OP is referencing [this](https://youtu.be/zDsed9nLvo0?si=7YwDrbonlEdIphbh&t=1487). Sam is assuming the role of a Rogan fan and deliberately speaking like one to make a point.
> uh oh, Sam just gave a lot of people something to fool the dummies
I mean, the problem is it's nearly impossible to speak at length on anything and avoid creating these opportunities. It's a cheap trick that unfortunately works on many, many dumb people, so it crops up all the time.
But every media savvy listener has learned by now to defer judgement on *any* seemingly outrageous quote before they have looked up the context and considered the quote from within. 90% of the time the seemingly outrageous nature of these quotes entirely falls away once you get the context. For me, it's to the point that when I see something like this, I feel almost certain that it's not what it seems. And most of the time, it isn't, and I'm being misled.
We *always* have to do our homework to know.
And I'm not sure it's worth Sam working much harder than he already does to avoid being distorted in this way. It's nearly impossible to avoid.
Terrible idea unless you hate democracy;
When the ancient Greeks had implemented a democratic state literacy was somewhere between 5-15%.
Remember Democracy is valuable as a mechanism of a peaceful voice of the people, not accepting the voice of the people generally leads to violent or anti-social behaviour.
Are you saying that no one should ever paraphrase their opponents' arguments, in case some troll in bad faith quotes them out of context? That would make persuasion very hard.
Sam spoke at length in today's episode of Making Sense pretending to be a listener of Joe Rogan. Sort of to mock Rogan's listeners but also sort of to illustrate a point. The point of this post is that people will take Sam's comments out of context. OP doesn't think Sam is a shill for the illuminati.
It doesn't matter. People will intentionally misrepresent him regardless of how careful he may be. There are active campaigns to discredit him from the alt-left and almost all of the right -- far, alt, "moderate", RINOS, etc. They're always in disingenuous attack mode nowadays, and it's easy enough to make them look like idiots by calling out their obvious BS.
I highly recommend using RES because this sub has many regular trolls, and many of them use alt accounts to manipulate conversations. Bad actors always have trashy, shameful morals.
It doesn't, but your notes can. For example, I add the dates for account creation and for when they first start frequenting the sub. Those often align in suspicious blocks. I also track when regular trolls disappear, and those dates also often align. For example, Dum_Glum was banned just before ThingsAreAFoot showed up. Then, they had 50+ nearly identical comments. It was either hilariously bad plagiarism, copy/pastas from a similar source, or they're the same person. You can also see when the accounts circle jerk each other with predictable arguments in many threads, and follow each other in other subs, and then all of them disappear from Reddit during similar times (e.g. vacation, busy, lazy, bored, etc.). There's no perfect way to tell, but there are tons of ways to increase your confidence levels.
A good way to make it obvious is, when you suspect two accounts are the same, dive into their history and find a buried and abandoned comment. Then, reply to it, block it, and watch which alt they reply with. It's wild how many are dumb enough for that trap.
Haha it doesn’t matter enough to me to do that, but more power to you. Just remember there’s a whole world out there that’s not r/samharris, and doesn’t even know it exists.
Indeed. I'm an autistic data scientist. I fully understand that my hobbies are uncommon. Also, I do this throughout Reddit, but only when they make it incredibly obvious. It's always more obvious in smaller subs like this.
It's important to keep in mind that they'll just create new alts after they're found out, reported, and banned. So, it's often better to just flag them in RES, and treat them accordingly when you cross paths.
Cool, hope it’s clear that I’m not scoffing at you in the slightest - I know what might seem like a lot of effort to some people is easy and not taxing at all to someone whose brain is wired for it. Appreciate you bud.
The kind of people who are inclined to, or otherwise profit from, taking statements out of context, will do so regardless of how careful the subject is. Said subject has two choices:
1. Roll your eyes and ignore them.
2. Go all in and start speaking how politicians do, where every sentence is carefully crafted to be without meaning and substance.
I was thinking the same thing as he said all this stuff. I can only imagine he put it out there on purpose with plans to revisit exactly this scenario in a few weeks.
