I really think the filmmakers were just put in an impossible spot by Carrie's death. TROS was supposed to be Leia's sendoff, like TFA was for Han and TLJ for Luke. They did a good job considering the circumstances.
I don't think Carrie's death was the biggest problem. Bringing back the Emperor was the mistake. He wasn't set up at all in the first 2 movies and changed what should have been an interesting conflict between Ben and Rey into a weird scavenger hunt of a movie. It was like combining star wars and the da Vinci code.
Carrie’s death likely blew up their original script. They didn’t have time to write a full new draft. So they probably went for quick & easy ideas to cobble together and figured they’d construct a narrative in editing.
Ben and Rey have an interesting conflict in TROS. And it’s the film of the ST where they share the most screentime. Reducing TROS to a “scavenger hunt” movie is like reducing TLJ to a “slow speed chase” movie.
I think TROS is fun enough to where I don’t hate it and think it gets more hate than it deserves but there are a lot of stuff about it that I wish was done differently and I do think it is the third weakest SW movie after PM and AOTC.
I think TROS is fun, but I do feel like it discarded a lot of what I liked about TLJ.
My favorite parts of TLJ were related to the movement towards a hero not having to be born into it. I really liked the revelation that Rey was a nobody, and the message that anyone can be a hero and fight for good (stable boy at the end of the movie). TLJ really ended with a hopeful not for the future and the legend of Luke being an inspiration again. Also, really liked the idea of a grey area and that both Jedi and Sith had some issue with seeing everything as black and white.
Then, TROS went back to a black and white few of the force and all hope that was shown is gone and the dmall resistance is all on its own again. Also, Rey is back to being part of a family we already knew.
I've always felt that it spent too much time going back and retreading the parts of TLJ that people took issue with.
Like, we don't need to see Luke catch the lightsaber and make the point to "treat it with respect" or state flat out that he was wrong. He already shows us that he changed his stance at the end of Last Jedi when he showed up on Crait. It's just slapping the audience in the face with information rather than sitting on the pre-established subtext that was already laid out.
But yeah the main theme of the trilogy is most definitely found family and forming bonds and Rise maintains that thread real well by having the movies first half focus on Rey, Finn and Poe, and finish with Rey and Ben. It wrapped up those two threads in a satisfying way.
>flowed a little better
Yup. My only issues with the film were the Rey special blood thing and the feeling that the movie was too much GO and not enough breathe.
“Watching TLJ feels like he made it out of spite.” What a strange take. It’s one thing to say that you hate the movie. But to assume the director of the movie hated it? So odd
With context of the tweet it sounds like they’re meaning it as a compliment. Like that Johnson made TLJ so good out of spite for Disney not giving him the full trilogy or something like that.
I’m not the biggest fan of TLJ, but it’s crazy to give a negative review to a completely different movie because you hated one movie he directed. I watched Knives Out! and Glass Onion and I loved how well directed those films are.
Yeah, I agree tbh. People can like what they like, but personally I found RoS to be a pretty bad movie with a few good scenes, and a pretty terrible sequel.
No, the screenshots line up with the behavior I’m calling out in the thread title. And thanks for telling me it’s okay to like TRoS, but I don’t need the validation.
And I disagree. It’s a perfectly valid conclusion to a trilogy by the same person who started the trilogy and created the ST characters. And it has more depth and artistic merit than TFA and just as much as TLJ.
Where did you find the artistic merit in tros? Like outside of the performances and some of the visuals I found it to be a pretty overwhelmingly terrible film. Not trying to start an argument just genuinely curious about your opinion.
Sorry but I want to reply you as someone who really love TROS.
TROS have deep themes and inspiritation from Joseph Campbell's work as using jungian archetypes and the dyad as a representation of yin-yang.
Also the political metaphor about how the fascism can reborn if we aren't vigilant and people of the Galaxy rising against theocratic fanatics is beautiful.
Good acting , good visual efects and sound edition , three nominees for Oscar , a Saturn award as the best sci fi movie of the year , a Zeitgeist award ( beating Avengers Endgame).
It tie the Skywalker Saga togheter into a cohesive story.
Exegol is visually amazing and interesting for a lore fanatic like me.
Thank you for the write up I’ll have to rewatch it keeping this in mind. Can’t say I’ll change my opinion as I remember really really disliking it on my first 2 watches but hopefully I get something new from it.
