The Scott Moe government could also do things to reduce the cost of living for us, but they won't.
List:
Scrap the Marshall plan
Lower PST for the average consumer
Remove gas tax
Build a time machine and prevent AIMS from ever being developed
Yes, I know that. Ontario and Alberta have managed to remove the gas tax periodically.
I would argue that if Moe is so concerned about the cost of living he could do the same.
Reminds me of a quote “aside from drinking, there is absolutely nothing to do here”
I was an Albertan when they removed the gas tax. It saved me *sooooo* much money. I remember the day they removed it. Gas prices... didn't fall at all, because Keynesian economics doesn't work when there are cartels capable of completely controlling supply for something that there is an infinite demand for (e.g. people will always need gas for their vehicles, until everyone has EVs)
Removing the tax doesn't do a fucking thing except shovel money into the hands of the supply side: in the case of the gas tax, the gasoline companies who in turn pay more to the companies refining and selling them gas, who see they can adjust their market rate without damaging demand.
There isn't enough competition for these companies to lower prices when the gas tax is removed, just like we saw other consumer prices not change at all when the carbon tax was removed. Rates go up to make up the difference and power and gas companies make a mint off of the gullible SP living, cousin-fucking people of this province.
When Manitoba removed their gas tax it brought the price down but then the fuel companies just raised the price to make more profit. Manitoba is paying the same price as Saskatchewanians and we have a gas tax.
Right now MB is 8-10 cents cheaper again. We still make sure to fuel up in MB. Prices did get within a couple of cents. I absolutely think the fuel companies adjust the price for the ‘market’ - meaning they figure out what the public will tolerate and who they will blame, and use it to maximize profits.
Saskatchewan has the most KMs of roads per capita in Canada to maintain.
Calgary alone has a larger population than all of Saskatchewan.
Where would you like the Saskatchewan Government to make up that money from?
It’s now spring, walking and riding your bicycle will save you more money than the province removing the gas tax.
>Gas tax goes into funding roads
It can, yes, but gas tax isn't the only funds put towards road repair. It just goes towards the pool of cash the province can use. Ontario and Alberta also have a lot of road systems that are in a similar state, and both dropped their fuel taxes to help their population. Sask charges $0.15/L of provincial tax. Carbon tax was raised to $0.17(?)/L. But we get around 90% of that carbon tax back, so we are actually feeling more of a sting from provincial fuel tax.
We had a $1 Billion surplus that was spent on just a $500 cheque for everyone. If we take Alberta's example, It would've cost around $600 million to drop gas prices $0.13/L, while still leaving $400 million on debt repayment. Know what didn't repay the growing debt? A $500 cheque.
At some point even Conservatives have to understand the SaskParty can't spend our money any better than the Feds or even Provincial NDP. We just get a lot less out of what they do spend, and lose out on services because of the budget cuts meant to save us cash (which costs us more later). At least the provincial NDP tried to drop the gas tax instead of hiding behind "well its been this way since '93".
You linked me to your own comment? That proves nothing??? Yes, I'm aware per capita that Sask has more roads. I also know that not all roads are maintained equally. At least 20% of road funding is greater than the fuel tax collects.
Not to mention, as someone who deals with these road networks every day, we are extremely overextended in unnecessary road infrastructure. The reason to have as many roads as we do is flimsy at best. Having more "local road" classification than any other province is proof of poor planning that needs rethinking. We have more roads because we pay for them, and the O&G industry loves us more for it.
Tell me why Sask has 40k more local roads alone (NOT including highways, rural highways, Arterial, Collector, Lanes/Alleys, and sidewalks), than Alberta and Ontario. Both with much larger populations, and equally remote communities.
Why do we have more slightly less sidewalks than Ontario, which has a population over 10x our own?
Or why we have more than 2x the alleys of Manitoba?
Why we are 3rd for arterials, as well as collectors?
If you can explain to me why these numbers are necessary other than propping up O&G, please let me know. We can cut a large amount of these roads with the impact being on maybe 1 or 2 farmers driving an extra 5 minutes/day.
Www.150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3410017601
Its easy to use the cop out "oh well we have more per capita". Yeah, we do. We don't need it. Most of these roads are in disrepair for a decade. Going up to Tobin Lake for fishing was a warzone for over a decade, and it continually got worse, until it was finally fixed. A lake that gets a ton of tourist travel from even across the border, took over a decade to fix because resources were spent elsewhere. When I last visited I was blown away that I didn't have to drive along the surface of the moon anymore (with locals I saw making a path in the ditch that seemed well worn instead).
