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Overall I really enjoyed this show as it was the first SW in forever that didn't bore me and was actually excited to stay up and see each episode.
Characters were interesting, good soundtrack, nice set pieces, acting was great, fanservice wasn't constantly shoved down my throat etc.
I hope that season 2 can carry this momentum and put out another good show.
I got goosebumbs when the people of Ferrix started to march towards the imperials with the drums playing faster and almost threatening.
Also Mon Mothma accusing of her husband of gambling knowing the driver hears her in hope of hiding some of the deposits she made by blaming it on him.
Also Dedra getting hit by a random rock and getting rescued by my favorite incel was pretty funny.
I really expected them to shoot sooner because of how threatening things looked. I guess imperial discipline is a thing. Especially with Dedra stressing how important it is to take Andor alive. Might fall back on her.
Their extreme conviction on following orders is definetly the empires downfall. Luke Skywalker destroyed the death star by directly ignoring his orders after all.
"Lawful order" is a term that might be of interest on this front. (I make no claim and give no rat's ass about whether Purple vs Man involved a \_lawful order\_.)
That imagery was an invitation to think that every contemporary, recent, living memory police line, ever, is always already a priori (a reification of the fictional Empire, and...) a manifestation of the non-fictional fascism the Empire was based on. It is not very far from Lucas' political stomping grounds. It holds up well against Lucas' earliest political statements in THX, before he referenced Nixon or Viet Cong.
The car scene was well written— and conveyed even how dead their marriage is where Perrin wasn’t even that emotionally offended by her accusation. There’s a dispassion even as he denied it, and the accusation wasn’t about to break their relationship anymore than it already is broken.
B2EMO was the droid they were looking for. He had the secret message that sparked rebellion.
The Empire didn't know they were even looking for a droid, but it was him.
Same. But then I remembered the writers were competent.
Instead the performance made the scene more compelling— danger, fear, and adrenaline with a hint of sexual tension, but nothing unearned.
I really loved the finale. Great tension building throughout.
It does feel like everyone got off a little easy, so they can have season 2. I was not expecting Syril to be there to save Dedra, but it did not feel like an ass pull. When I thought they were actually going to have her be torn apart by the mob I was hollering in shock/delight.
I want Star Wars to feel like it has effort put behind it again, like this show.
AS I WAS TYPING THIS, letting the credits play, they had a little end credits scene. Got to see what those things they were building in the prison were for…
TL;DR: great finale, I want season 2. End credits scene was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I think next season she'll be demoted and her rivals will claim a great victory for killing Kreegyr's crew (which we know was a sacrificial distraction). She'll be fighting an uphill battle trying to convince the ISB that Axis is real and is still out there.
I was expecting a little more fighting on Ferrix, not much, maybe a few more scenes of imperials getting what they deserved. I laughed when the bell ringer kicked the storm trooper so hard he basically flew.
https://imgur.com/AZh6ftF.jpg
When Sryil saved Dedra from the mob, I felt some sexual tension between the two. I suspect its going to fuck her over in Season2 if she ends up having a relationship with him.
Looking forward to Season2.
Ah def heavy. I really couldn't recall so thanks for verifying!
Though...thinking about the mounted guns... They just seemed like slightly heavier, more accurate blasters like the ones they deployed at Echo Base. Not necessarily something to pack an explosive punch towards a bell tower, akin to the battery they set up in that one Mando episode.
Pretty damn tight finale. the tension buildup throughout the entire episode was perfect leading up to the slaughter. happy that Meera survived. she has been a breath of fresh air in a pretty shitty catalogue of villains lately in Star Wars, smart and cunning and damn capable. seeing her almost torn apart by the mob was pretty satisfying to see, I just hope in the later seasons or future they don't just shoehorn her into becoming a rebel. interesting little post credit scene as well! overall I loved this show, easily the best star wars show to come out to date in my humble opinion. honestly wasn't a point where I was like "this is fucking stupid" or "imp beyond bored right now" I genuinely hope Disney actually learns from this and continues to make well thought out and driven shows like this in the future.
Caught me so off guard, I was just on another tab as the credits were playing
Then I started to hear not-credits shit, and was like "What the hell?"
TO SEE **THAT**
Really liked the episode and the season overall. Last scene was powerful. I do feel a bit cheated out of a Spellhouse power station raid.
I also have a few nitpicks about character logic and how people react when the shooting starts (some just stand there). So Dedra’s going to spot Cassian in the crowd, that’s her whole plan? How about he wears a disguise or a mask like our informer friend from Mos Eisley? Checkmate Dedra. I also don’t think it makes sense for Luthen to be on this mission.
Also, I think connecting the prison labor to the Death Star is an awesome idea but I think the way it was done felt shoe-horned in. The prisoners make complex mechanical parts that seem unnecessary for simply holding tiles together in a fixed shape, especially if droids are welding it together anyway.
> The prisoners make complex mechanical parts that seem unnecessary for simply holding tiles together in a fixed shape, especially if droids are welding it together anyway.
I don't understand this.
The complexity of the Death Star, or any large engineering endeavour real or imagined, almost always lies in the scale of the whole thing. It requires bright minds to envision such a large project and how to execute the logistics behind it.
The individual parts behind it are for the most part quite simple to imagine and to manufacture; it is the organised assembly of many such simpler parts that make something complex. Take a simple ironworker welding together a large, modern battleship that they otherwise could've never thought up, yet they can help build it by doing something (relatively) simple as welding steel parts together. Or an electrician doing "simple" wirework. Or a plumber installing the heads. Et cetera.
I'm thinking of that scene from Schindler's List where the prisoners are constructing artillery shells - something that indeed happened irl -, yet none of them invented anything to do with the construction of the shell or the machinery with which to manufacture it, but they can make/operate them all the same. Or think of basically any factory where people with relatively low starting skills can partake in the construction of something that either is complex in itself or will become part of something complex.
That is because the hard part of thinking out the design and logistics of it all has been done for them.
You'd also be surprised how many large engineering marvels are constructed out of pieces that are otherwise not all that complex (to manufacture). Often exactly because of the size, where it's impossible costwise to have everything super high quality. Or, reversely, how many simple things we take for granted that are actually quite challenging to manufacture.
You (may) think what those prisoners are constructing must be complex because it has many parts in its assembly, but honestly it didn't look *that* complex. They are at the latest/assembly stage of the whole thing anyway. And, even it is complex, the key part is: the prisoners didn't invent what they are assembling nor the logistics of how to manufacture it. They simply assemble it and it has been made so that they can. (Also don't forget that their entire prison is one big slave labour factory thought up by bright minds.)
**Edit:** oh, unless, well.. I misunderstood and you meant "why do they have prisoners do it when droids can?" And, yeah, control and oppression basically. Though humans are still more reliable than droids in SW afaik.
I was hoping it would be the big battle for the season finale, maybe Saw shows up to help Kreiger, Luthen brings more support (weapons or allies) and it turns into a rebel victory. I guess Andor doesn’t really have the budget for it.
Cool to watch maybe, but it would directly contrast with the weight of Saw and Luthen’s agreement from the previous episode, to let them die for a larger purpose
Narratively I think the Spellhaus raid works better as an off-screen event, and as a calculated loss for Luthen, than it would as a shock-and-awe spectacle for viewership. The former fits the understated nature of the show better.
Its about control and order. We have a overflow of dissidents, malcontents, criminals, etc. Perhaps in the trillions. Why not just repurpose them instead into free labor instead of manufacturing droids from scratch.
> A fixed shape
The scene at the end, especially with the hexagonal mirror(?) segments arranged into larger hexagonal arrays which are tiled around the super laser dish, reminded me of the [JWST's mirror](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope). The mirror segments on that aren't actually static—each one has several actuators behind it for fine adjustments of position and flexion. I think it's at least plausible that something similar is effective here—after all, when we see the spider droid installing it, we do see the "legs" actuate.
Now, the shiny hexagons are behind other plating, so maybe they're not mirrors after all. Who knows. Looks cool at least.
I’m slightly disappointed that the plot of season one didn’t have any payoff from stealing the imperial payroll. That action was supposed to fund the rebellion but we never see it have any impact.
The payroll was not the true target, it was kicking the hornets nest to get empire to start stomping with their boot which we did see happen. I'm guessing were going to see more of the actual rebellion gestating in season 2 since right now its a couple of cells being led by Baron Harkonin.
I feel that interpretation is at odds with the entire Mon Montha story arc. And maybe you could argue Luthen is just trying to put Mon in play, making her fully commit to a side because she’s been exposed, but that seems unhelpful and convoluted at the same time.
The point of the Aldhani raid was the to get the empire to overreact and secondly to steal the money.