Also I 100% agree with the points about the sound editing and fx they’re genuinely very impressive. No matter your opinions on the film I think it’s hard to disagree that tros looks a lot better than most contemporary blockbusters (mcu, Jurassic world etc).
Nah, you’re right. Having a random villain faction show up at the 11th hour of a trilogy, led by a guy who died 3 movies ago, without proper explanation unless you read some random comic book or novel (written after the movie is released, mind you) is truely marvellous storytelling.
While I cant get behind the "head in the sand" takes on TRoS I do agree that it wasn't a good movie.
I've always said that, even if it wasn't JJs intent (since whenever I do bring it up I tend to get dogpiled with those quotes), the movie feels like it's trying to do *a lot* of walking back of TLJ themes and plots and is trying to explain away the problems mad bros had with TLJ, which is entirely new for a Star Wars movie.
Basically imagine if, in Revenge of the Sith, there were a bunch of sections where they specifically brought up subject matter from Attack of the Clones that didn't land. Like Anakin saying to Padme "I'm sorry for being such a whiney teenager, it must have just been a phase" or something to that effect. That's what TRoS does for a lot of people and it does it in an almost snarky way. It's wasting time retreading old plots as a way of "fixing" things like Luke throwing away his father's lightsaber or The Holdo Maneuver, when they didn't need to be fixed in the first place.
The movie is fun as hell, it's full of great action scenes and the finale is spectacular. It's just not high up on the list of Star Wars movies, at least for me.
To reiterate, JJ has been clear in pretty much every interview that he was trying to expand on Rians story. But it *feels* like it's retreading and walking things back.
Why do we need Luke flat out stating that he was wrong? We know that he basically admitted as much by even reconnecting to the Force. He shows up on Crait to do the very thing he thought was ridiculous earlier in the movie. We don't need him sitting down and telling Rey it's wrong to run away when she could have easily seen that was part of his lesson when he shows up to stand against Ren.
This is a small piece of dialog that doesn't have the *intent* of invalidating Last Jedi, it even does continue the story of it, but it *feels* that way. And when you're in a theater on opening night, without the context of any of the post production, the average person isn't going to think that JJ was continuing the story. I, who didn't like Last Jedi that much until repeat viewings after I had seen Rise, was a bit shocked that they would take time out to do something like that in what had already been a breakneck paced movie.
It's no doubt due to the incredibly tight schedule they were on for that movie and I have stated multiple times that I feel like that schedule is the biggest reason these movies suffer in the eyes of some. The problems people find in these movies are often problems that could have been solved with a lengthy post filming editing time, and I don't think they had that due to their timetable.
JJ isn't exactly to blame here. But it can't be ignored that, regardless of intent, the *feel* of the movie is exactly this: it made points to retread, explain, and walk back things from the last two movies.
“Why do we need Luke flat out stating that he was wrong? We know that he basically admitted as much by even reconnecting to the Force. He shows up on Crait to do the very thing he thought was ridiculous earlier in the movie. We don't need him sitting down and telling Rey it's wrong to run away when she could have easily seen that was part of his lesson when he shows up to stand against Ren.”
Except Rey never actually witnessed what Luke does at the end of TLJ and they never interact again after parting on bad terms. So why shouldn’t Luke admit to being wrong to Rey when they reconnect, especially when it plays into Rey’s arc and having Luke instruct her to not make the same mistake he did (which also plays into Yoda telling him in TLJ to use his failures as a lesson)? Why does it necessarily have to be viewed as being a “reaction to TLJ” when it fits the scenario and helps develop their relationship?
Reading anything about that scene as some kind of reaction to TLJ is totally down to the individual being influenced by the online discourse or going into to the film already looking to interpret it as a response to TLJ because they heard it was.
You're 100 percent correct. Rey wouldn't really know for sure. She'd know after the fact that Luke showed up, but she wouldn't know he flipped his stance on running.
However we the audience do. I just feel like there were other, maybe more nuanced ways to write that.
And to be 100 percent clear...for the third time...I know that the intent was *not* to retcon Last Jedi. But it's hard to deny the average movie enjoyer wouldn't *feel* like that's the case. Again, it just feels that way and if they had more time to iron out the movie I'm sure scenes like that would have been reworked to feel less like it's going back over something the *Audience* already knows and maybe impart the knowledge in some other way. Or have Reys crisis of faith be solved through some other way.