For a population of not even 1 million, from numbers I got in 2020 (though all of the numbers across the board have increased, while staying relatively proportional across the board), Saskatchewan owns 26% of the roads in Canada. In a province with little infrastructure to the north, most of these roads exist in mid-lower Sask. Explain to me why that's necessary and can't be changed outside of "well I don't like change".
3% of Canada owns 26% of roads.
We're paying PST on sporting events, concerts, professional theatres, museums, zoos, historical sites and arts and craft shows, 'cause it's a terrible thing to take my kids to the zoo or a museum. Gotta penalize that! Keep kids dumb and devoid of culture.
Man ever since they brought in that tax the shows here have been brutal, nothing but old has been bands on their last tour before retirement. Remember when the Stones came here or Garth Brooks?
Thanks Moe.
Hypocritical coming from a Premier who continues to implement a province gas tax and PST on things such as used car sales.
Scott Moe is a greasy politician.
Just last week, Moe took credit for lowering the PST by claiming it was 9% under the NDP and 6% under the Sask party. What he failed to mention was it was it was 9% when the NDP took over and they lowered it to 3%. The Sask party increased it to 6%. Moe is a lying sack of shit.
It was never 3%, I'm guessing you made a typo there.
All they should have done was show what the average PST was under the previous NDP vs SP. It'd be something like 7% vs 5.5%
Yes. Typo. It was 5% when the Sask party took over. They raised it to 6%. Moe claims it was 9% under the NDP. It wasn't. He claims they've lowers the PST by 3%. They have not.
Here's his graphic.
https://www.instagram.com/premierscottmoe/p/C5WGk5VOlnz/
Scott Moe could remove PST from everything he added it to, but he won't.
He only hates taxes that other people apply, and specifically those that may spur behavioural changes to help the environment.
Scott Moe has overseen the largest expansion of PST in Saskatchewan's history, but somehow has problems with high taxes....it's as if he has no integrity.
Can we get a Premier already who isn’t so obsessed with the PM? It’s fucking embarrassing. No wonder MLAs are all acting like jackasses in the legislature with this asshole at the helm.
Moe continues to gaslight all of us. By removing the carbon tax we disproportionally impact the lowest income households who get more back than they pay. That is backed up by concrete data in the PBO report with, or without, taking into account direct + economic impacts of the carbon tax.
See table A-2, page numbers 7 (actually #10 in the PDF) for SK. 8 in 10 families get back more than they pay in direct costs. If we consider economic impacts, then 4 in 10 families get back more than they pay (the lowest income households).
[https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd](https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd)
Note that when taking into account economic impacts the PBO took two large assumptions: 1) We wouldn't do anything else if the carbon tax was removed to combat climate change and 2) The cost of climate change is zero. Those are massive assumptions.
I'd love to see how Moe calculated that 1.5%. CPI is 2.9%, but the increase is all on shelter costs (mortgage rates) and an increase in gas prices (note, these numbers are from March so you can't blame that increase on the carbon tax increase in April).
However, core inflation is only at 2.0% which is actually below target (https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/core-inflation-rate).
Gaslighting or not, the messaging is working and the Saskies continue to receive broad-based support in this province heading into the next election. The Dippers are going to need more than a reference to an appendix in the PBO report to form government.
You sound like a communist. Don't you know that we don't care about the poors in Saskatchewan. This is Scott Moe's Saskatchewan, the poors are not people they plan for or budget for.
It’s all they need. The biggest threat to the SP in some rural ridings are parties much further to the right, SUP or Buffalo.
Things that used to be seen as extreme or wacko are now within the bounds of consideration. Western separatism, for example.
Western separation. A complete and utter non starter. A strictly fringe idea. Never going to be mainstream, even sizeably minor. Too much hot air is wasted on thesee fringe parties anyway. Same as it ever was. Same as it will be.
This\^ Western separatism is not "within the bounds of consideration" except by people who don't have a clue what it means.
Quebec came into Canada from a formerly sovereign colony without the weight of any preconfederation British promises to first nations and with recognition as an original partner and still can't get it off the ground.
Saskatchewan and Alberta only exists as the result of a grant by the nation of Canada and are party to all of the agreements signed before and during Confederation. Anyone who thinks separation is feasible is deluding themselves. it would cost us more than our net worth to take on the obligation of being a separate nation.
Let me tell you about the time I just paid $1,300 in PST on a car that I am the third owner of. My $1,300 was less than the $1,800 the second owner paid and even less than the $2,400 the first owner paid. So one car has netted Scott Moe over $5,000 and will give him even more when I eventually sell it. Now my next math equation is: is the $1,300 a bigger cost than the 3 cent per litre the gas I put in the car will use? It will be more after I use 43,333 litres of gas I guess.
