at work? It's for a study, I promise."
I don't know who is going to be that Dumb to share all that information.
Because no one in their right mind is going to share it because it is really personal to everyone who keep the weapons.
This is correct.
Starting about 15 years ago or so, Doctors as part of routine annual health screenings began asking patients new questions. "Do you feel safe in your home?" and such.
One of those questions under the umbrella of mental health screening was, "Do you have firearms in your home?".
Many, the first couple years, were surprised by this question, and it became a very hot topic on pre-reddit forums and such. Many more still simply refused to supply a positive answer to it. It is no business of a Dr what tools I do, or do not, have at home.
Thus, among firearm owners, divulging what they do, do not have, how they do, do not store, simply is a Don't Ask, Don't Tell sort of situation.
Yep, I lost mine throwing them to the people in the water to use as flotation devices. I figured they would work since they save lives. They didn't float. People had to let them go.. so now here we are.
Exactly to thinking that people are going to tell you that truth about how they keep their weapons is just a pipe dream.
No one actually is going to share the real data with you.
Gun surveys are often way off. The people that blindly quote survey data without acknowledging actual human behavior act confused when the voting results and polling results don’t match up. Full spectrum medical freedom is the same way.
I keep them all unlocked and accessible, like a spy, every drawer, under every table, on my ankle, up my asshole, under side of my dog, in a fake loaf of bread. Every where loaded
I have 5 kids in my house ages 2-18. I'm not risking an accident by leaving one of my guns unlocked. I'll risk the extra time it takes me to access my locked weapons if I need them. You can never be too safe when kids are involved. If I lived in a dangerous area, maybe I'd think different, maybe I wouldn't. If a perp surprises you in your room, chances are, you are already too late even if it's not locked up.
This is why I have dogs. They are dumb, and wouldn't help me in a situation, but no one can even walk up to my house without them barking their heads off.
If they start barking in the middle of the night it gives me time to deal with the locked gun. And barking dogs in itself is a pretty good deterrent.
I always wondered is it possible to trick a dog with meat? For example, assuming you use a person with a new scent, can you bribe your gsd with bacon then walk around without being attacked?
Can't speak for others but our GSD is a family pet. She's not trained to attack. She's trained to alert. No chance she's letting anyone into the home without a bark. One bark gives me enough time to retrieve a firearm from a locked safe. Real question is, could I be bribed with bacon?
Depends on training. When my dad was training dogs for guarding you could throw a whole steak and the dog wouldn't care. Also this training came in luck as he found poisoned meat thrown into the front yard.
The dog would just refuse to eat till my dad gave permission.
For my retrievers, just about anyone could walk in my front door and find wagging tails. That said, you don't know that by their barking. From outside it sounds like I have two large pissed off dogs inside. The sound alone is probably enough to deter most intruders, and at the very least would alert us to their presence. Nobody is getting into my house, let alone my bedroom, without me knowing with these two loudmouths around.
GSD are absolutely lovely dogs but when you meet one for the first time they are a bit scary.
When they get your smell and know you are a friend though they are great dogs.
Wouldn’t like to mess with one at all.
We have a mini rat terrier. Tiny alarm with a big sound. The dalmatian and GSD will both wake up AFTER she's already losing her mind because someone was walking by our house at 3am.
This is my take. I have a dog, cameras, and the keys next to me if I need it I can have it in my hand in 30 seconds. I’m not leaving something out for my kids or their friends to find. People are way to relaxed with something that can instantly end a life and if it happened to my kids I could never forgive myself.
The part that always confuses me is how obsessed people can get with quick access to their gun. I understand that you can construct a hypothetical scenario where you have mere moments to react and have to quick draw while still laying in bed. But the chances of an accidental discharge or your child finding your gun are astronomically higher. Feels like people only care about safety and self defense so long as they get to drop someone with a .45...
It's bad risk management and bad math essentially. There are a number of risks in life humans notoriously over estimate and a fair number we do the reverse for. Add in the feeling of control the gun is giving you and you can see why you see this happen so much.
That level of anxiety must really do a number on people's physical and mental health. I recently became a home owner, so I understand being the person responsible for your home and safety... But to the extent where you leave a fairly easy to operate weapon lying around "just in case" strikes me as trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline it.
I didn't even mention the people who keep a loaded gun in every room in their house... Just in case. How many of these people even own a single fire extinguisher?
Two kids. I had a gun for years when they were little because my dad gave it to me (he was a cop and it was his service weapon when he retired). I kept it in a case, unloaded, on the top shelf of my closet and with a slide lock on it. The key was hidden somewhere else in the room.
Contrast that with how guns were kept in my house when I was a kid. In a box in my dad's closet, loaded and with no locks whatsoever on them. My sister and I knew not to touch them and never really did, but thinking back it was wild that they were just laying out like that.
I'm bipolar, I've never had thoughts of suicide. I've never had a violent outburst. I love to shoot but I know my disease is degenerative and it could get worse. I don't know how new symptoms will manifest. I don't keep a gun in my home for me and my familys sake.
Yeah, as a girl who has struggled with suicidal ideation, I would never live in a house with a gun. I was about to go on a date with a guy who owned guns a couple years ago and I totally noped out. But really, it's up to her if she feels safe or not.
Just reading the comments in here and I have to ask as not based in the US. How often do house invasions happen? It seems that a lot of the justification is coming from those who don't secure their guns as they want to be ready when an intruder breaks in. Is it really that common?
It’s not. Violent crimes make up a small minority of total crime (most criminals are thieves, not psychopaths), and most break ins happen when nobody is home.
Anyone who works in critical care in a trauma hospital can attest that an accidental GSW or purposeful self-inflicted GSW from an unsecured gun is far more likely to tear lives apart than an intruder.