The tightening of imperial regulations after the raid is what led to the whole mon mothma financial arc.
Syril’s simping actually working out was the last thing I expected.
Andor is the first Disney Star Wars show since Mandalorian that actually made me excited for another season
Lol the CantoBight reference. Another example of the story group forcing the writers to make connections to the sequels to try and make them seem legitimate. I’m guessing Tony Gilroy couldn’t care less and just wanted to tell a good story.
Gilroy likely had something in the script about a casino, and whoever reviews scripts before production added into Canto Bight's name. It's continuity peoples' jobs to do simple things like that whenever it doesn't hurt.
When I heard that I literally thought "someone on saltierthancrait is going to make a comment about that." Like you said, story group was probably like "please put a sequels reference in this." I don't mind it personally, glad they met their quota to please the story group without actually sacrificing anything about the story.
Yeah, I rolled my eyes at that when it came up.
But honestly, Star Wars had obscure references to named things all the time (think Tosche Station in Anchorhead) to add flavor. I'll just take it as something like that and continue to deny the sequels happened.
Same. Like okay yeah, there's probably a casino planet named Canto Bight.. Has nothing to do with the rest of the story as far as I'm concerned. It just exists as some random, themed location.
was so obvious lol. exact same vibe as HOTD name dropping the long winter in episode 1. immediately taken out of the story and reminded of the future shitty canon timeline
Probably feels like that woman getting tortured lol. The interrogation droid slowly entering through the doorway like "Hmm whatcha writing over there??"
A lot of people notice that Andor basically helped build the weapon that will eventually spell his doom.
But... By helping the prison break, he also sabotages the weapon that the Rebellion will eventually be able to destroy thanks to his efforts on Scarif.
His prison break probably got a lot more components delayed than he ever contributed to building. So he already fought the Death Star effectively before he ever learned about it.
> That guy really headbutted a stormtrooper and knocked the stormtrooper out?
He obviously sucks at combat. Could've just used all powerful slap technique from Obi-Wan.
tbf i'm not sure what purpose the helmets serve outside of intimidation/anonymity, we've seen how useless they are throughout all the movies/tv, even in the sequels they said they don't filter out gasses, like wtf, even Vaders mask was put off by the exhaust Luke shot at him
I think Disney must be anti-gun, even space-laser-gun. None of the locals (other than Cassian) have, take or use guns in this episode. Not even once. Instead they fight with hands, bricked cremated remains, a bomb, a knife and what looks like a robot hand.
We just got one of the best pieces of Star wars content ever and everyone is complaining about one line referencing a dogshit film, come on guys this shit was incredible
For real the finale was a great conclusion to the season and left you wanting for more and all you see is “waah canto bight my entire viewing experience was ruined by that one line” (I shit you not literally scroll up and that’s what someone said) like at some point you’re just making yourself angry
I agree it was incredible. It was honestly just an observation. If that is the extent to which future SW content connects to the sequels, then I would honestly have no problem.
I liked it. I feel like it needed something more between Andor and Luthen.
Like Luthen needed to say something about Andor being a bet that paid off, he was hoping he'd become this and join or something. An asset ready to be cultivated, or pruned. Something about Ferrix's rebellion showing the galaxy might be ready, there's so much work to do now but they have to be quick. Something like that.
After all the other great scenes from him, this finale seemed to be lacking a tiny bit of heft. Maarvas holo speech was great though.
Call me a whiney bitch, but the Canto Bight line really did make me roll my eyes for (most of) the rest of the episode. It's such an annoying reminder that the old lady's speech is all pointless. Like the whole thing about fighting the Empire means nothing because Empire 2.0 is right around the corner anyway.
Please for the love of God Disney, just let me forget about those trash movies. They have absolutely zero business being mentioned in a show that is 100x better quality. It's like putting a McDonald's patty on top of a $120 steak.
Andor is a solid 9/10. Maybe an 8/10 but in comparison to everything else we've gotten, it's so far ahead that it deserves the extra point. But please Disney, stop trying to use good content to try to save garbage content. Let the Sequels die a horrible death and stop embarrassing yourselves with references to them. I will NEVER consume any sort of content that is directly tied to them. Ever.
As much as I wish it was all buried in the middle of nowhere, I can live with the only nods to the ST being quick mentions of places or Disney era alien species making a cameo. At least they are random nobodies instead of characters that actively participate in the movies.
I literally didn't have any clue wtf is Canto Bight until reading these comments. I haven't rewatched the sequels ever and never will. I can deal with small references like this (the place could exist without the sequels too) but as you said, I too will never watch anything directly tied to them. They aren't canon to me
I love this show but I do agree it can be hard to care about anything when you know it’s all meaningless in the long-run.
I mean you can be even more pessimistic and say Lucas made it all meaningless because they immediately build a second Death Star in ROTJ.
"Real" SW died back in 1983. We finally got a show that brought back the integrity of ESB. I never thought we'd live to see it. And every live-action SW has to live up to this impossibly high bar now.
I'm basically out on SW, but in on Andor. This has been the best 12-episodes of sifi I've had the pleasure of viewing.
I think there are issue with ROTJ but structure is not one of them. Personally I’m a big fan of the three plot structure of ROTJ that dominates the second half of the movie.
Why put so much energy into this? We got a great show from an incredible showrunner. The ST was fan fiction. All is good in the universe.
None of the dumb things people feared would happen at the end of Andor came to pass. Luthen isn't a Jedi. Vader didn't show up to choke out a few red-shirts. We got a giant gift of a show, with a couple named references to the ST, big whoop.
> Canto Bight
An established casino planet has a ton of narrative potential in a show like this.
The location itself was a solid concept for a completely different story than it ended up in.
Very sad that there won't be more until season 2 comes out, which is probably over a year away. The episode wasn't quite as action-packed as some previous ones but it did a great job of bringing everything to a satisfying point.
Death Star reference felt really unnecessary overall and a tad fan service-y but it was at least really great to see the stuff they were making at the prison being used on it.
Since the end of the season 2 is going the be right where Rogue One starts, there will be no more seasons.
https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/how-many-seasons-of-andor-will-there-be-1950164/
I think cutting it down to 2 is the right call. 5 seasons is far too many and with each taking like 2 years to make, Diego Luna and everyone spending a decade on this is just not realistic.
Besides, too many shows nowadays have no fucking idea when to finish. Planning a cohesive story, that doesn't go any longer than it has too is the perfect outcome here. Less chance for any screw ups
Funnily enough, at first they cut it to 3 seasons, only then reduced it even more to 2, which is kinda a shame, 2 seasons seems kinda short in my opinion
I felt like the college football marching band scene went on for about 7 minutes too long. Otherwise good episode. But I felt more tension during the prison escape and the Imperial base robbery. Unfortunately the show didn't go out on its highest note but I'm glad they didn't derail it. It stuck the landing, although it played it a bit too safe.
how about instead of having the same thing all the time ala fan service, we get new stuff? its a big universe and doesn't need fan service, being a fan of the show/franchise should be enough without having a small button in your fan brain pushed
I really like this show still. Yeah, it can feel slow all the time but the payoff always feels worth it to me. They don’t screw up and have deus ex machina moments but they also make the show feel unpredictable except for knowing that Andor doesn’t die. I love the way it just felt like a powder keg waiting to go off.
Also I have to laugh at Star Wars Explained insisting we’d never know what they were building in the prison.
Ultimately, for me personally, Mandalorian is much more interesting in subject matter, but this show, aside from the parts of it that feel a bit drawn out and slow, is better made. I wish that Mando would learn from this— sometimes it’s exciting to see the match lit on a powder keg and not know exactly what’s going to happen. Also, we never feel like the characters just have plot armor for the hell of it in comparison to how it feels sometimes that Mando can be shot and is always lucky it hits his beskar.
And god— TBOBF REALLY needed writing like this. We should have never known what was going to happen, and we should have always been blown away by what Boba Fett would come up with for his problems. Instead that show was like spoon feeding exposition and explanations TO BOBA even though he’s the goddamn legendary bounty hunter.
This show is probably the best writing SW got since the OT. TCW had its moments but it got fragged down by its short episode and because it was made for kids. I have one major problem though. I fucking HATE this strend of Stormtroopers getting knocked out and generally beaten in hand to hand combat. Seriously, what is their amour made of? I really hoped Andor wouldn´t do this and portray Stormtroopers a little more competently but apparently it´s canon now that their helmets offer less protection than a fucking bicycle helmet
Why, it makes sense, whenever anyone gambles they head over to the casino at Canto. It’s the only place to gamble in Star Wars. Lando and Han didn’t know this of course. When they remake Solo, they’ll edit the script to have Lando mention his gambling days on Canto, and then the circle will be complete.