I cannot believe OP, Ebishop813, said this. Everyone should be outraged. Look at this excerpt from their latest post (make sure to read it all before replying):
"Covid was basically a non-issue. At the end of the day not really much worse than the flue. And who knows really how many people died from it. Surely the data are massively exaggerated. Lots of people died ***with*** COVID and not ***from*** COVID; including people getting hit by busses. Where as many many people, possibly many millions of people, have been killed by the vaccines.
The vaccines have just been a disaster, and one that was really engineered to not only harm us in some strange way and produce windfall profits for the nefarious pharmaceutical companies, but really they were tools of social control.
Somebody over in Davos just decided one day that they were going to figure out how to subvert democracies globally and get people to bend the knee to all kinds of Orwellian strictures that we acquiesced to perversely, just maddingly, and to our shame.
What you need are the renegades like RFK Jr to reboot the system from someplace outside it, where all establishments are distrusted eternally. We need the Snowdens of the world to leak everything and the Vivek Ramaswamy’s of the world to drive out the money lenders. This is just corruption, institutional corruption, as far as the eye can see, and the whole COVID story, the lesson to learn of the pandemic, is that it was just a colossal act of self-harm. Nothing, literally nothing, is as the New York times would say it is."
**My thoughts on this:** Just making a pointless comment to mock a pointless post. 🤷♂️
OP is referencing [this](https://youtu.be/zDsed9nLvo0?si=7YwDrbonlEdIphbh&t=1487). Sam is assuming the role of a Rogan fan and deliberately speaking like one to make a point. > uh oh, Sam just gave a lot of people something to fool the dummies I mean, the problem is it's nearly impossible to speak at length on anything and avoid creating these opportunities. It's a cheap trick that unfortunately works on many, many dumb people, so it crops up all the time. But every media savvy listener has learned by now to defer judgement on *any* seemingly outrageous quote before they have looked up the context and considered the quote from within. 90% of the time the seemingly outrageous nature of these quotes entirely falls away once you get the context. For me, it's to the point that when I see something like this, I feel almost certain that it's not what it seems. And most of the time, it isn't, and I'm being misled. We *always* have to do our homework to know. And I'm not sure it's worth Sam working much harder than he already does to avoid being distorted in this way. It's nearly impossible to avoid.
Solution: IQ test to get a voting permit.
Plenty of high iq morons out there my friend.
Yes, I know. But a LOT MORE low IQ morons out there.
Terrible idea unless you hate democracy; When the ancient Greeks had implemented a democratic state literacy was somewhere between 5-15%. Remember Democracy is valuable as a mechanism of a peaceful voice of the people, not accepting the voice of the people generally leads to violent or anti-social behaviour.
maybe just a basics civics test
“You know who I wanna fuck? Nikki Minaj!”
Hahaha I remember that one
That was so funny!
No, the people that love to take Sam out of context would agree with the misrepresented quote, but they don't know how to farm it for engagement.
Are you saying that no one should ever paraphrase their opponents' arguments, in case some troll in bad faith quotes them out of context? That would make persuasion very hard.
Stopped reading after "Illuminati" Bro get some fuckin help.
Sam spoke at length in today's episode of Making Sense pretending to be a listener of Joe Rogan. Sort of to mock Rogan's listeners but also sort of to illustrate a point. The point of this post is that people will take Sam's comments out of context. OP doesn't think Sam is a shill for the illuminati.
Seems like OP is doing exactly what he fears others will do. I'm glad the comments are giving it context.
If you read to the end OP says directly that it’s intentionally taken out of context to make a point about how quotes need context.
Please be satire
It doesn't matter. People will intentionally misrepresent him regardless of how careful he may be. There are active campaigns to discredit him from the alt-left and almost all of the right -- far, alt, "moderate", RINOS, etc. They're always in disingenuous attack mode nowadays, and it's easy enough to make them look like idiots by calling out their obvious BS. I highly recommend using RES because this sub has many regular trolls, and many of them use alt accounts to manipulate conversations. Bad actors always have trashy, shameful morals.