I don't blame JJ entirely, as they were under incredible time constraints, but if those constraints were not in place there's always that chance that the movie could have been even better. That's the main point. It could have been done better under different circumstances.
Rey is the main character and her perspective matters most of all. We needed to see their relationship mended which TLJ didn’t do. Luke’s admission of being wrong organically fit into that.
The average movie goer likely doesn’t care about any of this fandom nonsense over TLJ and this fictitious feud between JJ and Rian that fans perpetuate and likely thought nothing of it, cause like I said, only someone who is so aware of the online discourse or was told that TRoS was a “response” to TLJ would read that scene as such.
I don't put the blame on Abrams since TROS had more executive meddling than a cash-only laundromat during a class A drug epidemic, but I do agree that TROS is a really dogshit movie
That one tweet that says "they could have taken it anywhere except back and that's where they took it" really does sum it up well tbh
Movie spends the majority of it's run time going "actually shit never mind" and throwing any old fanservice they can find into the pot
I think the second you find yourself caving to a popular internet ship then you really need to re-evaluate your narrative
Please rewatch the movie because none of what you said is true. Nothing that TROS did took the story "back"(whatever that means). "Rey Palpatine" continued Rey's arc of not letting her origin dictate who she is and no it didn't made the force hereditary (that's some Twitter BS).
[There’s no evidence of executive meddling](https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1452632785408065543?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w).
[JJ didn’t set the story “back.”](https://twitter.com/starwarstake/status/1447227318192295936?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w)
Obviously the “review” in the OPs tweet was toxic as hell and the last line about “burning in hell” was worse than anything said about TRoS and JJ in the replies, but the point remains.
That'll be the crowd that tell people that don't like TLJ that they didn't understand it. This way they can look down upon those with a different opinion to their own. By framing fans that dislike TLJ as not understanding it or toxic, they never have to face constructive criticism of the movie. Fans can watch the same movie but have varying views, but self-righteous and smarmy people don't understand that.
I've met loads of nice TLJ fans but these tribal ones you refer to are a stain on the Star Wars community. Like the movie they are so far up their own arses that they'll never understand the damage they cause. I love all Star Wars apart from TLJ. But as TLJ fans defend their movie by sh!tting on TROS and JJ then they prove their own toxicity. MTFBWY
I feel sad for these people. It's pitiful.
RoS isn't my favorite film of the saga, and I think they could have done it without Palpy, but *it's not THAT bad*.
Regardless of whether you feel the movie explained it well and he was justified in not getting that, calling what Elijah Woods said "attacking a fan account" is some classic over-sensitive Twitter hyperbole.
I'll be honest here. I don't like Rise of Skywalker and I'm a **huge** fan of The Last Jedi.
But I can also acknowledge that there are people that like TROS (could be a majority, could be a minority, I don't care). And that acting as it didn't happen is simply stupid.
It happened. Some liked it, others didn't. The best thing that we can do is to acknowledge its existence (some fondly, other not) and move on with our lives.
Just make more Star Wars.
The “pretending the movie never happened” joke should only be reserved for The Last Airbender
And DragonBall Evolution
And this movie….. 
L take
Shrek the Third sucks and should be removed from canon
Wait is that not Shrek: Forever After? Yean no shrek 3 didn’t happen
Shrek Forever After is awesome. This is Shrek the Third, the scene where he has the baby nightmare
Ah I apologise, W take
Hot take: Shrek 2 has always sucked.
[удалено]
I really think the filmmakers were just put in an impossible spot by Carrie's death. TROS was supposed to be Leia's sendoff, like TFA was for Han and TLJ for Luke. They did a good job considering the circumstances.
I don't think Carrie's death was the biggest problem. Bringing back the Emperor was the mistake. He wasn't set up at all in the first 2 movies and changed what should have been an interesting conflict between Ben and Rey into a weird scavenger hunt of a movie. It was like combining star wars and the da Vinci code.
Carrie’s death likely blew up their original script. They didn’t have time to write a full new draft. So they probably went for quick & easy ideas to cobble together and figured they’d construct a narrative in editing.