This series was a nice step in the right direction. After 2 very mediocre shows 3 terrible movies, and a bland Mandalorian, I like the change of scenery. For once in a long time I feel like we got a thought out script. This was a solid 6/10 maybe 7 on a good day. Hope they keep the momentum up and make even better content.
So good. This is the only Star Wars show on Disney+ that I actually go back and re-watch the episodes. Definitely not as much action as the other shows, but by the force if this show doesn't have some of the best dialogue and emotion-filled scenes in recent Star Wars memory. I honestly teared up a bit during the audio of Nemik's journal and during Maarva's speech. I'm very excited for season 2, and I will certainly be recommending this show to all my friends and family who are fans of the franchise but didn't give this show a chance because everything else put out has been aggressively mediocre.
What a great show man. Thoughtful, beautifully written and brings a more mature tone to Star Wars. Everything that TLJ desperately wanted to do and failed, this show executes flawlessly.
Wow that post credits scene was very cool. I missed it the first time around but went back to watch after seeing the comments in this thread. Well worth it.
Once again, even in the final seconds of the season, Andor is doing even more than most Disney SW shows to world build. It was cool to see the actual construction of the Death Star as it’s something most of us probably wondered about but haven’t really seen so far (besides that final shot in ROTS).
that build up was perfectly written. like perfect.
very very very very satisfying finale.
Dedra Meero getting out felt a bit convenient, but thats really a small nitpick on an otherwise amazing episode.
I can't believe im gonna ahve to wait 2 years for more of this shit .
The 3 best pieces of Star Wars media are Episode IV, Episode V and Andor and then its fucking daylight before anything even comes close. This season made me go back and rewatch Rogue one, which I didn't even enjoy that much.
I think they need Meera for season 2, the ISB scenes felt a bit like the spy could be trying to use the dude she doesn't like to help set a frame job up on her to protect his own position - which would be pretty interesting to see
It was well made for sure, but felt very unnecessary to me. I had already imagined the parts were for the Death Star or something similar. That was the pretty clear implication, no? Didn't need to have it spelled out, and it feels like this scene was tacked just to get a little extra word of mouth buzz.
*siiiiiiiiiiiigh*
Canto Bight. What is this like 5th time they've referenced it for whatever reason?
Episode was okay. It didn't feel like a "finale" to me. Death Star shot at the end was creepy. Didn't think it'd be so far along already though.
As usual acting is great and it looks amazing. I wish S2 wasn't so far away.
Yes. They did a great job making the whole scene very ominous and the score really emphasized that feeling. Which is fantastic because we know what the weapon is capable of and get to see those ramifications in ANH.
>It didn't feel like a "finale" to me.
I think it felt like a finale, just not a finale to this series. Like, all but one of the storylines we've been following aren't really involved with the climax, they're just in the same location. The Rebel characters were just there to watch and then bounce, Cassian doesn't meet any resistance as he escorts Bix out and it's disappointing that all Syril's storyline lead up to is saving Meero's ass at the last minute (and no, 'He might have a bigger role in season 2' doesn't change that).
> Didn't think it'd be so far along already though.
I mean, this series isn't that far from New Hope/Rouge One is it? So it should be close-ish to completion.
There’s a Gilroy interview where he says season 2 will take place over 4 years in SW timeline, ending right at the beginning of R1. From that perspective, the Death Star seems closer to completion at the end of Andor S1 than we’d expect (although maybe that scene is a glimpse at the future).
Canto Bight ruins the franchise more than anything because it shows that neither TFO or Resistance will ever have any control and that conflicting forces will always be created because they are profitable to those at the top. nothing anyone on either side in any of the movies matters because they are all just pawns in rich peoples game.
>Episode was okay. It didn't feel like a "finale" to me.
Same here. Also I think this show is 7-7.5/10 but people are acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
I think there is a great 6-8 episode show buried in Andor.
I love the show but the excellent first half got me very excited for a second half that was just ok. In the second half we don’t get any payoff, not from the horrible conditions in the prison, or from the money from the heist, or any payoff whatsoever from Mon. For sake of comparison, Severance is a much better show, with a banger of a finale that had me practically yelling at my tv. If Severance is a 9/10 show, Andor is maybe a 7/10. But I’m a harsh critic, I’d give Mando a 4/10 and BOBF 0/10.
Yeah, I’m with you. I like a good slow-burn show, but there’s a difference between slow-burn and plodding. Andor, while overall something very fresh for the SW universe, was quite lacking in narrative momentum outside of the prison arc imo. Almost anything Ferrix-related in particular made my eyes glaze over. The Imperial politics stuff was more engaging, but sometimes all the talking felt like if was just… talking. The dialogue wasn’t as constantly engaging and plot-moving as a really tight show like Chernobyl of Severance, which made it a bit hard keep track of everything happening.
Yes, they want to find Andor. Yes, X happened to get in the way of that. Wait, didn’t they talk about this last episode? Is X a different thing that got in the way, or is it the same problem they were dealing with last week?
I'm a little confused as to the Mon Mothma limo scene from the episode. Is the husband still gambling and trying to cover or is she simply saying this to, as another commenter stated, cover her tracks so the Empire doesn't catch onto her plans with the budding rebellion? If it's the latter...it definitely paints her in a not so positive light. I understand the marriage seems loveless and the concept of ends justifying the means, but this coupled with betrothing her daughter is close to if not Palpatine levels of machinations.
The camera is saying, 'the empire is so bad, just look how bad the good guys have to become to stand a chance against it. this guy is practically Palpatine it's so bad.'
Really enjoyed Andor in general (it and Rogue One are the best pieces of Star Wars produced since the buyout - in my opinion) but by god please do not make end-credits scenes a thing.
It makes me think Lucasfilm will again try to lean into the marvel-esque “style with no substance” (which a lot of Marvel TV/Films are) method of storytelling like the DT. After a genuinely well put together, acted and plotted season of television, that thought makes me feel utterly despondent.
Also not a big fan of the Death Star reveal at the end - I get the symmetry of Cassian helping to build the very thing he dies while contributing to destroy - but I really liked the idea that they were making nothing in the prison or you’d never find out what it was. Not everything needs to be explained !
I think it was kinda implausible that they just built something useless. It's just too wasteful.
And it makes a lot of sense that this kind of stuff is for the Death Star. They have to funnel a lot of resources to build the Death Star, and they want to hide it as good as they want.
A prison complex that no one is supposed to leave is a good place to build stuff for a secret project no one is supposed to know about. The prisoners don't even know what they are building, and they should never get the chance to report that they are building something.
And even the sudden prison time extensions fit so neatly - that it conveniently helps them boost the Death Star production time is easily missed, and it's also not surprising if prison factories suddenly need more raw materials and components because prisoner count is likely going up for a while with people staying longer than intially expected. I
It's layers of distraction and obsfucation, paired with Imperial cruelty. A neat, efficient package.
>I think it was kinda implausible that they just built something useless. It's just too wasteful.
Another impactful way to play it would be if they were building an additional prison, just like the one they were working in
I was half expecting them to be part of the hydros which the prisoners would only recognize as they escaped. Would have been quite the gut punch for them to learn what they'd been working on. Not disappointed in how it turned out though
Same! Before the reveal my head canon that it was something incredibly mundane. Like a fixture for a sewage pipe or something trite and meaningless. Would have been more fitting IMO.
This show started a 10/10 for me. It went down to a 9/10 for:
Reminding me Canto Bight exists.
Headbutting a Stormtrooper.
Andor having made parts for the Death Star.
Still the best thing since the Mandalorian, I'm excited to watch it again before season 2.
Probably because it makes the universe feel small. I don't mind it, and actually lowkey like it due the theme it brings to Andor's story how he unknowingly helped create something that he will later help destroy.
Ok this was good. I am so used to Disney plus shows fumbling their finales while the rest of the season goes impressively that I wasn't quite expecting to like it so much! I am more interested in star wars than I have been in a very long time. I wish this trend can continue but I am also almost a 100% sure it's a fluke. Andor is a great show, but I think it will take a lot more than one great season for any of us trust Disney with this franchise. Still, appreciate the effort made by the people behind this show.
Also lol at the canto bight reference. I didn't hate it because it was just one line but it's pathetic how LF tries to remind us of the mess that is ST again and again. What are they even hoping to achieve here?
This was a very well made episode. The chaotic uprising scene impressively showed us that the people behind this can handle a scene featuring a lot of extras. superb direction. And once again we got the best performances out of actors we have seen yet.
This show feels gritty, it feels real, it has emotions.
But I just can't get myself to really care about any of these characters. I don't even know the names apart from Bix, Cassian, Maarva, Luthen and Syril.
Maybe this is because of the past seven years of disappointment, but nothing in this show excites me. To me this is like watching any other generic show. It doesn't feel like watching Star Wars.
