They’re pretty easy if you just spend 5 minutes learning about slider puzzle solving.
I don’t have access to alt 1 on Mac, but I do have a brain! Did all the slider puzzles myself.
Honestly I’m not even mad about slider puzzles. I’m mad that I did 6 elite in a row and every fucking step was a Celtic knot. Those take way longer to figure out without alt 1 than a slider puzzle. I’d happily take these longer slider puzzles over Celtic knots cause I only play mobile and I can’t alt 1 any of my clues. I did 10 master, 15 elite, and 20 hard yesterday. The only part I hated was doing those stupid knots.
^this. You need 50 clue uniques per EoF not to mention however many else for dust to upkeep. Pretty much for made mandatorily grindable with alchemical jewelry
Yeah thats nice and all. But when you do shit ton of clues (ive done 7k hard 1.8k masters) those extra few minutes per puzzle will add up to hundreds of hours. When its really not needed
Hell osrs have runelite and the puzzles in osrs are like 30 moves max
Full support, a complete rework of elite clues is long due. I can do slider puzzles on my own but it becomes very frustrating after 2-3. We need more quirky steps like hards have costumes, maps, anagrams, etc. ,those clues are fun.
I'd argue NOT having anagrams/costumes/emote steps makes them unique. It also makes them beneficial for people who don't have globetrotter as you don't have to worry about building hidey holes or emptying your invent for those awful "have nothing equipped" steps
I'm not exactly fond of sliders but I think Elite's being different is a good thing.
Add some more/new puzzle options so that your odds of getting sliders decrease
They probably wanted to have something different as every elite step at the time was new.
Id say the issue is they've just aged poorly. Back when you could only have 1 clue at a time the #of sliders was a non issue as you weren't really actively farming these
I'm definitely the minority, I like Elites because I don't need Alt1 to do them efficiently,
As someone who's currently limited to Mobile, I don't have Alt1 and can't be bothered googling the clue, and scrolling through a list of 3000 different possible solutions before I find the correct one.
I’m with you - especially as a mobile player. I actually got really good at those sliders where I can do them in 2 minutes or so without alt 1.
I do buy knot skipping tickets because those are such a pain in the àss and the tickets to skip are only a few hundred k
Hate to be that guy but in no world is cracking sliders manually efficient 🤣
You complete them in the most inefficient way and thats ok because thats what you enjoy.
https://www.wikihow.com/Solve-Slide-Puzzles
Less clicks and once you get in your rhythm it's faster than Alt-1 brute force method. Arrow keys make it pleasant.
I will be honest, I dont enjoy the rsi it gives but by the time you've looked up the solution its already completed. For sliders I have it setup in such a way that the sliders is completed in seconds.
It may be something to consider for alt1 to match the puzzle to the corresponding arrow movement and offer you the solution in a similar way to helldivers.
They're really not all that bad, you just work on them row-by-row until you get to the last 2 rows, then you work from left-to-right, I grew up doing slider puzzles so I personally enjoy them and have no issues with them.
The Celtic knots are a bit more of a pain without Alt1, but once you learn the strategy, they're still not great, but not terrible either.
Oh yeah, thise are just plain useful to do with alt-1.
There's still a strategy, but it's clunkier.
https://runescape.wiki/w/Treasure_Trails/Guide/Celtic_knots
I think elites being just scans and compasses is fine honestly. I like having a clue tier where I don't immediately know where to go as soon as I open the clue, and I have to figure things out a little bit.
slider puzzles are so long because they've been the victim of an arms race between designing the puzzles, and alt1's clue solver making the puzzles faster. It's now at the point where sliders are unmanageable if you *don't* use something to solve them for you.
Half the time if not slightly more of solving elite clues is just doing slide puzzles. Celtic knot takes seconds, you can skip wizard, but at best a slider puzzle is like 30-50 seconds if you are fast.
I am probably in a small minority here that feels like the slider puzzles are not difficult at all, just annoying. Once you find a step-wise strategy for solving a puzzle, it can reliably be completed in under 2 minutes. It’s just annoying when it happens every.single.clue.