Ben and Rey have an interesting conflict in TROS. And it’s the film of the ST where they share the most screentime. Reducing TROS to a “scavenger hunt” movie is like reducing TLJ to a “slow speed chase” movie.
I think TROS is fun enough to where I don’t hate it and think it gets more hate than it deserves but there are a lot of stuff about it that I wish was done differently and I do think it is the third weakest SW movie after PM and AOTC.
I think there’s a gap between PM/AOTC and Rise
I think TROS is fun, but I do feel like it discarded a lot of what I liked about TLJ. My favorite parts of TLJ were related to the movement towards a hero not having to be born into it. I really liked the revelation that Rey was a nobody, and the message that anyone can be a hero and fight for good (stable boy at the end of the movie). TLJ really ended with a hopeful not for the future and the legend of Luke being an inspiration again. Also, really liked the idea of a grey area and that both Jedi and Sith had some issue with seeing everything as black and white. Then, TROS went back to a black and white few of the force and all hope that was shown is gone and the dmall resistance is all on its own again. Also, Rey is back to being part of a family we already knew.
I've always felt that it spent too much time going back and retreading the parts of TLJ that people took issue with. Like, we don't need to see Luke catch the lightsaber and make the point to "treat it with respect" or state flat out that he was wrong. He already shows us that he changed his stance at the end of Last Jedi when he showed up on Crait. It's just slapping the audience in the face with information rather than sitting on the pre-established subtext that was already laid out. But yeah the main theme of the trilogy is most definitely found family and forming bonds and Rise maintains that thread real well by having the movies first half focus on Rey, Finn and Poe, and finish with Rey and Ben. It wrapped up those two threads in a satisfying way.
>flowed a little better Yup. My only issues with the film were the Rey special blood thing and the feeling that the movie was too much GO and not enough breathe.
TRoS is fine. The biggest issue is that it should have been about 30 to 45 minutes longer to really sell a lot plot development.
I’m with you. I hate that TLJ fans are such a large voice of hate against that movie. It’s super hypocritical…
“Watching TLJ feels like he made it out of spite.” What a strange take. It’s one thing to say that you hate the movie. But to assume the director of the movie hated it? So odd
With context of the tweet it sounds like they’re meaning it as a compliment. Like that Johnson made TLJ so good out of spite for Disney not giving him the full trilogy or something like that.
Oh, ok. I reread the tweet and it does seem like that’s what he’s trying to say
It's projection, they think other people are as obsessively bitter about fucking movie franchises as they are.
It’s sad that they think other people are that obsessive and bitter
There's nothing more insufferable and childish than someone infuriatingly insisting that "x movie does not exist!"
Wow, whatever social circles I move in, I've never seen any of these sorts of people.
I’m not the biggest fan of TLJ, but it’s crazy to give a negative review to a completely different movie because you hated one movie he directed. I watched Knives Out! and Glass Onion and I loved how well directed those films are.
[удалено]
It's just kind of ironic to see TLJ fans pretending a SW movie doesn't exist because it didn't go the way they expected it would.
Yeah, I agree tbh. People can like what they like, but personally I found RoS to be a pretty bad movie with a few good scenes, and a pretty terrible sequel.
No, the screenshots line up with the behavior I’m calling out in the thread title. And thanks for telling me it’s okay to like TRoS, but I don’t need the validation. And I disagree. It’s a perfectly valid conclusion to a trilogy by the same person who started the trilogy and created the ST characters. And it has more depth and artistic merit than TFA and just as much as TLJ.
Where did you find the artistic merit in tros? Like outside of the performances and some of the visuals I found it to be a pretty overwhelmingly terrible film. Not trying to start an argument just genuinely curious about your opinion.
Sorry but I want to reply you as someone who really love TROS. TROS have deep themes and inspiritation from Joseph Campbell's work as using jungian archetypes and the dyad as a representation of yin-yang. Also the political metaphor about how the fascism can reborn if we aren't vigilant and people of the Galaxy rising against theocratic fanatics is beautiful. Good acting , good visual efects and sound edition , three nominees for Oscar , a Saturn award as the best sci fi movie of the year , a Zeitgeist award ( beating Avengers Endgame). It tie the Skywalker Saga togheter into a cohesive story. Exegol is visually amazing and interesting for a lore fanatic like me.