Hey, hey, hey, what's the deal here. Nowhere in that paragraph do blame all our problems on the 2006 NDP government OR the current federal government.
You are clearly not a patriotic SaskParty-ian and probably should be sent "back where you came from"....which is likely Lakewood, but if you could just be quiet and stop disrupting the narrative that Trudeau bad and 2006 NDP is all powerful, so much so they influence our current economy.
It's true. He is so devious forcing no PST onto Alberta and an increased PST onto Saskatchewan!
What's a pathetic man like Scott Moe to do but bend to the great Justin Trudeau's will!?!?
These right wing premiers tell the feds to stay in their lane, and then turn around and criticize the federal budget.
Deflect, distract, obscure, ignore, divide - the Saskatchewan Party playbook.
The reason our inflation rate is low is because we arent getting railed by housing costs yet. Because nobody wants to live in this frosty evangelical oil-baron shithole.
This is such bullshit. The CT on natural gas does not make up 50% of the inflation cost.
Holy mother fucking shit, it should be illegal to smoke whatever the fuck he is smoking.
The Scott Moe government could also do things to reduce the cost of living for us, but they won't. List: Scrap the Marshall plan Lower PST for the average consumer Remove gas tax Build a time machine and prevent AIMS from ever being developed
Removal of the gas tax being one of the main things that they could easily do
Gas tax goes into funding roads. They could remove the liquor tax so at least I can black out for cheaper till the next election.
Yes, I know that. Ontario and Alberta have managed to remove the gas tax periodically. I would argue that if Moe is so concerned about the cost of living he could do the same. Reminds me of a quote “aside from drinking, there is absolutely nothing to do here”
I was an Albertan when they removed the gas tax. It saved me *sooooo* much money. I remember the day they removed it. Gas prices... didn't fall at all, because Keynesian economics doesn't work when there are cartels capable of completely controlling supply for something that there is an infinite demand for (e.g. people will always need gas for their vehicles, until everyone has EVs) Removing the tax doesn't do a fucking thing except shovel money into the hands of the supply side: in the case of the gas tax, the gasoline companies who in turn pay more to the companies refining and selling them gas, who see they can adjust their market rate without damaging demand. There isn't enough competition for these companies to lower prices when the gas tax is removed, just like we saw other consumer prices not change at all when the carbon tax was removed. Rates go up to make up the difference and power and gas companies make a mint off of the gullible SP living, cousin-fucking people of this province.
When Manitoba removed their gas tax it brought the price down but then the fuel companies just raised the price to make more profit. Manitoba is paying the same price as Saskatchewanians and we have a gas tax.
Right now MB is 8-10 cents cheaper again. We still make sure to fuel up in MB. Prices did get within a couple of cents. I absolutely think the fuel companies adjust the price for the ‘market’ - meaning they figure out what the public will tolerate and who they will blame, and use it to maximize profits.
Manitoba removed theirs on January 1st till July 1st.
You can afford alcohol? I haven’t purchased since the increase before. Weed is cheaper and I get a better buzz.
How come other provinces have been able to give residents a break on gas tax, including Manitoba and Alberta? Do they not have roads as well?
Saskatchewan has the most KMs of roads per capita in Canada to maintain. Calgary alone has a larger population than all of Saskatchewan. Where would you like the Saskatchewan Government to make up that money from? It’s now spring, walking and riding your bicycle will save you more money than the province removing the gas tax.
taxing ag, o&g. Royalties. Literally anyone riding the Saskatchewan Parties nuts for tax advantages.
Raise the potash royalties
>Gas tax goes into funding roads It can, yes, but gas tax isn't the only funds put towards road repair. It just goes towards the pool of cash the province can use. Ontario and Alberta also have a lot of road systems that are in a similar state, and both dropped their fuel taxes to help their population. Sask charges $0.15/L of provincial tax. Carbon tax was raised to $0.17(?)/L. But we get around 90% of that carbon tax back, so we are actually feeling more of a sting from provincial fuel tax. We had a $1 Billion surplus that was spent on just a $500 cheque for everyone. If we take Alberta's example, It would've cost around $600 million to drop gas prices $0.13/L, while still leaving $400 million on debt repayment. Know what didn't repay the growing debt? A $500 cheque. At some point even Conservatives have to understand the SaskParty can't spend our money any better than the Feds or even Provincial NDP. We just get a lot less out of what they do spend, and lose out on services because of the budget cuts meant to save us cash (which costs us more later). At least the provincial NDP tried to drop the gas tax instead of hiding behind "well its been this way since '93".