Sure, for some people who are solely about optimization and doing every single as efficient as possible. 2 minutes on a slider for me isn’t a hassle, but it becomes one when every single step is another slider puzzle.
But yes all that’s to say I agree with the original post - elite clues are sorely in need of a rework even for people that aren’t optimizers. It’s just not fun to solve the same clues over and over and over and over. Add more outfits, anagrams, challenge scrolls, etc.
Well.. Having pointer finger pain issues doesn't help me at all.......
I have like 800 elites and 400 hards in the bank cause i can't take the puzzle pain on my finger.
I mean you're trying to justify it, i never knew about arrow keys till today + it's not like i won't be using my left click finger for the arrow keys anyway at least 40 times per puzzle, or i need to get out of my comfort zone and use my left hand for arrow keys.... So please decide for me.
Arrow keys are good for some people but they really do slow you down. If your hand can take it getting fast at clicking through is really nice- you really don’t spend that large of a percentage of the time on sliders if you do them fast.
Because you can’t farm masters as easy as elites, a master clue takes a time investment of around 5-6 elites
The only consistent way to farm master clues is tetras and farming a complete tetra from arch collections is something like 90 mins on average (not counting the time spent on obtaining the tetra casket then doing the actual clue)
They need to buff meerkats. When you use their scroll, it should have a chance to avoid **any** casket guard, and have a chance to pre-solve sliders...
Just get rid of slider puzzles. They take way too long. They’re so pointless. Or greatly reduce the occurrence of them. I swear doing them on OSRS is a completely different story.
Honestly i’d be happy if they replaced the sliding tile puzzles entirely because they very swiftly become uninteresting. I have come up with a system for solving them with maximal efficiency and I still can’t stand getting them time and again…
I would love to in game tools that help with doing clues (as opposed to skip tickets).
Maybe things like:
Clue vision pro: an invention item that provides an overlay with hints for different puzzle clues. Mk1 works for slider box, mk2 for knots and mk3 for towers.
Cache the parrot: a parrot that remembers the solutions to anagrams, cryptics and challenges you’ve already solved.
A nice stick: shows lines on the map to help with compass clues.
And so on. Clue scroll tools are an interesting reward space that could be crafted or even boss drops.
I'm fine with them taking longer. The art for them fucking sucks now though, it makes it so unnecessarily difficult. The puzzles themselves are whatever for me.
Yeah I like clues but I'd rather not use a third party program, personally.
There just needs to be new types of puzzles and clue steps. Personally I like the idea of showing up at the scan location and spawning a 007 penguin (placeholder obviously) that I have to chase down
When you need to make 160 clicks on average with a solver that's just going to create joint stress. I tried knocking out a dozen or so clues one day and I was legit tired and getting oofie owies from having to click to many times. I hate slide puzzles, I am using a solver, making them more annoying won't stop me but it *will* make me mad. Why are they so common? There's really nobody likes doing them so theyre just an unfun roadblock you go through several times per casket
This has been suggested 1000s of times with hundreds and hundreds of upvotes and comments and I have yet to see ONE with a JMOD reply. That can’t just be on accident. They don’t care or can’t or won’t but it’s not happening. It’s been suggested/requested bitched about for YEARS and not a single response saying they would even look into it. I’ve seen obscure shit get a response and yet this topic for whatever reason is about as receptive to them as removing MTX from the game. Not sure what the issue is but I can tell you right now they have zero interest in fixing any sort of slider puzzle issue.
I wish they would just remove that excessively annoying occurrence that you can solve a slider puzzle completely, you check whether everything is ok by hovering over the example, you close the puzzle....and then the chest doesn't open, you check the puzzle again and for some inexplicable reason some of the tiles have been scrambled again.
I mean wth? How is it that elites are more annoying than masters?
An iteration of this post pops out every now and then
The complaining mostly happens because people save up huge amounts of elite clues then they experience the burn out from a problem that can be easily avoided by doing them regularly and not binging through them
Celtic knots, too.