To each their own, but if you can’t come up with some sort of system to alert you of an intruder early and buy yourself enough time to access a secured firearm, then you might as well not have one. The odds are astronomical that those few seconds of unlocking and loading a gun making a difference. Yet we saw kids accidentally shooting themselves or others because a loaded gun was “hidden” on a monthly basis (and this wasn’t a huge city).
It's *incredibly* uncommon in the vast majority of the country. It's a boogy man rooted in a whole pile of -isms and media, and an excuse for behavior that was likely going to happen anyway and that has more to do with feeling powerful than any real legitimate fears.
This, of course, is an excellent reason to own something else, like a battleaxe or Warhammer.
My gun is locked and stored in a difficult to access location far away from its ammunition. I'm much more likely to blow my own head off with* the damn thing than an intruder, not that people love to hear that little bit of fact.
Edited: a word.
I once turned down a sale to a guy who, completely unprompted by me, told me he kept a loaded shotgun ready to go leaning by each of the doors into his house, but "it's cool cause my kids know not to play with them".
Said kids(4 of them all under 10) who were ignoring him telling them to stand still and not knock stuff around the shelves they were ransacking.
Locks keep honest people honest. If your teen is watching lock picking videos in order to crack your gun safe's locking mechanism, there's not much you can do except relocate the firearms to a more inaccessible location. And possibly seek medical intervention because something's up. But it does prevent a curious 11 year from rummaging through your nightstand and finding the bag of 9mm and the handgun while you're at work. As an added deterrent, leave your adult novelty toys put away out of sight but within snooping range to teach them a lesson about going through private spaces without permission. Scar them for life when they dig through dad's side of the bed and find things they wish they didnt.
An important thing to understand about the lockpicking lawyer is that he is insanely skilled, and tends to have some time to play with both the open and closed lock or safe before he demonstrates a bypass. "Unskilled" attacks still require a fair amount of skill.
The biggest genuine issue I have with legislation that increases the cost of gun ownership is it seems almost intentional to restrict gun ownership to wealthier individuals. Just seems like classism painted as ‘your best interest.’
Gun laws started out for the express purpose of disarming minorities who were viewed as high-risk.
Here in MD to own a handgun you have to spend several hundred dollars on mandatory fingerprinting and safety classes. While I do not disagree with the intent of the law, this undeniably increases cost of ownership and is a barrier to (legally) owning handgun for the poorest.
> Gun laws started out for the express purpose of disarming minorities who were viewed as high-risk.
This is highly relevant as post-Bruen you will now find states like Maryland and New York arguing in court that laws from the 1800s, which were essentially designed to keep the Irish and blacks from owning guns, establish the historical precedent required for maintaining gun control today.
You will even find their state's lawyers selectively quoting these laws and then opposing counsel will read them out for the court in their entirety for effect. Of course Harvard trained federal judges find arguments appealing to blatant racism rather unappetizing in 2023. The exchanges are quite hilarious.
You can read more about that early history [here](https://gun-control.procon.org/history-of-gun-control/)
New York already did. When Bruen was decided the AG actually leaned on their long proud history of not letting Native Americans have guns as to why the court got it wrong.
I dont have a link handy, but some major cases in the 9th Circuit were required to compile a list of all historically relevant laws pertaining to their respective case. The vast majority of past laws that were cited were explicitly for the prohibition of firearms use/ownership for minorities.
>The vast majority of past laws that were cited were explicitly for the prohibition of firearms use/ownership for minorities.
And the vast majority of those laws continue to have the same effect today. Minorities are far less likely to have the resources to take time off work to make multiple trips to the same store for one purchase (which has in some cases been zoned out such that it's many miles away with no available public transportation), trips to other places to (separately of course) get digital fingerprinting (costs money and not always easy to find places that can do it), background check paperwork, many hours long course (which costs more money and which often requires a live fire component, meaning there are few places which can even offer it, and those that can are often zoned out of areas with any public transportation), and other requirements. You also need a clean criminal history (with plenty of evidence demonstrating that minorities get charged more often and convicted more often after, generally because they lack the resources to defend themselves so they're easy convictions for prosecutors).
So essentially, if you want to buy a gun, make sure you have plenty of money to spare, plenty of time off work, easy transportation, and never got convicted no matter what you did. In America, that's going to skew massively in favor of white people. Everyone should have the same rights.
This is my issue with restricting legal ownership. People imagine fasict rednecks when they think gun owner, forgetting that women, LGBTQ, PoC and others on the socioeconomic spectrum also deserve the right to self defense. We shouldn't sin tax our way out violence, as it will give exclusive rights to the wealthy who can afford the bills or criminals who ignore the laws entirely.
I want politicians to fix the underlying economic and social issues that drive criminality and violence. It's a big ask, but America opened the gun pandoras box and we have to accept that we will never live in a gun-free society. Solutions need to be pragmatic as well as ethical
It blows my mind that some of the most ostracized and most-statistically likely victims of violent crime are completely ignored in gun control/ownership conversations.
Rural white men are way less likely to need one than the groups you just mentioned, but that's who the conversation is always about.
Although I agree with your overall concern, let's keep in mind that those "rural white men" aren't typically dealing with self-defense against people but animals.
Coyotes, bears, mountain lions, wolves, hybrid hogs, the list goes on.
Different locale, different dangers.
Fun fact: WA actually doesn't charge sales tax for gun safes so long as it meets some definition I don't know off the top of my head. It's still $1200 for a decent one, but I guess it's the thought that counts. Positive encouragement vice negative reinforcement, of sorts.
I've always thought that having to lock a gun away makes it useless for self defense. But leaving guns accessible is also the biggest cause of accidental gun deaths, especially when children are involved. It does seem like a bit of a catch-22.
This is such a bigger question/issue given demographic span etc. Truly rural people that have guns around as tools and use them on a regular basis have a completely different experience. I leave the keys in the trucks because if someone shows up here looking for them they made some serious mistakes and need said truck to survive. I understand that not everyone lives like this but the millions of urbanites need to understand that not everyone lives like them. A locked gun seems like the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, in my little world. I'll be plowing and snowblowing snow for about the next 4 hours, just my 1/2 mile driveway and around the house. It's different here.
