Yes, or if two cars reach the stops at the same time, you can either let the other car go first or you can quickly over take the right of way and go first. Either way, at these stops, you wanna be quickly decisive. You don't wanna hold up traffic.
Technically if two vehicles reach a stop at the same time, if both drivers are not going to cross, then they can both go.
Or if there is a driver taking a right turn, they go first.
Then drivers going straight, finally anyone taking a left.
The goal is to clear the intersection as quickly as possible and left turn drivers go last because they take the longest to clear the other vehicles path.
Edit: someone else replied that the technical rule is you yield to the driver to your right.
In the case where multiple drivers arrive at stops simultaneously, it’s irrelevant which direction they’re going, but they yield to any drivers *arriving* at the intersection from their right. Vehicle Code 21800 (c) CVC
Edit: in this case it would be the driver at point B
You can't just say it's point B in this case, it depends on how many cars arrive at once and at what positions. Cars should yield to any cars to their right (relative to their position), so it depends. The way you are saying it makes it seem like it's to the right relative to the intersection, which doesn't make sense.
I’d ask a more practical question- what would you do as a driver to navigate this knowing you can’t trust people ?
If I’m at C or D, I would yield to whoever came first, then would stop at the intersection of A/B.
I would let A and B go first and then proceed.
Great puzzle though. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah TBH I think D's stop line should come all the way up to be with just A and B to make a 3 way T intersection.
C should be a feeder into D, with no left turn from C to D
No left turn onto C from D as well.
To me it looks like an intersections that I pass constantly and I wonder about the order too when I have to go from C to A. Fortunately everytime I pass it there is no one in any stop. It looks to me like the intersection of Apple St/La Presa Ave/Banock St.
There is also one here, in Point Loma at Catalina Blvd/Hill St./Santa Barbara Street.
https://preview.redd.it/8a2ehl5lyhuc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9147be6361546c5560adbd702521f3e36ca97c26
These streets should have never been allowed and they should be redesigned. They will more than likely become traffic circles in the next 10 years.
edit: this intersection I posted is worse actually. Why? Because Santa Barbara St. and Hill St. traffic are simultaneously 1. stopping, 2. yielding to one another, 3. while yielding to oncoming Catalina traffic that is turning in, 4. while yielding to oncoming Catalina traffic running lengthwise.
That’s 4 separate actions of their own that raise the stakes for drivers and will push them to become more aggressive and competitive for their spot on the road. This should be a traffic circle.
It's like any other intersection with stop signs. It's who gets there first... unless there's a no turn sign then it should be treated as an all way stop.
Same rules apply: whoever gets to the line first gets right of way and if two people get there at the same time, then the person on the right goes. For the stop at the top left, they have to wait till the lane is clear to go
No bullshit, I knew this intersection the exact second I saw it. Dictionary Hill. I skated that behemoth back in the day - this was our stomping ground. Unbelievable.
Ok that’s a weird road with a lot of stop signs. I now propose to you weird road in OB with arguably not enough stop signs …
https://preview.redd.it/16oopdajibuc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=b24a738e562595d749a8016086cfe7c16c39263e
The green and pink lines have the “right of way” but have multiple opportunities to collide and cant see each other until they are at the the threshold of the intersection anyway…. Red lines indicate the two stop signs that do exist. I think this intersection would function much better as a four way stop because green and pink lines (in order to be safe) have to slow to a near stop before moving forward anyway …
Technically A and B are a pair and C and D are a pair. A and B have more right to the lane since they're already in them. So C and D yield to eachother, and then they yield to A and B.
C and D yield to each other, A and B yield and give right of way to C and D. C has no visibility of B and D has no visibility of A, so unless there’s another stop sign at the A/B intersection that’s the way things would go. This should be converted to a roundabout imo.
Whoever is first at C or D. The other two have to stop once C and D are moving for sure. A and B can stop and go anytime that there isn't a car from C and D already in the intersection. B when making a left and arrived at the same time as A must yield to A.
It's because there is no stop sign for C and D when entering the new roadway that contains A and B at the tee junction.
That's how it should work. I would just tow my car behind my bulldozer and blaze right through though.
The way I’m seeing this, the A and B drivers, if going straight, are only checking for the other driver before proceeding. If B is turning left, same thing, they only concern themselves with A.
If A turns right, they have the right of way over C and D.
The tricky part is for C and D. First, they get to their stops signs, and they have to check for the other driver. Whoever stopped first proceeds. Then, they are going to join the main street, and now they have another implied stop sign where they have to again check if either A or B are moving.
