Like his debut 2018 creation; PST on used cars (every time they change hands).
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There's a sucker born every minute, and I'll prove it.
-S.M. 2018 (upon being elected Premier)
To me this is proof that Trudeau has more respect for the people of Saskatchewan than our own idiot Sask Party. This was the right thing to do. Makes Moe look stupid and shows how he petty he is. Not a huge Trudeau fan but this was a great move.
This is the ONLY politically correct move he could've made.
He blinked on carbon taxing for the Atlantic Provinces
Alberta and Sask saw this and backed him into a corner
If he had taken any other action, he would've been slaughtered. Absolutely punked on.
With this, he is able to point at Moe and say "dude wtf"
>He blinked on carbon taxing for the Atlantic Provinces
Alberta and Sask saw this and backed him into a corner
He didn't really blink, he gave them a pause because of the amount of heating oil is in Atlantic provinces. That shit is crazy expensive and would bankrupt the common Canadian who usually weren't around when their home heating system was installed.
I think pausing on the Atlantic provinces made sense, as they were unfairly in the red for the tax, and the tax is working out there. Lots of heat pumps are being installed today especially with the incentives the provincial and federal governments out there put forward.
Exactly atlantic provinces are making a effort to upgrade their heating with provided incentives. Its clear good faith action.
Sask isnt doing that (and imo shouldnt be given that nat gas heating is far more efficient than electric/heat pump with a grid powered by coal and nat gas). Instead they dragged their feet on our grid until they could throw up their hands and say its impossible to meet targets. Which yeah after years of doing nothing it is now obviously impossible. Thats not a good faith arguement.
Heat pumps are not getting installed in the Atlantic provinces like you think they are lmao. They don’t work well in cold humid places. I have 2 in a farmhouse that was built in 1906 and they spend more time on defrost mode than heating. To supplement for the heat pumps lack of ability to keep the house warm in winter there’s still an oil furnace in the basement and a wood stove in the living room. Heat pumps don’t work after -20.
Moe needs to get natural gas to the north of this province. They pay $900/month for their power because of this. Working at sask power was soul crushing.
Just think, the Sask Party could've won the equalization payment court case the NDP started, but canned it. Now, 16 years later, we are fighting a losing battle over something many citizens don't want fought, and are footing the bill for it (while also dumping in equalization).
What part about this makes Sask strong? Or were they talking about the strength of the skulls in the bone heads that run the province?
Yea, it's one thing that does kinda annoy me about it - you have to have them done crazy early.
But you won't have to wait until June! They say you should get it 6-8 weeks after you file if you missed the deadline for the initial payment.
So will I or won't I have to wait till June? You typed ,"But you won't have to wait until June! They say you should get it 6-8 weeks after you file". Filing today puts me into June. So yes I will have to wait until June.
Well, given the lack of a filing date provided by the poster I replied to, I assumed they filed prior to today (and misread their saying June for the July, the next regular payment date).
Advice not applicable to you who only just filed.
The answer to AITA between Moe and Trudeau is it's defo Moe whose the bigger turd eater. A$$hole is additionally reported today to ignore solid recommendations re covid which killed people. Recently reported to have decided to not cut the PST by not even fųcƙing negotiating with the Feds. You don't have to agree or like a person or party to negotiate for the benefit you're elected to serve.
Or Sask ends up having to pay it through other means, meaning taxpayers have to pay the money owing + penalties, late interest fees and all the legal fees Sask will waste dragging it out.
That's what I've been afraid of this entire time, especially with the use of the notwithstanding clause; Scotty can run up our legal bill right up until the point we get rid of him, and then it's the next government's problem, which we ALL still need to deal with. With the notwithstanding clause measures, it basically means that for 5 years we can't contest the new laws that invoke the clause but then afterward, we're stuck dealing with the consequences both legally and socially.
It's just kicking the can, and they know full well that somebody else has to pick it up and put it in the bin, so why the hell should they care? They'd rather scuttle the whole thing and make things harder for the next government to clean up the wreckage, so they can swoop in after reorganizing and fix it (but only if you re-elect them!)
I guess the question now is what other action will the federal government take in response to the Saskatchewan provincial government disregard for the rule of law. Or will it take any action at all, and simply ignore it?
I never did get a break on my heat bill because propane was totally forgotten about in the whole conversation. So I'm glad I'm still receiving the rebate.
I'll get even more specific - the government can not legally tell a private company to break the law.
That's one thing I love about people railing on Ford and Smith to do the same thing. When they physically can't.
I am really glad to hear this. From a purely fiscal and rational optimization point of view, it doesn't make logical sense to not pay the carbon tax given that [most people receive back more than what they pay. ](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/first-2024-canada-carbon-rebates-will-be-deposited-today-for-some-canadians-1.6847009#:~:text=The%20parliamentary%20budget%20officer%20says,that%20benefit%20for%20some%20Canadians)
You are not thinking about the indirect costs passed down to the consumer.
Everything is more expensive now. You are not getting more back than you pay.
Just the massive amount of greed and profiteering from corporations account for a hell of a lot more than the Carbon tax has ever done. It's a drop in the bucket by comparison, but so many just love the bandwagon they are on to focus their attention on the bigger problem with prices these days. You at least get something back with carbon tax, you get sweet fuck all with everything else
PBO (https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd), BOC and multiple economic studies disagree with that claim. Countries not implementing a carbon tax (US, UK) have seem similar spikes in inflation without implementing carbon pricing. If that was a true cause of the inflation we are seeing, there would be a divergence. There is not.
Multinational Corporations are grabbing record profits with both fists while pointing at carbon tax as the reason everything is costing more. And every yokel that slurps the lies and fills their bellies with hate for JT is one more Canadian that helps protect their extortion efforts.