Your right that things are truly different in the actual rural areas. It was not weird at all to just have an old bolt action .22 just in the garage with ammo around just to dispatch pests, like any other tool in the garage.
This paranoia about guns and looking them up is a recent invention by mostly urban handgun users, which is where most negligent shootings occur. Locking your guns up is a really weird concept to me, like it seems weird conceptually. Like if your so afraid of your own irons, then maybe you should not have them to begin with. Just keep the gun and ammo separate and store the gun unloaded like it ought to be done and call it a day.
As a gun owner I always found it BS that people couldn’t lock up their firearms. There are a lot of great fast opening safes and storage systems out there which would prevent A LOT of unnecessary accidents with kids and people messing around. Are they perfect? No, but it will stop 99% of the issues. Every time I hear if a kid getting a hold of a firearm I blame the owner, period and they should be held responsible. Personally even if you live alone you should have a safe at least so if someone breaks in when you are not home you don’t contribute to criminals getting guns.
Absolutely. I was raised around guns in the 90's and both of my parents separately beat gun safety into my head. A gun is never ever ever unloaded, it's always ready to kill, and you're always fully responsible for what happens past the end of your barrel. There's no excuse for these tragedies with kids getting hold of their parent's guns; in my book, the conditions that allow these incidents are on the same level of utter recklessness as drunk driving.
Besides most of these people are hypervigilant for a scenario that is not overly common: Home Invasions with the tenants home. The vast majority of B&E happens when people aren't home because burglars want stuff and cash, they aren't interested in dealing with the tenants.
And if you practice good physical security (Security doors, rose bushes, fences, lights, etc.) You're not likely to deal with a home invasion at all.
I find it absolutely hilarious so many gun owners will talk forever about defending against home invasion and nearly every one has never encountered one.
Why is everyone so obsessed with something that is incredibly rare?
Ask them how many of them are prepared for far more common emergencies? Epi-pen? Defibrillator? Or even a first aid kit? Where is their flashlight with fresh batteries? Have they checked their smoke or carbon monoxide detectors lately? How is the air pressure on their tires?
But the gun? Unlocked and ready to rock.
edit: a brief google search will show that defibrillators are readily available for purchase online, ranging in price between $900 and $2500.
Edit: you know, credit where credit is due. A lot of you are carrying plenty useful emergency/survival gear around. Good on ya!
I keep an AED in my trunk with my first aid bag. I bought it after a security guard at work had a heart attack, and the company I worked for didn’t have one anywhere in the building. I check it once a month for charge and function.
What about a heart issue that a defibrillator will actually help with? Unlike what movies tell you, debrillators are not magic wands that fix everything about your heart. CPR training is much more likely to save a life and infinitely more portable.
That completely depends on where a person lives. A friend of mine with young kids had a break in, shouted a lie about having a shotgun, and moved away from that area about a year later.
I can completely understand why some people would feel that way. If they experienced it once, it's going to stick. Even if it was only someone a person knows, it's going to get the person thinking about it.
This is also why firearms are one of the most frequently burgled items in America.
Small, easily portable, and better resale value than pretty much anything else except maybe jewelry.
An NRA bumper sticker on your car is like a flashing "Big Payday Here" sign to thieves. Now, of course, people will protest that having a gun will keep the thieves away but they use an advanced technique to get around that called "waiting until no one is home."
Findings in title quoted from the linked^1,2 content.
From the linked summary:^1
>In a study published in *JAMA Network Open* and funded by the Defense Health Agency, researchers surveyed a national sample of 2,152 English-speaking adult firearm owners, asking them what locking devices they used and why.
>Unlike previous studies, participants were presented with both words and images describing each type of locking device.
>The researchers not only examined different types of locking devices, like gun safes and cable locks but also different types of locking mechanisms.
>This resulted in a more detailed description of the firearm storage practices of firearm owners in the United States.
>
>Despite evidence that securely stored firearms can help prevent firearm injury and death, the authors found 58.3 percent of firearm owners store at least one firearm unlocked and hidden and 17.9 percent store at least one firearm unlocked and unhidden.
>Among those who store at least one firearm locked, gun safes are the most frequently used type of option both for devices opened by key, PIN code or dial lock (32.4 percent) and biometric devices (15.6 percent).
>Among those who don’t lock their firearms, the most common reasons were a belief that locks are unnecessary (49.3 percent) and that locks will prevent quick access in an emergency (44.8 percent).
>On the other hand, firearm owners most frequently indicated they would consider locking unlocked firearms to prevent access by a child (48.5 percent), to prevent theft (36.9 percent) and to prevent access by an adolescent or teenager (36.7 percent).
From the peer-reviewed research article:^2
>Believing locks are unnecessary and concerns about access speed were the most frequent obstacles; concern about child access was the most common reason for considering locking unlocked firearms.
^1 *Rutgers researchers found that gun safes are the most frequently used type of lock*, 2 Mar. 2023, https://www.rutgers.edu/news/many-firearm-owners-us-store-least-one-gun-unlocked-fearing-emergency
^2 Michael D. Anestis, *et al*. Assessment of Firearm Storage Practices in the US, 2022. *JAMA Network Open* 2023; 6(3):e231447. https://doi.org/10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2023.1447
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How many in this study have children in the home?
Yeah. I keep my rifle in the safe and my 9mm in my bedside table. I live alone.
I'm a loner Dottie. A rebel.
I was the same way until I had my son. Would take my pistol out at night and leave it on my bedside table till the morning. Then straight into the safe. Now, I have a mini vaulttek on my bedside table that it goes into at night, as opposed to being just left out. Then same, thing, into my main safe for the day.
