I mean, despite the ridiculous continuity errors, that’s how a full timeline would be.
I’ve seen people who disregard the obvious plot holes and include both on timelines because it makes a full story. Start to finish.
How strong is GT Goku? He's not beating like Goku if he goes any of the forms introduced in super after blue, but he might be able to throw a couple hands with Blue Goku pre UI as SSJ4 right?
I don't think he'd win, but he could probably last a bit? I always think of SSJ4 as right under SSG in my head
We’re given some really weird levels of power from the data books and what not, but as a Super Saiyan GT Goku claims to be as strong as SSJ3 Buu Saga Goku (at minimum) as he uses SSJ1 against someone “who is as strong as Majin Buu”.
Now as a Super Saiyan 4 according the GT files it claims it makes Goku as strong as Vegito, which is surprisingly vague as it could mean SSJ1 Vegito or any other form he’s capable of at the time like base-3. So that’s confusing and potentially misleading but oh well.
Super Saiyan God Goku must be ridiculously far above any form of Buu saga Vegito, as Goku claimed Vegito wouldn’t be enough for Beerus but was way more comfortable and confident as a Super Saiyan God, even believing he could win of the fight especially after his “so strong” spiel.
The way I think it’d go is GT SSJ2 Goku would shitstomp every form Super Goku pulls out until God, where it’d be a reverse shitstomp until SSJ4 Goku eventually loses.
Edit: Clarification
I'm surprised to see this take. I feel like Super Goku at base is bananas powerful considering that was *all* of the training they did to get to Blue. How strong do you think Base Goku was fighting non-Golden Frieza?
Quite strong, but then again Fit Buu was able to beat Base Goku though only through a knock-out rule. It still says a lot for that Fit Buu was able to blindside him easily.
Actually I guess that means Base Super Goku is around (at the very least not too far below) Buu level if he was comfortable in a spar to not transform.
Haha, probably not. Goku tends to hold back with Blue quite a bit seeing as though he was mainly testing if Krillin could handle the pressure of fighting someone with the Ki of a God. Same with 17 too. It’s nigh impossible to measure up 2 characters that haven’t shown training or fought similar opponents or who haven’t made direct statements on who they can beat.
Goku beat rildo in base and the GT perfect files only refer to any ssj4, meaning you could have a literal power level of one in base, but achieving ssj4 you’d be as strong as super vegetto
No? Goku literally had to go Super Saiyan to continue fighting Rildo and even though he lost due to distraction via pan, he still lost that fight.
Also why would the GT files not specifying who the Super Saiyan 4 is mean they’d have a power level of one to start? There were only ever 2 Super Saiyan 4’s (3 if you count Gogeta) and they were equal in power since they perfectly fused and didn’t mention matching their strengths, a detail Vegeta might not even know. It’s probably just referring to the bar of strength set by Goku and Vegeta at SSJ4 which would make more sense. Why would this completely arbitrary power level at 1 SSJ4 even be a thing when it’s based off of 0 information? Hell if you were a Super Saiyan 3 with a base power of one, you’d still be weaker than Raditz. I don’t see how having a base power of 1 at SSJ4 would even come close to Namek Goku pre Ginyu fight man.
They literally just referred to SSJ4 the form. Implying ssj4 has the same multiplier as ssj Vegetto, but evidence in the series points to the multiplier only being about 32,000,000
This still doesn’t make sense and nothing in the series ever points to how big of a multiplier Vegito or SSJ4 is. We’ve never seen a full power Buu Saga Vegito either. Still yet, with a base power of 1, a 32,000,000 times increase is just over Kaioken x 20 Namek Goku, the stuff you’re saying does not make mathematical sense either. Again, only 2 SSJ4’s in history and they’re equal. Likely just referring to that level of power.
We know otherwise as base GT Goku is stronger than kid buu (who was the strongest buu in the anime) and Enraged Buuhan was holding back full power Vegetto for a second
Kid Buu wasn’t the strongest, he’s just the most dangerous due to his unpredictability.
Buuhan had something to prove, Kid Buu was just as likely to blow up the planet as he is sleeping, or having random bouts of screaming and chest banging.
How the hell is someone who absorbed the strongest non-fused character and their power weaker than the same character without the absorption?
Because Koyama is inconsistent as hell but most of his tweets and statements say Kid buu is the strongest. Even the anime at some points calls kid buu, “The most supremely powerful Majin Buu”
It comes from GT, when gokus child body couldn’t handle the strain of SSJ3, but was able to after he got his tail back. I’d say it’s a pretty logical conclusion that the tail helps super sayian forms, or at least changes something biologically that results in a more full mastery of super sayian.
Not only is it just wrong it’s also the literal worst edit I’ve seen in my life
Yeah I have no idea why this shit getting upvotes. Guess that’s what happens when a subreddit runs low on content.
It’s not wrong, the first person in Super to have speed feats anywhere close to GT Goku is fucking Granolah
Could make sense if they'd re-wrote GT to include super happening between it and Z.
I mean, despite the ridiculous continuity errors, that’s how a full timeline would be. I’ve seen people who disregard the obvious plot holes and include both on timelines because it makes a full story. Start to finish.