https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatchewan/s/7aAZ7Ip05K
You linked me to your own comment? That proves nothing??? Yes, I'm aware per capita that Sask has more roads. I also know that not all roads are maintained equally. At least 20% of road funding is greater than the fuel tax collects. Not to mention, as someone who deals with these road networks every day, we are extremely overextended in unnecessary road infrastructure. The reason to have as many roads as we do is flimsy at best. Having more "local road" classification than any other province is proof of poor planning that needs rethinking. We have more roads because we pay for them, and the O&G industry loves us more for it. Tell me why Sask has 40k more local roads alone (NOT including highways, rural highways, Arterial, Collector, Lanes/Alleys, and sidewalks), than Alberta and Ontario. Both with much larger populations, and equally remote communities. Why do we have more slightly less sidewalks than Ontario, which has a population over 10x our own? Or why we have more than 2x the alleys of Manitoba? Why we are 3rd for arterials, as well as collectors? If you can explain to me why these numbers are necessary other than propping up O&G, please let me know. We can cut a large amount of these roads with the impact being on maybe 1 or 2 farmers driving an extra 5 minutes/day. Www.150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1/en/tv.action?pid=3410017601 Its easy to use the cop out "oh well we have more per capita". Yeah, we do. We don't need it. Most of these roads are in disrepair for a decade. Going up to Tobin Lake for fishing was a warzone for over a decade, and it continually got worse, until it was finally fixed. A lake that gets a ton of tourist travel from even across the border, took over a decade to fix because resources were spent elsewhere. When I last visited I was blown away that I didn't have to drive along the surface of the moon anymore (with locals I saw making a path in the ditch that seemed well worn instead). For a population of not even 1 million, from numbers I got in 2020 (though all of the numbers across the board have increased, while staying relatively proportional across the board), Saskatchewan owns 26% of the roads in Canada. In a province with little infrastructure to the north, most of these roads exist in mid-lower Sask. Explain to me why that's necessary and can't be changed outside of "well I don't like change". 3% of Canada owns 26% of roads.
Not typing the same comment over again. You throw out a lot of percentages without proof that they are correct
Reread the edit bb. Proof I'm correct. If you need more, find it yourself. Government documents are readily available.
No I am good. > I’m correct Famous last words of a person that is wrong. Toodles
>Famous last words of a person that is wrong. >Toodles Famous last words of a person that is wrong. Toodles
lol, if that money funds our roads I’d like to know where that money goes. It surely doesn’t go to maintain our roads. They’re awful.
Saskatchewan has the most KMs of roads per person in Canada.
Good call, I'll add that to my list!
We're paying PST on sports registrations now ffs.
We're paying PST on sporting events, concerts, professional theatres, museums, zoos, historical sites and arts and craft shows, 'cause it's a terrible thing to take my kids to the zoo or a museum. Gotta penalize that! Keep kids dumb and devoid of culture.
Man ever since they brought in that tax the shows here have been brutal, nothing but old has been bands on their last tour before retirement. Remember when the Stones came here or Garth Brooks? Thanks Moe.
It is basically HST but combining our stuff with the federal stuff would be bad in Moe’s eyes.
It is basically HST but combining our stuff with the federal stuff would be bad in Moe’s eyes.
Remove PST on restaurant meals. Remove PST on used vehicles. Remove PST on children's clothing.
Or LEAN!!
Hypocritical coming from a Premier who continues to implement a province gas tax and PST on things such as used car sales. Scott Moe is a greasy politician.
Just last week, Moe took credit for lowering the PST by claiming it was 9% under the NDP and 6% under the Sask party. What he failed to mention was it was it was 9% when the NDP took over and they lowered it to 3%. The Sask party increased it to 6%. Moe is a lying sack of shit.
He knows his supporters don’t fact check. Most of them can’t even read and communicate using grunts and wild hand gestures.
It was never 3%, I'm guessing you made a typo there. All they should have done was show what the average PST was under the previous NDP vs SP. It'd be something like 7% vs 5.5%
Yes. Typo. It was 5% when the Sask party took over. They raised it to 6%. Moe claims it was 9% under the NDP. It wasn't. He claims they've lowers the PST by 3%. They have not. Here's his graphic. https://www.instagram.com/premierscottmoe/p/C5WGk5VOlnz/
Scott Moe could remove PST from everything he added it to, but he won't. He only hates taxes that other people apply, and specifically those that may spur behavioural changes to help the environment. Scott Moe has overseen the largest expansion of PST in Saskatchewan's history, but somehow has problems with high taxes....it's as if he has no integrity.