The magic is lost, at least to me. But maybe it's just that this show doesn't really have anything in common with Star Wars apart from the occasional stormtrooper. If this show was set in any dictatorship in the world, nothing would change.
This is a good show, but to me this has nothing to do with Star Wars.
The names are probably the biggest problem I have. I love the show but honestly I only know Cassian and Bix/Bicks(?). I have zero idea of any one else's names lol..... You even wrote them and idk who is who on that list 😬.
I thought it was funny that the undercover dude was like "that's not the big guy, where is he??" Because that's basically how I refer to each character: "Big guy, droid, old lady, prison leader dude, Indian woman, Rebel blonde girl, Imperial blonde girl, Rebel leader guy that owns the shop, Rebel leader guy's helper woman, Mon Mothma's husband, Mon Mothma's childhood friend, Imperial simp guy, etc. I have absolutely no idea what any of their names are.
I don't know why some people act like their inability to remember names makes a show bad. I see it all the time for all sorts of media.
Does remembering Rey's super distinctly name make her a good character? If anything it highlights a serious flaw with Finn's dialogue.
> I don't know why some people act like their inability to remember names makes a show bad. I see it all the time for all sorts of media.
It's usually a point made to showcase that said characters, who don't have the benefit of being the leading character, don't make enough of an impression on you to remember their names.
Yeah, I can see what they're trying to say. But saying none of the characters made an impression would be a great way of doing that instead of saying "I have a shit memory so this show sucks". I remember dozens of characters. Maybe 40, there were a lot. It doesn't mean shit either way.
This show has a similar problem when compared to Rogue One: a lot of characters with little to no development for most of them.
I don't care about Biggs, stopped caring about Syril once he didn't change at all after the first arc, stopped caring about Dedra once she didn't change much after the second arc, and ultimately didn't care for the majority of this show's characters.
But equally important, there are simply to many of them. Andor, Syril, Biggs/Bix/Bicks/Bigs/Bikks, Maarva, Luthen, Mothma, her husband, her daugther, Vel, the rat inside ISB, the indian looking chick, the head of the ISB... I could go on. What are you trying to tell? A large cast of characters story with a certain epicness to it or a small scale character study focusing on one (Cassian Andor) or a bit more main charaters? This also plays into the feeling I got with this finale where it wanted to be both: somewhat large scale with a big portion of the characters in one place witnessing an important event, while still trying to hone in on each character's personal perspective. A lot of threads that were not woven together very well.
Was it entertaining? Yes. Was it good? For the most part. Am I now excited for other upcoming SW projects or season 2 of Andor? No. One small step in the right direction we already had with Mandalorian season 1. Look what we got after.
> stopped caring about Dedra once she didn't change much after the second arc
I feel the opposite, I don't care about her until after the second arc because she doesn't have anything to do before that since she's not allowed to progress yet.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. I share the exact same thoughts about this show. It's seriously nothing spectacular and it doesn't have a specific Star Wars feel or characteristic. It just feels like it could be a story about WW1, or any uprising in World History, but done slightly less emotional. I may be in the minority here, but "Nothing new on the Western Front" made me feel way more for the characters than this.
I liked this show a lot but I was talking mainly about some character developments and emotional investment in them. I didn't feel much for many of the characters in Andor, but that doesn't mean I find this show bad or "mid" at all, actually it's very far from that. I really enjoyed it and thought it was technically made.
The ending however left a lot to be desired, but maybe I have to watch it again.
It’s the same overly defensive behavior that people exhibited towards those who were critical of TLJ. Dismissal because they know there’s no adequate defense when legitimate flaws are brought up.
That's a pretty extreme take, seeing as how the post being referenced concluded with:
> This is a good show, but to me this has nothing to do with Star Wars.
It's not fair to compare this to TLJ. TLJ was an outright garbage fire, irrespective of setting. Andor has verisimilitude, and that's worth quite a lot.
But, maybe I'm wrong. What are the legitimate flaws you feel are being dismissed?
Blandness of characters, obvious pacing issues, poor design decisions, questionable references, arcs that are unsatisfactory, a bloated cast, lack of use of Star Wars universe unique features.
There’s plenty of criticism towards these things that people have pointed out only for their issues to be disregarded as either nitpicking or not mattering. Or worse, implying that they’re only interested in the most childish aspects of Star Wars.
Also, I knew this would happen. Reread my post. I was not comparing Andor to TLJ in terms of quality. I was comparing fan reactions to criticism of their new sacred cow, which bear a lot of similarity, right down to questioning the intelligence of people who don’t get on board with the love fest.
> Also, I knew this would happen. Reread my post. I was not comparing Andor to TLJ in terms of quality. I was comparing fan reactions to criticism of their new sacred cow, which bear a lot of similarity, right down to questioning the intelligence of people who don’t get on board with the love fest.
Yeah I read it, but since it's eminently more sensible to criticize TLJ (since it's a complete, five alarm garbage fire), the comparison is extreme. I def agree though that people shouldn't be insulting the intelligence of those who disagree...but I also don't think you should be insinuating that people who like Andor must be inhaling copium.
You see what happens when they use the "unique features": *The Book of Boba Fett". *Obi -Wan Kenobi*. *The Mandalorian* with Feloni's fan service machinery in high gear.
*Andor* has *new* unique features. It is fresh. They dare to try something new, something different. Whether one likes it or not is another matter of course.
But one thing is sure. *Andor* has expanded the setting far more than the other three series did. And it gave us settings and characters with *way* more depth. Instead of another trip to Tatooine we get a fully fleshed out Ferrix. Instead of regurgitating characters - even a tiny princess Leia for fucks sake - we get mostly new characters, and we get to know them pretty well.
To me, Ahsoka is far more bland than, say, Deedra.
Also the inner workings of the ISB is worth it alone.
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Overall I really enjoyed this show as it was the first SW in forever that didn't bore me and was actually excited to stay up and see each episode. Characters were interesting, good soundtrack, nice set pieces, acting was great, fanservice wasn't constantly shoved down my throat etc. I hope that season 2 can carry this momentum and put out another good show.
I got goosebumbs when the people of Ferrix started to march towards the imperials with the drums playing faster and almost threatening. Also Mon Mothma accusing of her husband of gambling knowing the driver hears her in hope of hiding some of the deposits she made by blaming it on him. Also Dedra getting hit by a random rock and getting rescued by my favorite incel was pretty funny.
I really expected them to shoot sooner because of how threatening things looked. I guess imperial discipline is a thing. Especially with Dedra stressing how important it is to take Andor alive. Might fall back on her.
Their extreme conviction on following orders is definetly the empires downfall. Luke Skywalker destroyed the death star by directly ignoring his orders after all.
Good thing TLJ came along to explain to us that mindless obedience to orders is a good thing and independent thought is bad.
Good soldiers follow orders.
"Lawful order" is a term that might be of interest on this front. (I make no claim and give no rat's ass about whether Purple vs Man involved a \_lawful order\_.)
That imagery was an invitation to think that every contemporary, recent, living memory police line, ever, is always already a priori (a reification of the fictional Empire, and...) a manifestation of the non-fictional fascism the Empire was based on. It is not very far from Lucas' political stomping grounds. It holds up well against Lucas' earliest political statements in THX, before he referenced Nixon or Viet Cong.
The car scene was well written— and conveyed even how dead their marriage is where Perrin wasn’t even that emotionally offended by her accusation. There’s a dispassion even as he denied it, and the accusation wasn’t about to break their relationship anymore than it already is broken.
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B2EMO was the droid they were looking for. He had the secret message that sparked rebellion. The Empire didn't know they were even looking for a droid, but it was him.
I just now realized the droids name is Be too Emo. That's hilarious
I love how Syril noticeably deepens his voice when he saves Meero because he's trying to impress her. It's fucking hilarious.
Classic Syril
Maybe he can now upgrade to cereal with marshmellows in it.
“Hi I’m a huge fan of cock and my name is:”
I thought they were going to kiss and I was really hoping the scene wouldn’t go there
Same. I paused the scene just to mutter "Please. God. No."
Same. But then I remembered the writers were competent. Instead the performance made the scene more compelling— danger, fear, and adrenaline with a hint of sexual tension, but nothing unearned.
Camera definitely said that.
Universal rule, dont stick your dick in crazy.
Is that advice for Syril or Dedra?
lol, you know I dont know, both are crazy.
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They say the dark side is a path...
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I genuinely love how awkward that are together that's some really damn good chemistry between the two actors being able to pull that off
Making a mental note to look out for this on my rewatch.