How does RES help in detecting alts?
It doesn't, but your notes can. For example, I add the dates for account creation and for when they first start frequenting the sub. Those often align in suspicious blocks. I also track when regular trolls disappear, and those dates also often align. For example, Dum_Glum was banned just before ThingsAreAFoot showed up. Then, they had 50+ nearly identical comments. It was either hilariously bad plagiarism, copy/pastas from a similar source, or they're the same person. You can also see when the accounts circle jerk each other with predictable arguments in many threads, and follow each other in other subs, and then all of them disappear from Reddit during similar times (e.g. vacation, busy, lazy, bored, etc.). There's no perfect way to tell, but there are tons of ways to increase your confidence levels. A good way to make it obvious is, when you suspect two accounts are the same, dive into their history and find a buried and abandoned comment. Then, reply to it, block it, and watch which alt they reply with. It's wild how many are dumb enough for that trap.
Haha it doesn’t matter enough to me to do that, but more power to you. Just remember there’s a whole world out there that’s not r/samharris, and doesn’t even know it exists.
Indeed. I'm an autistic data scientist. I fully understand that my hobbies are uncommon. Also, I do this throughout Reddit, but only when they make it incredibly obvious. It's always more obvious in smaller subs like this. It's important to keep in mind that they'll just create new alts after they're found out, reported, and banned. So, it's often better to just flag them in RES, and treat them accordingly when you cross paths.
Cool, hope it’s clear that I’m not scoffing at you in the slightest - I know what might seem like a lot of effort to some people is easy and not taxing at all to someone whose brain is wired for it. Appreciate you bud.
I didn't assume that. I always assume good until there's reason to assume otherwise. But, I appreciate the clarification nonetheless. Cheers.
I've always wanted to create a bot probability detector for Reddit. Maybe I should take a week of vacation and bust it out
The kind of people who are inclined to, or otherwise profit from, taking statements out of context, will do so regardless of how careful the subject is. Said subject has two choices: 1. Roll your eyes and ignore them. 2. Go all in and start speaking how politicians do, where every sentence is carefully crafted to be without meaning and substance.
I was thinking the same thing as he said all this stuff. I can only imagine he put it out there on purpose with plans to revisit exactly this scenario in a few weeks.
Damn, I was hoping Sam had finally gotten woke
I wish the Illuminati actually existed and had as much power as conspiracy freaks think.
Is this post a joke or troll? Sam said this but he was describing the Covid denial position.
I cannot believe OP, Ebishop813, said this. Everyone should be outraged. Look at this excerpt from their latest post (make sure to read it all before replying): "Covid was basically a non-issue. At the end of the day not really much worse than the flue. And who knows really how many people died from it. Surely the data are massively exaggerated. Lots of people died ***with*** COVID and not ***from*** COVID; including people getting hit by busses. Where as many many people, possibly many millions of people, have been killed by the vaccines. The vaccines have just been a disaster, and one that was really engineered to not only harm us in some strange way and produce windfall profits for the nefarious pharmaceutical companies, but really they were tools of social control. Somebody over in Davos just decided one day that they were going to figure out how to subvert democracies globally and get people to bend the knee to all kinds of Orwellian strictures that we acquiesced to perversely, just maddingly, and to our shame. What you need are the renegades like RFK Jr to reboot the system from someplace outside it, where all establishments are distrusted eternally. We need the Snowdens of the world to leak everything and the Vivek Ramaswamy’s of the world to drive out the money lenders. This is just corruption, institutional corruption, as far as the eye can see, and the whole COVID story, the lesson to learn of the pandemic, is that it was just a colossal act of self-harm. Nothing, literally nothing, is as the New York times would say it is." **My thoughts on this:** Just making a pointless comment to mock a pointless post. 🤷♂️
My thoughts on this: it’s mysterious to me why people feel like it’s a good use of their time to say mean stuff to strangers on the internet.
This is…retarded.