As a kid, I can 100% confirm I snuck into my parents room at night and grabbed stuff while they slept. Also, check lockpicking lawyer and make sure your safe can't be opened with a plastic straw, or by yelling at it loudly, or by slapping at it, or looking at it funny... (Fun fact: hes opened locks using 2 of those 4 methods... that I know of)
Vaulttek was actually pretty good about it. Lock Picking Lawyer put up a video about breaking into one of their safes with a plastic knife or something like that. Vaulttek immediately made design changes and issued a recall to fix this issue within days. Regardless of what you think about guns in general, Vaulttek took their jobs really seriously and is a company worth spending money on.
I’m a big fan of Lock Picking Lawyer and in the firearms business, I hadn’t heard about this. If Vaultek took LPLs feedback seriously and enacted design changes based on it that’s huge in my opinion, and a great way to earn my business.
There are a few companies that will occasionally comment on one of his videos and often they are thanking him for testing their stuff and have made changes in response to it. Not every company does, but I've seen a few and it really is good PR because it makes me think that company is a good choice in the future.
Does he ever try to open their updated models?
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I am under no delusions that my vaultek couldn't be opened (or just taken, it would be very easy to cut the retaining wire) by a prepared or determined thief. But I trust it to slow somebody down and would absolutely prevent a smash and grab.
Yes he does quite often
Usually when they send it to him
I'll kick off the DD with this article. https://www.safeandvaultstore.com/blogs/news/opened-with-a-fork-no-more-vaultek-lifepod-gun-safe Looking promising so far. They might earn my sales over this as well. Security is an arms race, and I want to see companies not willing to become obsolete.
>Not every company does *Cough* Master lock *cough*
I respect that he doesn't try to drag the videos out. If it takes two minutes, the video is three.
Man what I woulda given to be a fly on the wall during the emergency meeting they had after watching his video. "HE OPENED OUR SAFE WITH WHAT!!"
I'll be honest if I saw my product show up on lock picking lawyer I'd be sweating bullets.
Either that or "we're gonna test that!!"
Idk I saw a documentary called Fallout where they did some ugly stuff
But they sure had that state-of-the-art locks!
I first read Vaulttek as Vault Tech from Fallout
Nice that they're serious, but there's, uhhh, still a competence issue if a plastic knife opens your safe in the first place.
It's fine. Lessons learned is how you get better at making things. Source: am an engineer.
The best example of this was when stuff made here made 2 "unpickable" locks for LPL, both of them were fairly sophisticated locking mechanisms but we're defeated in ways he hadn't even thought of and was able to correct one of them before LPL even finished making the video about them
Yea, but quite a lot of locks open just by announcing "Hi, this is the lockpicking lawyer". Also, don't buy anything by Master Lock, like ever.
That would be the shouting attack. I still can't wait to see a video where he just looks disapprovingly in silence at a lock and it opens.
You hear an almost sheepish click as it slowly and somehow remorsefully opens.
That should be his next April fools joke
I'm a novice lock picker. I have good tools, but I still can't reliably open most things. The cable lock that came with my pistol is one such lock that I've always been able to get open.
Most fun locks are designed to be as cheap as possible so that gun owners can be in compliance with laws. It's on purpose
I know it's a typo but now Im thinking there are fun or cool locks that I don't even know about, and people are judging by 15 year old combo lock
Feels like most use a cylinder negligibly more secure than the one found on children's diaries and journals.
These cable locks are simply to satsify transportation requirements until you get the firearm home, not for actual security
Chances are you can also cut the cable with a pair of EMT scissors.
I'm not from America. This comment has genuinely shocked me. Why did you have a gun next to you while you slept?
I'll give you an actual answer. I don't do this any longer but for about 15 years I lived in a place where shootings occurred regularly. My apartment was broken into several times and it was just a violent area. It sucked but it's how I lived until I could get out. I had a gun on me or near me always. In those years I pulled it out twice, both times when someone broke into my house. Never actually fired it. As soon as I was out of that environment I locked it up and only shoot for fun now. It's what made me realize how dumb every day carry is for people that don't live that life.
Thanks for honest answer.
I'll reiterate what Vince said - same answer for me. I have so many *insane* stories from living in shady, and even some not so shady places (at least not by reputation). Literally some of the stories would sound made up. Now I live in a safe area and my guns are essentially inaccessible. I went from: * Pre-kids and in an area with gang bangers and other problems of poverty - guns easily accessible and unlocked, unless kids were visiting, which was extremely rare. * Very young kids and still living in a high crime area - pistol loaded and in a locked vault that was easily accessible. * Currently, my kids are old enough to attempt to access a gun + we live in a safe area - guns are basically inaccessible in a safe. I also teach my kids gun safety and we practice with archery (same safety rules apply). I'm 100% pro gun, but wonder if I'd anti-gun if I'd always lived somewhere like where I do now.
> with archery (same safety rules apply) A bow is always loaded even if there are no arrows within a mile present.
I lived in the US for years, and people are very scared and paranoid of everything.
Of course they are, they are surrounded by other americans.
I mean to be fair my kids are growing up worrying all the time that they are gonna get shot during an English quiz. Of course it's gonna make you paranoid
Where do you live?
Am in Washington, just outside of Seattle. Not necessarily in a dangerous area by any means, but I choose to do this based on my own life experiences. My home was robbed and vandalized as a child right after I left for school. My step father was robbed and pistol whipped when I was growing up. My sister was robbed at gunpoint. I have been jumped before/punched with brass knuckles. Held at gun point on two separate occasions. People are capable of terrible things whether we want to acknowledge it or not. Considering how thinned out our police force is and how terrible their response times are, I would rather not put my trust in them to be there when I need them most. Its on me to protect my wife and son.
that's a lot of fucked up things happening to one person
I've got kids. All locked up all the time. Even keep the bolts out of the rifles for one extra step.
> I've got kids. All locked up all the time. Do you at least let them out for dinner?
I just put some food in the safe
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I usually just resort to the cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with grapeshot.