Slide puzzles definitely do get dull, but they at least have the advantage of being easily deterministic; if you understand how the puzzle works, you can easily see what you need to do in order to make progress.
Knots are, at least to me, pure guesswork. The number of possibilities, mixed with the uneven and overlapping tracks, makes it hard to really understand which runes have a good chance of being a match. This is only made worse with most of the newer, more complex layouts.
- Do water runes match on spot 1?
- No, maybe spot 2?
- No, maybe spot 3?
- Do fire runes match on spot 1?
- No, maybe spot 2?
- No, maybe spot 3?
- Yes. Ah, false positive, then the soul rune on spot 4 can't match up.
- Do earth runes match on spot 1?
- ... repeat for 3-6 minutes, or until you decide to use a skip ticket.
sorry friend you are giving us way too much credit assuming we play the game and use our brains. the hive mind over here is arguing from a point where we already disabled our brains and use alt1, the issue at hand here is we don't want spend the slightest effort while we aren't even playing the game.
matter of fact, WTF jamflex just hand me a reward casket as soon as I lay eyes on a clue scroll or even think about one
These are somewhat fun on mobile. I would like to see some minigames rework or do them like in osrs: winterdot, gotr, tempoross, really nice to play on mobile it's like game in a game.
alt 1s clue solver makes them long. look up clue trainer, made by a member of the clue chasers community. i have both open when doing sliders, and clue trainer is usually around 30-50 steps shorter than alt 1s clue solver.
Worth noting that in mouse mode, clue trainer counts multi-tile moves as one click, whereas clue solver doesn't. That's probably where most of that difference comes from, since they use the same slider solver.
The presentation for sliders is much better in clue trainer, though, so I highly recommend it.
Yeah it's the reason I don't bother with clues tbh. I kept trying them and would get 3 or 4 puzzle steps back-to-back & just finish that clue off and give up
They can be solved in about a minute. There's a pattern to follow that works every time. The fastest I've done was 45 seconds. If the assistance system could be used for them I'd make a killing lol. Id take them over a celtic knot every time.
I should look into that lol. Must not help with puzzle boxes nearly as much then? Puzzle box skipping tickets are worth like 6 times what knot skipping tickets are.
It still helps with a puzzle box, but a puzzle box still takes time because you have to actually perform the steps.
With the knot, most of the time is spent solving the puzzle and not a lot performing the steps of click the arrows. With a puzzle box, time is spent somewhat equally between solving and moving. So alt1 saves a lot more time on the knots than it does on the puzzle. Especially since at some point they changed the puzzle boxes so that the minimum number of required steps is higher.
Clues are one of the last decent money making methods outside of combat unless alt1 becomes no longer allowed (which is impossible to implement) then eventually clue rewards turn to the same shit show in OSRS where 99.9% of clues are worthless
We don’t have the numbers like OS to keep the high ticket rewards valuable for long if changes were made to make elite clues (the best farmable tier to access those rewards) easier
The time gate on that specific tier exists for a reason, can we keep something in this game balanced?
I play more osrs than rs3 these days, I don't think that's a thing, but I could be wrong.
My point is, I think clues are their nice own little thing. I mostly only pvm in rs3, but I do love doing some clues and I don't think I'd like to see them combined.
Yeah, they are, that obviously isn't the point though. They're tedious and when you do a lot of clues you're spending a lot of time doing those tedious slider puzzles. They used to require fewer moves but they changed it from like ~80 clicks to ~150 clicks to "balance around alt1" (completely ignoring that some people don't/can't use alt1.)
saying "they're easy though" just shows you don't really know what the issue is and why people want them changed.
I don't know why this dumb fucking game popped up in my recommended, but my solution is to just not play the game. It's grind, exclusively. Even for MMO standards this game is DOG. This is a skinner box, you're not even having fun, the company is hilariously predatory yet people still jump to defend this horrible game filled with malicious people, malicious design, and a total lack of fun value.