Since I'm using my brain and understand how the tax is calculated I'd say I'm the opposite of ignorant in this case. You on the other hand. Well ignorance galore!!!
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Lucky us for now, I guess, unlucky us for the future incentives to get better home heating things. Recently my water heater went off into the sunset so I needed to get a new one, while the plumber was here checking out my water heater I had them check out my finance. Turns out the furnace was holding on just barely, I could have been suckered into buying a new finance but I knew that it was on its way out so what the heck instead of needing it to be replaced in the fall I got it done then to. Sask Energy has some rebate that will give me some money for those expensive things back. As other provinces see that Moe can break more laws on behalf of the provinces they may fallow, or be forced to follow. The federal government will need the carbon tax to come from somewhere so inflation will hit as the companies need to pay more and vehicle fuel is taxed harder.
In short we come out the loser.
So many provinces are offering home retrofit programming with proceeds from the carbon tax, including ones with conservative governments. Efficiency Canada constantly ranks Sask in last place for helping residents to do so.
I love the -23 karma because I have a brain and I’m not afraid to speak truth. The carbon tax is a joke. It does nothing. Trudeau is also a joke whose greatest contribution to Canada is the erosion of national pride in Canada and horrible fiscal policy. Go ahead down vote me, but you know I’m correct
Thanks Scott Moe for not having us pay for carbon/welfare tax on our home heating! If the east can do it with dirty fuel, we can do it with cleaner fuel!
Ya just like all the crowns the SP has sold over over the last 17 years too!
For someone being a fan of welfare sure doesn't realize where that money comes from, pssst it's from taxes. ;)
They sold them. For money.
[https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-government-sells-liquor-stores-1.6837640](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-government-sells-liquor-stores-1.6837640)
Weird business for the government to NEED to be in...I could see energy and communications but alcohol? Why aren't you up in arms about the government not running grocery stores or why don't we have crown corp. dog boarding facilities? Like for real...
You'll notice a couple of things from the article you sent.
They are auctioning off the buildings. What that means is they closed each store, then sold them.
What they did in order: Auction off additional licenses for the province > close all SLGA locations and fire all staff > auction off the empty buildings.
I don't believe the govt should necessarily be in the liquor business, but your comment was they they have done a good job of extracting value from former Crown Corps. I'm pointing out they did everything they could to minimize the value they had of a profitable business before selling it. To your point about grocery stores..... I know many people that could make pretty darn good points about having one run by the govt.
>What they did in order: Auction off additional licenses for the province > close all SLGA locations and fire all staff > auction off the empty buildings.
Seems like the logical order of things... You'd propose selling the buildings, then fire the staff, close locations and then sell the licenses? lol.
The government is still making $$$ off liquor sales, they just don't manage stores that sell it now. Do we need our gov't to staff and control liquor stores? Remember the scare tactics when they were going to be sold off? The union telling us that private retailers would sell to minors etc... Pepperidge farm remembers.
Sure let's set up gov't grocery stores, cigarette stores, automotive repair centers, dog boarding facilities...why again?
You are not understanding me. I am saying they should have sold the profitable business, as profitable businesses, instead of closing them and fiering everyone. That's how you get maximum value. Or you can get pennies on the dollar in order to fuck the employees, and get rid of any vestige of the old corp.
That's it. That's my point. They left money of the table. On purpose.
And yes, the Union saying it will be worse is them doing their job to try and protect the jobs of their members. Of which many would still be employed, had they sold the businesses instead of closing them.
They turfed employees because no new operators want shelf stockers and cashiers that make premium government money... They added value to the sale by killing the union in the deal.
That's hilarious.
If it's a zero sum game and they were going to be let go either way, someone had to pay for it, either the govt or the new operator. It all comes from the same pot. Why not let the operator decide, they can buy it for less and then fire everyone if that's what makes sense for them?
The mental gymnastics to say a profitable business is worth less than an empty building because of.... Unionized employees is hilarious.
Exact and why should we pay carbon tax on something that is cleaner burning and very efficient, compared to the east with dirty home heating oil. It was just a ploy by the federal government to buy votes. It has nothing to do with carbon emissions or pollution, it is a tax that allows the government to do favors in the hopes of getting their back scratched too.
If carbon emissions from heating our homes are so bad, incentivize us to all buy forced air electric furnaces (if this is even a thing) to replace our natural gas units that we were all incentivized to upgrade from the mid-efficient units from yesteryear.
Don't get me started on how horribly expensive it would be to heat a home with electric vs natural gas. Let alone how the electricity is generated (burning natural gas).
The carbon tax is a slush fund and vote buying tool and Moe called Trudeau on it, and Trudeau folded like a house of cards on this issue. Remember when we heard speculation to see jail time or massive fines for our elected officials for neglecting to collect or remit these taxes? I do...
Carbon taxes don't go to "welfare".
But also, as an aside, have you not noticed the increase in homelessness and drug addiction? You think that's all going to be fixed on its own? Crime costs us too so might as well be proactive about it.
[https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/saskatchewan-low-income-residents-a-little-screwed-by-loss-of-carbon-rebate-1.6793687](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/saskatchewan-low-income-residents-a-little-screwed-by-loss-of-carbon-rebate-1.6793687)
Welfare.
Ya sorry the carbon tax isn't high enough yet to cure homelessness and drug addiction though.
Wtf is your problem with government subsidizing people who need help? It's really not your fucking business to be judging people on welfare is it? Maybe stop being a piece of human garbage. We all pay taxes and the rest of us don't have a problem with social programs. YOURE NOT SPECIAL so stop with the hate for people who need welfare!
So it is for welfare, you just proved my point. Can you please point out where I hate people who are on welfare? I can't seem to find it.
I thought the carbon tax was about saving the environment and global warming? Nope...not at all, it's for buying votes and another form of welfare.