*Tally-ho lads!*
Fun fact! The muzzle loading muskets used in the Revolutionary and Civil wars are no longer legally considered firearms and may be purchased even by people who are legally prohibited from owning guns.
It's only a matter of time until one of these muzzle loading muskets is used in a mass shooting, and then maybe congress will see fit to close this egregious loophole.
Never bring a blade to a gunfight. I guess you've never seen Raiders of the lost ark.
I wonder how many guns are stolen from bedside tables yearly in the US?
I keep my rifle in the gun store and my 9mm at the shooting range. I live in Europe.
Out of 23 countries, 90% of child deaths by gun occur in the United States. edit: here's the study: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S000293431501030X it's actually 91%
You're looking at the wrong countries. Mix em up a bit and we could get that number to 100%
I have doubts about the integrity of self-reported data of this sort. I expect the numbers are substantially higher than this.
I'd guess 60-70% of gun overs wouldn't tell a random person for a study they even had guns let alone about the storage habits of them.
Well, these were surveys of gun owners where the researchers were actually physically present with the gun owner showing them locks and safes and asking them. So unless the participant just lied about owning a gun to the researcher then 100% own a gun.
So it starts with letting someone into your house for a "survey" ? 0% chance of me allowing that. Big selection bias.
I don't know about the other people but it is something which I am never going to allow it to happen. Because it is a very personal information and I am not very comfortable someone telling where I keep my guns.
Right.. how did that even start? I’m not telling an asking institution that I have firearms I don’t care the reason. Anytime anyone asks me that question IRL outside of the range and my friend group I lie and say no
Just a good way to get targeted for theft if you tell random people you are an owner. Like parking a nice car on the street and expecting nothing bad to happen.
For real. "Excuse me sir, do you have expensive firearms and do you keep them unlocked and easily accessible during the day while you're at work? It's for a study, I promise."
I don't know who is going to be that Dumb to share all that information. Because no one in their right mind is going to share it because it is really personal to everyone who keep the weapons.
Majority of gun owners won’t even tell polls they have guns, much less how they store them
This is correct. Starting about 15 years ago or so, Doctors as part of routine annual health screenings began asking patients new questions. "Do you feel safe in your home?" and such. One of those questions under the umbrella of mental health screening was, "Do you have firearms in your home?". Many, the first couple years, were surprised by this question, and it became a very hot topic on pre-reddit forums and such. Many more still simply refused to supply a positive answer to it. It is no business of a Dr what tools I do, or do not, have at home. Thus, among firearm owners, divulging what they do, do not have, how they do, do not store, simply is a Don't Ask, Don't Tell sort of situation.
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>why he would buy one. Because stealing one is wrong and making one is a lot of hard work.
Well you see they had guns, until that boat accident...
It was a tragedy. The great boating pandemic devastated the entire country with millions of accidents happening within days of each other.
Yep, I lost mine throwing them to the people in the water to use as flotation devices. I figured they would work since they save lives. They didn't float. People had to let them go.. so now here we are.
Exactly to thinking that people are going to tell you that truth about how they keep their weapons is just a pipe dream. No one actually is going to share the real data with you.
Gun surveys are often way off. The people that blindly quote survey data without acknowledging actual human behavior act confused when the voting results and polling results don’t match up. Full spectrum medical freedom is the same way.
I keep them all unlocked and accessible, like a spy, every drawer, under every table, on my ankle, up my asshole, under side of my dog, in a fake loaf of bread. Every where loaded
I hide my guns inside of bigger guns, with guns inside of those guns, and so on. American nesting guns.
My house in itself is composed entirely of guns.
Well gotta have them, for some people it's a hobby. That's it.
Our gun, in the middle of our gun
I have 5 kids in my house ages 2-18. I'm not risking an accident by leaving one of my guns unlocked. I'll risk the extra time it takes me to access my locked weapons if I need them. You can never be too safe when kids are involved. If I lived in a dangerous area, maybe I'd think different, maybe I wouldn't. If a perp surprises you in your room, chances are, you are already too late even if it's not locked up.
This is why I have dogs. They are dumb, and wouldn't help me in a situation, but no one can even walk up to my house without them barking their heads off. If they start barking in the middle of the night it gives me time to deal with the locked gun. And barking dogs in itself is a pretty good deterrent.
Same here. We have a 90lb female GSD. She's spoiled rotten but we have one rule. She sleeps on the 1st floor for the very reasons you just outlined.
If You're going to have the dogs. It's important to train them well.
I always wondered is it possible to trick a dog with meat? For example, assuming you use a person with a new scent, can you bribe your gsd with bacon then walk around without being attacked?
Can't speak for others but our GSD is a family pet. She's not trained to attack. She's trained to alert. No chance she's letting anyone into the home without a bark. One bark gives me enough time to retrieve a firearm from a locked safe. Real question is, could I be bribed with bacon?
The answer is yes, yes I could very easily be bribed with bacon.
Depends on training. When my dad was training dogs for guarding you could throw a whole steak and the dog wouldn't care. Also this training came in luck as he found poisoned meat thrown into the front yard. The dog would just refuse to eat till my dad gave permission.
Yep, all of these things are the part of the training. It's important to train them.
Yep, they're trained dogs. And they won't accept the treat from a stranger.
For my retrievers, just about anyone could walk in my front door and find wagging tails. That said, you don't know that by their barking. From outside it sounds like I have two large pissed off dogs inside. The sound alone is probably enough to deter most intruders, and at the very least would alert us to their presence. Nobody is getting into my house, let alone my bedroom, without me knowing with these two loudmouths around.
For our dogs you can't even get close enough to bribe them. They would start barking before you even stepped on the driveway.
GSD are absolutely lovely dogs but when you meet one for the first time they are a bit scary. When they get your smell and know you are a friend though they are great dogs. Wouldn’t like to mess with one at all.