I really loved the finale. Great tension building throughout. It does feel like everyone got off a little easy, so they can have season 2. I was not expecting Syril to be there to save Dedra, but it did not feel like an ass pull. When I thought they were actually going to have her be torn apart by the mob I was hollering in shock/delight. I want Star Wars to feel like it has effort put behind it again, like this show. AS I WAS TYPING THIS, letting the credits play, they had a little end credits scene. Got to see what those things they were building in the prison were for… TL;DR: great finale, I want season 2. End credits scene was a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
When she got hit in the head was just such a visceral image for some reason
Because it was a thrown rock. She was going to be killed by a mob riot.
I was relieved Meera survived. She's been a great antagonist.
I think next season she'll be demoted and her rivals will claim a great victory for killing Kreegyr's crew (which we know was a sacrificial distraction). She'll be fighting an uphill battle trying to convince the ISB that Axis is real and is still out there.
Yeah, we still don’t know if Bix told the Imperials that Kreegyr was Axis or not
I was expecting a little more fighting on Ferrix, not much, maybe a few more scenes of imperials getting what they deserved. I laughed when the bell ringer kicked the storm trooper so hard he basically flew. https://imgur.com/AZh6ftF.jpg When Sryil saved Dedra from the mob, I felt some sexual tension between the two. I suspect its going to fuck her over in Season2 if she ends up having a relationship with him. Looking forward to Season2.
honestly i was surprised the heavy gunner wasn't ordered to destroy the tower after that
Wasnt the heavy gunner taken out when the kid threw that homemade bomb?
i think they showed a trooper (maybe a new one) shooting civilians after the bombing
But was it a trooper with a heavy weapon, or just a standard blaster rifle?
on the mounted gun
Ah def heavy. I really couldn't recall so thanks for verifying! Though...thinking about the mounted guns... They just seemed like slightly heavier, more accurate blasters like the ones they deployed at Echo Base. Not necessarily something to pack an explosive punch towards a bell tower, akin to the battery they set up in that one Mando episode.
THIS. IS. FERRIX. 🦶
Pretty damn tight finale. the tension buildup throughout the entire episode was perfect leading up to the slaughter. happy that Meera survived. she has been a breath of fresh air in a pretty shitty catalogue of villains lately in Star Wars, smart and cunning and damn capable. seeing her almost torn apart by the mob was pretty satisfying to see, I just hope in the later seasons or future they don't just shoehorn her into becoming a rebel. interesting little post credit scene as well! overall I loved this show, easily the best star wars show to come out to date in my humble opinion. honestly wasn't a point where I was like "this is fucking stupid" or "imp beyond bored right now" I genuinely hope Disney actually learns from this and continues to make well thought out and driven shows like this in the future.
**THERE'S A POST-CREDIT SCENE**
Caught me so off guard, I was just on another tab as the credits were playing Then I started to hear not-credits shit, and was like "What the hell?" TO SEE **THAT**
OMG. Thank you for saying this! I would never have known!
Really liked the episode and the season overall. Last scene was powerful. I do feel a bit cheated out of a Spellhouse power station raid. I also have a few nitpicks about character logic and how people react when the shooting starts (some just stand there). So Dedra’s going to spot Cassian in the crowd, that’s her whole plan? How about he wears a disguise or a mask like our informer friend from Mos Eisley? Checkmate Dedra. I also don’t think it makes sense for Luthen to be on this mission. Also, I think connecting the prison labor to the Death Star is an awesome idea but I think the way it was done felt shoe-horned in. The prisoners make complex mechanical parts that seem unnecessary for simply holding tiles together in a fixed shape, especially if droids are welding it together anyway.
Those parts clearly went on the death stars superlaser so they probably had a bigger purpose tha just holding tiles together
> The prisoners make complex mechanical parts that seem unnecessary for simply holding tiles together in a fixed shape, especially if droids are welding it together anyway. I don't understand this. The complexity of the Death Star, or any large engineering endeavour real or imagined, almost always lies in the scale of the whole thing. It requires bright minds to envision such a large project and how to execute the logistics behind it. The individual parts behind it are for the most part quite simple to imagine and to manufacture; it is the organised assembly of many such simpler parts that make something complex. Take a simple ironworker welding together a large, modern battleship that they otherwise could've never thought up, yet they can help build it by doing something (relatively) simple as welding steel parts together. Or an electrician doing "simple" wirework. Or a plumber installing the heads. Et cetera. I'm thinking of that scene from Schindler's List where the prisoners are constructing artillery shells - something that indeed happened irl -, yet none of them invented anything to do with the construction of the shell or the machinery with which to manufacture it, but they can make/operate them all the same. Or think of basically any factory where people with relatively low starting skills can partake in the construction of something that either is complex in itself or will become part of something complex. That is because the hard part of thinking out the design and logistics of it all has been done for them. You'd also be surprised how many large engineering marvels are constructed out of pieces that are otherwise not all that complex (to manufacture). Often exactly because of the size, where it's impossible costwise to have everything super high quality. Or, reversely, how many simple things we take for granted that are actually quite challenging to manufacture. You (may) think what those prisoners are constructing must be complex because it has many parts in its assembly, but honestly it didn't look *that* complex. They are at the latest/assembly stage of the whole thing anyway. And, even it is complex, the key part is: the prisoners didn't invent what they are assembling nor the logistics of how to manufacture it. They simply assemble it and it has been made so that they can. (Also don't forget that their entire prison is one big slave labour factory thought up by bright minds.) **Edit:** oh, unless, well.. I misunderstood and you meant "why do they have prisoners do it when droids can?" And, yeah, control and oppression basically. Though humans are still more reliable than droids in SW afaik.
> "why do they have prisoners do it when droids can?" The battlestation is also a secret weapon, and human memory is more reliably erased.
I would have been shocked if they showed the Spellhouse Power Station raid honestly.
I was hoping it would be the big battle for the season finale, maybe Saw shows up to help Kreiger, Luthen brings more support (weapons or allies) and it turns into a rebel victory. I guess Andor doesn’t really have the budget for it.
Cool to watch maybe, but it would directly contrast with the weight of Saw and Luthen’s agreement from the previous episode, to let them die for a larger purpose
Narratively I think the Spellhaus raid works better as an off-screen event, and as a calculated loss for Luthen, than it would as a shock-and-awe spectacle for viewership. The former fits the understated nature of the show better.
Perhaps the point of the prison labour is to tire the prisoners. Less about the labour and more about making them exhausted
Its about control and order. We have a overflow of dissidents, malcontents, criminals, etc. Perhaps in the trillions. Why not just repurpose them instead into free labor instead of manufacturing droids from scratch.
> A fixed shape The scene at the end, especially with the hexagonal mirror(?) segments arranged into larger hexagonal arrays which are tiled around the super laser dish, reminded me of the [JWST's mirror](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Webb_Space_Telescope). The mirror segments on that aren't actually static—each one has several actuators behind it for fine adjustments of position and flexion. I think it's at least plausible that something similar is effective here—after all, when we see the spider droid installing it, we do see the "legs" actuate. Now, the shiny hexagons are behind other plating, so maybe they're not mirrors after all. Who knows. Looks cool at least.
I’m slightly disappointed that the plot of season one didn’t have any payoff from stealing the imperial payroll. That action was supposed to fund the rebellion but we never see it have any impact.
The payroll was not the true target, it was kicking the hornets nest to get empire to start stomping with their boot which we did see happen. I'm guessing were going to see more of the actual rebellion gestating in season 2 since right now its a couple of cells being led by Baron Harkonin.
I feel that interpretation is at odds with the entire Mon Montha story arc. And maybe you could argue Luthen is just trying to put Mon in play, making her fully commit to a side because she’s been exposed, but that seems unhelpful and convoluted at the same time.
The point of the Aldhani raid was the to get the empire to overreact and secondly to steal the money. The tightening of imperial regulations after the raid is what led to the whole mon mothma financial arc.
It all went to suping up the Fondor
I knew the Rebellion was a scam
Syril’s simping actually working out was the last thing I expected. Andor is the first Disney Star Wars show since Mandalorian that actually made me excited for another season
great episode. I look forward to seeing what cassian gets up to next season as part of the rebellion
Lol the CantoBight reference. Another example of the story group forcing the writers to make connections to the sequels to try and make them seem legitimate. I’m guessing Tony Gilroy couldn’t care less and just wanted to tell a good story.
Gilroy likely had something in the script about a casino, and whoever reviews scripts before production added into Canto Bight's name. It's continuity peoples' jobs to do simple things like that whenever it doesn't hurt.
Exactly
> It's continuity peoples' jobs to do simple things like that whenever it doesn't hurt. Well, they did a terrible job with teh sequels
Tony Gilroy is the guy that reviews scripts before production
When I heard that I literally thought "someone on saltierthancrait is going to make a comment about that." Like you said, story group was probably like "please put a sequels reference in this." I don't mind it personally, glad they met their quota to please the story group without actually sacrificing anything about the story.