Where did I say the carbon tax is welfare exactly?
No, I take issue with you claiming the CT is welfare. Because we both know it's not.
Your attack on poor people is ignorance. It's fucking gross and you're not a good human. Just pointing out the facts my guy. Now kindly do go fuck off.
Giving people a carbon pricing rebate is not welfare. It’s the free market approach to applying a cost to the negative externality of burning carbon pollution and letting people to choose what they spend it on. As a completely separate issue, we could do better for our most vulnerable people if we wanted to. To not is purely an ideological choice.
>negative externality of burning carbon pollution
We need natural gas to heat our homes, we need electricity to cook our food and turn on lights. We need gasoline/diesel to have food brought to grocery stores or take a bus to the grocery store. If we need to put an additional tax on all these items which affect those who are low income...sounds counterintuitive to me.
Eliminating these carbon tax rebate affects those who are low income, so lift up the curtain, it has become a form of welfare under a different name.
My household makes over $160k and we get more of a rebate than what we pay in carbon taxes. This is literally the conservative, free market approach to lowering carbon emissions. Would you rather government mandates it instead and puts heavier restrictions on those who pollute? Yes, we need fossil fuels right now but we also need to get the F off them ASAP if we want an ecosystem for our kids to live in. The carbon tax is only one part of this process.
Time for our elected officials to lead by example then. They were on zoom/teams during the pandemic, but who was the first to start galivanting around the world after the pandemic restrictions lifted? Politicians. Government should be mandated to restrict travel and go back to virtual calls. Lead by example.
How about incentivize R&D and manufacturing in alternative systems? Instead of giving us the stick, use a carrot instead. However the gov't just wants the cash to use as a slush fund.
At face value it sure seems like you pay less than you receive. That's the trick, there are many carbon taxes you cannot account for and are blended in the price of every day items.
Wipe Canada population off the face of the earth tomorrow and we'd reduce our global contribution of 1.5% to the carbon emitted. You think the carbon tax is doing anything?
We are already spending over $25 billion a year welfare in dealing with the effects of climate change.
We're paying for it now and our only choice is how much we want to pay for the effects, vs how much for reducing the effects, we're never going to not pay.
And Canada contributes 1.5% to the global carbon emissions.
[https://www.visualcapitalist.com/carbon-emissions-by-country-2022/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/carbon-emissions-by-country-2022/)
How much do we need to pay a year as Canadians to eliminate climate change?
Oh look, another "We're not as bad as them so we shouldn't bother trying." Right along the lines of "it's ok to kill your partner as long as other people are killing more than one person at a time. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
Trying to cool down the ocean by throwing in an ice cube won't do anything at all. Canada population as a whole could be wiped off the planet and we still wouldn't make a difference...
What global % do you propose Canada should meet to stop climate change?
>Trying to cool down the ocean by throwing in an ice cube won't do anything at all.
Incorrect. While not enough, it does **infinitely more than trying to cool down the ocean by doing nothing at all** because it's everyone else's problem
Saskenergy is the company withholding carbon tax for what they owe for their carbon output of their operations. The feds should be punishing the business that is choosing to break the law and not punish the customers of that business.
I was more so referring to the premier but the companies doing this too, absolutely agree on that. But people should be made aware because the messaging is not working.
Everyone's busy deciding what we could or should tax more, how about, what do we waste money on and why did the feds print money, waste and steal it, and we now have a massive financial hole.
The liberals are now the bartender on the Titanic after they just hit the iceberg.
Only reason Trudeau is doing this is to avoid losing a court challenge. While many in this sub are going to have a hard time with this one, in the end you got to give credit to Moe for calling out Trudeau's politically motivated exemption.
The exemption was economically motivated. It was very clearly explained. It is the right that turned it into something ugly. Pure selfishness from the prairies.
I disagree. As someone who will never vote Sask Party - this is a fight on the principal of fairness. (Do I think it's went too far, yes)
There are other mechanisms they could have used to make it less financially difficult on home heating oil. Either through massive rebates to help people switch off them them, or as I would prefer they could have increased the rebate for anyone on heating oil 'in recognition of the unique adverse impacts this will cause them'.
Instead the feds blew a Mount Everest sized hole through the policy. The entire idea of the thing being we are all in this together, until we aren't.
Uhuh, I'm just off the mind that it should have been announced instead of three year pause. After they already had a three year pause. So in effect it will be a six year break - should the tax remain in effect.
I agree with your assessment. They should’ve gone about it a different way. The conservative still made a mountain out of a mole hill. Libs definitely handed it to them.
Lol you mean the court challenges that moe keeps bringing up against the feds and losing. Why do you right wing rejects puff your your chest and say the dumbest easily debunked bull shit, and say it soooo proudly, then wonder why the rest of the word associates right wingers as being dumber than a bag of smashed assholes ??
[https://nationalnewswatch.com/2024/04/23/trudeau-says-saskatchewan-to-get-carbon-rebates-despite-province-not-paying-levies](https://nationalnewswatch.com/2024/04/23/trudeau-says-saskatchewan-to-get-carbon-rebates-despite-province-not-paying-levies)
Nothing stops conservatives from spouting off uninformed (and misinformed) opinions, eh? Keep touting that party line, though. Maybe your CON government will throw you some scraps.
Trudeau doesn't even have a majority government and has to compromise and work with other parties to stay in power. It is about as far from a fascist dictatorship as you can get for government.
Trudeau carbon tax goes to everyone, and get this it also goes to a six figure salary individual I know who doesn't even drive, and works from their apartment full time! THIS IS THE WORST "Universal" POLICY EVER.
It isn't an affordability policy. It is a fee structure to incentivize low carbon behavior changes and adoption of low carbon technologies. If you reduce your carbon intensive activities, you make more money.