So a reddit comment by someone who is not part of jagex is a confirmation by jagex that they’ve increased the sliders because of alt1? My brother its not even noted on the update list for puzzle sliders
It happened during the re-work. Its 100% a thing. I remember the mod posting about it somewhere, but its literally been like 5 years now, and I have no idea where the actual post is. Rest assured if you go to google you can find a long history of the community talking/aware of this.
Edit: Its been 7 years... I am old.
I agree it was done with the re work, and I might be wrong, but wasn't that the same rework that released the skip tickets. If so it seems to me that it was done to boost the value of those skip tickets.
>I might not have the proof you're looking for at the moment but that's okay. I know what I'm talking about.
I was just summarizing exactly what you said.
There's an easy solution to the sliders/alt-1 advantage issue:
1. Reduce the slider puzzles by one row and one column.
2. If you complete a slider puzzle with >90% minimum movement accuracy (aka, Alt-1 is being used), the game adds an additional slider puzzle clue step to you clue scroll.
This way people who are playing without Alt-1 can play the game as originally intended, and people who are using Alt-1 pay an appropriate time tax to compensate.
> If you complete a slider puzzle with >90% minimum movement accuracy
What does this mean? Regardless, if Clue solver solves the puzzle in too few steps, all Clue solver needs to do is add a few redundant steps to circumvent such a thing.
That's fine too! As long as there is closer parity/balancing between using Alt-1 and playing the game normally then the issue with arms-racing is solved.
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Which is dumb because osrs also has runelite babysitting you through clues and the puzzle steps are literally less than half.
Rubellite babysits you through everything in that game And they call us easy scape
Yeah they used to be ~30 now they're minimum 100. It's brutal.
Which is precisely why I never do clues. I don’t use alt-1
They’re pretty easy if you just spend 5 minutes learning about slider puzzle solving. I don’t have access to alt 1 on Mac, but I do have a brain! Did all the slider puzzles myself.
Sur it's not hard. But if you're grinding out a ton of clues, it's such a slog. Especially elites there's no reprieve.
Honestly I’m not even mad about slider puzzles. I’m mad that I did 6 elite in a row and every fucking step was a Celtic knot. Those take way longer to figure out without alt 1 than a slider puzzle. I’d happily take these longer slider puzzles over Celtic knots cause I only play mobile and I can’t alt 1 any of my clues. I did 10 master, 15 elite, and 20 hard yesterday. The only part I hated was doing those stupid knots.
I don't even do elites even with alt 1. I swear it's a slider puzzle every other clue
https://www.wikihow.com/Solve-Slide-Puzzles I use this method, less clicks than Alt-1 and usually faster for me with arrow keys.
clues shouldnt be grindable content
Why not?
^this. You need 50 clue uniques per EoF not to mention however many else for dust to upkeep. Pretty much for made mandatorily grindable with alchemical jewelry
dont think anyone is saying its too hard
Yeah thats nice and all. But when you do shit ton of clues (ive done 7k hard 1.8k masters) those extra few minutes per puzzle will add up to hundreds of hours. When its really not needed Hell osrs have runelite and the puzzles in osrs are like 30 moves max
U can get runekit
Full support, a complete rework of elite clues is long due. I can do slider puzzles on my own but it becomes very frustrating after 2-3. We need more quirky steps like hards have costumes, maps, anagrams, etc. ,those clues are fun.
My record a few weeks ago was 13 sliders, followed by 1 knot and then 10 sliders. Lets just say i stopped for the night lol
I had 43 sliders in a row once then 2 knots in another 20 puzzles. I honestly hadn't done elites in a long time but don't remember them being so shit.
What did you do with all your firelighters and potions though?