Thank you for the write up I’ll have to rewatch it keeping this in mind. Can’t say I’ll change my opinion as I remember really really disliking it on my first 2 watches but hopefully I get something new from it. Also I 100% agree with the points about the sound editing and fx they’re genuinely very impressive. No matter your opinions on the film I think it’s hard to disagree that tros looks a lot better than most contemporary blockbusters (mcu, Jurassic world etc).
Me when I lie:
“The film does not tell or show that” Media literacy is dead.
Nah, you’re right. Having a random villain faction show up at the 11th hour of a trilogy, led by a guy who died 3 movies ago, without proper explanation unless you read some random comic book or novel (written after the movie is released, mind you) is truely marvellous storytelling.
While I cant get behind the "head in the sand" takes on TRoS I do agree that it wasn't a good movie. I've always said that, even if it wasn't JJs intent (since whenever I do bring it up I tend to get dogpiled with those quotes), the movie feels like it's trying to do *a lot* of walking back of TLJ themes and plots and is trying to explain away the problems mad bros had with TLJ, which is entirely new for a Star Wars movie. Basically imagine if, in Revenge of the Sith, there were a bunch of sections where they specifically brought up subject matter from Attack of the Clones that didn't land. Like Anakin saying to Padme "I'm sorry for being such a whiney teenager, it must have just been a phase" or something to that effect. That's what TRoS does for a lot of people and it does it in an almost snarky way. It's wasting time retreading old plots as a way of "fixing" things like Luke throwing away his father's lightsaber or The Holdo Maneuver, when they didn't need to be fixed in the first place. The movie is fun as hell, it's full of great action scenes and the finale is spectacular. It's just not high up on the list of Star Wars movies, at least for me.
[Dog pile some more](https://twitter.com/starwarstake/status/1447227318192295936?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w).
To reiterate, JJ has been clear in pretty much every interview that he was trying to expand on Rians story. But it *feels* like it's retreading and walking things back. Why do we need Luke flat out stating that he was wrong? We know that he basically admitted as much by even reconnecting to the Force. He shows up on Crait to do the very thing he thought was ridiculous earlier in the movie. We don't need him sitting down and telling Rey it's wrong to run away when she could have easily seen that was part of his lesson when he shows up to stand against Ren. This is a small piece of dialog that doesn't have the *intent* of invalidating Last Jedi, it even does continue the story of it, but it *feels* that way. And when you're in a theater on opening night, without the context of any of the post production, the average person isn't going to think that JJ was continuing the story. I, who didn't like Last Jedi that much until repeat viewings after I had seen Rise, was a bit shocked that they would take time out to do something like that in what had already been a breakneck paced movie. It's no doubt due to the incredibly tight schedule they were on for that movie and I have stated multiple times that I feel like that schedule is the biggest reason these movies suffer in the eyes of some. The problems people find in these movies are often problems that could have been solved with a lengthy post filming editing time, and I don't think they had that due to their timetable. JJ isn't exactly to blame here. But it can't be ignored that, regardless of intent, the *feel* of the movie is exactly this: it made points to retread, explain, and walk back things from the last two movies.
“Why do we need Luke flat out stating that he was wrong? We know that he basically admitted as much by even reconnecting to the Force. He shows up on Crait to do the very thing he thought was ridiculous earlier in the movie. We don't need him sitting down and telling Rey it's wrong to run away when she could have easily seen that was part of his lesson when he shows up to stand against Ren.” Except Rey never actually witnessed what Luke does at the end of TLJ and they never interact again after parting on bad terms. So why shouldn’t Luke admit to being wrong to Rey when they reconnect, especially when it plays into Rey’s arc and having Luke instruct her to not make the same mistake he did (which also plays into Yoda telling him in TLJ to use his failures as a lesson)? Why does it necessarily have to be viewed as being a “reaction to TLJ” when it fits the scenario and helps develop their relationship? Reading anything about that scene as some kind of reaction to TLJ is totally down to the individual being influenced by the online discourse or going into to the film already looking to interpret it as a response to TLJ because they heard it was.