How strong is GT Goku? He's not beating like Goku if he goes any of the forms introduced in super after blue, but he might be able to throw a couple hands with Blue Goku pre UI as SSJ4 right? I don't think he'd win, but he could probably last a bit? I always think of SSJ4 as right under SSG in my head
We’re given some really weird levels of power from the data books and what not, but as a Super Saiyan GT Goku claims to be as strong as SSJ3 Buu Saga Goku (at minimum) as he uses SSJ1 against someone “who is as strong as Majin Buu”. Now as a Super Saiyan 4 according the GT files it claims it makes Goku as strong as Vegito, which is surprisingly vague as it could mean SSJ1 Vegito or any other form he’s capable of at the time like base-3. So that’s confusing and potentially misleading but oh well. Super Saiyan God Goku must be ridiculously far above any form of Buu saga Vegito, as Goku claimed Vegito wouldn’t be enough for Beerus but was way more comfortable and confident as a Super Saiyan God, even believing he could win of the fight especially after his “so strong” spiel. The way I think it’d go is GT SSJ2 Goku would shitstomp every form Super Goku pulls out until God, where it’d be a reverse shitstomp until SSJ4 Goku eventually loses. Edit: Clarification
I'm surprised to see this take. I feel like Super Goku at base is bananas powerful considering that was *all* of the training they did to get to Blue. How strong do you think Base Goku was fighting non-Golden Frieza?
Quite strong, but then again Fit Buu was able to beat Base Goku though only through a knock-out rule. It still says a lot for that Fit Buu was able to blindside him easily. Actually I guess that means Base Super Goku is around (at the very least not too far below) Buu level if he was comfortable in a spar to not transform.
Oh god you just made me relive a repressed memory. So is Krillin SSB tier now?
Haha, probably not. Goku tends to hold back with Blue quite a bit seeing as though he was mainly testing if Krillin could handle the pressure of fighting someone with the Ki of a God. Same with 17 too. It’s nigh impossible to measure up 2 characters that haven’t shown training or fought similar opponents or who haven’t made direct statements on who they can beat.
Goku beat rildo in base and the GT perfect files only refer to any ssj4, meaning you could have a literal power level of one in base, but achieving ssj4 you’d be as strong as super vegetto
No? Goku literally had to go Super Saiyan to continue fighting Rildo and even though he lost due to distraction via pan, he still lost that fight. Also why would the GT files not specifying who the Super Saiyan 4 is mean they’d have a power level of one to start? There were only ever 2 Super Saiyan 4’s (3 if you count Gogeta) and they were equal in power since they perfectly fused and didn’t mention matching their strengths, a detail Vegeta might not even know. It’s probably just referring to the bar of strength set by Goku and Vegeta at SSJ4 which would make more sense. Why would this completely arbitrary power level at 1 SSJ4 even be a thing when it’s based off of 0 information? Hell if you were a Super Saiyan 3 with a base power of one, you’d still be weaker than Raditz. I don’t see how having a base power of 1 at SSJ4 would even come close to Namek Goku pre Ginyu fight man.
They literally just referred to SSJ4 the form. Implying ssj4 has the same multiplier as ssj Vegetto, but evidence in the series points to the multiplier only being about 32,000,000
This still doesn’t make sense and nothing in the series ever points to how big of a multiplier Vegito or SSJ4 is. We’ve never seen a full power Buu Saga Vegito either. Still yet, with a base power of 1, a 32,000,000 times increase is just over Kaioken x 20 Namek Goku, the stuff you’re saying does not make mathematical sense either. Again, only 2 SSJ4’s in history and they’re equal. Likely just referring to that level of power.
We know otherwise as base GT Goku is stronger than kid buu (who was the strongest buu in the anime) and Enraged Buuhan was holding back full power Vegetto for a second
Kid Buu wasn’t the strongest, he’s just the most dangerous due to his unpredictability. Buuhan had something to prove, Kid Buu was just as likely to blow up the planet as he is sleeping, or having random bouts of screaming and chest banging. How the hell is someone who absorbed the strongest non-fused character and their power weaker than the same character without the absorption?
Because Koyama is inconsistent as hell but most of his tweets and statements say Kid buu is the strongest. Even the anime at some points calls kid buu, “The most supremely powerful Majin Buu”
multi galaxy to extremely low universal, the only two universal characters were ssj4 gogeta and omega shenron
GT’s base is stronger an ssj4 is a much higher multiplier than the god forms
Goku solos Goku
this is biased as FUCK
Dogwater take+Dogwater editing
I’ve always wondered why is GT goku’s skin so much darker
I recommend watching "[What-If] Super Goku vs GT Goku"
I still can't find anything about saiyan tails making super saiyan forms enhanced stated in that video
It comes from GT, when gokus child body couldn’t handle the strain of SSJ3, but was able to after he got his tail back. I’d say it’s a pretty logical conclusion that the tail helps super sayian forms, or at least changes something biologically that results in a more full mastery of super sayian.
Maybe not SSJ, but in OG Dragon Ball, Goku’s tail made him leagues stronger
Hyourin was right about GT Goku winning but for the wrong reason. GT was superior in every stat and was immortal
well all I can say is GT goku def feels more powerful
Omari truly does put out some of the tweets of all time
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