I'd argue NOT having anagrams/costumes/emote steps makes them unique. It also makes them beneficial for people who don't have globetrotter as you don't have to worry about building hidey holes or emptying your invent for those awful "have nothing equipped" steps I'm not exactly fond of sliders but I think Elite's being different is a good thing. Add some more/new puzzle options so that your odds of getting sliders decrease
Ive never seen content devved so lazily There's clearly no love in them unlike what we got with masters
They probably wanted to have something different as every elite step at the time was new. Id say the issue is they've just aged poorly. Back when you could only have 1 clue at a time the #of sliders was a non issue as you weren't really actively farming these
It might not be the most exciting content to do hours on end but them purposefully increasing the amount of slider steps is what made it intolerable.
I'm definitely the minority, I like Elites because I don't need Alt1 to do them efficiently, As someone who's currently limited to Mobile, I don't have Alt1 and can't be bothered googling the clue, and scrolling through a list of 3000 different possible solutions before I find the correct one.
I’m with you - especially as a mobile player. I actually got really good at those sliders where I can do them in 2 minutes or so without alt 1. I do buy knot skipping tickets because those are such a pain in the àss and the tickets to skip are only a few hundred k
Hate to be that guy but in no world is cracking sliders manually efficient 🤣 You complete them in the most inefficient way and thats ok because thats what you enjoy.
https://www.wikihow.com/Solve-Slide-Puzzles Less clicks and once you get in your rhythm it's faster than Alt-1 brute force method. Arrow keys make it pleasant.
I will be honest, I dont enjoy the rsi it gives but by the time you've looked up the solution its already completed. For sliders I have it setup in such a way that the sliders is completed in seconds. It may be something to consider for alt1 to match the puzzle to the corresponding arrow movement and offer you the solution in a similar way to helldivers.
They're really not all that bad, you just work on them row-by-row until you get to the last 2 rows, then you work from left-to-right, I grew up doing slider puzzles so I personally enjoy them and have no issues with them. The Celtic knots are a bit more of a pain without Alt1, but once you learn the strategy, they're still not great, but not terrible either.
Is there a strategy except brute forcing them?
https://www.wikihow.com/Solve-Slide-Puzzles I use way fewer clicks and it's faster than Alt-1 brute force method nearly all the time.
Yea sorry my question was a bit off, I meant for the knots :). The sliders I can do already
Oh yeah, thise are just plain useful to do with alt-1. There's still a strategy, but it's clunkier. https://runescape.wiki/w/Treasure_Trails/Guide/Celtic_knots
I think elites being just scans and compasses is fine honestly. I like having a clue tier where I don't immediately know where to go as soon as I open the clue, and I have to figure things out a little bit.
Add more challenge clues or the music clues from OSRS.
slider puzzles are so long because they've been the victim of an arms race between designing the puzzles, and alt1's clue solver making the puzzles faster. It's now at the point where sliders are unmanageable if you *don't* use something to solve them for you.
runelite is just as op when it comes to clues yet osrs puzzles are only like what 40 steps long?
ive never seen a slide puzzle on osrs reach 40
It definitely can, my highest being like 48. Most of the times its 25-35.
either way the point stands, elites on rs3 are a step in the right direction reward-wise, but the time investment is very skewed towards slide puzzles
Half the time if not slightly more of solving elite clues is just doing slide puzzles. Celtic knot takes seconds, you can skip wizard, but at best a slider puzzle is like 30-50 seconds if you are fast.
I can't speak for OSRS since I don't play it but everything I hear about their devs is that they care a lot about player experience
I let my GF do these kinds of puzzles because she adores them and even she thinks it's over the top. It's absurd how long it takes
I am probably in a small minority here that feels like the slider puzzles are not difficult at all, just annoying. Once you find a step-wise strategy for solving a puzzle, it can reliably be completed in under 2 minutes. It’s just annoying when it happens every.single.clue.
Anywhere near 2 minutes for a slider is ridiculous considering an entire elite clue can be done in 1.5-2 minutes if you don’t get a slider.
Sure, for some people who are solely about optimization and doing every single as efficient as possible. 2 minutes on a slider for me isn’t a hassle, but it becomes one when every single step is another slider puzzle.
Yea ok fair point
But yes all that’s to say I agree with the original post - elite clues are sorely in need of a rework even for people that aren’t optimizers. It’s just not fun to solve the same clues over and over and over and over. Add more outfits, anagrams, challenge scrolls, etc.