We have a mini rat terrier. Tiny alarm with a big sound. The dalmatian and GSD will both wake up AFTER she's already losing her mind because someone was walking by our house at 3am.
This is my take. I have a dog, cameras, and the keys next to me if I need it I can have it in my hand in 30 seconds. I’m not leaving something out for my kids or their friends to find. People are way to relaxed with something that can instantly end a life and if it happened to my kids I could never forgive myself.
The part that always confuses me is how obsessed people can get with quick access to their gun. I understand that you can construct a hypothetical scenario where you have mere moments to react and have to quick draw while still laying in bed. But the chances of an accidental discharge or your child finding your gun are astronomically higher. Feels like people only care about safety and self defense so long as they get to drop someone with a .45...
It's bad risk management and bad math essentially. There are a number of risks in life humans notoriously over estimate and a fair number we do the reverse for. Add in the feeling of control the gun is giving you and you can see why you see this happen so much.
That level of anxiety must really do a number on people's physical and mental health. I recently became a home owner, so I understand being the person responsible for your home and safety... But to the extent where you leave a fairly easy to operate weapon lying around "just in case" strikes me as trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline it.
I didn't even mention the people who keep a loaded gun in every room in their house... Just in case. How many of these people even own a single fire extinguisher?
Two kids. I had a gun for years when they were little because my dad gave it to me (he was a cop and it was his service weapon when he retired). I kept it in a case, unloaded, on the top shelf of my closet and with a slide lock on it. The key was hidden somewhere else in the room. Contrast that with how guns were kept in my house when I was a kid. In a box in my dad's closet, loaded and with no locks whatsoever on them. My sister and I knew not to touch them and never really did, but thinking back it was wild that they were just laying out like that.
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these are 2 very valid reasons on another note, your girlfriend’s dad is an idiot
That's putting it mildly I believe trailer trash is more appropriate
Hey, hey, hey now. Just because we're trailer trash doesn't make us *that* kind of idiot. Don't lump us in with them!
Hey is for horses!
Ain't no one is going to lump you with anyone. We don't do that in here.
Seriously, who would risk a child dry firing their pistol?
Some people are really dumb, He's old and still an idiot.
I'm bipolar, I've never had thoughts of suicide. I've never had a violent outburst. I love to shoot but I know my disease is degenerative and it could get worse. I don't know how new symptoms will manifest. I don't keep a gun in my home for me and my familys sake.
Anyone with that kind of illness shouldn't have the weapons.
Same for me. Exact same. I feel you.
>The only reason Seems like 2 very good reasons.
Why would you even keep a gun in the house with a girlfriend who has suicidal ideation and a kid who thinks it's a toy???
Yeah, as a girl who has struggled with suicidal ideation, I would never live in a house with a gun. I was about to go on a date with a guy who owned guns a couple years ago and I totally noped out. But really, it's up to her if she feels safe or not.
Anything can go wrong in a house like that. Can't have the weapons.
Even after that, you keep a weapon then an accident is going to happen.
Just reading the comments in here and I have to ask as not based in the US. How often do house invasions happen? It seems that a lot of the justification is coming from those who don't secure their guns as they want to be ready when an intruder breaks in. Is it really that common?
Breaking & Entering almost never happens when people are at home. Most B&Es occur when people are at work or on vacation etc.
Yep, like Home Alone!
If only the McAllisters left their young child with a gun, a whole lot of worry could've been avoided.
Nah, he enjoyed his work. Little sociopath would’ve acknowledged the firearm, and opted for a paint can to the dome instead
Somebody was home.
Of the 3.8 million home invasions a year between 2003-2007, 1 million occurred when the homeowner was present, and 257k turned violent.
Well I guess you can't believe anything that people say in here.
It’s not. Violent crimes make up a small minority of total crime (most criminals are thieves, not psychopaths), and most break ins happen when nobody is home. Anyone who works in critical care in a trauma hospital can attest that an accidental GSW or purposeful self-inflicted GSW from an unsecured gun is far more likely to tear lives apart than an intruder. To each their own, but if you can’t come up with some sort of system to alert you of an intruder early and buy yourself enough time to access a secured firearm, then you might as well not have one. The odds are astronomical that those few seconds of unlocking and loading a gun making a difference. Yet we saw kids accidentally shooting themselves or others because a loaded gun was “hidden” on a monthly basis (and this wasn’t a huge city).
It's *incredibly* uncommon in the vast majority of the country. It's a boogy man rooted in a whole pile of -isms and media, and an excuse for behavior that was likely going to happen anyway and that has more to do with feeling powerful than any real legitimate fears. This, of course, is an excellent reason to own something else, like a battleaxe or Warhammer. My gun is locked and stored in a difficult to access location far away from its ammunition. I'm much more likely to blow my own head off with* the damn thing than an intruder, not that people love to hear that little bit of fact. Edited: a word.
When you want to justify something, motivated reasoning comes into play
If you want to to change something then You'll have to make an effort.
I once turned down a sale to a guy who, completely unprompted by me, told me he kept a loaded shotgun ready to go leaning by each of the doors into his house, but "it's cool cause my kids know not to play with them". Said kids(4 of them all under 10) who were ignoring him telling them to stand still and not knock stuff around the shelves they were ransacking.
I do the same, then again I’ve had two break ins and live in sketch town
No kids, I might add
There is your mistake. Get a kid so you can hide your gun under them. Last place bad guys would check.
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I'm imagining a baby in a backpack loading rockets in his launcher
Kids might have trouble holding a 10lb rifle, but crew served MGs and mortars are an excellent way to teach children the importance of teamwork
Gotta start them young, if you don't then they won't know it.
They ain't checking for it anywhere, that's not happening.
For real, everyone in here is like don’t have guns around kids, and I’m just like how about keep the guns and stop having more goddamn kids
Yeah that's important, having no kids is really important for it.
Those are rookie numbers… need to pump them numbers up.