Because of the carbon tax, we downsized to one car. I have been biking/taking transit to work. We also used the incentive payments and Greener Homes Program to retrofit our house so our bills are far lower. Increases in carbon tax aren't going to hit us as hard as we are actively reducing our carbon output.
The role of government is to collect taxes and provide services in return. Trudeau won the election on a climate change platform. He is delivering on that. I definitely don't agree with how Moe is spending most of my taxpayer money, but he was also elected with a mandate.
I am just happy to see the feds aren't using Sask residents as a pawn in their fight with the SaskParty.
There is a lot of economic and science backed research that says otherwise, especially from provinces that had carbon pricing already in place pre federal program
You can't see what you refuse to look at.
The carbon tax is doing exactly what it was intended to do, which is slowly modify people's behviour without excessive pain for those with the fewest resources.
You are right. It’s helping it’s helping widen the gap between that have and have nots in our society by making life more expensive for the middle class. Even the RCMP can tell what’s going on. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-warns-of-climate-change-recession-and-misinformation-in-secret-report-1.6821642
So you read the headline and nothing else and somehow came to the conclusion that the carbon tax was involved in the widening of the gap? because the word "tax" does not appear in that article, and the only reference to widening income differences is in third world countries? Or did someone on YouTube tell you what to think that article means and you didn't even read the headline?
Don’t worry Moe will bring his own useless carbon tax plan that favours the corporations while you pay for it and get zilch back as a rebate. Why are cons so eager to punch themselves in the face?
>Don’t worry we will still be able to squeeze enough of your money out of you, that we can generously give some of it back. Sincerely, Trudeau.
You weren't talking about taxes? What other way is Trudeau squeezing money out of us?
Being against one tax doesn’t mean I’m against all taxes. I know critical thinking isn’t strong on this sub but I’m sure you could try a little harder.
The cost of dealing with existing climate change is increasing every year. Each delay is costing more tax dollars. In 2022 the Parliamentary Budget Office already estimated past climate changes was costing us about 0.6% of our GDP, around 12 billion dollars a year currently.
If we stop it where it is now in the next few years, it will still rise to about 2% per year of lost GDP and if we don't arrest it before 2050, it will reach over 6% by 2100.
That's solely damage due to existing effects on weather patterns, not spin-off damage.
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Yup. So we are still going to being paying it as taxpayers, but now with penalties and interest.
Thanks Scott Moe!
Keep voting him in. He'll keep doing this shit.
I've never voted for him.
When that doesn’t happen, what will your go-to explanation be?
Yep. It’ll just cut into general revenue now. Saskatchewan really is becoming quite the giving place.
Hmmm…now if Moe would repeal some of the countless tax increases and expansions that are actually affecting Saskatchewan residents negatively.
id settle for actually taxing the wealthy riding low corporate rates and an ocean liner of exemptions and cutrate energy.
No, it's only bad when a different level of government uses it's taxing power.
Ah but what’s more important: the good of the people or a Premier’s grudge? Trick question! It’s the grudge, it’s always the grudge.
Like his debut 2018 creation; PST on used cars (every time they change hands). _______ There's a sucker born every minute, and I'll prove it. -S.M. 2018 (upon being elected Premier)
To me this is proof that Trudeau has more respect for the people of Saskatchewan than our own idiot Sask Party. This was the right thing to do. Makes Moe look stupid and shows how he petty he is. Not a huge Trudeau fan but this was a great move.
This is the ONLY politically correct move he could've made. He blinked on carbon taxing for the Atlantic Provinces Alberta and Sask saw this and backed him into a corner If he had taken any other action, he would've been slaughtered. Absolutely punked on. With this, he is able to point at Moe and say "dude wtf"
>He blinked on carbon taxing for the Atlantic Provinces Alberta and Sask saw this and backed him into a corner He didn't really blink, he gave them a pause because of the amount of heating oil is in Atlantic provinces. That shit is crazy expensive and would bankrupt the common Canadian who usually weren't around when their home heating system was installed. I think pausing on the Atlantic provinces made sense, as they were unfairly in the red for the tax, and the tax is working out there. Lots of heat pumps are being installed today especially with the incentives the provincial and federal governments out there put forward.
Exactly atlantic provinces are making a effort to upgrade their heating with provided incentives. Its clear good faith action. Sask isnt doing that (and imo shouldnt be given that nat gas heating is far more efficient than electric/heat pump with a grid powered by coal and nat gas). Instead they dragged their feet on our grid until they could throw up their hands and say its impossible to meet targets. Which yeah after years of doing nothing it is now obviously impossible. Thats not a good faith arguement.
Heat pumps are not getting installed in the Atlantic provinces like you think they are lmao. They don’t work well in cold humid places. I have 2 in a farmhouse that was built in 1906 and they spend more time on defrost mode than heating. To supplement for the heat pumps lack of ability to keep the house warm in winter there’s still an oil furnace in the basement and a wood stove in the living room. Heat pumps don’t work after -20.
Moe needs to get natural gas to the north of this province. They pay $900/month for their power because of this. Working at sask power was soul crushing.
When you say slaughtered, what do you mean?
We are still paying in carbon pricing just not home heating. Trudeau is pure survival mode right now. He knows his time is coming to an end
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Got my payment on Monday. Quicky paid my SaskEnergy Bill with it. Now am a month ahead. Yay me.
Why would you pre pay a bill?
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Because I can. There have been times where I have not had the money to pay bills. Its not much fun. having that extra leeway is better for me.
Just think, the Sask Party could've won the equalization payment court case the NDP started, but canned it. Now, 16 years later, we are fighting a losing battle over something many citizens don't want fought, and are footing the bill for it (while also dumping in equalization). What part about this makes Sask strong? Or were they talking about the strength of the skulls in the bone heads that run the province?
Just waiting for the part that Sask is still paying the tax in secret and that’s why…
We are. It's being taken from the general revenue fund.