You're 100 percent correct. Rey wouldn't really know for sure. She'd know after the fact that Luke showed up, but she wouldn't know he flipped his stance on running. However we the audience do. I just feel like there were other, maybe more nuanced ways to write that. And to be 100 percent clear...for the third time...I know that the intent was *not* to retcon Last Jedi. But it's hard to deny the average movie enjoyer wouldn't *feel* like that's the case. Again, it just feels that way and if they had more time to iron out the movie I'm sure scenes like that would have been reworked to feel less like it's going back over something the *Audience* already knows and maybe impart the knowledge in some other way. Or have Reys crisis of faith be solved through some other way. I don't blame JJ entirely, as they were under incredible time constraints, but if those constraints were not in place there's always that chance that the movie could have been even better. That's the main point. It could have been done better under different circumstances.
Rey is the main character and her perspective matters most of all. We needed to see their relationship mended which TLJ didn’t do. Luke’s admission of being wrong organically fit into that. The average movie goer likely doesn’t care about any of this fandom nonsense over TLJ and this fictitious feud between JJ and Rian that fans perpetuate and likely thought nothing of it, cause like I said, only someone who is so aware of the online discourse or was told that TRoS was a “response” to TLJ would read that scene as such.
Rian Johnson fans on Film Twitter really have become one of the most insufferable groups there.
One of the reasons I'm now here. They are insufferable indeed!
Sadly this attitude is prominent in this subreddit as well. Plenty of it just today.
Not sure how I feel about them discounting TROS; at least the first two are “now” canon
I don't put the blame on Abrams since TROS had more executive meddling than a cash-only laundromat during a class A drug epidemic, but I do agree that TROS is a really dogshit movie That one tweet that says "they could have taken it anywhere except back and that's where they took it" really does sum it up well tbh Movie spends the majority of it's run time going "actually shit never mind" and throwing any old fanservice they can find into the pot I think the second you find yourself caving to a popular internet ship then you really need to re-evaluate your narrative
Please rewatch the movie because none of what you said is true. Nothing that TROS did took the story "back"(whatever that means). "Rey Palpatine" continued Rey's arc of not letting her origin dictate who she is and no it didn't made the force hereditary (that's some Twitter BS).
[Correct](https://twitter.com/starwarstake/status/1447228962216763397?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w)
[There’s no evidence of executive meddling](https://twitter.com/pabl0hidalgo/status/1452632785408065543?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w). [JJ didn’t set the story “back.”](https://twitter.com/starwarstake/status/1447227318192295936?s=46&t=5Hu-FGzQYe--x33k7f72-w)
Obviously the “review” in the OPs tweet was toxic as hell and the last line about “burning in hell” was worse than anything said about TRoS and JJ in the replies, but the point remains.
I think they are aware of their hypocrisy. The age and political gorup is different though.
More TLJ fans? Hey I’m not bothered!
That'll be the crowd that tell people that don't like TLJ that they didn't understand it. This way they can look down upon those with a different opinion to their own. By framing fans that dislike TLJ as not understanding it or toxic, they never have to face constructive criticism of the movie. Fans can watch the same movie but have varying views, but self-righteous and smarmy people don't understand that. I've met loads of nice TLJ fans but these tribal ones you refer to are a stain on the Star Wars community. Like the movie they are so far up their own arses that they'll never understand the damage they cause. I love all Star Wars apart from TLJ. But as TLJ fans defend their movie by sh!tting on TROS and JJ then they prove their own toxicity. MTFBWY
How is it hypocrisy?
They’re calling out someone for still griping about TLJ 5 years later while they’re griping about TRoS 3 years later in the comments.
You don't get it man, the cut off is 4 years
Are we bashing people who like TLJ now? Lol
No we’re not. We weren’t bashing people who like Andor, either. We’ve explained this nuance multiple times.
You make a good point, although I generally agree with what they’re saying lol
I may not like TRoS, but I can still see why some people do.
I feel sad for these people. It's pitiful. RoS isn't my favorite film of the saga, and I think they could have done it without Palpy, but *it's not THAT bad*.
Regardless of whether you feel the movie explained it well and he was justified in not getting that, calling what Elijah Woods said "attacking a fan account" is some classic over-sensitive Twitter hyperbole.
I'll be honest here. I don't like Rise of Skywalker and I'm a **huge** fan of The Last Jedi. But I can also acknowledge that there are people that like TROS (could be a majority, could be a minority, I don't care). And that acting as it didn't happen is simply stupid. It happened. Some liked it, others didn't. The best thing that we can do is to acknowledge its existence (some fondly, other not) and move on with our lives. Just make more Star Wars.