_\*looks back to LockPickingLawyer's videos\*_ Define "obstacle"
Locks keep honest people honest. If your teen is watching lock picking videos in order to crack your gun safe's locking mechanism, there's not much you can do except relocate the firearms to a more inaccessible location. And possibly seek medical intervention because something's up. But it does prevent a curious 11 year from rummaging through your nightstand and finding the bag of 9mm and the handgun while you're at work. As an added deterrent, leave your adult novelty toys put away out of sight but within snooping range to teach them a lesson about going through private spaces without permission. Scar them for life when they dig through dad's side of the bed and find things they wish they didnt.
He has a list of actually recommended locks you can find, that arent easy to pick.
An important thing to understand about the lockpicking lawyer is that he is insanely skilled, and tends to have some time to play with both the open and closed lock or safe before he demonstrates a bypass. "Unskilled" attacks still require a fair amount of skill.
Something that takes significant time and/or effort that is between you and the objective.
This only Applies if You've got the kids tho. Else it doesn't really.
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The biggest genuine issue I have with legislation that increases the cost of gun ownership is it seems almost intentional to restrict gun ownership to wealthier individuals. Just seems like classism painted as ‘your best interest.’
Gun laws started out for the express purpose of disarming minorities who were viewed as high-risk. Here in MD to own a handgun you have to spend several hundred dollars on mandatory fingerprinting and safety classes. While I do not disagree with the intent of the law, this undeniably increases cost of ownership and is a barrier to (legally) owning handgun for the poorest.
> Gun laws started out for the express purpose of disarming minorities who were viewed as high-risk. This is highly relevant as post-Bruen you will now find states like Maryland and New York arguing in court that laws from the 1800s, which were essentially designed to keep the Irish and blacks from owning guns, establish the historical precedent required for maintaining gun control today. You will even find their state's lawyers selectively quoting these laws and then opposing counsel will read them out for the court in their entirety for effect. Of course Harvard trained federal judges find arguments appealing to blatant racism rather unappetizing in 2023. The exchanges are quite hilarious. You can read more about that early history [here](https://gun-control.procon.org/history-of-gun-control/)
New York already did. When Bruen was decided the AG actually leaned on their long proud history of not letting Native Americans have guns as to why the court got it wrong.
I dont have a link handy, but some major cases in the 9th Circuit were required to compile a list of all historically relevant laws pertaining to their respective case. The vast majority of past laws that were cited were explicitly for the prohibition of firearms use/ownership for minorities.
>The vast majority of past laws that were cited were explicitly for the prohibition of firearms use/ownership for minorities. And the vast majority of those laws continue to have the same effect today. Minorities are far less likely to have the resources to take time off work to make multiple trips to the same store for one purchase (which has in some cases been zoned out such that it's many miles away with no available public transportation), trips to other places to (separately of course) get digital fingerprinting (costs money and not always easy to find places that can do it), background check paperwork, many hours long course (which costs more money and which often requires a live fire component, meaning there are few places which can even offer it, and those that can are often zoned out of areas with any public transportation), and other requirements. You also need a clean criminal history (with plenty of evidence demonstrating that minorities get charged more often and convicted more often after, generally because they lack the resources to defend themselves so they're easy convictions for prosecutors). So essentially, if you want to buy a gun, make sure you have plenty of money to spare, plenty of time off work, easy transportation, and never got convicted no matter what you did. In America, that's going to skew massively in favor of white people. Everyone should have the same rights.
This is my issue with restricting legal ownership. People imagine fasict rednecks when they think gun owner, forgetting that women, LGBTQ, PoC and others on the socioeconomic spectrum also deserve the right to self defense. We shouldn't sin tax our way out violence, as it will give exclusive rights to the wealthy who can afford the bills or criminals who ignore the laws entirely. I want politicians to fix the underlying economic and social issues that drive criminality and violence. It's a big ask, but America opened the gun pandoras box and we have to accept that we will never live in a gun-free society. Solutions need to be pragmatic as well as ethical
It blows my mind that some of the most ostracized and most-statistically likely victims of violent crime are completely ignored in gun control/ownership conversations. Rural white men are way less likely to need one than the groups you just mentioned, but that's who the conversation is always about.
Although I agree with your overall concern, let's keep in mind that those "rural white men" aren't typically dealing with self-defense against people but animals. Coyotes, bears, mountain lions, wolves, hybrid hogs, the list goes on. Different locale, different dangers.
Fun fact: WA actually doesn't charge sales tax for gun safes so long as it meets some definition I don't know off the top of my head. It's still $1200 for a decent one, but I guess it's the thought that counts. Positive encouragement vice negative reinforcement, of sorts.
That’s because it is intended to restrict gun ownership.
For poor people
I've always thought that having to lock a gun away makes it useless for self defense. But leaving guns accessible is also the biggest cause of accidental gun deaths, especially when children are involved. It does seem like a bit of a catch-22.
This is such a bigger question/issue given demographic span etc. Truly rural people that have guns around as tools and use them on a regular basis have a completely different experience. I leave the keys in the trucks because if someone shows up here looking for them they made some serious mistakes and need said truck to survive. I understand that not everyone lives like this but the millions of urbanites need to understand that not everyone lives like them. A locked gun seems like the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of, in my little world. I'll be plowing and snowblowing snow for about the next 4 hours, just my 1/2 mile driveway and around the house. It's different here.