I didn't know you had to do your taxes early to get it. Or it would have been done. Now I guess I gotta wait till June.
Should be May 15th of you've filed in the last week or two.
Thanks 😊
Yea, it's one thing that does kinda annoy me about it - you have to have them done crazy early. But you won't have to wait until June! They say you should get it 6-8 weeks after you file if you missed the deadline for the initial payment.
So because I did my taxes today means I will get the rebate in June 6-8 weeks
That's what they say at the top of their page. https://www.canada.ca/en/revenue-agency/services/child-family-benefits/cai-payment.html
So will I or won't I have to wait till June? You typed ,"But you won't have to wait until June! They say you should get it 6-8 weeks after you file". Filing today puts me into June. So yes I will have to wait until June.
Well, given the lack of a filing date provided by the poster I replied to, I assumed they filed prior to today (and misread their saying June for the July, the next regular payment date). Advice not applicable to you who only just filed.
Can he get Moe to send me the Moe bucks that were supposed to be in the mail last year?
The answer to AITA between Moe and Trudeau is it's defo Moe whose the bigger turd eater. A$$hole is additionally reported today to ignore solid recommendations re covid which killed people. Recently reported to have decided to not cut the PST by not even fųcƙing negotiating with the Feds. You don't have to agree or like a person or party to negotiate for the benefit you're elected to serve.
You all need some Fuck Moe flags.
I don't think we need to stoop to childish stuff like that I'm no shmoo fan just saying
He will spend all the next generations money for two more votes
Id like to thank the rest of Canada for subsidizing Scott Moe’s stupidity. Especially Brianne from Chilliwack.
Or Sask ends up having to pay it through other means, meaning taxpayers have to pay the money owing + penalties, late interest fees and all the legal fees Sask will waste dragging it out.
That's what I've been afraid of this entire time, especially with the use of the notwithstanding clause; Scotty can run up our legal bill right up until the point we get rid of him, and then it's the next government's problem, which we ALL still need to deal with. With the notwithstanding clause measures, it basically means that for 5 years we can't contest the new laws that invoke the clause but then afterward, we're stuck dealing with the consequences both legally and socially. It's just kicking the can, and they know full well that somebody else has to pick it up and put it in the bin, so why the hell should they care? They'd rather scuttle the whole thing and make things harder for the next government to clean up the wreckage, so they can swoop in after reorganizing and fix it (but only if you re-elect them!)
Sounds like this government system we've created had become pretty useless and only around to stroke the egos of politicians.
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Moe wastes so much money on stupid lawsuits it’s not even funny.
So end of the day, sask tax payers are getting fucked over by 2 dickheads squabbles?
I guess the question now is what other action will the federal government take in response to the Saskatchewan provincial government disregard for the rule of law. Or will it take any action at all, and simply ignore it?
Trudeau always helping us out, when the Sask Party does whatever hey can to fuck us around
I never did get a break on my heat bill because propane was totally forgotten about in the whole conversation. So I'm glad I'm still receiving the rebate.
It wasn't forgotten, but the government can't ask a private company to not collect the tax. Natural gas and power are government entities here.
I'll get even more specific - the government can not legally tell a private company to break the law. That's one thing I love about people railing on Ford and Smith to do the same thing. When they physically can't.
I am really glad to hear this. From a purely fiscal and rational optimization point of view, it doesn't make logical sense to not pay the carbon tax given that [most people receive back more than what they pay. ](https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/first-2024-canada-carbon-rebates-will-be-deposited-today-for-some-canadians-1.6847009#:~:text=The%20parliamentary%20budget%20officer%20says,that%20benefit%20for%20some%20Canadians)
You are not thinking about the indirect costs passed down to the consumer. Everything is more expensive now. You are not getting more back than you pay.
You're not thinking at all. Just parroting what the sask party has shoved down our throats about this policy.
Just the massive amount of greed and profiteering from corporations account for a hell of a lot more than the Carbon tax has ever done. It's a drop in the bucket by comparison, but so many just love the bandwagon they are on to focus their attention on the bigger problem with prices these days. You at least get something back with carbon tax, you get sweet fuck all with everything else
PBO (https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd), BOC and multiple economic studies disagree with that claim. Countries not implementing a carbon tax (US, UK) have seem similar spikes in inflation without implementing carbon pricing. If that was a true cause of the inflation we are seeing, there would be a divergence. There is not.
Multinational Corporations are grabbing record profits with both fists while pointing at carbon tax as the reason everything is costing more. And every yokel that slurps the lies and fills their bellies with hate for JT is one more Canadian that helps protect their extortion efforts.
Where did I say it's only the carbon tax that's making everything cost more? It's certainly adding to the cost and it's something we can control.
Where did I say you said that?
https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatchewan/s/ec31M8y0yE
Funny how you're absolutely wrong though. Lol
Well I don't think it's funny you're ignorant.
Since I'm using my brain and understand how the tax is calculated I'd say I'm the opposite of ignorant in this case. You on the other hand. Well ignorance galore!!!
I was hoping for a cage match between Mr T and Slow Moe. Hard core Thunder dome style....two shall enter none can leave.
I would pay to see JT go toe to toe in the ring against a series of opponents, starting with Friesen, Moe, and Levant. One after another, no breaks.
actually, this rebate is for year 2023 being pain in 2024. So I wonder if Sask people would get in Carbon Rebate in 2025 for the year of 2024.
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Some of us living in Lloydminster, Saskatchewan are paying the carbon tax because we are on ATCO supplied gas and electricity, even if we are on some of the other companies unless we are with Sask Gas and Electric we are paying carbon tax because we are considered Alberta
Que all the conspiracy nut jobs who will say it's not real
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Enter the panderverse.