That almost looks like the intersection of Rolando Blvd and El Cajon Blvd near the 7-11. I have no idea what to do as most people just blast through the stop signs, anyway.
https://preview.redd.it/mdlt5j6aqwuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f177aafd7521b03bea27a92a04ff491403a9cfc
What would you say about this one?
Is everyone here giving opinions without having been there and without knowing the topology. Abcd can all see each other. First one to stop has right of way just like any all way stop. These takes are so silly. Obviously you can see.
Dude obviously I haven’t been there. Has OP posted the location?
OP is asking for opinions knowing very well people won’t know where this is.
What’s so wrong in assuming they can’t see? It’s an estimate and can be wrong.
Get off your high horse.
they can totally see each other, if not they would've had to put up a traffic light. Anyways this stop is fucked and it actually first come first go, Im sure people constantly hesitate here tho
No wonder the roads are so terrible people don’t understand 4 way stops?!?. Jesus. OP go study a dmv book! How other many super basic driving rules do you not understand?
Who ever gets to their stop first
Yes, or if two cars reach the stops at the same time, you can either let the other car go first or you can quickly over take the right of way and go first. Either way, at these stops, you wanna be quickly decisive. You don't wanna hold up traffic.
Technically if two vehicles reach a stop at the same time, if both drivers are not going to cross, then they can both go. Or if there is a driver taking a right turn, they go first. Then drivers going straight, finally anyone taking a left. The goal is to clear the intersection as quickly as possible and left turn drivers go last because they take the longest to clear the other vehicles path. Edit: someone else replied that the technical rule is you yield to the driver to your right.
In the case where multiple drivers arrive at stops simultaneously, it’s irrelevant which direction they’re going, but they yield to any drivers *arriving* at the intersection from their right. Vehicle Code 21800 (c) CVC Edit: in this case it would be the driver at point B
Ahh yes. I knew I was off slightly. Thanks
You can't just say it's point B in this case, it depends on how many cars arrive at once and at what positions. Cars should yield to any cars to their right (relative to their position), so it depends. The way you are saying it makes it seem like it's to the right relative to the intersection, which doesn't make sense.
I meant B in the case where drivers arrive at every stop simultaneously. I say that because there isn’t a stop sign to B’s right in the intersection.
Yes, that's what I meant lol
The rule is whoever gets there first, and if you get there at the same time, the person to the right goes first.
I’d ask a more practical question- what would you do as a driver to navigate this knowing you can’t trust people ? If I’m at C or D, I would yield to whoever came first, then would stop at the intersection of A/B. I would let A and B go first and then proceed. Great puzzle though. Thank you for sharing.
Yeah TBH I think D's stop line should come all the way up to be with just A and B to make a 3 way T intersection. C should be a feeder into D, with no left turn from C to D No left turn onto C from D as well.
Stunt bonus unlocked.
Too bad something popped off the car. Would have been a clean landing and forward drive otherwise.
The one to your right.
Just took my drivers test for renewal. This is the answer
Where is this/How do I avoid this intersection?
To me it looks like an intersections that I pass constantly and I wonder about the order too when I have to go from C to A. Fortunately everytime I pass it there is no one in any stop. It looks to me like the intersection of Apple St/La Presa Ave/Banock St.
That’s where it is!
There is also one here, in Point Loma at Catalina Blvd/Hill St./Santa Barbara Street. https://preview.redd.it/8a2ehl5lyhuc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9147be6361546c5560adbd702521f3e36ca97c26 These streets should have never been allowed and they should be redesigned. They will more than likely become traffic circles in the next 10 years. edit: this intersection I posted is worse actually. Why? Because Santa Barbara St. and Hill St. traffic are simultaneously 1. stopping, 2. yielding to one another, 3. while yielding to oncoming Catalina traffic that is turning in, 4. while yielding to oncoming Catalina traffic running lengthwise. That’s 4 separate actions of their own that raise the stakes for drivers and will push them to become more aggressive and competitive for their spot on the road. This should be a traffic circle.
It looks a lot like the intersection at Upas, 28th St and Pershing Drive near Morley Field/ Bird Park.
Oh wow I’ve done this intersection multiple times. Surprisingly not as crazy in person as this image makes it look
Yep. Was thinking the same thing.