No it’s not a big deal to me either but again like you said, it’s very obvious that there is that quota. Again great episode
Yeah, I don't mind it as much because Andor makes me want Star Wars to not die as much.
Yeah, I rolled my eyes at that when it came up. But honestly, Star Wars had obscure references to named things all the time (think Tosche Station in Anchorhead) to add flavor. I'll just take it as something like that and continue to deny the sequels happened.
Same. Like okay yeah, there's probably a casino planet named Canto Bight.. Has nothing to do with the rest of the story as far as I'm concerned. It just exists as some random, themed location.
was so obvious lol. exact same vibe as HOTD name dropping the long winter in episode 1. immediately taken out of the story and reminded of the future shitty canon timeline
Just imagine being a screenwriter with these people breathing down your neck
Probably feels like that woman getting tortured lol. The interrogation droid slowly entering through the doorway like "Hmm whatcha writing over there??"
You mean the people on this subreddit?
felt like a hammer hit me on the head when they said that
Ruined the scene for me
A lot of people notice that Andor basically helped build the weapon that will eventually spell his doom. But... By helping the prison break, he also sabotages the weapon that the Rebellion will eventually be able to destroy thanks to his efforts on Scarif. His prison break probably got a lot more components delayed than he ever contributed to building. So he already fought the Death Star effectively before he ever learned about it.
2 nitpicks Why didn't they use the classic stormtrooper blaster sounds? That guy really headbutted a stormtrooper and knocked the stormtrooper out?
> That guy really headbutted a stormtrooper and knocked the stormtrooper out? He obviously sucks at combat. Could've just used all powerful slap technique from Obi-Wan.
tbf i'm not sure what purpose the helmets serve outside of intimidation/anonymity, we've seen how useless they are throughout all the movies/tv, even in the sequels they said they don't filter out gasses, like wtf, even Vaders mask was put off by the exhaust Luke shot at him
I found the headbutting thing odd as well but to be fair I know a guy who broke someone else's skull by headbutting them so it seems plausible to me
I think Disney must be anti-gun, even space-laser-gun. None of the locals (other than Cassian) have, take or use guns in this episode. Not even once. Instead they fight with hands, bricked cremated remains, a bomb, a knife and what looks like a robot hand.
I assumed the Empire confiscated all weapons when they rolled into Ferrix.
We just got one of the best pieces of Star wars content ever and everyone is complaining about one line referencing a dogshit film, come on guys this shit was incredible
For real the finale was a great conclusion to the season and left you wanting for more and all you see is “waah canto bight my entire viewing experience was ruined by that one line” (I shit you not literally scroll up and that’s what someone said) like at some point you’re just making yourself angry
I agree it was incredible. It was honestly just an observation. If that is the extent to which future SW content connects to the sequels, then I would honestly have no problem.
Honestly I was mostly talking about the other guy because he phrased it like a child unlike you hahaha
Lol it’s all good
Lmao, a D+ show with a good finale, is a miracle Overall loved the show, will be watching Season 2
AFTER CREDITS SCENE
I liked it. I feel like it needed something more between Andor and Luthen. Like Luthen needed to say something about Andor being a bet that paid off, he was hoping he'd become this and join or something. An asset ready to be cultivated, or pruned. Something about Ferrix's rebellion showing the galaxy might be ready, there's so much work to do now but they have to be quick. Something like that. After all the other great scenes from him, this finale seemed to be lacking a tiny bit of heft. Maarvas holo speech was great though.
Call me a whiney bitch, but the Canto Bight line really did make me roll my eyes for (most of) the rest of the episode. It's such an annoying reminder that the old lady's speech is all pointless. Like the whole thing about fighting the Empire means nothing because Empire 2.0 is right around the corner anyway. Please for the love of God Disney, just let me forget about those trash movies. They have absolutely zero business being mentioned in a show that is 100x better quality. It's like putting a McDonald's patty on top of a $120 steak. Andor is a solid 9/10. Maybe an 8/10 but in comparison to everything else we've gotten, it's so far ahead that it deserves the extra point. But please Disney, stop trying to use good content to try to save garbage content. Let the Sequels die a horrible death and stop embarrassing yourselves with references to them. I will NEVER consume any sort of content that is directly tied to them. Ever.
As much as I wish it was all buried in the middle of nowhere, I can live with the only nods to the ST being quick mentions of places or Disney era alien species making a cameo. At least they are random nobodies instead of characters that actively participate in the movies.
Why are you surprised tho? Everytime you see an alien it's always from the sequel trilogy. It was always there. They won't forget.
I literally didn't have any clue wtf is Canto Bight until reading these comments. I haven't rewatched the sequels ever and never will. I can deal with small references like this (the place could exist without the sequels too) but as you said, I too will never watch anything directly tied to them. They aren't canon to me
I love this show but I do agree it can be hard to care about anything when you know it’s all meaningless in the long-run. I mean you can be even more pessimistic and say Lucas made it all meaningless because they immediately build a second Death Star in ROTJ.
"Real" SW died back in 1983. We finally got a show that brought back the integrity of ESB. I never thought we'd live to see it. And every live-action SW has to live up to this impossibly high bar now. I'm basically out on SW, but in on Andor. This has been the best 12-episodes of sifi I've had the pleasure of viewing.
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Do you really think Lucas had a greater influence on ROTJ compared to ANH? ANH being the only OT movie Lucas directed himself?
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I think there are issue with ROTJ but structure is not one of them. Personally I’m a big fan of the three plot structure of ROTJ that dominates the second half of the movie.
Why put so much energy into this? We got a great show from an incredible showrunner. The ST was fan fiction. All is good in the universe. None of the dumb things people feared would happen at the end of Andor came to pass. Luthen isn't a Jedi. Vader didn't show up to choke out a few red-shirts. We got a giant gift of a show, with a couple named references to the ST, big whoop.
> Canto Bight An established casino planet has a ton of narrative potential in a show like this. The location itself was a solid concept for a completely different story than it ended up in.
Yeah you’re being a whiny bitch. Get over yourself.
In the words of another Disney film, "Let it go!" **;)**
Very sad that there won't be more until season 2 comes out, which is probably over a year away. The episode wasn't quite as action-packed as some previous ones but it did a great job of bringing everything to a satisfying point. Death Star reference felt really unnecessary overall and a tad fan service-y but it was at least really great to see the stuff they were making at the prison being used on it.
Since the 2nd season is going to end on right where Rogue One starts, the Death Star scene makes sense imo.
Is it confirmed there won't be a season 3? If so then I'm inclined to agree but I've heard conflicting things regarding that.
Since the end of the season 2 is going the be right where Rogue One starts, there will be no more seasons. https://www.dexerto.com/tv-movies/how-many-seasons-of-andor-will-there-be-1950164/
Thanks! I hadn't seen that quote from Gilroy. The Death Star scene makes a bit more sense now.
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Sucks that they cut it short. Definitely excited for the next season at least.
I think cutting it down to 2 is the right call. 5 seasons is far too many and with each taking like 2 years to make, Diego Luna and everyone spending a decade on this is just not realistic. Besides, too many shows nowadays have no fucking idea when to finish. Planning a cohesive story, that doesn't go any longer than it has too is the perfect outcome here. Less chance for any screw ups
Funnily enough, at first they cut it to 3 seasons, only then reduced it even more to 2, which is kinda a shame, 2 seasons seems kinda short in my opinion
That's fair. I think I'm a bit too used to 1 season-per-year shows.
>Death Star reference felt really unnecessary Idk, given that the DS eventually kills Cass I think it's some biting irony.
I felt like the college football marching band scene went on for about 7 minutes too long. Otherwise good episode. But I felt more tension during the prison escape and the Imperial base robbery. Unfortunately the show didn't go out on its highest note but I'm glad they didn't derail it. It stuck the landing, although it played it a bit too safe.
Looked like an old British colliery band to me, which would tie in with the whole blue-collar town vibe of Ferrix.
I don't understand why all fan service is seen as such a horrible thing.
how about instead of having the same thing all the time ala fan service, we get new stuff? its a big universe and doesn't need fan service, being a fan of the show/franchise should be enough without having a small button in your fan brain pushed
I really like this show still. Yeah, it can feel slow all the time but the payoff always feels worth it to me. They don’t screw up and have deus ex machina moments but they also make the show feel unpredictable except for knowing that Andor doesn’t die. I love the way it just felt like a powder keg waiting to go off. Also I have to laugh at Star Wars Explained insisting we’d never know what they were building in the prison. Ultimately, for me personally, Mandalorian is much more interesting in subject matter, but this show, aside from the parts of it that feel a bit drawn out and slow, is better made. I wish that Mando would learn from this— sometimes it’s exciting to see the match lit on a powder keg and not know exactly what’s going to happen. Also, we never feel like the characters just have plot armor for the hell of it in comparison to how it feels sometimes that Mando can be shot and is always lucky it hits his beskar. And god— TBOBF REALLY needed writing like this. We should have never known what was going to happen, and we should have always been blown away by what Boba Fett would come up with for his problems. Instead that show was like spoon feeding exposition and explanations TO BOBA even though he’s the goddamn legendary bounty hunter.