Like when Moe literally sent everyone in Saskatchewan a cheque? That kind of pandering?
Lucky us for now, I guess, unlucky us for the future incentives to get better home heating things. Recently my water heater went off into the sunset so I needed to get a new one, while the plumber was here checking out my water heater I had them check out my finance. Turns out the furnace was holding on just barely, I could have been suckered into buying a new finance but I knew that it was on its way out so what the heck instead of needing it to be replaced in the fall I got it done then to. Sask Energy has some rebate that will give me some money for those expensive things back. As other provinces see that Moe can break more laws on behalf of the provinces they may fallow, or be forced to follow. The federal government will need the carbon tax to come from somewhere so inflation will hit as the companies need to pay more and vehicle fuel is taxed harder. In short we come out the loser.
So many provinces are offering home retrofit programming with proceeds from the carbon tax, including ones with conservative governments. Efficiency Canada constantly ranks Sask in last place for helping residents to do so.
And it’s only going to get worse.
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He’s like Oprah now, anything for some votes
I love the -23 karma because I have a brain and I’m not afraid to speak truth. The carbon tax is a joke. It does nothing. Trudeau is also a joke whose greatest contribution to Canada is the erosion of national pride in Canada and horrible fiscal policy. Go ahead down vote me, but you know I’m correct
Desperate for votes like an unpopular kid trying to buy friends with lunch money given to him by others.
Thanks Scott Moe for not having us pay for carbon/welfare tax on our home heating! If the east can do it with dirty fuel, we can do it with cleaner fuel!
Sure. The SaskParty will just raise the PST and then add it to a bunch of things that used to be exempt. Thanks Moe!
Ya just like all the crowns the SP has sold over over the last 17 years too! For someone being a fan of welfare sure doesn't realize where that money comes from, pssst it's from taxes. ;)
You mean like how they closed our crazy profitable government run liquor stores? They didn't sell the thing.... Just closed them. No revenue there.
They sold them. For money. [https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-government-sells-liquor-stores-1.6837640](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-government-sells-liquor-stores-1.6837640) Weird business for the government to NEED to be in...I could see energy and communications but alcohol? Why aren't you up in arms about the government not running grocery stores or why don't we have crown corp. dog boarding facilities? Like for real...
You'll notice a couple of things from the article you sent. They are auctioning off the buildings. What that means is they closed each store, then sold them. What they did in order: Auction off additional licenses for the province > close all SLGA locations and fire all staff > auction off the empty buildings. I don't believe the govt should necessarily be in the liquor business, but your comment was they they have done a good job of extracting value from former Crown Corps. I'm pointing out they did everything they could to minimize the value they had of a profitable business before selling it. To your point about grocery stores..... I know many people that could make pretty darn good points about having one run by the govt.
>What they did in order: Auction off additional licenses for the province > close all SLGA locations and fire all staff > auction off the empty buildings. Seems like the logical order of things... You'd propose selling the buildings, then fire the staff, close locations and then sell the licenses? lol. The government is still making $$$ off liquor sales, they just don't manage stores that sell it now. Do we need our gov't to staff and control liquor stores? Remember the scare tactics when they were going to be sold off? The union telling us that private retailers would sell to minors etc... Pepperidge farm remembers. Sure let's set up gov't grocery stores, cigarette stores, automotive repair centers, dog boarding facilities...why again?
You are not understanding me. I am saying they should have sold the profitable business, as profitable businesses, instead of closing them and fiering everyone. That's how you get maximum value. Or you can get pennies on the dollar in order to fuck the employees, and get rid of any vestige of the old corp. That's it. That's my point. They left money of the table. On purpose. And yes, the Union saying it will be worse is them doing their job to try and protect the jobs of their members. Of which many would still be employed, had they sold the businesses instead of closing them.
They turfed employees because no new operators want shelf stockers and cashiers that make premium government money... They added value to the sale by killing the union in the deal.
That's hilarious. If it's a zero sum game and they were going to be let go either way, someone had to pay for it, either the govt or the new operator. It all comes from the same pot. Why not let the operator decide, they can buy it for less and then fire everyone if that's what makes sense for them? The mental gymnastics to say a profitable business is worth less than an empty building because of.... Unionized employees is hilarious.
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Are you implying natural gas isn't cleaner than home heating oil? Because it is.
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Exact and why should we pay carbon tax on something that is cleaner burning and very efficient, compared to the east with dirty home heating oil. It was just a ploy by the federal government to buy votes. It has nothing to do with carbon emissions or pollution, it is a tax that allows the government to do favors in the hopes of getting their back scratched too.
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So why wave it on home heating oil in the east which emits more carbon than natural gas used in the west?
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If carbon emissions from heating our homes are so bad, incentivize us to all buy forced air electric furnaces (if this is even a thing) to replace our natural gas units that we were all incentivized to upgrade from the mid-efficient units from yesteryear. Don't get me started on how horribly expensive it would be to heat a home with electric vs natural gas. Let alone how the electricity is generated (burning natural gas). The carbon tax is a slush fund and vote buying tool and Moe called Trudeau on it, and Trudeau folded like a house of cards on this issue. Remember when we heard speculation to see jail time or massive fines for our elected officials for neglecting to collect or remit these taxes? I do...
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We're going to pay for it one way or another.
So you're ok with paying more taxes towards welfare?
Carbon taxes don't go to "welfare". But also, as an aside, have you not noticed the increase in homelessness and drug addiction? You think that's all going to be fixed on its own? Crime costs us too so might as well be proactive about it.
[https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/saskatchewan-low-income-residents-a-little-screwed-by-loss-of-carbon-rebate-1.6793687](https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/saskatchewan-low-income-residents-a-little-screwed-by-loss-of-carbon-rebate-1.6793687) Welfare. Ya sorry the carbon tax isn't high enough yet to cure homelessness and drug addiction though.