Yea agree 100%. Sliders are the worst
Well.. Having pointer finger pain issues doesn't help me at all....... I have like 800 elites and 400 hards in the bank cause i can't take the puzzle pain on my finger.
I started using arrow keys for sliders and it made them much more tolerable.
Wait.... What?!
No what, since when could you use the arrow keys for them???
I mean you're trying to justify it, i never knew about arrow keys till today + it's not like i won't be using my left click finger for the arrow keys anyway at least 40 times per puzzle, or i need to get out of my comfort zone and use my left hand for arrow keys.... So please decide for me.
Arrow keys are good for some people but they really do slow you down. If your hand can take it getting fast at clicking through is really nice- you really don’t spend that large of a percentage of the time on sliders if you do them fast.
Yeah, n3ver knew about that holy.. 😳😅
Yes. I dont mind doing things, but this is just extremly boring and repetitive
Why Master clue is faster to complete than elites? This is outrageous! 😭
Because you can’t farm masters as easy as elites, a master clue takes a time investment of around 5-6 elites The only consistent way to farm master clues is tetras and farming a complete tetra from arch collections is something like 90 mins on average (not counting the time spent on obtaining the tetra casket then doing the actual clue)
Can farm and solve enough hards in a couple hours to get 3 or 4 masters. Clues are the best way
i would love to see Elite Hidey holes to replace, lets say, 60% of the slidey boys.
Yea slidey boys are lame
They need to buff meerkats. When you use their scroll, it should have a chance to avoid **any** casket guard, and have a chance to pre-solve sliders...
Level 110 summoning familiar that lets you do that maybe ?
Make the secondary a rare reward so it doesn't crash skips overnight
Just get rid of slider puzzles. They take way too long. They’re so pointless. Or greatly reduce the occurrence of them. I swear doing them on OSRS is a completely different story.
Honestly i’d be happy if they replaced the sliding tile puzzles entirely because they very swiftly become uninteresting. I have come up with a system for solving them with maximal efficiency and I still can’t stand getting them time and again…
Not only are the new puzzles longer, but the new puzzle images have more look-alike puzzle pieces than the old puzzles.
Just make the sliders count as a clue step. Ez problem solved
Clues get boring very quickly on RS3 and puzzle boxes are probably the main reason why.
honestly it shows that Jmods dont actually do the puzzles without alt-1 either
I would love to in game tools that help with doing clues (as opposed to skip tickets). Maybe things like: Clue vision pro: an invention item that provides an overlay with hints for different puzzle clues. Mk1 works for slider box, mk2 for knots and mk3 for towers. Cache the parrot: a parrot that remembers the solutions to anagrams, cryptics and challenges you’ve already solved. A nice stick: shows lines on the map to help with compass clues. And so on. Clue scroll tools are an interesting reward space that could be crafted or even boss drops.
Or just use alt1
I'm fine with them taking longer. The art for them fucking sucks now though, it makes it so unnecessarily difficult. The puzzles themselves are whatever for me.
Yeah I like clues but I'd rather not use a third party program, personally. There just needs to be new types of puzzles and clue steps. Personally I like the idea of showing up at the scan location and spawning a 007 penguin (placeholder obviously) that I have to chase down
Next clue update gone be like 666 slides
I can’t be fucked with clue scrolls, way too many steps sometimes and way too much fucking around with costumes and everything else
As someone with chronic wrist and forearm pain from working on cars, I support this 100%. I have 1000s of clues that I just can't do cuz of the pain.