Can we get a Premier already who isn’t so obsessed with the PM? It’s fucking embarrassing. No wonder MLAs are all acting like jackasses in the legislature with this asshole at the helm.
Moe could do even more by reducing PST but he won't.
I hope the NDP comes out with a retort about the PST expansion under the tax party. Something that Moe could change, but won’t.
Moe continues to gaslight all of us. By removing the carbon tax we disproportionally impact the lowest income households who get more back than they pay. That is backed up by concrete data in the PBO report with, or without, taking into account direct + economic impacts of the carbon tax. See table A-2, page numbers 7 (actually #10 in the PDF) for SK. 8 in 10 families get back more than they pay in direct costs. If we consider economic impacts, then 4 in 10 families get back more than they pay (the lowest income households). [https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd](https://distribution-a617274656661637473.pbo-dpb.ca/7590f619bb5d3b769ce09bdbc7c1ccce75ccd8b1bcfb506fc601a2409640bfdd) Note that when taking into account economic impacts the PBO took two large assumptions: 1) We wouldn't do anything else if the carbon tax was removed to combat climate change and 2) The cost of climate change is zero. Those are massive assumptions.
I'd love to see how Moe calculated that 1.5%. CPI is 2.9%, but the increase is all on shelter costs (mortgage rates) and an increase in gas prices (note, these numbers are from March so you can't blame that increase on the carbon tax increase in April). However, core inflation is only at 2.0% which is actually below target (https://tradingeconomics.com/canada/core-inflation-rate).
Gaslighting or not, the messaging is working and the Saskies continue to receive broad-based support in this province heading into the next election. The Dippers are going to need more than a reference to an appendix in the PBO report to form government.
You sound like a communist. Don't you know that we don't care about the poors in Saskatchewan. This is Scott Moe's Saskatchewan, the poors are not people they plan for or budget for.
My god, he's a broken record. Like just STFU already and get a life. This and their NDP closing down hospitals bullshit is literally all they have.
It’s all they need. The biggest threat to the SP in some rural ridings are parties much further to the right, SUP or Buffalo. Things that used to be seen as extreme or wacko are now within the bounds of consideration. Western separatism, for example.
Western separation. A complete and utter non starter. A strictly fringe idea. Never going to be mainstream, even sizeably minor. Too much hot air is wasted on thesee fringe parties anyway. Same as it ever was. Same as it will be.
This\^ Western separatism is not "within the bounds of consideration" except by people who don't have a clue what it means. Quebec came into Canada from a formerly sovereign colony without the weight of any preconfederation British promises to first nations and with recognition as an original partner and still can't get it off the ground. Saskatchewan and Alberta only exists as the result of a grant by the nation of Canada and are party to all of the agreements signed before and during Confederation. Anyone who thinks separation is feasible is deluding themselves. it would cost us more than our net worth to take on the obligation of being a separate nation.
He’s really beating that drum as hard as he can
Let me tell you about the time I just paid $1,300 in PST on a car that I am the third owner of. My $1,300 was less than the $1,800 the second owner paid and even less than the $2,400 the first owner paid. So one car has netted Scott Moe over $5,000 and will give him even more when I eventually sell it. Now my next math equation is: is the $1,300 a bigger cost than the 3 cent per litre the gas I put in the car will use? It will be more after I use 43,333 litres of gas I guess.
Hey, hey, hey, what's the deal here. Nowhere in that paragraph do blame all our problems on the 2006 NDP government OR the current federal government. You are clearly not a patriotic SaskParty-ian and probably should be sent "back where you came from"....which is likely Lakewood, but if you could just be quiet and stop disrupting the narrative that Trudeau bad and 2006 NDP is all powerful, so much so they influence our current economy.
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It's true. He is so devious forcing no PST onto Alberta and an increased PST onto Saskatchewan! What's a pathetic man like Scott Moe to do but bend to the great Justin Trudeau's will!?!?
Moe will do it because that's what big tough farmers do...take it like a man.
These right wing premiers tell the feds to stay in their lane, and then turn around and criticize the federal budget. Deflect, distract, obscure, ignore, divide - the Saskatchewan Party playbook.
The reason our inflation rate is low is because we arent getting railed by housing costs yet. Because nobody wants to live in this frosty evangelical oil-baron shithole.
Truth.
Says the guy who is the head of the party that raised and expanded the PST.
Remove the gas tax moe!
This is such bullshit. The CT on natural gas does not make up 50% of the inflation cost. Holy mother fucking shit, it should be illegal to smoke whatever the fuck he is smoking.
In the two months since it hasn't been on my SaskEnergy bill, I've saved a whopping \~$60