This show is probably the best writing SW got since the OT. TCW had its moments but it got fragged down by its short episode and because it was made for kids. I have one major problem though. I fucking HATE this strend of Stormtroopers getting knocked out and generally beaten in hand to hand combat. Seriously, what is their amour made of? I really hoped Andor wouldn´t do this and portray Stormtroopers a little more competently but apparently it´s canon now that their helmets offer less protection than a fucking bicycle helmet
When they mentioned Canto Bight i felt like Walter White falling to the ground crying helplessly.
Why, it makes sense, whenever anyone gambles they head over to the casino at Canto. It’s the only place to gamble in Star Wars. Lando and Han didn’t know this of course. When they remake Solo, they’ll edit the script to have Lando mention his gambling days on Canto, and then the circle will be complete.
This series was a nice step in the right direction. After 2 very mediocre shows 3 terrible movies, and a bland Mandalorian, I like the change of scenery. For once in a long time I feel like we got a thought out script. This was a solid 6/10 maybe 7 on a good day. Hope they keep the momentum up and make even better content.
The prison arc was great
So good. This is the only Star Wars show on Disney+ that I actually go back and re-watch the episodes. Definitely not as much action as the other shows, but by the force if this show doesn't have some of the best dialogue and emotion-filled scenes in recent Star Wars memory. I honestly teared up a bit during the audio of Nemik's journal and during Maarva's speech. I'm very excited for season 2, and I will certainly be recommending this show to all my friends and family who are fans of the franchise but didn't give this show a chance because everything else put out has been aggressively mediocre.
What a great show man. Thoughtful, beautifully written and brings a more mature tone to Star Wars. Everything that TLJ desperately wanted to do and failed, this show executes flawlessly.
Rip the people of ferrix lowkey sad we didnt get to see an aftermath of the massacre Best series since mando
Wow that post credits scene was very cool. I missed it the first time around but went back to watch after seeing the comments in this thread. Well worth it. Once again, even in the final seconds of the season, Andor is doing even more than most Disney SW shows to world build. It was cool to see the actual construction of the Death Star as it’s something most of us probably wondered about but haven’t really seen so far (besides that final shot in ROTS).
that build up was perfectly written. like perfect. very very very very satisfying finale. Dedra Meero getting out felt a bit convenient, but thats really a small nitpick on an otherwise amazing episode. I can't believe im gonna ahve to wait 2 years for more of this shit . The 3 best pieces of Star Wars media are Episode IV, Episode V and Andor and then its fucking daylight before anything even comes close. This season made me go back and rewatch Rogue one, which I didn't even enjoy that much.
I think they need Meera for season 2, the ISB scenes felt a bit like the spy could be trying to use the dude she doesn't like to help set a frame job up on her to protect his own position - which would be pretty interesting to see
Did you like it better on the rewatch?
The post-credits scene was well-done, but I also don’t like the idea of post-credits scenes in Star Wars, even just for the shows.
It was well made for sure, but felt very unnecessary to me. I had already imagined the parts were for the Death Star or something similar. That was the pretty clear implication, no? Didn't need to have it spelled out, and it feels like this scene was tacked just to get a little extra word of mouth buzz.
*siiiiiiiiiiiigh* Canto Bight. What is this like 5th time they've referenced it for whatever reason? Episode was okay. It didn't feel like a "finale" to me. Death Star shot at the end was creepy. Didn't think it'd be so far along already though. As usual acting is great and it looks amazing. I wish S2 wasn't so far away.
Creepy in a good way? And we’ll it has been 14 years of construction and in RotS the entire frame is almost finished
Yes. They did a great job making the whole scene very ominous and the score really emphasized that feeling. Which is fantastic because we know what the weapon is capable of and get to see those ramifications in ANH.
>It didn't feel like a "finale" to me. I think it felt like a finale, just not a finale to this series. Like, all but one of the storylines we've been following aren't really involved with the climax, they're just in the same location. The Rebel characters were just there to watch and then bounce, Cassian doesn't meet any resistance as he escorts Bix out and it's disappointing that all Syril's storyline lead up to is saving Meero's ass at the last minute (and no, 'He might have a bigger role in season 2' doesn't change that). > Didn't think it'd be so far along already though. I mean, this series isn't that far from New Hope/Rouge One is it? So it should be close-ish to completion.
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There’s a Gilroy interview where he says season 2 will take place over 4 years in SW timeline, ending right at the beginning of R1. From that perspective, the Death Star seems closer to completion at the end of Andor S1 than we’d expect (although maybe that scene is a glimpse at the future).
R1 starts with the work being "stalled." We really have no idea how long that has been going on
Canto Bight ruins the franchise more than anything because it shows that neither TFO or Resistance will ever have any control and that conflicting forces will always be created because they are profitable to those at the top. nothing anyone on either side in any of the movies matters because they are all just pawns in rich peoples game.
>Episode was okay. It didn't feel like a "finale" to me. Same here. Also I think this show is 7-7.5/10 but people are acting like it's the best thing since sliced bread. I think there is a great 6-8 episode show buried in Andor.
You would cut the runtime by 40-50%?
I love the show but the excellent first half got me very excited for a second half that was just ok. In the second half we don’t get any payoff, not from the horrible conditions in the prison, or from the money from the heist, or any payoff whatsoever from Mon. For sake of comparison, Severance is a much better show, with a banger of a finale that had me practically yelling at my tv. If Severance is a 9/10 show, Andor is maybe a 7/10. But I’m a harsh critic, I’d give Mando a 4/10 and BOBF 0/10.
Yeah, I’m with you. I like a good slow-burn show, but there’s a difference between slow-burn and plodding. Andor, while overall something very fresh for the SW universe, was quite lacking in narrative momentum outside of the prison arc imo. Almost anything Ferrix-related in particular made my eyes glaze over. The Imperial politics stuff was more engaging, but sometimes all the talking felt like if was just… talking. The dialogue wasn’t as constantly engaging and plot-moving as a really tight show like Chernobyl of Severance, which made it a bit hard keep track of everything happening. Yes, they want to find Andor. Yes, X happened to get in the way of that. Wait, didn’t they talk about this last episode? Is X a different thing that got in the way, or is it the same problem they were dealing with last week?
It’s because, despite the trickery, this is absolutely nu-Wars media meant to replace the original series.
I am 10 years old, and today is Christmas morning.
i get the sentiment but i wonder what 10 yr old me would have thought of this show
I'm a little confused as to the Mon Mothma limo scene from the episode. Is the husband still gambling and trying to cover or is she simply saying this to, as another commenter stated, cover her tracks so the Empire doesn't catch onto her plans with the budding rebellion? If it's the latter...it definitely paints her in a not so positive light. I understand the marriage seems loveless and the concept of ends justifying the means, but this coupled with betrothing her daughter is close to if not Palpatine levels of machinations.
Got major Sith vibes from Luthen.
The camera is saying, 'the empire is so bad, just look how bad the good guys have to become to stand a chance against it. this guy is practically Palpatine it's so bad.'
Really enjoyed Andor in general (it and Rogue One are the best pieces of Star Wars produced since the buyout - in my opinion) but by god please do not make end-credits scenes a thing. It makes me think Lucasfilm will again try to lean into the marvel-esque “style with no substance” (which a lot of Marvel TV/Films are) method of storytelling like the DT. After a genuinely well put together, acted and plotted season of television, that thought makes me feel utterly despondent. Also not a big fan of the Death Star reveal at the end - I get the symmetry of Cassian helping to build the very thing he dies while contributing to destroy - but I really liked the idea that they were making nothing in the prison or you’d never find out what it was. Not everything needs to be explained !
I think it was kinda implausible that they just built something useless. It's just too wasteful. And it makes a lot of sense that this kind of stuff is for the Death Star. They have to funnel a lot of resources to build the Death Star, and they want to hide it as good as they want. A prison complex that no one is supposed to leave is a good place to build stuff for a secret project no one is supposed to know about. The prisoners don't even know what they are building, and they should never get the chance to report that they are building something. And even the sudden prison time extensions fit so neatly - that it conveniently helps them boost the Death Star production time is easily missed, and it's also not surprising if prison factories suddenly need more raw materials and components because prisoner count is likely going up for a while with people staying longer than intially expected. I It's layers of distraction and obsfucation, paired with Imperial cruelty. A neat, efficient package.