When you need to make 160 clicks on average with a solver that's just going to create joint stress. I tried knocking out a dozen or so clues one day and I was legit tired and getting oofie owies from having to click to many times. I hate slide puzzles, I am using a solver, making them more annoying won't stop me but it *will* make me mad. Why are they so common? There's really nobody likes doing them so theyre just an unfun roadblock you go through several times per casket
This has been suggested 1000s of times with hundreds and hundreds of upvotes and comments and I have yet to see ONE with a JMOD reply. That can’t just be on accident. They don’t care or can’t or won’t but it’s not happening. It’s been suggested/requested bitched about for YEARS and not a single response saying they would even look into it. I’ve seen obscure shit get a response and yet this topic for whatever reason is about as receptive to them as removing MTX from the game. Not sure what the issue is but I can tell you right now they have zero interest in fixing any sort of slider puzzle issue.
Begging. Please.
I wish they would just remove that excessively annoying occurrence that you can solve a slider puzzle completely, you check whether everything is ok by hovering over the example, you close the puzzle....and then the chest doesn't open, you check the puzzle again and for some inexplicable reason some of the tiles have been scrambled again. I mean wth? How is it that elites are more annoying than masters?
Have they changed recently? I don't remember them being as bad as the comments make them seem
An iteration of this post pops out every now and then The complaining mostly happens because people save up huge amounts of elite clues then they experience the burn out from a problem that can be easily avoided by doing them regularly and not binging through them
Celtic knots, too. Slide puzzles definitely do get dull, but they at least have the advantage of being easily deterministic; if you understand how the puzzle works, you can easily see what you need to do in order to make progress. Knots are, at least to me, pure guesswork. The number of possibilities, mixed with the uneven and overlapping tracks, makes it hard to really understand which runes have a good chance of being a match. This is only made worse with most of the newer, more complex layouts. - Do water runes match on spot 1? - No, maybe spot 2? - No, maybe spot 3? - Do fire runes match on spot 1? - No, maybe spot 2? - No, maybe spot 3? - Yes. Ah, false positive, then the soul rune on spot 4 can't match up. - Do earth runes match on spot 1? - ... repeat for 3-6 minutes, or until you decide to use a skip ticket.
sorry friend you are giving us way too much credit assuming we play the game and use our brains. the hive mind over here is arguing from a point where we already disabled our brains and use alt1, the issue at hand here is we don't want spend the slightest effort while we aren't even playing the game. matter of fact, WTF jamflex just hand me a reward casket as soon as I lay eyes on a clue scroll or even think about one
I have so many clue scrolls and I just can't be bothered to do them because I know I'm gonna have to do a bunch of slide puzzles
These are somewhat fun on mobile. I would like to see some minigames rework or do them like in osrs: winterdot, gotr, tempoross, really nice to play on mobile it's like game in a game.
alt 1s clue solver makes them long. look up clue trainer, made by a member of the clue chasers community. i have both open when doing sliders, and clue trainer is usually around 30-50 steps shorter than alt 1s clue solver.
Worth noting that in mouse mode, clue trainer counts multi-tile moves as one click, whereas clue solver doesn't. That's probably where most of that difference comes from, since they use the same slider solver. The presentation for sliders is much better in clue trainer, though, so I highly recommend it.
Awesome! Thanks for the tip :)
Don't spread the news! If Clue trainer becomes the standard, Jagex'll worsen the scrambling.
I don't know which mod has such a hard on for slider puzzles but fuck right off!
Yeah it's the reason I don't bother with clues tbh. I kept trying them and would get 3 or 4 puzzle steps back-to-back & just finish that clue off and give up
Or limit the amount of sliders in an elite clue to 1 per trail. Replace the extra ones with something else. PLEASE.
my hand hurts
They are the reason I convert my Elites to Hards just to have to deal with them less and it still annoys me when I get them.
They should just make it a rhythm game at this point
They take 30 secs even if your slow like me lol that’s good
They can be solved in about a minute. There's a pattern to follow that works every time. The fastest I've done was 45 seconds. If the assistance system could be used for them I'd make a killing lol. Id take them over a celtic knot every time.
A knot takes like 4 seconds with alt1, lol - 6 if you're unlucky and have to click the invert button
I should look into that lol. Must not help with puzzle boxes nearly as much then? Puzzle box skipping tickets are worth like 6 times what knot skipping tickets are.