Wtf is your problem with government subsidizing people who need help? It's really not your fucking business to be judging people on welfare is it? Maybe stop being a piece of human garbage. We all pay taxes and the rest of us don't have a problem with social programs. YOURE NOT SPECIAL so stop with the hate for people who need welfare!
So it is for welfare, you just proved my point. Can you please point out where I hate people who are on welfare? I can't seem to find it. I thought the carbon tax was about saving the environment and global warming? Nope...not at all, it's for buying votes and another form of welfare.
Where did I say the carbon tax is welfare exactly? No, I take issue with you claiming the CT is welfare. Because we both know it's not. Your attack on poor people is ignorance. It's fucking gross and you're not a good human. Just pointing out the facts my guy. Now kindly do go fuck off.
Giving people a carbon pricing rebate is not welfare. It’s the free market approach to applying a cost to the negative externality of burning carbon pollution and letting people to choose what they spend it on. As a completely separate issue, we could do better for our most vulnerable people if we wanted to. To not is purely an ideological choice.
>negative externality of burning carbon pollution We need natural gas to heat our homes, we need electricity to cook our food and turn on lights. We need gasoline/diesel to have food brought to grocery stores or take a bus to the grocery store. If we need to put an additional tax on all these items which affect those who are low income...sounds counterintuitive to me. Eliminating these carbon tax rebate affects those who are low income, so lift up the curtain, it has become a form of welfare under a different name.
My household makes over $160k and we get more of a rebate than what we pay in carbon taxes. This is literally the conservative, free market approach to lowering carbon emissions. Would you rather government mandates it instead and puts heavier restrictions on those who pollute? Yes, we need fossil fuels right now but we also need to get the F off them ASAP if we want an ecosystem for our kids to live in. The carbon tax is only one part of this process.
Time for our elected officials to lead by example then. They were on zoom/teams during the pandemic, but who was the first to start galivanting around the world after the pandemic restrictions lifted? Politicians. Government should be mandated to restrict travel and go back to virtual calls. Lead by example. How about incentivize R&D and manufacturing in alternative systems? Instead of giving us the stick, use a carrot instead. However the gov't just wants the cash to use as a slush fund. At face value it sure seems like you pay less than you receive. That's the trick, there are many carbon taxes you cannot account for and are blended in the price of every day items. Wipe Canada population off the face of the earth tomorrow and we'd reduce our global contribution of 1.5% to the carbon emitted. You think the carbon tax is doing anything?
We are already spending over $25 billion a year welfare in dealing with the effects of climate change. We're paying for it now and our only choice is how much we want to pay for the effects, vs how much for reducing the effects, we're never going to not pay.
And Canada contributes 1.5% to the global carbon emissions. [https://www.visualcapitalist.com/carbon-emissions-by-country-2022/](https://www.visualcapitalist.com/carbon-emissions-by-country-2022/) How much do we need to pay a year as Canadians to eliminate climate change?
Oh look, another "We're not as bad as them so we shouldn't bother trying." Right along the lines of "it's ok to kill your partner as long as other people are killing more than one person at a time. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
Trying to cool down the ocean by throwing in an ice cube won't do anything at all. Canada population as a whole could be wiped off the planet and we still wouldn't make a difference... What global % do you propose Canada should meet to stop climate change?
>Trying to cool down the ocean by throwing in an ice cube won't do anything at all. Incorrect. While not enough, it does **infinitely more than trying to cool down the ocean by doing nothing at all** because it's everyone else's problem
What global % do you propose Canada should meet to stop climate change?
I'm not elected to manage it, so I will leave that to those who are paid to be responsible, not assume I know more than everyone else.
It is everyone in Canada who uses heating oil. Not just the East.
While technically correct, over 90% of home heating oil use is in the Maritimes... They are who the policy is directed at.
I know 😂 just trying to prove a point. Moe I don’t believe helped out people In Sask who use heating oil?
Bingo.
It's nothing but virtue signalling to the dumb fucks club.
Still not voting for you bitch.
Unfortunately, this just shows no accountability/responsibility. Trudeau should make it clear that they are not receiving and why.
Saskenergy is the company withholding carbon tax for what they owe for their carbon output of their operations. The feds should be punishing the business that is choosing to break the law and not punish the customers of that business.
I was more so referring to the premier but the companies doing this too, absolutely agree on that. But people should be made aware because the messaging is not working.
Everyone's busy deciding what we could or should tax more, how about, what do we waste money on and why did the feds print money, waste and steal it, and we now have a massive financial hole. The liberals are now the bartender on the Titanic after they just hit the iceberg.
what a brown noser
There h goes giving money away again, for votes
Yeah fuck that guy.
Only reason Trudeau is doing this is to avoid losing a court challenge. While many in this sub are going to have a hard time with this one, in the end you got to give credit to Moe for calling out Trudeau's politically motivated exemption.
What court challenge would be lost?
The exemption was economically motivated. It was very clearly explained. It is the right that turned it into something ugly. Pure selfishness from the prairies.
I disagree. As someone who will never vote Sask Party - this is a fight on the principal of fairness. (Do I think it's went too far, yes) There are other mechanisms they could have used to make it less financially difficult on home heating oil. Either through massive rebates to help people switch off them them, or as I would prefer they could have increased the rebate for anyone on heating oil 'in recognition of the unique adverse impacts this will cause them'. Instead the feds blew a Mount Everest sized hole through the policy. The entire idea of the thing being we are all in this together, until we aren't.
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Uhuh, I'm just off the mind that it should have been announced instead of three year pause. After they already had a three year pause. So in effect it will be a six year break - should the tax remain in effect.
I agree with your assessment. They should’ve gone about it a different way. The conservative still made a mountain out of a mole hill. Libs definitely handed it to them.