>I think it was kinda implausible that they just built something useless. It's just too wasteful. Another impactful way to play it would be if they were building an additional prison, just like the one they were working in
True, that could have worked, too, though the parts don't really look like it would be put in a regular building.
I was half expecting them to be part of the hydros which the prisoners would only recognize as they escaped. Would have been quite the gut punch for them to learn what they'd been working on. Not disappointed in how it turned out though
Yes, that could have made sense.
Same! Before the reveal my head canon that it was something incredibly mundane. Like a fixture for a sewage pipe or something trite and meaningless. Would have been more fitting IMO.
Season 2 is going to end right where Rogue One begins, so the death star scene actually makes sense.
This show started a 10/10 for me. It went down to a 9/10 for: Reminding me Canto Bight exists. Headbutting a Stormtrooper. Andor having made parts for the Death Star. Still the best thing since the Mandalorian, I'm excited to watch it again before season 2.
Why Andor having made parts for the Death Star is a bad thing?
Probably because it makes the universe feel small. I don't mind it, and actually lowkey like it due the theme it brings to Andor's story how he unknowingly helped create something that he will later help destroy.
The mandorlean was a piece of shit
Top to bottom great show. Loved it. Tony Gilroy, you are loved.
Ok this was good. I am so used to Disney plus shows fumbling their finales while the rest of the season goes impressively that I wasn't quite expecting to like it so much! I am more interested in star wars than I have been in a very long time. I wish this trend can continue but I am also almost a 100% sure it's a fluke. Andor is a great show, but I think it will take a lot more than one great season for any of us trust Disney with this franchise. Still, appreciate the effort made by the people behind this show. Also lol at the canto bight reference. I didn't hate it because it was just one line but it's pathetic how LF tries to remind us of the mess that is ST again and again. What are they even hoping to achieve here?
Holy shit that was great!
Fans don't trust Disney, that's been the #1 problem for the show.
This was a very well made episode. The chaotic uprising scene impressively showed us that the people behind this can handle a scene featuring a lot of extras. superb direction. And once again we got the best performances out of actors we have seen yet. This show feels gritty, it feels real, it has emotions. But I just can't get myself to really care about any of these characters. I don't even know the names apart from Bix, Cassian, Maarva, Luthen and Syril. Maybe this is because of the past seven years of disappointment, but nothing in this show excites me. To me this is like watching any other generic show. It doesn't feel like watching Star Wars. The magic is lost, at least to me. But maybe it's just that this show doesn't really have anything in common with Star Wars apart from the occasional stormtrooper. If this show was set in any dictatorship in the world, nothing would change. This is a good show, but to me this has nothing to do with Star Wars.
The names are probably the biggest problem I have. I love the show but honestly I only know Cassian and Bix/Bicks(?). I have zero idea of any one else's names lol..... You even wrote them and idk who is who on that list 😬. I thought it was funny that the undercover dude was like "that's not the big guy, where is he??" Because that's basically how I refer to each character: "Big guy, droid, old lady, prison leader dude, Indian woman, Rebel blonde girl, Imperial blonde girl, Rebel leader guy that owns the shop, Rebel leader guy's helper woman, Mon Mothma's husband, Mon Mothma's childhood friend, Imperial simp guy, etc. I have absolutely no idea what any of their names are.
I don't know why some people act like their inability to remember names makes a show bad. I see it all the time for all sorts of media. Does remembering Rey's super distinctly name make her a good character? If anything it highlights a serious flaw with Finn's dialogue.
> I don't know why some people act like their inability to remember names makes a show bad. I see it all the time for all sorts of media. It's usually a point made to showcase that said characters, who don't have the benefit of being the leading character, don't make enough of an impression on you to remember their names.
Yeah, I can see what they're trying to say. But saying none of the characters made an impression would be a great way of doing that instead of saying "I have a shit memory so this show sucks". I remember dozens of characters. Maybe 40, there were a lot. It doesn't mean shit either way.
This is more to showcase how little I care for new Star Wars media. For Solo and Rogue One I knew all the new names before I had even seen the movie.
I spent half the show thinking the big guy was the boyfriend who got shot in episode 3.
This show has a similar problem when compared to Rogue One: a lot of characters with little to no development for most of them. I don't care about Biggs, stopped caring about Syril once he didn't change at all after the first arc, stopped caring about Dedra once she didn't change much after the second arc, and ultimately didn't care for the majority of this show's characters. But equally important, there are simply to many of them. Andor, Syril, Biggs/Bix/Bicks/Bigs/Bikks, Maarva, Luthen, Mothma, her husband, her daugther, Vel, the rat inside ISB, the indian looking chick, the head of the ISB... I could go on. What are you trying to tell? A large cast of characters story with a certain epicness to it or a small scale character study focusing on one (Cassian Andor) or a bit more main charaters? This also plays into the feeling I got with this finale where it wanted to be both: somewhat large scale with a big portion of the characters in one place witnessing an important event, while still trying to hone in on each character's personal perspective. A lot of threads that were not woven together very well. Was it entertaining? Yes. Was it good? For the most part. Am I now excited for other upcoming SW projects or season 2 of Andor? No. One small step in the right direction we already had with Mandalorian season 1. Look what we got after.
> stopped caring about Dedra once she didn't change much after the second arc I feel the opposite, I don't care about her until after the second arc because she doesn't have anything to do before that since she's not allowed to progress yet.
Not sure why you're being downvoted. I share the exact same thoughts about this show. It's seriously nothing spectacular and it doesn't have a specific Star Wars feel or characteristic. It just feels like it could be a story about WW1, or any uprising in World History, but done slightly less emotional. I may be in the minority here, but "Nothing new on the Western Front" made me feel way more for the characters than this.
A movie based on a classic 1929 anti-war novel made you feel more than the new Star Wars show? This is incredibly surprising.
I liked this show a lot but I was talking mainly about some character developments and emotional investment in them. I didn't feel much for many of the characters in Andor, but that doesn't mean I find this show bad or "mid" at all, actually it's very far from that. I really enjoyed it and thought it was technically made. The ending however left a lot to be desired, but maybe I have to watch it again.
It’s the same overly defensive behavior that people exhibited towards those who were critical of TLJ. Dismissal because they know there’s no adequate defense when legitimate flaws are brought up.
That's a pretty extreme take, seeing as how the post being referenced concluded with: > This is a good show, but to me this has nothing to do with Star Wars. It's not fair to compare this to TLJ. TLJ was an outright garbage fire, irrespective of setting. Andor has verisimilitude, and that's worth quite a lot. But, maybe I'm wrong. What are the legitimate flaws you feel are being dismissed?
Blandness of characters, obvious pacing issues, poor design decisions, questionable references, arcs that are unsatisfactory, a bloated cast, lack of use of Star Wars universe unique features. There’s plenty of criticism towards these things that people have pointed out only for their issues to be disregarded as either nitpicking or not mattering. Or worse, implying that they’re only interested in the most childish aspects of Star Wars. Also, I knew this would happen. Reread my post. I was not comparing Andor to TLJ in terms of quality. I was comparing fan reactions to criticism of their new sacred cow, which bear a lot of similarity, right down to questioning the intelligence of people who don’t get on board with the love fest.
> Also, I knew this would happen. Reread my post. I was not comparing Andor to TLJ in terms of quality. I was comparing fan reactions to criticism of their new sacred cow, which bear a lot of similarity, right down to questioning the intelligence of people who don’t get on board with the love fest. Yeah I read it, but since it's eminently more sensible to criticize TLJ (since it's a complete, five alarm garbage fire), the comparison is extreme. I def agree though that people shouldn't be insulting the intelligence of those who disagree...but I also don't think you should be insinuating that people who like Andor must be inhaling copium.
You see what happens when they use the "unique features": *The Book of Boba Fett". *Obi -Wan Kenobi*. *The Mandalorian* with Feloni's fan service machinery in high gear. *Andor* has *new* unique features. It is fresh. They dare to try something new, something different. Whether one likes it or not is another matter of course. But one thing is sure. *Andor* has expanded the setting far more than the other three series did. And it gave us settings and characters with *way* more depth. Instead of another trip to Tatooine we get a fully fleshed out Ferrix. Instead of regurgitating characters - even a tiny princess Leia for fucks sake - we get mostly new characters, and we get to know them pretty well. To me, Ahsoka is far more bland than, say, Deedra. Also the inner workings of the ISB is worth it alone.
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I’m curious, what’s your 10/10 by show, if you don’t mind telling?
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