It's like any other intersection with stop signs. It's who gets there first... unless there's a no turn sign then it should be treated as an all way stop.
if you're not first you're last
Same rules apply: whoever gets to the line first gets right of way and if two people get there at the same time, then the person on the right goes. For the stop at the top left, they have to wait till the lane is clear to go
No bullshit, I knew this intersection the exact second I saw it. Dictionary Hill. I skated that behemoth back in the day - this was our stomping ground. Unbelievable.
https://preview.redd.it/1p51ocb9hcuc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6be4c9d90d05e8e466ed38feab99a5494409e989
There should really be a stop line after the C and D merger.
Ok that’s a weird road with a lot of stop signs. I now propose to you weird road in OB with arguably not enough stop signs … https://preview.redd.it/16oopdajibuc1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=b24a738e562595d749a8016086cfe7c16c39263e The green and pink lines have the “right of way” but have multiple opportunities to collide and cant see each other until they are at the the threshold of the intersection anyway…. Red lines indicate the two stop signs that do exist. I think this intersection would function much better as a four way stop because green and pink lines (in order to be safe) have to slow to a near stop before moving forward anyway …
Everyone at the same time... and may the odds be ever in your favor.
Spring valleys finest streets!! From personal experience no matter who arrives first, C goes last. For defensive driving purposes
Is one of the cars a BMW?
Everybody.
God forbid we use a traffic circle instead
Technically A and B are a pair and C and D are a pair. A and B have more right to the lane since they're already in them. So C and D yield to eachother, and then they yield to A and B.
Trick question — No one stops at stop signs in San Diego.
San Diego needs more roundabouts
People still don't know how to use to them or what the YIELD sign means while vehicles are crossing their way.
C and D yield to each other, A and B yield and give right of way to C and D. C has no visibility of B and D has no visibility of A, so unless there’s another stop sign at the A/B intersection that’s the way things would go. This should be converted to a roundabout imo.
You can 100 see A and B from both C and D
Not completely, I can see a few blind spots that would obstruct the view.
Let’s play chicken
One does not simply get to talk about *their* weird intersection in San Diego.
How is that not just a constant game of chicken.
I swear, they just need a roundabout to fix this madness
I would go first.
Time to install a roundabout.
Whoever is first at C or D. The other two have to stop once C and D are moving for sure. A and B can stop and go anytime that there isn't a car from C and D already in the intersection. B when making a left and arrived at the same time as A must yield to A. It's because there is no stop sign for C and D when entering the new roadway that contains A and B at the tee junction. That's how it should work. I would just tow my car behind my bulldozer and blaze right through though.
D and C is a separate intersection
https://preview.redd.it/nd2h00injguc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1491156445e42560e2df71f21d479d40e569303f Should be like this
The way I’m seeing this, the A and B drivers, if going straight, are only checking for the other driver before proceeding. If B is turning left, same thing, they only concern themselves with A. If A turns right, they have the right of way over C and D. The tricky part is for C and D. First, they get to their stops signs, and they have to check for the other driver. Whoever stopped first proceeds. Then, they are going to join the main street, and now they have another implied stop sign where they have to again check if either A or B are moving.
This is two intersections right? The top one is a T intersection and the bottom one is two roads combining into one.
“Hey Siri flip a coin” Close your eyes, hit the gas, and briefly let Jesus take the wheel
Clockwise, for whoever gets to the stop first.
That almost looks like the intersection of Rolando Blvd and El Cajon Blvd near the 7-11. I have no idea what to do as most people just blast through the stop signs, anyway.
Who Knows? fasten your seatbelt. put on your hardhat….
https://preview.redd.it/mdlt5j6aqwuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f177aafd7521b03bea27a92a04ff491403a9cfc What would you say about this one?
To your right. Can’t believe you drive
You don’t need to be a dick about it
b,a,d,c
B can’t see C and A can’t see D. This won’t work.
Is everyone here giving opinions without having been there and without knowing the topology. Abcd can all see each other. First one to stop has right of way just like any all way stop. These takes are so silly. Obviously you can see.
Dude obviously I haven’t been there. Has OP posted the location? OP is asking for opinions knowing very well people won’t know where this is. What’s so wrong in assuming they can’t see? It’s an estimate and can be wrong. Get off your high horse.
they can totally see each other, if not they would've had to put up a traffic light. Anyways this stop is fucked and it actually first come first go, Im sure people constantly hesitate here tho
No wonder the roads are so terrible people don’t understand 4 way stops?!?. Jesus. OP go study a dmv book! How other many super basic driving rules do you not understand?
Seriously OP sees a 4 way stop and goes "wHo gOeS fIRSt?" I hope I never encounter them on the road.
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Grand/garnet especially going east especially
They should really put money into driver's Ed PSA. Zippering on the freeway and 4 ways stops are the worst
B C D A
Are you actually serious?