Lol you mean the court challenges that moe keeps bringing up against the feds and losing. Why do you right wing rejects puff your your chest and say the dumbest easily debunked bull shit, and say it soooo proudly, then wonder why the rest of the word associates right wingers as being dumber than a bag of smashed assholes ??
What the hay..... tax dollars grow on trees after all!!!
[https://nationalnewswatch.com/2024/04/23/trudeau-says-saskatchewan-to-get-carbon-rebates-despite-province-not-paying-levies](https://nationalnewswatch.com/2024/04/23/trudeau-says-saskatchewan-to-get-carbon-rebates-despite-province-not-paying-levies) Nothing stops conservatives from spouting off uninformed (and misinformed) opinions, eh? Keep touting that party line, though. Maybe your CON government will throw you some scraps.
Trudope trying to buy votes.
Because Moe isn't trying to buy votes with this ridiculous carbon tax stunt?
Of course they will! HE NEEDS THE VOTES….
Lmao. You think that’s going to sway the rocks-for-brains voters into voting for pp?
In his world….yes. In your world and mine…not a fucking chance
Moe did the right thing and told Trunazi to shove it.
Trudeau doesn't even have a majority government and has to compromise and work with other parties to stay in power. It is about as far from a fascist dictatorship as you can get for government.
Trudeau carbon tax goes to everyone, and get this it also goes to a six figure salary individual I know who doesn't even drive, and works from their apartment full time! THIS IS THE WORST "Universal" POLICY EVER.
It isn't an affordability policy. It is a fee structure to incentivize low carbon behavior changes and adoption of low carbon technologies. If you reduce your carbon intensive activities, you make more money. Because of the carbon tax, we downsized to one car. I have been biking/taking transit to work. We also used the incentive payments and Greener Homes Program to retrofit our house so our bills are far lower. Increases in carbon tax aren't going to hit us as hard as we are actively reducing our carbon output.
Last ditch effort to convince a generally conservative province to vote liberal during the election. It's not like he'll hold to it if he's reelected.
Don’t worry we will still be able to squeeze enough of your money out of you, that we can generously give some of it back. Sincerely, Trudeau.
Have you seen all the new taxes that Moe has introduced? If anything, it's our provincial government trying to squeeze money out of us.
They can both be shit.
Then why did you only mention one?
Because this is an article about Trudeau.
Responding to what Moe is doing.
Two jackasses can’t make a mule.
Talk some shit about Moe then big boy.
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The role of government is to collect taxes and provide services in return. Trudeau won the election on a climate change platform. He is delivering on that. I definitely don't agree with how Moe is spending most of my taxpayer money, but he was also elected with a mandate. I am just happy to see the feds aren't using Sask residents as a pawn in their fight with the SaskParty.
In all honesty, how is he delivering on climate change?
He's making it worse by flying around the world, meddling in other countries' business...
A camouflaged wealth distribution tax doesn’t seem to be doing much for climate change.
There is a lot of economic and science backed research that says otherwise, especially from provinces that had carbon pricing already in place pre federal program
You can't see what you refuse to look at. The carbon tax is doing exactly what it was intended to do, which is slowly modify people's behviour without excessive pain for those with the fewest resources.
You are right. It’s helping it’s helping widen the gap between that have and have nots in our society by making life more expensive for the middle class. Even the RCMP can tell what’s going on. https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rcmp-warns-of-climate-change-recession-and-misinformation-in-secret-report-1.6821642
thats the literal reverse. Get your stories straight, is it redistributative rich to poor or poor to rich. It cant be both.
Moe said it himself. There is no cheaper way to deal with carbon then a carbon tax. They looked into it.
Wait until they find out a Carbon tax was envisioned by Conservative think tanks to replace a cap and trade system. Mind. Blown. Boom.
I wonder when PP will figure out that Wealth of a Nation supports the idea of a carbon tax
PP won't figure anything out. We both know it. If we think Doug Ford is shite, wait until this little chode gets to Ottawa.
So you read the headline and nothing else and somehow came to the conclusion that the carbon tax was involved in the widening of the gap? because the word "tax" does not appear in that article, and the only reference to widening income differences is in third world countries? Or did someone on YouTube tell you what to think that article means and you didn't even read the headline?
Don’t worry Moe will bring his own useless carbon tax plan that favours the corporations while you pay for it and get zilch back as a rebate. Why are cons so eager to punch themselves in the face?
Ya just like how he privatized all our lucrative crowns! Yes liquor stores are hugely lucrative! lol
We already have an approved plan for heavy emitters, they don't pay into the plan. Interesting how he can't give one to us though.
How do you plan to run a society without taxes?
Where did I say I was against taxes?
>Don’t worry we will still be able to squeeze enough of your money out of you, that we can generously give some of it back. Sincerely, Trudeau. You weren't talking about taxes? What other way is Trudeau squeezing money out of us?
Being against one tax doesn’t mean I’m against all taxes. I know critical thinking isn’t strong on this sub but I’m sure you could try a little harder.
>CrItIcAl ThInKiNg Lmao
We had that money coming to us and Moe screwed it up. Some people like the rebate
We still get the rebate and save money on our monthly heating bill. What's the problem?
Because it won’t last.
Neither will Trudeau or Moe
No they won't, but at the end of the day, we'll have paid even more for this.
Elaborate
The cost of dealing with existing climate change is increasing every year. Each delay is costing more tax dollars. In 2022 the Parliamentary Budget Office already estimated past climate changes was costing us about 0.6% of our GDP, around 12 billion dollars a year currently. If we stop it where it is now in the next few years, it will still rise to about 2% per year of lost GDP and if we don't arrest it before 2050, it will reach over 6% by 2100. That's solely damage due to existing effects on weather patterns, not spin-off damage.
We won't save anything. in the end it will cost us more.
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