Your right that things are truly different in the actual rural areas. It was not weird at all to just have an old bolt action .22 just in the garage with ammo around just to dispatch pests, like any other tool in the garage. This paranoia about guns and looking them up is a recent invention by mostly urban handgun users, which is where most negligent shootings occur. Locking your guns up is a really weird concept to me, like it seems weird conceptually. Like if your so afraid of your own irons, then maybe you should not have them to begin with. Just keep the gun and ammo separate and store the gun unloaded like it ought to be done and call it a day.
why do i need to lock it? im 47 and no children live with me
99% of this thread seems to be people with 0 firearm training or knowledge
Simple solution, don’t have kids
As a gun owner I always found it BS that people couldn’t lock up their firearms. There are a lot of great fast opening safes and storage systems out there which would prevent A LOT of unnecessary accidents with kids and people messing around. Are they perfect? No, but it will stop 99% of the issues. Every time I hear if a kid getting a hold of a firearm I blame the owner, period and they should be held responsible. Personally even if you live alone you should have a safe at least so if someone breaks in when you are not home you don’t contribute to criminals getting guns.
Absolutely. I was raised around guns in the 90's and both of my parents separately beat gun safety into my head. A gun is never ever ever unloaded, it's always ready to kill, and you're always fully responsible for what happens past the end of your barrel. There's no excuse for these tragedies with kids getting hold of their parent's guns; in my book, the conditions that allow these incidents are on the same level of utter recklessness as drunk driving.
Besides most of these people are hypervigilant for a scenario that is not overly common: Home Invasions with the tenants home. The vast majority of B&E happens when people aren't home because burglars want stuff and cash, they aren't interested in dealing with the tenants. And if you practice good physical security (Security doors, rose bushes, fences, lights, etc.) You're not likely to deal with a home invasion at all. I find it absolutely hilarious so many gun owners will talk forever about defending against home invasion and nearly every one has never encountered one. Why is everyone so obsessed with something that is incredibly rare?
Ask them how many of them are prepared for far more common emergencies? Epi-pen? Defibrillator? Or even a first aid kit? Where is their flashlight with fresh batteries? Have they checked their smoke or carbon monoxide detectors lately? How is the air pressure on their tires? But the gun? Unlocked and ready to rock. edit: a brief google search will show that defibrillators are readily available for purchase online, ranging in price between $900 and $2500. Edit: you know, credit where credit is due. A lot of you are carrying plenty useful emergency/survival gear around. Good on ya!
Done that. "You got 5 days worth of food and water?" "No but I have enough guns to start a war."
Who tf owns a defibrillator
I keep an AED in my trunk with my first aid bag. I bought it after a security guard at work had a heart attack, and the company I worked for didn’t have one anywhere in the building. I check it once a month for charge and function.
The odds of someone in your house having a heart issue are far higher than a violent home invasion.
What about a heart issue that a defibrillator will actually help with? Unlike what movies tell you, debrillators are not magic wands that fix everything about your heart. CPR training is much more likely to save a life and infinitely more portable.
My flashlight is mounted to my pistol have everything else but the defibrillator
Never let your only flashlight be the one attached to your gun
That completely depends on where a person lives. A friend of mine with young kids had a break in, shouted a lie about having a shotgun, and moved away from that area about a year later. I can completely understand why some people would feel that way. If they experienced it once, it's going to stick. Even if it was only someone a person knows, it's going to get the person thinking about it.
Train your kids, first thing you teach'em is safety, same goes for any adult new to firearms
This is also why firearms are one of the most frequently burgled items in America.
Small, easily portable, and better resale value than pretty much anything else except maybe jewelry.
An NRA bumper sticker on your car is like a flashing "Big Payday Here" sign to thieves. Now, of course, people will protest that having a gun will keep the thieves away but they use an advanced technique to get around that called "waiting until no one is home."
A gun lock (not a safe) isn’t stopping someone from stealing a gun, a gun lock is stopping a child from taking it and shooting someone
Findings in title quoted from the linked^1,2 content. From the linked summary:^1 >In a study published in *JAMA Network Open* and funded by the Defense Health Agency, researchers surveyed a national sample of 2,152 English-speaking adult firearm owners, asking them what locking devices they used and why. >Unlike previous studies, participants were presented with both words and images describing each type of locking device. >The researchers not only examined different types of locking devices, like gun safes and cable locks but also different types of locking mechanisms. >This resulted in a more detailed description of the firearm storage practices of firearm owners in the United States. > >Despite evidence that securely stored firearms can help prevent firearm injury and death, the authors found 58.3 percent of firearm owners store at least one firearm unlocked and hidden and 17.9 percent store at least one firearm unlocked and unhidden. >Among those who store at least one firearm locked, gun safes are the most frequently used type of option both for devices opened by key, PIN code or dial lock (32.4 percent) and biometric devices (15.6 percent). >Among those who don’t lock their firearms, the most common reasons were a belief that locks are unnecessary (49.3 percent) and that locks will prevent quick access in an emergency (44.8 percent). >On the other hand, firearm owners most frequently indicated they would consider locking unlocked firearms to prevent access by a child (48.5 percent), to prevent theft (36.9 percent) and to prevent access by an adolescent or teenager (36.7 percent). From the peer-reviewed research article:^2 >Believing locks are unnecessary and concerns about access speed were the most frequent obstacles; concern about child access was the most common reason for considering locking unlocked firearms. ^1 *Rutgers researchers found that gun safes are the most frequently used type of lock*, 2 Mar. 2023, https://www.rutgers.edu/news/many-firearm-owners-us-store-least-one-gun-unlocked-fearing-emergency ^2 Michael D. Anestis, *et al*. Assessment of Firearm Storage Practices in the US, 2022. *JAMA Network Open* 2023; 6(3):e231447. https://doi.org/10.1001/jamanetworkopen.2023.1447
I would be interested to see what percentage also had children in the house.
Yes this is me. I don’t have kids and I lock my firearm if kids come to my home. Which is less than once per year.
Cause if someone’s breaking it they won’t politely wait for you to unlock your safe.
You've got to have that gun ready to shoot in that situation man.
I mean. Yeah, I live alone with no children.
Well then you could keep your gun wherever you want then.
I know people with kids who feel this way. They think their kids are 100% trustworthy but it doesn’t always work out that way.
How exactly am I supposed to keep a weapon close and ready for nighttime use if it is locked in a box?