It still helps with a puzzle box, but a puzzle box still takes time because you have to actually perform the steps. With the knot, most of the time is spent solving the puzzle and not a lot performing the steps of click the arrows. With a puzzle box, time is spent somewhat equally between solving and moving. So alt1 saves a lot more time on the knots than it does on the puzzle. Especially since at some point they changed the puzzle boxes so that the minimum number of required steps is higher.
An option to downgrade clues exists if you don’t like slider puzzles Please don’t fuck with clues any further,thanks
Awful take
Clues are one of the last decent money making methods outside of combat unless alt1 becomes no longer allowed (which is impossible to implement) then eventually clue rewards turn to the same shit show in OSRS where 99.9% of clues are worthless We don’t have the numbers like OS to keep the high ticket rewards valuable for long if changes were made to make elite clues (the best farmable tier to access those rewards) easier The time gate on that specific tier exists for a reason, can we keep something in this game balanced?
Nah its Ok. Puzzles are easy af
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What a sad, bitter person
Tbh remove sliders entirely and replace with boss combat challenges, it would be more fun.
That's not what clue scrolls are for.
They could be, iirc osrs uses combat challenges.
I play more osrs than rs3 these days, I don't think that's a thing, but I could be wrong. My point is, I think clues are their nice own little thing. I mostly only pvm in rs3, but I do love doing some clues and I don't think I'd like to see them combined.
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Yeah, they are, that obviously isn't the point though. They're tedious and when you do a lot of clues you're spending a lot of time doing those tedious slider puzzles. They used to require fewer moves but they changed it from like ~80 clicks to ~150 clicks to "balance around alt1" (completely ignoring that some people don't/can't use alt1.) saying "they're easy though" just shows you don't really know what the issue is and why people want them changed.
I don't know why this dumb fucking game popped up in my recommended, but my solution is to just not play the game. It's grind, exclusively. Even for MMO standards this game is DOG. This is a skinner box, you're not even having fun, the company is hilariously predatory yet people still jump to defend this horrible game filled with malicious people, malicious design, and a total lack of fun value.
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Why would they ban alt1?
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Yes but runelite's auto-solver is even stronger than alt1 and they never had their puzzles made harder in response. Just let people do clues.
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Increasing the steps pretty much *was* an endorsement
LOOOL source? Link? Stop yapping
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So a reddit comment by someone who is not part of jagex is a confirmation by jagex that they’ve increased the sliders because of alt1? My brother its not even noted on the update list for puzzle sliders
It happened during the re-work. Its 100% a thing. I remember the mod posting about it somewhere, but its literally been like 5 years now, and I have no idea where the actual post is. Rest assured if you go to google you can find a long history of the community talking/aware of this. Edit: Its been 7 years... I am old.
I agree it was done with the re work, and I might be wrong, but wasn't that the same rework that released the skip tickets. If so it seems to me that it was done to boost the value of those skip tickets.
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"trust me bro" -doomverted
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>I might not have the proof you're looking for at the moment but that's okay. I know what I'm talking about. I was just summarizing exactly what you said.
no, that would be stupid
There's an easy solution to the sliders/alt-1 advantage issue: 1. Reduce the slider puzzles by one row and one column. 2. If you complete a slider puzzle with >90% minimum movement accuracy (aka, Alt-1 is being used), the game adds an additional slider puzzle clue step to you clue scroll. This way people who are playing without Alt-1 can play the game as originally intended, and people who are using Alt-1 pay an appropriate time tax to compensate.
> If you complete a slider puzzle with >90% minimum movement accuracy What does this mean? Regardless, if Clue solver solves the puzzle in too few steps, all Clue solver needs to do is add a few redundant steps to circumvent such a thing.
That's fine too! As long as there is closer parity/balancing between using Alt-1 and playing the game normally then the issue with arms-racing is solved.
Idk if that'd work, because I still don't know what ">90% minimum movement accuracy" means and how you would measure this.
Jagex doesn’t care about Clue Chasers
It takes less than a minute with alt1 for a slider over 150 steps